Strange Pisces male please help

okay so my good friend who is a Leo is sort of been seeing a pisces man. she cant work him out though? at the begining he texted her flat out, now hes a bit more offish..my friend isnt clingy at all.. she has just acted chilled out when he stopped texting as much.. they have been catching up a bit but he seams to have a very dry sense of humour and sometimes he can actually be quite rude? & we cant work out of its just his humour or if hes actually being rude. my friend is absolutely stunning, and he is really attractive aswell, he's a well known sports person aswell thought and can be quite cocky.. she is getting mixed signals from him and cant work out if he likes her or not.. here is his chart someone please help 🙂

Sun Pisces 11.58
Moon Libra 10.49
Mercury Pisces 12.49
Venus Aries 10.41
Mars Gemini 14.37
Jupiter Leo 4.44 R
Saturn Aquarius 2.39
Uranus Capricorn 12.55
Neptune Capricorn 16.11
Pluto Scorpio 20.22 R
Lilith Sagittarius 23.55
Asc node Capricorn 27.25

His moon is opposite his Venus, so who he may find emotionally appealing may not be the same type of person he sees as his ideal mate. Furthermore, he has Venus in Aries which causes him to spontaneously start relationships without providing the staying power, and his Mars in Gemini (one of the flightiest sings) isn't helping the situation, especially if he doesn't find her to be intellectually stimulating as that is what Mars in Gemini seeks. He doesn't have any strong connections to his Saturn in Aquarius so he doesn't have the stable backbone that is necessary for Pisces.

Also, Leo and Pisces are quincunx to each other, a strong attraction is described, but there is also a lot of problems in the relationship. If your friend is a Cancer-Leo cusp Leo (July 19-25) her Sun will be at a harsh aspect to his Saturn. It is a binding tie, but it will be laced with a lot of difficulties on her part as his insecurities will cause him to constantly put her down out of fear of her "growing apart" from him. If she is a second decan Leo (August 3-10) a stormy and drama filled relationship can be expected as her sun is at a close quincunx to his Sun (self) and Mercury (communication), and since her Sun will be at a harsh aspect to his mercury, communication may be very difficult. I can't really give you much more information than this as I don't know the details of her chart, and the time of birth is really necessary for proper synastry readings.

I don't know any about him other than the chart information that you have provided, but I would highly recommend that you make sure your friend goes into this relationship cautiously. The information I am going to tell you next may be way off base in regards to him, but as someone that has studied astrology for many years and have observed it amongst people in my own life, I think the information is warranted. For starters, Pisces, the men in general, aren't noted for their fidelity to say the least. In fact, a recent study showed that Pisces men are the most likely to stray/cheat. http://www.femalefirst.co.uk/relationships/pisces-most-likely-to-cheat-284400.html Also, there are three natal aspects that are noted for causing one to have tendencies of infidelity: moon to a harsh aspect to Venus (his moon is opposite his Venus), Uranus in harsh aspect to Venus (his Uranus squares his Venus), and Neptune in harsh aspect to Venus (his Neptune squares his Venus).

These aspects are notable because Venus/Moo

These aspects are notable because Venus/Moon causes one to be attracted to someone physically that they aren't emotionally compatible with causing them to "need" to partners, one for physical affection and another for emotional. Venus/Uranus causes one to easily become bored and constantly seek something "new". Moon/Neptune causes one to idealize relationships, constantly searching for their soul-mate and that perfect relationship that doesn't exist. They constantly believe that the "grass is greener on the other side". Again, I may be way off-base but I have noticed this pattern time and time again amongst myself and others that I know with any of these aspects, and I'm obviously not the only astrologer to notice this pattern: http://astrolady.wix.com/astrolady#!infidelity-in-the-natal-chart/c8ye

Also, take into consideration that he is a Pisces, a second decan Pisces to be exact (march 3-10, I'm March 5th). Our birth week isn't called the "week of the loner" for nothing. We need space to ourselves on occasion, and we are moody. I hope this helped.

Also, to the first reviewer, the chart she posted said is ascendant node (aka north node, as in nodes of the moon) is in Capricorn, it doesn't even mention his Ascendant.

Hi Daydreamer,

Thanks for your helpful advice. I'm the leo friend 🙂 my birthday is August 19th and heres my chart. I'm not sure about this guy but if you could share your thoughts after looking at my chart that would be great



Sun Leo 25.52
Moon Leo 7.43
Mercury Virgo 21.45
Venus Leo 6.20
Mars Taurus 23.25
Jupiter Leo 0.10
Saturn Capricorn 19.40 R
Uranus Capricorn 5.53 R
Neptune Capricorn 12.08 R
Pluto Scorpio 15.09
Lilith Sagittarius 2.05
Asc node Aquarius 7.17

I have a coworker with the same placements (second decan Pisces sun, Aries Venus, Gemini Mars), also an air Moon (Aqua in his case). He is married, but started flirting with me in a subtle and sweet way. It continued a year, we saw each other only due to work and very seldom because we work in different buildings. We got closer (as friends) on a trip where he confessed me his feelings in an indirect way. After this year a flirting I has also developed feelings for him.

After the trip he started avoiding me and has avoided ever since. We have been in some work parties together and have even talked. He says that he is in an unhappy marriage. I had told him about my feelings before, but he denies everything... also the flirt from his part, even though he came on really strong.

Now the situation is kind of awkward because due to work we will see each other more next year.
He has a boyish charm (Gemini mars) and a way with words that makes him very funny. His Aries Venus makes him very masculine that combined to Pisces spirituality is captivating... Air moon adds the ability to distance. He has Saturn square Venus and Cappy Saturn though that grounds him a bit.
My personal impression about my coworker is that he is not a player... playful and a bit childish, yes. But yeah, these placements make a Fish very charming.

