Burning irony

So, tell me this...why is it o.k. to burn a Qur'an in the name of free speech/rights, etc, but it's not a person's right to build a mosque anywhere they please? It seems ironic to me that one is o.k and the other is not. Both are beyond touchy issues and I'm not nessasarily absolutely for either (especially insighting violence by burning a holy book), but I must agree that they have the right as Americans to do so.

It seems some of the same people who are condeming the building of the Mosque near ground zero are the same people who think it's the Florida pastor's right to burn the Qur'an. Don't they both have that right? Or is this just about my good Christian side vs. your bad Muslim side?

Help me out here!
-RTF

Question is:

What these stupid assholes would do and how they feel when Muslims start burning bible..??



Start the holy war again..??

Hypocrisy and bigotry knows no limit in west...

THE BOOK
what gets me is the jews, the muslims, the christians all have the same basic
(key word here basic)
BOOK.
Its the same prophets.
I mean how the fuck did these clowns get so fucked up?
I mean all of them.


Think Goodness I have SHABOOM.

sr1

apparently it also applies to norway or perhaps you're just the token anti-semite in all of scandanavia...

Norway is NORTH not the WEST keep that in mind, and what the hell was that anti semite shit again..? do you even know what the word means, or you are just using as the part of propaganda crap you are following it all along..?

Be honest to yourself for once in your life time??_

In a world that every fucking asshole make mockery of god almighty it is ok but say something about fucking jews you get arrested/stamped as anti semite and jailed??_



Give me a fucking break??_lol

Come over to the dark side with me Q become a bigot and a racist.

I can not be racist or bigot, I can not lie to myself..! greatest sin ever??_

I agree with that.

I think there's a brilliant lesson to be learnt here. You know you can't go around saying and doing as you please without consequences. Putting ones foot down reigns supreme here. Yes i'm glad that many muslims are kicking up a fuss. Why incite hatred knowing it will offend so many?? This has everything to do with boundaries and setting limits. Openly disrespecting a book that over a billion hold in reverence is inciting hatred. The pastor admits he hasn't read the Koran and therefore shows how ignorant he really is in wanting to burn a book he knows nothing about. Freedom of speech is nonsense. There are things as humans you can and can't do, because respect is utmost, the only way we can fully progress in a positive manner is to respect each others beliefs as long as they don't violate human life/nature. With all three Abrahamic religions respect is taught, it's just that the majority of those who think they can teach God's word are a bit wacked themselves, therefore much misinterpretation for any representation of a faith should be accounted for. Extremism is a great cost of this. Worse still are those that stupidly think true religion divides and controls when in fact the essence of Islam, Christianity and Judaism is to unite the human race-against what— Against exactly what's coming to us if we don't wake up and stop getting sidetracked by hatefulness and blame to do with race and creed. A simple, almost base example is that Jews and Muslims live just fine in a country that is known for it's political vibrancy and debate, something the West cannot stand. Iran. And yet what truely stops Jews and Muslims getting along elsewhere? And who benefits from them not getting along?? And what impact and knock-on effect does this have for the rest of us?? And yet we keep going at it, all the while our own livelihoods and your childrens are jeopardised every day not to mention those caught in the CROSSfire.

Posted by Morningmist12

Posted by Qbone
sr1

apparently it also applies to norway or perhaps you're just the token anti-semite in all of scandanavia...

Norway is NORTH not the WEST keep that in mind, and ....

hehe.

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It's called northern hemisphere and southern hemisphere... what do you call Australia? East..??

lol

Posted by LovelyScorp

Posted by Qbone
Hypocrisy and bigotry knows no limit in west...

not fair. this idiot is some 125 year old preacher in gainesville florida. his stupid ass does not reflect the thoughts and opinions of an entire country.

i'm hoping his ass gets thrown in jailed and fined. it's illegal in that county to burn books because it's considered a hazardous waste due to the ink content. the fire department is standing by to tag his ass.

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Yes I know??_. But??_ but??_

11 hijackers caused almost 10 years wars in two countries, millions of death and blame to entire 1,5 billion Muslims around the world creating Islamophobia.

Him and his stupid church of 50 going to do the same damage if not worse??_.


