Screw Our Soldiers

Saw this on Maddow and it's making me really sad. 20 years of honorable service and this—

I know it's going to be repealed soon but this honestly made me tear up.

Don't defame the honourable and holy name of the soldier.

Soldier of fortune or mercenary more likely, him and the other criminals like him deserves even worse. The main and the only reason of to be a soldier, are to protect and defend the civilians and country??s main border.

US army is (hired guns)! and there is no honour to serve with it.

Tell me something tear upped Tubby, since when the American borders stretched 12000 km eastward?

Fuck the bozo and a like..!

The philosophy of (hired guns) military??_

GET PAID, GET LAID??_ AND DIE SOMEWHERE!

Don't ask don't tell??_! See what I mean? This is all about the U.S of EH armed forces..! no MORALS brain dead zombies ready to attack on orders.

Soldiers do not decide policy and by your rationale, no one should serve in the US because even without iraq, you'd be bitching about vietnam. Do you hold the same cantankerous view of the brits, dutch, portugese, spainards or french? Was it not europeans who sought to dominate and subjugate the world in an effort to line the pockets of the few? When will they be brought to task for centuries of raping the world?

At the end of the day, this man hid his sexuality for 2 decades. It sounds like a spurned lover ratted him out and now, he will be forced out based on something that has no basis on job performance. I feel for him because he did wear a mask for so long and if I were him I'd feel doubly the shit for having denied myself, sacrificed my life and happiness for a country who clearly doesn't give a shit about me.

Whether it's official or not, this same policy exists in other fields. Imagine how many school officials and teachers have to be careful of outing themselves or being outted in america's schools. Where sexuality should be private, homosexuality should not result in punishment.

Here here.

That's bullllllshittttt

If you're unable to view the frame, http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/12/us/12ask.html?src=mv

Or google - officer sues to block his discharge under gay ban.

this from two people who were never soldiers walk a mile in my shoes are theres.

@Qbone - intriguing commentary.

@tubbyscubby,

I'm going to take some tangents here, so walk with me.

You launch tirades in apparently righteous defense against our country and its armed forces. But I wonder where your showy patriotism runs in the face of certain ground realities.

What is your position is on the countless number of soldiers who've come back from Iraq that are now firmly in the anti-war camp (some of its most vocal voices) AGAINST the relentless press for military actions in Iraq & Afghanistan?

What is your position on the alarming rise of suicides within our military?
(Source: http://www.eagletribune.com/local/x1936216321/Suicide-rate-among-military-members-on-the-rise)

What is your position on the reality that our boys' are continuously sidelined in battle by private mercenary forces which the past two administrations have bankrolled in over $ 30billion of our taxpayer dollars? Mercenaries who possess superior arms & armory that our boys DON'T have? Hired guns whose very presence REDUCES MORALE of our soldiers?

Proof? The devil is in the details. Here you go:
http://www.thenation.com/blog/36444/obama-administration-keeping-blackwater-armed-and-dangerous-afghanistan
http://www.thenation.com/blog/dod-investigating-nine-cases-terrorism-related-acts-us-military-and-contractors
http://www.thenation.com/blog/36599/gen-stanley-mcchrystal-and-blackwater-updated

Here's an excerpt:
"Blackwater has spent heavily on Democratic lobbyists in 2010 and clearly it has paid off. Despite the investigations, the indictments, the trail of dead bodies, George W Bush's favorite mercenary company is thriving under the Obama Administration. After its original sugar daddy left town, Blackwater has happily remarried. Over the past two weeks, the Administration has awarded nearly a quarter billion dollars in new US government contracts to Blackwater to work for the State Department and CIA in Afghanistan and other hot zones globally."

I'm sure you're aware that the POTUS is the ultimate commander-in-chief of the armed forces. To that extent, all soldiers are the bulldogs of whatever agenda the administration sets. They follow orders. Has it occurred to you, that when the leadership is corrupt, and beholden to interests AGAINST our country - it becomes pathetically laughable to defend *whatever* our soldiers do?

In other words, when the chief commander is corrupt, everyone is corrupt. What is your position on that?

Lord, you again?

You want to debate iraq or wars, start that thread. That's not what this one is about so like I told you last time, when your relevant, I'd be more than happy to debate. Until then, go play with Q, he hates america too.

@tubbyscubby,

Yup it's me again, good morning to you as well!

Your brain is wired enough to know my tangents are directly related to the topic you raised.
Try being "relevant" for a change by answering my questions, instead of running away like an intellectual coward.

