What the hell?

Okay~ Hi folks. I'm a male of the genum 'pisces' and why the "hell" do most of us sound like we "brag" about our "powers??" It's something that says to other people "Hey- I'm a jackass- with powers" Ya know?? The philosophy here is that sure- we have the "powa" but not the mental abilities to keep up with our constant; seemingly improving thought complex. I know I'm a very very spiritual person- and I've well considered myself a scientist. Agnostically speaking, I can't/or any other tell you what the deal is with the Piscean 'powers'...(I hate that word) it's more of a longing for belonging feeling for somewhere else. Our unique intentions are to "create" the loved environment by believing harder and harder...

And when something comes along such as a Libra female or another fire sign- our intimate feelings are torn down; hence destroying/making us forget our dreams due to lack of understanding the environment. So really, in this honest piscean's opinion- we are weak as "believers" at times and it tears us apart to grow up looking at the induvidual's lacking of success. This is why aloof emotions sets in; no one has the same dreams. No one. Unless the Piscean itself uses it's expirience and changes the world for themself with their own "belief".

I do believe anything's possible- and if you can bring it to reality by cognitive thought- bring it on.

Good luck fellow fishies. 😉

Yeppers Kylo - sounds like you got it goin on there! Our thoughts do create our destiny...be careful what you ask for - you might just get it - good or bad! Honestly, each person on this planet is a wonderful unique gift - we each have our place here and right now, we are meant to be here - this is our time.

A lot is happening in this time - we can choose to accept the lessons or excuse ourselves from them...but....! we do have the strength to overcome each obsticle if we "believe" that we do. Anything is possible...

Be bold and mighty forces will come to your aid!

"And when something comes along such as a Libra female or another fire sign- our intimate feelings are torn down;"

What point are you trying to make with the libra female...I am a libra female...just curious 🙂

Thanks!

"Libra female or another fire sign." Libra, Gemini and Aquarias are Air
Fire starters are: Aries, Sagitarius and Leo

Hello Kyolo. Welcome to the board.

That was an interesting topic. I do relate with that in most cases. As you see, concrete becomes stronger and stronger by influence of water in long time. The beleifs which you call weak are just signs that the concrete are not strong enough. When you speak up your beleifs then concrete will start taking water. Drop by drop. Well the rest you know already.

Sure.

My perception about things arent based on logic. I just know and predict things that can happen. I can't fully explain how this happens but it happens. Perhaps we have very good developed imagination and we simply learn things without naming it. The problem occurs when people ask to name them. This is difficult because we aren't learned to give them names in the first place. People start to think that you are immature etc because we can't name it (define it), but this is not true.

Speaking up our ideas gives us chance to start naming them. Thus concrete (belief) becomes named therefore powerful.

" My perception about things arent based on logic."

This is a bit wrong. Our learning is perfectly based on logic. We just have difficulities in defining the differences between ideas.

Naming them.

Arg. Difficult.

Here is one interesting part too.

Our learning process is extremly fast. And it works very strange. Once one part of the problem is being solved, then this part is totally removes from mind and only result stays. It happens so fast that in the writing it's very difficult to keep the thought flow stable. You need to be able to think previous parts of the idea to write them, but how could you do it when it's already deleted from your memory?

This is like the memory works in particular efficiency. Once an idea is done, it's being removed from memory and mind power is being freed for new ideas. The process is like write-delete-write-delete. There is only result storage. Everything in between become available to be stored when these parts are being spoken, written or expressed in any form. Because then we do not remember the process itself, we remember it name. We remind it to ourself by it name. Without giving it name and defining it, its pretty impossible to catch what flowing in the head.

"Logic is essential for human existence. Society, economics, inventions, and technology have strong logical foundation."

Add overpopulation and you have the biggest problems of mankind. 😄

"Mankind is not nearly overpopulated, but it could be a problem...It is necesary in African and South America to have many children, especially in increasingly poor cities and nations."