That's what I am afraid of??_

Posted by calthrope
I think there's a brilliant lesson to be learnt here. You know you can't go around saying and doing as you please without consequences. Putting ones foot down reigns supreme here. Yes i'm glad that many muslims are kicking up a fuss. Why incite hatred knowing it will offend so many?? This has everything to do with boundaries and setting limits. Openly disrespecting a book that over a billion hold in reverence is inciting hatred. The pastor admits he hasn't read the Koran and therefore shows how ignorant he really is in wanting to burn a book he knows nothing about. Freedom of speech is nonsense. There are things as humans you can and can't do, because respect is utmost, the only way we can fully progress in a positive manner is to respect each others beliefs as long as they don't violate human life/nature. With all three Abrahamic religions respect is taught, it's just that the majority of those who think they can teach God's word are a bit wacked themselves, therefore much misinterpretation for any representation of a faith should be accounted for. Extremism is a great cost of this. Worse still are those that stupidly think true religion divides and controls when in fact the essence of Islam, Christianity and Judaism is to unite the human race-against what— Against exactly what's coming to us if we don't wake up and stop getting sidetracked by hatefulness and blame to do with race and creed. A simple, almost base example is that Jews and Muslims live just fine in a country that is known for it's political vibrancy and debate, something the West cannot stand. Iran. And yet what truely stops Jews and Muslims getting along elsewhere? And who benefits from them not getting along?? And what impact and knock-on effect does this have for the rest of us?? And yet we keep going at it, all the while our own livelihoods and your childrens are jeopardised every day not to mention those caught in the CROSSfire.

Good post, thank you??_ most of it represents exactly what I think..

Again, thank you??_

Posted by sr1
oh q...while i know you take yourself sooo seriously...let me re-phrase it for you...in very simpleton terms...so that even YOU clearly understand...
apparently hypocrisy and bigotry ALSO knows no limit in norway....per your own assinine and bizarre rantings...but thanks for trying to take it out of context in true virgo fashion...i mean bitch please...
and from now on...i'll know exactly where to go when i want to debate what the definition of "is" is...or when i feel like verbally beating up on the clinically insane...
laters adolph...

Of course I take myself serious

Most of you ranting guys have no idea what it takes to raise a kid and then suddenly out of blue some president idiot gets horny and decide to wage illegal and unjust wars against 12000 kilometre away nations and your kids on it because of propaganda??_

Sometimes later you??ll get a corporal at your door step to telling you (they are sorry and other kind of bullshits)??_. Or you??ll get them back devastated by psychological and physical damages??_


Is that what you call future generations of Americans..?? or you are simply saying??_ oh the are no Americans, they are immigrants applied to military to get educational and career supports??_!

Now??_ who is racist and bigot here..?

Posted by Qbone
Question is:

What these stupid assholes would do and how they feel when Muslims start burning bible..??



Start the holy war again..??

Wish I had a like/kudos feature *looks at Mr.DXP*

It is their constitutional right to burn the books. :/
(Except LS might be right about the fire hazard? If anyone really wanted to be pricks and prevent them from burning the books I'm sure they could...)

I'm glad they have that right honestly, because it means I have the right to disagree openly with what they/everyone else is doing.



With that being said...I don't think it's right.
& like DY also said, what's legal and what's right are two different things.

I think it's ignorant, distasteful, and most of all PETTY. As American's I'm surprised we would even want to stoop to that level (maybe I shouldn't be surprised?) But it's like shouldn't we really feel above that? considering we take pride in playing the mediator and having our "superior values"?? Just sayin...

A lot of people are arguing that the extremists burn anything/everything and broadcast in on national television...so what's the difference?
To be perfectly honest, I could give a shit what they burn. Their efforts are lost if we don't allow it to offend us. It's like when a child says/does something inappropriate. You shrug it off. You know they don't know any better....and you know better than to be offended. You have a choice...ignore it, or correct them by setting a better example.

Burning their books to make a point? Really? Is that what we do when we know better?!
Just like it doesn't bother me when extremists burn our flag, I can't say it really bothers me that they're going to burn the books...it's their reasoning behind doing so that annoys me.
It's backwards and ignorant & they're not making any point besides that they're uneducated and want to promote hatred in the United fucking States of America.

