That's my official resignation

I'm leaving this forum for my own good. I thank everyone who loved and hated me here, but I got to my limits.

Good bye.

(This is not a joke)

You're 5 days late!

Haffo, you will be surly missed .. I've always enjoyed talking to you and you've brought some really insightful epiphanies to us .. thanks, mate.

I'm sure everyone in your future will feel blessed to have you as a friend.
I wish you well, success and happiness.

Hugs & kisses 🙂

Take care, Haffo..'best of luck, health & happiness, wherever life takes you..ss~

This just proves what Drama Queens Pisces's are.

later holmes...

bye bye 🙂

Don't go man..........who is Q-bone gonna "spar" with now??:-)......change your mind...minds are for changing and come back.....😉 - you heart-breaker you.

Alana x

I'm concerned about his parting words .. they suggest that somebody said, or did something to make him reach his limits .. sparring with the Virgo's wasn't it and sometimes that got pretty intense, having notso chase him around to needle him constantly didn't do it .. what did?

For his own good .. because he has limits?

It's like there's no closure because I know that something happened and there isn't any resolution .. just swimming away.

It really bothers me .. it doesn't sound like he wanted to go, rather, felt compelled to escape something and it's upsetting.

Love always to you Haffo, if you're still here, just to lurk .. 🙂

wow, P-Angel, piscean minds do think alike, i was wondering along those same lines. i truly hope haffo finds his peace, and always knows he is welcome back anytime, if he ever chooses ..*good-luck again, haffo..! 🙂

What? Does this means that the Virgo Civil War you led is finally over—

Yes I do lurk. For now.

But I also do what I wanted to do. Staying away from forums seems to be working.

The reason for why I left this place is quite complicated. Basicly I fed up supporting people who ended up betraying on me. I'm making a major change in people I know. I just kick them away. Most of them are practically useless people and no mentioning about them betraying me. Yes people are cruel. But nobody know how cruel I can be.

This rock either takes me or I will take it.

Good Luck

Aww come on Haffo...you know you can't stay away.

Don't leave us.

Does this means that the Virgo Civil War you led is finally over—

Come again? A war between Virgos is impossible!

I have to do it Virgo102.

Aww that is what I thought to when I left before.

Fine...take a break and then come back. I promise you that the people who have done you wrong will be gone. Well...most of them.

I have a question.....

When someone says, "people who have done you wrong" do you really think those people did do your wrong or perhaps it may be YOUR thoughts that think they did you wrong?

What would your relationships be like without that thought that "they did you wrong?"

Hi Haffo....

Ah...you know as well as I do and everyone around here that nothing is permanent....come and go as you desire. This is everyone's home and each person is free to pull up a chair, grab a cup of coffee, tea, beer, wine, whatever and have a sit...chat awhile and then move on.

Just like us birdies....we fly, we land - enjoy our moments and then fly again to enjoy more moments.

Glad to see you here 😉

Freebird

We are what we think. If we neglect this, then we neglect ourselves. What is the ultimate truth? I dont know. Do you know what it is? If yes, then tell me.

Opposing to our thought just because they are "thoughts" unfortunately is same with neglecting ourselves. Understanding is a need, not different approach.

And about the ultimate truth...

It's still a thought. Yes, the ultimate truth is still a thought. Then how you can tell the difference between ultimate one and not ultimate one...You cant....But leaving things just like they are because we are unsure about what it should look like is not a solution either.

Do you remember what you yourself said? It's better to allow a person to learn it themselves rather than explain this all to them. This is what gonna happen.

Perhaps by then, we all could be more understanding..

Okay....Haffo, let's do this.

Give me a statement of how you believe me to be - (what you think of me)

There might be some things that I think wrong about you. I get that point.

But still, understanding requries much more than just words.

Understanding requires experience. A lived experience. You can transfer that by words.

cant*

"It's better to allow a person to learn it themselves rather than explain this all to them."

Actually, Haffo .. I don't believe to be entirely true. A person does, indeed, have to learn things on their own, however, a voice of wisdom whispering in their other ear gives them a basis in which to compare. If a person completely screws up, yet, NEVER hears, or sees a different path before them .. they will continue to fall in the same spot over and over again.

P-Angel

No matter how much wisdom you will tell a person, that person will take only what he/she can take and understand. Nothing more.

What defines "what he/she can take" is the experience level of that person.

Haffo, I can't tell you how many times I have disregarded another and went about my way to learn or experience for myself .. only to look back and think, "They were right". Did I listen at the time? NO .. but, when things failed me, I had those wise words to fall back on and it cleared a path for me to push forward.

If we all did what you say .. then we would teach our children nothing. They NEVER listen at the time .. they do in hindsight ..