You're fucking depressing, unbelivable.

P A T H E T I C

It would be too depressing to explain to you why your attitude is making this place a shitty place to live in.

I will run now, go think about your idiotic comments and why they are idiotic, then you can apologize. I WAS HAVING A GREAT DAY, DAMMIT!!!

Meh, it wasn't that great.

It's BUTTERTY.

Now, for the first part of your text:

"Logic is subjective, but it is grounded per each case scenerio. The logic of calculus is not the same logic of algebra. In both cases they are situational, and must be taken into account.

This is where Pisces shot and miss, in my opinion. For example, any book on logic would have the Socrates: "I think therefore I am". Being able to adpat to some type of process or system is fairly logical. This is where the idea of emotions become euphoric in most cases."

Oh lets call them rules. I do base my beleifs on rules. Beleifs become acceptable only then when meaningful results are obtained by restraining basic logical thinking on those rules. I do not call them beleifs otherwise. I just dont care naming details while I pour my thoughts to result. It's just not easiy for me to define the differences between details for easier explaination.

"My best example could be an A.I. application. For an A.I application, an application must have a problem spaces. Obviously the problem space has a set objective. Like a problem space in chess has a different problem space in checkers, etc. Two different objectives are needed to be satisfied in accordance to a set amount of rules, or axioms that govern the system. This is where Pisces have failure seeing logic. They do not know the distintction of different proboems in issues, making them look somewhat weak and fragile in most cases."

This is all about how a person is aspected. I do not create my beleifs on topics that I dont know or don't know well. I ask first.

"Last but not least, I believe in the concept of antagonism. meaning something can't be gained if someting is not lost. You can't gain an appreciation for life unless the concept of death exist. You cannot understand the value of existence, unless there is an non-existence. You can't have light without darkness, or order without chaos. These are all logical constructions. When coming up with a moral code, negations must be measured. What things can you live without? What things do you hope to lose? And within a certain enviroment, what actions have the highest probablity of loss? This is all logical. It is about being efficient in any space. Do you understand that?"

This is what I call symmetry. Everything in this universe is symmetrical. Our learning process is also symmetrical. We cannot learn something without knowing it opposite. I do understand and know the opposites of the things but naming them is extremly difficult.

"Astrologically speaking, Pisces is not an "at-will" sign. This contrast Virgos who do anything at will. Pisces are mutable, but they only change with flows, and many Pisces admit to not having control over it. That means Pisces do not have any concept of concrete concepts and oftentimes pulled in several directions at onces.

Virgos are quite different. Virgo is a concious sign, and can typically control and direct his energies at will. This is why the Virgo has keep gifts in analysis, details, and perception, because they can see an enviroment and practically adapt with it. This is the reason why Virgos can materialize things alot better. This is probably the only real advantage that Virgo have other all other mutable signs. They are concious of when they are changing."

This is not astrology related Branh0913. This people related. A person who has faced many problems in the life generally turns his/her concentration toward details. Because once a person start to fight with the problems he/she automatically will turn on analysing them therefore conscious. Let me give you an example. Here in Turkey 90% of people of your age are unconscious about many things that you are already know (Virgo's included). And they even not turned to deal with them yet.

You pisceans are getting caught up in something aside the correct direction you were headed in at first. In my opinion, whether one uses logic or emotion is irrelevant as long as the truth is believed by all. Some are led to truth by being convinced emotionally and others logically. Forget the whole logic/emotion issue...I am a libra and trust me it's not worth discussing. You Pisceans are those who "feel" the truth, and because you do not "think" it, it becomes an enormous task to know exactly how to express the truths that you believe...I think these truths are along the lines of "There's something more to life, beyond earthly existence, a place full of peace and love...". You Pisceans are not alone in wanting something more to life. Everyone does...everyone has the same longings...let me explain.

Capricorn: I don't know why exactly I am on this planet, but I musn't lose out on anything by wasting time. I must create laws with what is certain and work based off of them consistently.

