Mars in pisces- lack of control?

Ive studied this placement long and large and i think this is the bottom line. I would like to hear from other m-p's...
Do you have trouble keeping a clean appearance after 30? getting up early and looking fresh? And i meant control in a large sense...not just the physical.

my Aries ex has Venus and Mars in Pisces. will have to agree with you.
also, scary sex life. To this day I hope and pray it;s not because of the Pisces placement

I'm Mars in pisces, and I've ALWAYS had trouble getting up early and looking (or feeling) fresh.... Piscean lazybones...! There are various things I understand from the Mars in Pisces placement, but central to the sense I have of it is 'self-undoing'. Also lack of control, indecision, my (often bewildering) inability to take action in the world. I read one analysis of the placement that said 'you will have to fight a life-long battle against your tendency to be easily discouraged', which hit home with me. When I discovered that I had this placement, it made sense to me - it explained my inability to stand up for myself (as a child, particularly), and the way I feel about reality and my impact (or lack of) on it, as well as how extremely changeable and malleable I am in my drives. Not sure if this makes sense - it's early and I've just rolled out of bed 😄

I'm unsure of the deeper meaning you imply with 'control in a larger sense - not just the physical'. Do you mean self-control, or control over your life, your emotions, or what? ...

I agree with all above.

I feel like I'm weak now, but I will come out stronger than ever later on, thanks to the life lessons I learn thanks to this.
It also seems like the fact that I lack control makes me react very strongly to people trying to "control" me, even in the slightest bit, because I want have control myself.

Yeah icepisces, youre spot on. I feel the same way, everything you said. Thats exactly what i mean by lack of control. You cant control your Life, you cant control your anger, you never learned how to control other people, you cant control your job or work situation, cant control your reputation, its funny how much of a loser i am 🙂 lol. And i blame the pisces element...im just a dreamer, an eternal, timeless fool who still loves life and music and surfing... but wishes i had more in my life, a good gf, job, money, better holidays...but i never acheive anything...lol

Afterall : Im 35 and i don think il ever come back stronger...i feel like this is it. I am Jack's waste of life.

I relate to what you say, risesafterall, about resisting control from others/outside. But again, my response to this is often indirect - i slip throught the net 🙂

I think 'indirect' is a key theme with mars in pisces.

This makes me sad, grayid2 (gray i.d.?) It's really easy to feel like a loser, in the worldly sense, with this placement - or just as a pisces in general, I reckon... And easy to start wanting those very obvious career/relationship/financial things that would make life easier or more pleasant once you hit your 30s (but do you really want them?). But I don't believe you are a loser. I believe in the dreamer. And I also think that when one has the sense of being back in the same space (mentally, emotionally, spiritually, physically) with no development (very depressing!) it's partly an illusion, because the deeper lessons and evolutions have been going on all along. I think that risesafterall is onto something with the idea that they will be stronger in the end... Why would anyone want to have control over anybody else? I've always struggled with the fact that I don't actually want to do things the way others do them, yet can't see how to prosper by following my own vision. Probably the reason it is hard work is to push us to take the hard, honest route rather than the cowardly one. Mars is a very powerful energy, after all, and that amount of power manifested through pisces is just as strong as it would be in a more direct, action-oriented sign, just differently mediated.
Pisces power!!
Pisces power!!

'and I don't ever think I'll come back stronger' - when you realise that your very weakness is your strength, you will. 🙂

^erm, not the smiley I intended!

also don't know why my last line was repeated. Can probably rule control over computers out of mars in pisces traits 🙂

Also, for anyone partaking in this discussion, which house does mars in pisces fall in for you? I have Mars and Venus (both in pisces) conjunct in 8th house.

Grayid...I have no idea, a friend made this account...i didnt ask what it meant.

Lol the smiley...🙂

How old are you? Now that im 35 i realise life is just a random cycle. The new kids think theyre the only humans that exist, and every year theres new ones! It just goes round in circles and basically your next meeting is just death. Thats what people do. They grow older and die. Theres no comeback like the dark knight, There are No heroics, theres just fading away 🙂 i dont say this with emotion its just simple fact.
I believe in preserving one self though, im sexually abstinent, i only drink water, i hope it will preserve my youth, it kind of sparks my interest, to see how good or bad i'll rot...lol

My venus in aqua, mars in pisces, and sun in aries are ALL in 8th house...i have a huge 8th house, pluto will spend the next 50 years there...

Grayid2 - Was hoping my prev msgs didn't sound too pollyanna-ish, as I can understand what you're saying, and in a way I agree. Just made me sad to hear you calling yourself a loser. Also hadn't realised you're not pisces sun. You do sound a bit depressed, though. I mean, we live, we die, life's short, etc etc - is any of that a bad thing?

I'm (newly) 32. (Aaargh!)

Very interesting 8th house. Have you read up on these placements?