Wait a seconde here...

What is they....?? American Muslims are still Americans isn't it..?? please do not separate American Muslims from the rest of the community.

Posted by LovelyScorp
if they have a right to burn the books then they have a right to build a muslim community center in downtown nyc.

who's rights trump who's?

the constitution is pretty straightforward.

*shrugs*

the mayor of nyc should be completely ashamed of himself to contradict himself like he has in the last 48 hours.

this is getting way out of hand.

I mean, come on. we are making ourselves look like complete asses to the rest of the world....like usual.

Absolutely they have a right to build the Mosque & yeah they're all being big fucking hypocrite cry babies.

Still think whoever idea it was to build the Mosque where they want to build it is a complete jack-ass and a shit-stirrer...not to mention are not as innocent as some would like to believe. They know what they are doing & they need a good spanking - not the good kind 😛

Same goes for that jackass pastor who started this whole burning books shit, he's just more open with his ass-hattery.

People these days *shakes head*
Why can't we just respect each other and cooperate?....and stop disagreeing just to be disagreeable??

People are getting so emotional and upset about the Mosque, why can't you meet compromise and build it a couple blocks over?

& same as they know burning the books is distasteful, why can't they just respect people and stop being so goddamn irrational and petty??



It's giving me a headache. & you're right LS, it is very embarrassing. 😢

Mayor of NYC is a converted Jew, no wonder he supporting anything against Muslims..! to be honest the whole thing is MSM bullshits again (as usual) if they didn't blow and expand the whole thing no one would ever know and the stupid priest could burn 1,000,000 copies of Qur??an for his pleasure and no one would ever know??_


Questions again..


Who control the MSM in USA::??



Answers??_. Converted JEWS..!


End of story??_

You are too idealistic briana??_.. That's commendable but it not the reality..Which is reminding me this!



God must love stupid people. He made SO many.


As long as these stupid are around, there will be no chance in hell to live in peace.

LovelyScorp

Was trying to pull your leg. Of course no offence??_!

🙂

Idealist I am. *sigh*

Tell me about it Bri, I rather like my rose colored goggles.

The solution is just so obvious to me. I wish I had a big soapbox to get on and bitch in their ears incessantly until they got the point and/or gave in to the ear piercing. 😛

Posted by venusianbull
Tell me about it Bri, I rather like my rose colored goggles.

Blessing & a curse my dearrr

Just like our other mutual predicament of being so damn charming and adorable. 😛

Posted by LovelyScorp

The most ironic part of this entire situation is the person responsible for choosing the community center site location isn't even Muslim. He's a greedy money grabber opportunist. I am positive he was oblivious to the entire situation from the get go.

Muslim's are certainly getting the short end of the stick in the entire mess. A bunch a drama at their expense. Sad, really.

I'll admit I did not know that actually.
I never looked into who's idea it was I was just sure they're an asshat 😛

That is sad.

Lovely—



MSM = Main Stream Media.... 🙂

Worst enemy of thought you can ever get. CNN/NBC/FOX/CBS/BBC,, and so on..! always go for the alternative news sources.

Rupert Murdoch..??

Since when he becomes Arab..?? btw.. Saudi Arabia like Israel is illegitimate country created on 1932 by British like Pakistan and Iraq and so on??_


That's why they do what ever they wanted to do with their creations??_

This is a list of assets owned by Rupert Murdoch's News Corporation:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_News_Corporation<BR>

hope it helps...🙂

Mr Obama like his predecessors is a puppet run by PTB but I don't judge the man because what he got was trash from stupid bush when he took the office and it takes time to clean up the mess made by the alcoholic jerk..


May god be with him and protect him from the harm..

Posted by LovelyScorp
Yes, I feel sorry for Mr. Obama as well. Anyone who had to take over that position in the state it was deserves a helluva lot of credit.

Yeah he's not getting enough credit imo. Everyone's so quick to get critical. But what a shitty deal he got.

It would bound to be difficult after the waste laid by Bush. I wasn't expecting the parting of the seas or burning bushes, but whoa was I a hopeful monkey.