Aquarius: I know there is something more to life and I will be open to discussions and to teach others what I know.

Pisces: I feel there is something more, but to rise above the "way things are" is too horrendous and discouraging of a task.

Aries: When I find something out that may lead somewhere, I will initiate it!!!

Taurus: Somehow I will gain fulfillment, somehow I WILL!

Gemini: I think there is a meaning to life, but I don't think anyone would want to talk about it.

Cancer: I want to feel the higher power, someone show me what it is please.

Leo: I will keep searching for truth, that I may show my spectators what it is, that all may be benefited.

Virgo: Yup, there's something more to life, I am in the process of analyzing it all, the never ending process!

Libra: I will keep sifting out the lies until only truth remains, b/c there IS some truth in this hazy world.

Scorpio: Oh, the passion of dear life! That we may come to know its true meaning--"sigh"

Sagittarius: lets philosophize! what do you think is the meaning to life? This is fun 🙂

Pisceans, in your hazy unclear dream worlds, do not feel alone. We are all in the same boat as humans. NO one wants to step out and organize a "meaning to life" search party, b/c everyone thinks they will be a loner and no one will rally to their cause. But we all would. And some who claim to already know the meaning will be adamant about stating their beliefs. Pisces, I mean no offense, but I laugh seeing you all try to intellectualize, because you can't...it's not your expertise...just keep giving love and in it, you will find life's meaning...I promise. Seek out God with all your heart and you will find Him.

Damn, i just puked.

Truevenusian:

This is the most hillarious thing that I could hear. I feel the result? No.

Let me explain:

I have 2 judgement systems.

1) Logical
2) Emotional

Emotional judgement system is not actually judgement system. It just gives ideas. Possibilities. It's vast. The real judgement system is logical. Only logical judgement system makes my words. If I start speaking by my emotional system it will sound totaly gebberish. You wouldn't want to hear it.

I've got higher education as a medical scientist. So don't try to teach me what is the "logic" is. Thank you.

Well I beg your pardon Mr. Intelligence! 🙂

But still I cannot agree with you when you say that emotion feeds ideas and logic is the actual judgment system. I know what it is like to judge (heh!, I'm a libra, I constantly judge everything from what you say to whether Bush is doing the right thing to how beautiful my hair is right now to the math problem in my college neuroscience textbook!) Emotion plays half the role in my judment and logic the other half thankyou very much 🙂. And you don't have anything to say to prove me wrong now, cause like I said, I'm the balanced libra here 🙂 (Oh, how sinfully gleeful I feel right now...the pleasure of proving a pisces wrong (who will undoubtedly be offended)!)

ahem, Truevenusian,
All of us are not like that...some of us know how to exit gracefully when we know we have lost an argument. 🙂

Did you hear anything about creativity? Thats it. Emotions feeding logic is called creativity.

Where did I lost my argument Melusine?

Creativity is the sponatenous generation of something by the means of either logic or emotion. Haffo, you crack me up, I can't eat these strawberries, I am laughing too hard. 🙂

No. Spontaneus generation of something is gebbirish. Creativity is logical.

Also I do not base my cretivity on emotions.

Hi haffo,
I wasn't talking about this argument...it's none of my business.I's just refering to
truevenusian's comment regarding pisces.

"Oh, how sinfully gleeful I feel right now...the pleasure of proving a pisces wrong (who will undoubtedly be offended)!)"

You people carry on...don't mind me...I'm here strictly to watch.🙂

but now you contradicted yourself...before you said creativity was emotion FEEDING logic...Ah, I've given up on the strawberries all together!