Well i mentioned that Its not a bad thing...surprised you didnt see it. And Im not depressed, im just actually a loser. If you cant be a loser then why does the word even exist? It's just a trick to keep the hamsters running on the wheel is it? Well i dont run. I stop, and analyse. Thats how you get anywhere in life.
32 hey...times gonna pass by really fast now 🙂

Yeah i studied it, of course...its a nightmare...
"The suffering experienced by 8th House people, is always at the hands of people with whom they have a close personal relationship, and although there may be physical cruelty also, it is at the emotional level that the pain is registered. The pain is nearly always that of rejection and the knowledge that the intensity of their feelings is neither understood nor valued.

People with this placement of the Sun tend to experience the transforming energy of Pluto, the ruling planet of this house, as a force used by others against them. They do not readily use it themselves even in retaliation. People born with the Sun in the 8th House are usually born to parents unable to or unwilling to recognise the child's needs. Usually they have problems of their own and expect the child to be supportive and understanding."

Posted by icepisces
Also, for anyone partaking in this discussion, which house does mars in pisces fall in for you? I have Mars and Venus (both in pisces) conjunct in 8th house.

4th. Can't get worse. 😄

By the way what you said about reacting "indirectly".. I do that too: Escaping / ignoring. Which leaves people puzzled

Posted by icepisces
I think that risesafterall is onto something with the idea that they will be stronger in the end... Why would anyone want to have control over anybody else? I've always struggled with the fact that I don't actually want to do things the way others do them, yet can't see how to prosper by following my own vision.

Absolutely not what I meant. I mean strong in a personal way: Being able to control yourself, your emotions, being organized, getting rid of the escaping habit (which makes working with others easier too), accepting others, learning to keep going. "Rising after all".

I just went jogging (Weird example indeed) and I notice how the thought of "Alright, it's okay now, time to sit down and chill and enjoy the moment." keeps coming back. Typical pisces mars thing I guess. But changing that thought into "I will keep going and I can do it" (at the same time making yourself stronger) feels beautiful.

What you say about not wanting to do things the way others do them is also something I deal with a lot, I want to find my own way of doing it and become strong in that instead of just not doing it.

It begins with self reflection. 😄
Just my thoughts.

Mars in Pisces here. Cannot relate to anything here.

Wow grayid2, so if I get this right you've got 3 signs in the 8th?! Can you show your chart?

I hate to hear that you don't feel that you can turn out stronger... I know enough people who were in the deepest holes of life who are now very positive. Including my dad, I think in his early 30s he became conscious (he read some books) and now he's so happy that material doesn't even matter anymore. Now that's the true meaning of "success" for me.
Every human being has a shining light, that's why I feel so bad for not being able to help my uncle because he's just too insane.

I also had moments where I thought my life was too heavy to hold, too much to work on at the same time. My life is filled with peaks and deep valleys, but positivity always wins. Those peaks and valleys are probably because I'm very sensitive and that's the reason why sensitivity isn't a good thing to me. Especially dealing with this "system" we're in.

Absolutely not what I meant. I mean strong in a personal way: Being able to control yourself, your emotions, being organized, getting rid of the escaping habit (which makes working with others easier too), accepting others, learning to keep going. "Rising after all". - got this, TOTALLY agree.

I conflated my thoughts a little - I meant 'stronger in the end' through not having gone the route of trying to have control over others/wield power in a negative sense. True strength thru reflection, sense of knowing who you are, etc etc.

peace!

In my greyer moments, I tend to feel that what I am experiencing is the truth, how I am born to be: inescapably derelict, crap, not lifting a hand to save myself (not inspired with the energy to do so, nor feeling that there is anything to save). Because those moments are stretched across time, like beads on a string, and have the same emotional reality, being in a dull state means I seem to inhabit all of those moments simultaneously, and their continuity across time is overwhelming. I'm not at all in such a mood now, so i'm sharing this 'cold', the point being that even though that feeling comes to me with an appearance of objective truth, what I must resign myself to, it is actually only a fragment of truth - one angle, one pathway, one of many strings. I quite genuinely believe 'stronger in the end', especially for those who have had a lot to deal with early on in life.

grayid, I'm guessing that you quoted info. you found pertinent to your own experiences - in which case: sheesh! I'm sorry! But, as with anything else, there must be light and dark interwoven... the 8th is the house of regeneration, after all.

Interesting that someone with sun, mars and venus in the 8th is sexually abstinent. it makes a funny kind of sense.

Beautiful description. Nothing to add.

Mars in Pisces gives energy that is sympathetic, receptive, affectionate, and sensitive to imposition. One usually dislikes conflict or violence and desires to make peace and help others. Energy is emotional, adaptable, sensitive, sacrificing, sorrowful, and often diffused. One desires to overcome troubles, misfortunes and may be quite charitable as well as imaginative, poetic, and artistic with tendency to want to escape into a dream world.

Nice, succinct description by mr. internet.^

And the same topic on yahoo answers:

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index;_ylt=A7x9UnL4tfxUqRsAy513Bwx.;_ylu=X3oDMTByZWJ1c203BHNlYwNzcgRwb3MDMgRjb2xvA2lyMgR2dGlkAw--?qid=20080324033515AA3e0Ds

Maybe it's not your pisces moon, maybe it's just you who is a loser?