.. we don't know we're broken until we fall. Once fallen, it's the words of wisedom offered to us by others in which we use to pick ourselves back up.

"Yes, the ultimate truth is still a thought."

The truth is whatever is in front of you, whatever is really happening. Whether you like it or not, Bob is late. "He shouldn't be late" is just a thought. In reality, there is no such thing as a "should" or a "shouldn't" These are only thoughts that we impose onto reality.

I understand P-Angel.

But it's a curse. My curse. If I realise that what I did was a mistake, I pay for it. I pay with solitude. I never come back to those people. This is my price and I know how to pay it. Think it as a way of life.

Are you Haffo by nature pessimistic?

How is that working for you?

Freebird

I understand. But just like we are, all other people are also though(s).

So the rules appear only then when we live among other humans. And we all obey them. The concept of "should" is a social requirement. And since our nature is ultimately vulnerable to what others think and do, we have to keep it up.

"Are you Haffo by nature pessimistic? "

I don't know what am I by nature. Unfortunately I'm no a psychologist to define what is what. But I can say this, it's difficult. But works. Hardly, but works.

P-Angel

A little question:

What would you do now if you face with a situation that you do not understand? Would you listen to others and do what they say?

Or would you do what you think you should do?

Oh let me answer that question for you: YOU WOULD DO EXACTLY WHAT YOU THINK YOU SHOULD DO.

And now the socking part: How that can happen?

Oh let me answer that question for you as well:

It's the way things always happen and should happen.

Ya know something?

The world is what it is...nothing more, nothing less. Where reality is concerned, there is no "what should be." There is only what is, just the way it is , right now.

You are able to choose by your thoughts.....how you desire to experience your world and isn't that just the COOLEST gift?

You are missing things here Freebird:

We are able to predict what people will do in future with "our thoughts". And sometimes we actually do predict. So, in if you want to live in "certain way" you should have "shoulds" there is no other way. You can think of no "shoulds" when all your primary "shoulds" are met. At that point nobody really will give a shit about what people think about them. I understand. But very few of us are in this. Very few of us can experience this "coolness". If there would be no shoulds then nobody would have problems. But this is not how our world is functioning. And we have shoulds. And we have to survive.

You're answer would be correct to the question .. a person does what they feel is best, but, how and why do people know or not know what is best?

Because we learn .. from others and from our mistakes. How do you know what's best if you've never learned anything? You don't.

What is it, Haffo .. what is the obstacle in your path?

"If there would be no shoulds then nobody would have problems. But this is not how our world is functioning. And we have shoulds. And we have to survive."

Haffo, I am the master at putting my foot in my mouth because there are certain expectations to adhere to in regards to appropriateness .. the "shoulds", or "should nots". But, I can't give up on people, on myself and you can't either .. we do have to survive in this world .. sulking is the Piscean way .. you'll pull through, you'll find your way to the top .. but, don't give up on other people .. some of them care.

I've heard DancingBread repeat a quote coined by Dr. Seuss in here and I live by it everyday.

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind."

Haffo....what is a "should?"

Hey PA....reading on another post - I heard you have/had an interview with a Hotel. Congrats!!!! I hope it goes or went well for you 🙂

A new experience coming your way——?

Yeah, FB .. this morning. I feel like it went well, however, talking to people is always hard for me to do .. my social skills aren't so good, lol

But, I think they were pretty impressed .. we'll have to wait and see. Thanks !!!

This is awesome for you PA!!!! An opportunity to bring out more of who you are. Ya-hoooooooo!

If you are up to it.....and you feel like doing some change - you can go in with a new perception of yourself. We are constantly changing - we do not stay the same unless we choose to.

"talking to people is always hard for me to do." Perhaps if you choose, you can say to yourself, "talking to people is easy for me to do." "my social skills aren't so good." to, "my social skills are improving day by day - I have great social skills!"

If they are impressed my friend, then they see what you have....now you gotta see it and be it! 😉

Best of luck to you!

"Haffo....what is a "should?""

Should is set of rules that protects us from others.

well, that is a very interesting way of looking at it.

So, does it work? are you protected from others?

"So, does it work? are you protected from others?"

Yes, for the most part.

"Yes, for the most part."

which part does not work?

"which part does not work?"

The relatives part.

hmmmm...it should work. What do you think it the problem?

Actually, the relative part is working Haffo - it is what it is. However, when a person puts a "should" on someones behaviour and does not accept it for what it is, then that person is in Pain.

Make sense?

"hmmmm...it should work. What do you think it the problem?"

The problem is that you "should" trust them more than to anyone else.

"However, when a person puts a "should" on someones behaviour and does not accept it for what it is, then that person is in Pain."

Yes. And that's the problem.

And that's not because this is something that you can change by changing what you think, but because life demands. Life demands you to protect yourself.