Yes I did. And feeding logic doesn't mean that it will make it illogical.

no, but it implies that creativity is dependent to some extent on them...unless you beg to contradict yourself again 🙂

(this is libra's idea of fun)

Yes it implies that it will bring new ideas. And when they will be seived throught logical thinking, only logical ones will be left. Because logic itself cannot bring new ideas. Understood?

emotion is seived through logic and logic is left!!! So now the emotion magically turns into logic by going through a logic seive...so that's how it works! 🙂

Okay....when eating Oreo Cookies....do you unscrew them and lick off the white filling or do you eat the cookie just the way it is?

Just wondering ...hey, do you eat the cookie for emotional reasons or logical reasons?
again, just wondering.........😉

Ha ha,good one freebird.Who gives a fcuk about emotions or logic both are generated from the same organ.

"Okay....when eating Oreo Cookies....do you unscrew them and lick off the white filling or do you eat the cookie just the way it is?"

I didn't eat anything like that before. But when I eat cookie I eat in the way I like it. And if there any funny way to eat it then I eat it that way. The logic here is to satisfy myself.

" Just wondering ...hey, do you eat the cookie for emotional reasons or logical reasons?"

Emotional reasons. I do not have to use logic in everything.

What's a genum anyway?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/weekend/story/0,,1409903,00.html#article_continue

Logic? Think again.

Logic vs. emotion?
Does intuition =emotion?
Is there emotional logic...?
Intuitional emotion?
Brahn buddy...you're baffling diatribe comes to no succint conclusion.
Riddle me this....
A group of family goes out for a Sunday afternoon to take chilldren for short plane rides.
The last to go are a mother and daughter.
The mother turns to the daughter at the door of the aircraft and sends the child back.
The father (who is spatting with the mother at the time),questions the mothers decision...derides her but then takes the child away at the mothers insistence.
The plane goes down..the mother dies...
Logic?...Emotion?...
It's not so clear cut my friend....

Hello Sam2.

That was strange example. The only thing that comes to my mind about it is LUCK.

As for the rest questions, I would be happy to hear them too.

Hmmmm,interesting topic. das all i can say cause if i open my big mouth dis thread will go onto 40 or 120 something.

Hi again folks~ 😉 Now- I realize that a few of us in here are a little testy due to other people making statements. One: that's not very cool because we all know that the astrological sign we bear is nothing but differences. Two, I wasn't losing myself in my own 'intellectual psuedo B.S." I was contemplating upon a subject that didn't feel right to myself.

So seriously- I'm not out to make enemies here. I'm just asking questions and getting some 'bad vibes' for feedback which lets me know that I'm not very welcome here inparticular. Hi to the folks that say welcome; and yes I do believe I will come back and check upon this board for S&G's later on...

And no- I'm not a one-timer bud~ 😉

Also- about Libra females~ Nothing hostile, we just DO NOT mix; and I've expirienced the rejection I'll put it that way. I'm always still a friend, never an enemy. Just a lesser friend.

Also!!! I want to point out that dreams are reality- How do we think we've discovered anything without using creativity and subcortical thought? Brahn- (sorry, I'm just a little ruffled by your reflection on my thoughts) How can you say that imagination and dreams aren't a form of reality? I could go very deep into psychology, but I predict the end of the whole convorsation shows us that yes; of course not all logic is mandatory. Do you see what I'm saying?

I know you have some programming skills it sounds like but not everyone uses the same 'boolean logic'. And if you think very long and hard you will realize that there is no such thing as a thought process that isn't worth trying to understand.

And also Brahn, It was Rene Descarte that made the statement "I think, therefore I am"...

Can you tell I kind of like arguing? lol 🙂

Last thing for Brahn- (Promise) lol... Well, also another thought is that creativity is another form of logic. Much more complex- not simple like how we have the idea in our heads that 'simple logic' is executive functions like arithmatic or planning ahead, or just plain staying organized.

It's a mixture of all of this and it's expressed in "odd numbers" if you will. From that- I feel I just kind of proved that there already exists an internal relationship between creative thought and logic...

There~ I'm done, I got it all out.

what pisces doesn't like to argue?anyways welcome to the boards your like it here if you do like to argue,analyse and debate.