Ok, so I managed to create a synastry chart for the two of you by guessing your birth dates by using your Pluto and Lilith placements. You: August 19, 1990, and Him: March 2, 1991, if these dates aren't correct disregard everything below. I am not going to use any moon or ascendant placements as your exact time of births are needed.

First, your Venus is opposed to his Saturn. This aspect causes you (Venus) to feel hesitant about showing affection to him (Saturn). He acts as a restrictive force towards you causing you to censor your affection. Your censorship and his insecurities causes you two to spend a lot of time "testing the waters", as both of you fear rejection/getting hurt. In the long run, this relationship may cause the two of you to have a strongly bonded, but dry relationship as you constantly censor your affection for fear of being regarded as "clingy".

Your Venus is conjunct his Jupiter. This aspect basically means that you two enjoy spending time together and that you may go overboard in trying to please and appease each other. This aspect can also negate a superficial relationship as it can be all about having fun. You two may avoid discussing problems within the relationship out of fear of "rocking the boat".

Your Mars (sexual energy) is opposite his Pluto (higher octave of Mars basically) and His Mars is quincunx your Pluto. A Mars/Pluto hard aspect double whammy (it goes both ways) means that power struggles, manipulation, and jealousy is highly likely as the relationship progresses even if you aren't like that on your own. On the bright side however, it denotes a ridiculously high sexual chemistry.

The most important aspect that I see between the two of you that may explain what is going on is His Venus squares your Neptune. This aspect is synastry means the the Venus person (him) idealizes the Neptune person (you). You as Neptune may sense his idealized views of you and try to live up to them, but over time you will begin to feel tiresome of having to be on his pedestal and may start stop trying to be his idealized you and be yourself. He as Venus will wonder what the heck happened and start to fear that you can't be trusted. He will go back and forth be trusting and not trusting you. I find this aspect between the two of you to be the most important because he has this aspect, Venus square Neptune in his natal chart as I mentioned above.

He may be acting cocky and rude towards you/around you because he may be afraid tha

that he is falling to deep and is pulling away, acting macho to counteract his more emasculine "mushy-gushy" behavior. Lilith represents the type of woman a man fears in their natal chart, and your sun is a close trine to that. Basically, he sees you as a sort of femme fatale, a mysterious, seductive and independent woman even if you aren't of that nature. You bring out all of his insecurities and fears and it is causing him to push away a bit. This is just my .02 however.

Eglantine, wow that does sound like an awkward situation!
I'm only new to looking into astrology, so I'm still very new with it all but It sounds like your coworker has a very similar personality to the guy that I'm seeing! He doesnt come across to me as a player type of guy, although he has a cheekiness about him. He is very funny but in a sarcastic way and sometimes i take his comments personal.

To begin with he was extremely needy towards me. Was texting and calling me all the time, asking me out on dates and even showed up on my door uninvited which i liked. I never really showed much emotion towards him though. Didnt really give him much of a hint that i liked him, although i always flirted back with him, etc. The last couple of weeks he just hasnt been as full on as he was to begin with and has been a lot colder towards me. Ive backed off and i find that when i dont talk to him for the day he always will but then go back to being short with me.

He is a footballer, so he doesnt go out very often. He invited me over his house to play monopoly with his friends 2 weeks ago and then the next day announced to all his friends that games night was going to be at my house the following week. All of his friends came over and played picturnary and we were paired in the same team. He was sort of being really sarcastic towards me all night. Wasnt warm towards me at all but kissed me goodnight at the end of the night. Ive been continuing to talk to him since. We're playing mini golf together tomorrow (i initiated the catch up), but hes still so cold and distant towards me. Its so bizarre.

Im not an idiot girl, i know when a guy isnt interested in me and i would back off if i didnt think he was. We have a good connection and its only been a couple of months that we've been seeing each other. I just dont know if its worth sticking to it or if i should just give him the space and let him come to me.. Im getting over making all the effort

Daydreamer35,

A lot of that makes a lot of sense to me!!!
I have been backing away from him because i want him to come to me but i think he is doing the same thing. I've been hesitant to show affection towards him from the start, infact on our first date he wanted to kiss me but i was so overwhelmed that i left before he had the chance.

I dont want to be clingy at all towards him because hes quite good looking and hes a footballer so i feel like hes quiet confident and has a lot of girls after him. I've never been the type of woman to bow down to a man for his job or appearance so im trying to be more mysterious, and i guess slightly cold back towards him so he doesnt think im just like every other girl.

Do you think its worth sticking it out with him? And if so, what now? should i go to him or pull away and let him come to me

Daydreamer, thanks so much for your messages! I actually cant believe how spot on it is 🙂

I've always believed that you want get what you need out of life if you don't take risks. Just be yourself, and don't be so hesitant. We Pisces have a tendency to mirror other people's behavior. I think he can feel that you're pulling away so he is pulling away as well so that he doesn't look like the clingy one. I think it is worth sticking out because the synastry you have is a great foundation for a relationship, you just have to get it off of the ground. I recommend going to him just enough to let him know that you are interested and won't reject him if he comes to you.

I am glad that I have been helpful, and I hope everything works out for the best.

*To Clueless and Guiwater, thank you 🙂

Daydreamer... THANK YOU. I am going through something similar with my Pisces and I am also a Leo.
Leolion... I feel your pain girl. 😢 I hope your situation turns out for the better, with or without him.