"Was" not "would". Damned mis-typed words.

Yes he has —investments on news media?? and alike but he is not running it.. its small business attractions and —political movement?? and that's all.


Owing some small percentage share in some business corporations doesn't make you the OWNER.

Text from Der Speigel online

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,716409,00.html<BR>


Terry Jones Accused of 'Spiritual Abuse' at Cologne Church


US fundamentalist pastor Terry Jones, who wants to burn copies of the Koran on Sept. 11, ran a church in the western German city of Cologne until last year when members of the congregation expelled him. Former members have spoken of his hate-filled sermons and insistence on "blind obedience."

The world is holding its breath -- and it's all down to a tiny Christian fundamentalist church in Florida.

Next Saturday, on the anniversary of the terrorist attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, Rev. Terry Jones and his colleagues plan to burn hundreds of copies of the Koran on the church's property in Gainesville, Florida.


The White House has condemned the plan, and Muslim organizations around the world have warned of the consequences should the Koran-burning go ahead. But the church is sticking to its plans.

Naturally the radical Islamophobes know very well that their deliberate provocation could trigger potentially violent protests and riots. But they have washed their hands of any responsibility. "Let's just make one thing clear," the wannabe Koran-burners write on their blog. "A small church, in a small town, down a back road, burning copies of its own books, on its own property, is not responsible for the violent actions anyone may take in retaliation to our protest."

Terry Jones, the man behind the action, is the pastor of the Dove World Outreach Center, a church that manages to attract a Sunday congregation of just 50 people, members of the radical fringe of the evangelical movement. Jones, a 58-year-old former hotel manager with a distinctive mustache, is also the author of a polemic book titled "Islam Is of the Devil."


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'Climate of Fear and Control'

In the United States, Jones has already attracted attention on several occasions as an Islamophobic provocateur. What is less well known is that the pastor led a charismatic evangelical church, the Christian Community of Cologne, in the western German city up until 2009. Last year, however, the members of the congregation kicked founder Jones out, because of his radicalism. One of the church's current leaders, Stephan Baar, also told the German news agency DPA that there had been suspicions of financial irregularities in the church surrounding Jones.

A "climate of fear and control" had previously prevailed in the congregation, says one former member of the church who does not want to be named. Instead of free expression, "blind obedience" was demanded, he says.

Various witnesses gave SPIEGEL ONLINE consistent accounts of the Jones' behavior. The pastor and his wife apparently regarded themselves as having been appointed by God, meaning opposition was a crime against the Lord. Terry and Sylvia Jones allegedly used these methods to ask for money in an increasingly insistent manner, as well as making members of the congregation carry out work.

Andrew Sch?_fer, a Protestant Church official responsible for monitoring sects in the region where Cologne is located, confirmed the accounts. "Terry Jones is a fundamentalist," he told SPIEGEL ONLINE.

Both major churches in Germany have "sect commissioners" who monitor the activities of religious groups, sects and cults. Although they are obviously not totally impartial, the officials' findings are usually considered to be trustworthy.

'Delusional Personality'

Former church members are still undergoing therapy as a result of "spiritual abuse," Sch?_fer said. According to Sch?_fer, Jones urged church members to beat their children with a rod and also taught "a distinctive demonology" and conducted brainwashing.

"Terry Jones appears to have a delusional personality," speculates Sch?_fer. When he came to Germany in the 1980s, Jones apparently considered Cologne "a city of Hell that was founded by Nero's mother," while he thought Germany was "a key country for the supposed Christian revival of Europe," Sch?_fer says.

Terry Jones used his powers of persuasion to expand the congregation. By the end, Sch?_fer estimates, it numbered between 800 and 1,000 people. They had to work in the so-called "Lisa Jones Houses," charitable institutions named after his first wife who has since died, under very poor conditions.

Increasingly Radical

Jones became increasingly radical as the years went by, former associates say. At one point he wanted to help a homosexual member to "pray away his sins." Later he began to increasingly target Islam in his sermons. A congregation member reported that some members were afraid to attend services because they expected to be attacked by Muslims. "Terry Jones has a talent for finding topical social issues and seizing on them for his own cause," says Sch?_fer.