Very necessary Hydorah! Nice!

People here (probably) have a life outside of astrology, you're not the only one who knows it isn't the blame for everything. I know very well that it's stupid to blame astrology, the fact that we find it interesting to link it to peoples characteristics doesn't mean we don't view or solve things the right way instead of blaming astrology outside of this forum. There's no need for a reality police here.

And if that's not your intention; there's no need for someone who vents his anger on other people. The boxing ring is though.

Also, I wasn't going to comment because it seemed unnecessary, but here's my 2cents: any given placement in a person's chart is a constituent part of them. That's why we're discussing it. So it's not as though one is blaming something outside oneself! It's more a question of dissecting the whole to examine the parts.

Or mebbes you were giving us weak and weary mars-in-pisces types a valuable exercise in standing up for ourselves? I tip my hat to you. 😄

Lol! He actually might be some prophet.

I've got to think more outside of the box.

Obviously the problem has more to do with the 3 personal planets in the 8th rather than just mars in pisces. I attribute the lack of discipline to m-p but my problem seems way deeper like i mentioned.

Not sure you want it but the info i found was at dkfoundation.com, it rings really true for me, anyway.

And saturn is transiting square my natal sat right now, so it may be why im so dark ...

Posted by icepisces
grayid,
Interesting that someone with sun, mars and venus in the 8th is sexually abstinent. it makes a funny kind of sense.

Yeah Scorpios(and 8th housers) can go either way...abstinence is a way of getting more intense pleasure, it takes discipline and a dose of masochism which is right up their alley.

Posted by aquasnoz
Mars in Pisces here. Cannot relate to anything here.

What's the experince like for you? And which house, where's your sun and venus?...
wait...moon and venus in pisces too...in 5th. maybe less intense and more playful, it serves your leasure and creativity.

Posted by grayid2

Posted by aquasnoz
Mars in Pisces here. Cannot relate to anything here.

What's the experince like for you? And which house, where's your sun and venus?...
wait...moon and venus in pisces too...in 5th. maybe less intense and more playful, it serves your leasure and creativity.

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Similar but different. Hard to explain.

Upkeep of appearance is a must for me even as I head into my 30s it's more important now for me to look fresh when I wake up. I'm find it much easier to wake up, staying awake and being active more so than my teens. I did have my blue periods for sure but from that, if any lesson's to be learnt, is that I'm in control and I take charge of how I want to live and be perceived.

Hard to say really, I'm generally lead a very active lifestyle due to work commitments, given my career choices there's a need to be neat, presentable and passionate.

Posted by grayid2
Ive studied this placement long and large and i think this is the bottom line. I would like to hear from other m-p's...
Do you have trouble keeping a clean appearance after 30? getting up early and looking fresh? And i meant control in a large sense...not just the physical.

So you're blaming an astrological element as the reason why you're a disgusting bum?..nah, sounds like a personal problem & the way you was raised

Im pisces mars... lack of self control... normally totally the opposite... but i've notice some times when I love someone I love them without bounderies... is not good... I end up burned..

Posted by aquasnoz
Mars in Pisces here. Cannot relate to anything here.

Same here. I have mine in my 6th house and mars the only planet I have positioned in pisces. I actually came to the pisces forum to try and understand/relate to my mars in pisces. I haven't been able to find any description of mars in pisces that I can relate to my person, so I thought, maybe I have been looking in the wrong places? So: Does anyone of you have a link or other reference material to information on the subject that you feel is to the point and valid?

Posted by fullwaterpisces
Im pisces mars... lack of self control... normally totally the opposite... but i've notice some times when I love someone I love them without bounderies... is not good... I end up burned..

Oh wait! I can relate to this. 🙂

Posted by grayid2
Yeah icepisces, youre spot on. I feel the same way, everything you said. Thats exactly what i mean by lack of control. You cant control your Life, you cant control your anger, you never learned how to control other people, you cant control your job or work situation, cant control your reputation...

No one can control those things.


Life will throw things at you that you never see coming.

You never know what will make you angry-- but there's nothing

wrong with anger-- it's how you handle it.


And forget controlling others (that's wrong, anyway) or their

opinion of you.


The only thing we can control is ourselves, and our

responses to (and *perception* of) those situations.



Soo... you're way ahead of the game-- work on your

perception, instead.



🙂

Of course ppl can control these things...look at you with your Pisces moon hahaha what would you know about it? no offense...
🙂

Posted by aquasnoz
Mars in Pisces here. Cannot relate to anything here.

Cap Mercury + Pisces Mars -> chaotically organized. yah or nah?

Posted by DwellingOnMove

Posted by aquasnoz
Mars in Pisces here. Cannot relate to anything here.

Cap Mercury + Pisces Mars -> chaotically organized. yah or nah?

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Well I like to think I have plans... just this one plan has a lot of different endings.

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Posted by aquasnoz
Mars in Pisces here. Cannot relate to anything here.

Cap Mercury + Pisces Mars -> chaotically organized. yah or nah?

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Nah.