By the end of 2007, the community had had enough. Members confronted him and tried to change the direction of the church. But Terry Jones refused to make changes, they say. In the end, Jones, his wife and their fellow preachers were expelled from the church and he moved back to the US. "The community imploded," says Sch?_fer. It only has some 80 active members today.

Now the whole world is condemning Jones for his planned burning of copies of the Koran. Sch?_fer, for his part, sees Jones as a fanatic who is courting global media attention because he couldn't cope with the "immense loss of power and significance."

gOOD POINT ON THE bOOK dY i STAND CORRECTED.
excuse the caps

Thank you all for your insights...this is why I come here and brought this issue up. It was confusing to say the least.

I just read that he's now calling off the burning. I truly believe this is for the best:

http://www.cnn.com/2010/US/09/09/florida.quran.burning/index.html?hpt=T1&iref=BN1<BR>

There aren't any worshipers to get killed in a Quran fire, unless germs worship Allah, then everyone is fucked under Shariah law eventually. Lol.

ramfishtwins


I just read that he's now calling off the burning. I truly believe this is for the best


And you all think it is over??_ right..??

Its never over Q
you know and I know it will end
when people end.

P.S. Bunch of fucking libs

Posted by ramfishtwins

...why is it o.k. to burn a Qur'an in the name of free speech/rights, etc, but it's not a person's right to build a mosque anywhere they please

1. "rights" were never the dispute.

2. you make it sound like burning came first, when it was the building that came first.



I understand your question, however, you are attempting to slant perception by imposing suggestions in your favor ... just like the media people bitch about.

I have been told by a muslim fellow that my drinking would be unacceptable where he comes from.
My responce was
Muslim in your country refine heroin for a living, but they have a moral objection to liquor?
His responce was they were bad muslims but all christians drink liquor.
I said no all don't
then I droped the big one I told him I had no religion .
He said I would be stoned or killed in his country.
So whats new.

I didn't read the whole thread... so, if any of this was said, I apologize for the duplication!

Who gives a flying rats ass if someone burns a book... I was raised Christian, but I could care less if someone decides to gather up all the bibles they can find and burn them. The book does not make the religion, it's the believe system that has been passed down for generations and how people internalize those teachings and act within those constructs. The book serves as a reference regardless as to the religious affiliation. As for the book, more will be printed.

Also, someone mentioned something about people/terrorists/whomever burning American flags. Ok, well, that is the proper way to dispose of them... so, we can throw it back in their faces, if they're getting rid of American flags, they did it the proper, and respectful manner. I really could care less about their intent - throwing them in the dumpster would have been disgraceful by American standards.

In any case, my point being, people make too big of a deal about these insignificant, trivial happenings. We should all care less about what someone does to some object regardless of what it is supposed to represent; burn my bible, burn my flag, big fricken deal, it does not effect me as a person nor my civil liberties (if we really, truly have any... or, is it all a farce?)

Posted by lildol
I didn't read the whole thread... so, if any of this was said, I apologize for the duplication!

Who gives a flying rats ass if someone burns a book... I was raised Christian, but I could care less if someone decides to gather up all the bibles they can find and burn them. The book does not make the religion, it's the believe system that has been passed down for generations and how people internalize those teachings and act within those constructs. The book serves as a reference regardless as to the religious affiliation. As for the book, more will be printed.

Also, someone mentioned something about people/terrorists/whomever burning American flags. Ok, well, that is the proper way to dispose of them... so, we can throw it back in their faces, if they're getting rid of American flags, they did it the proper, and respectful manner. I really could care less about their intent - throwing them in the dumpster would have been disgraceful by American standards.

In any case, my point being, people make too big of a deal about these insignificant, trivial happenings. We should all care less about what someone does to some object regardless of what it is supposed to represent; burn my bible, burn my flag, big fricken deal, it does not effect me as a person nor my civil liberties (if we really, truly have any... or, is it all a farce?)

I see what you are saying, but I think you may be in the minority regarding being offended if the bible was burned. I guess it comes down to common decency and respect for other religions. It's not insignificant if our troops are in more harms way because it's done.

And yes, it's a farce! 🙂