Yeah, you're soooooo talking about don't ask sont tell in that post.

What do you care about my opinion anyway? Ask venus hers. Ask that stupid cat what she thinks.

I don't find you worthy of discourse. You'd have to be interesting to begin with and you're not. You're a regurgitation.

Q, on the other hand, is uniquely intriguing. His views are his own and when he states them, it's not about what others think or how they think. I don't agree with him but at least his platform is his own.

Why couldn't you just respond to the topic before addressing me? I know, because you want my attention. You got it. Just not the way you thought you would. Sucks dunnit?

What sucks is that you won't take a stab at my questions. It's typical behavior from you.

All you can do is throw up smoke and mirrors, and attack me personally rather than engage in discussion. If you don't care to, that's fine by me. I don't stand in need of your attention, you can put that strawman back in your closet.

I suspect you find Q-bone "uniquely intriguing" because he foolishly falls for your bait. Some of us know exactly what you're trying to do.

Just know that we're not fooled by your horse-s**t. When you spew it out, expect it to be challenged. Have a nice day!

Ok.

You're right.

Now you're not going to reply to my poofs again are you? Please don't.

My dear Scorpdragon
Number one :she will not debate you are anyone else who has a point to make that distroys her little one sided take on anything.

number two Her name is tubby butt that being where her head is most of the time.

Tate, this is why I don't play with u anymore.

Q, I have an idea of his view on gays let alone gays in the military so if he wants to diverge, cool.

This cat, I don't know who he is and I don't give a fuck who you are. To come on my threads and not even attempt to address the OP before going on a tangent is insulting. I want to discuss something specific so before you "troll," show me and others some fucking respect and address the topic. I'd be dine he just said, "I think the policy is great" and then moved on to his agenda of finding out my views on everything from military service to whether or not I like chocolate. Is this a fucking date?

I choose to be serious and am greeted by fools. Now where are the other critters? They're bound to show.

My viewpoint is THIS. Whatever someone does in their bedroom, belongs right there. It's no ones business. It does not affect what is done for country and honor. That is dependent upon the person. If he was a good soldier, a good man, then what in the bloody HELLS does it matter that he sips from a different cup? It should be a non-issue.

Dude, I totally want to fuck you up right now...regularly according to my personal regulations

Thank you Asleep, I of course being a civi do not know the ins and outs. I can only come at it from my personal belief system. 🙂

Venus, I didn't realize it until last night but say you "don't tell." You go about your job, are discreet and "don't tell."

Say your ex-lover gets upset, contacts your superiors and outs you. I didn't realize that founded or unfounded, an investigation begins. So you could have followed policy by "not telling" and still be discharged.

How is that rational or fair or just?

I guess what bothers me is that this "regulation" was enacted nearly 15 years ago. You mean to tell me that from 1776 to the mid-1990s, there was no issue with gays but during the clinton admin, gays went crazy! Were soldiers fucking on the horsey ride at mcdonalds in texas while getting a same -sex "happy ending?"

I think it's all BS personally. It is not a rule I would have instigated. If there was not fear in place of it then it wouldn't be an issue. I don't think a mans career should go down in flames because another Queen had a hair laying across their arse just right. Catty.

Basically. I have a hard time believing this due jeopardized his career after 20 years. Who'd do that. He's going to be discharged for nothing. 😢

This is his life. His retirement, pension...omg! We screw people this way and proclaim it's the law.

😢

Posted by james tate
My dear Scorpdragon
Number one :she will not debate you are anyone else who has a point to make that distroys her little one sided take on anything.

number two Her name is tubby butt that being where her head is most of the time.

Lol......I ♥ me some Tater 🙂

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Posted by venusianbull
My viewpoint is THIS. Whatever someone does in their bedroom, belongs right there. It's no ones business. It does not affect what is done for country and honor. That is dependent upon the person. If he was a good soldier, a good man, then what in the bloody HELLS does it matter that he sips from a different cup? It should be a non-issue.

It does matter, not from a personal stand point, or even any person's stand point. He is being investigated and punished becuase he broke regulations that were set in place, or were set in place. From this stance, he is wrong. I share your sentiment on it, but it's not how the military views it.

I should point out, that I don't agree with the policy set in place concerning gay people's tendancies while serving, not for a second, but what You, He, I thinks is irrelevant until enough preassure is applied to force a change.

One other thing I found interesting about this, is the fact that he is a Lt. Col in the Airforce, meaning he is a leader. Leaders by definiton, set the standard and uphold the standard. I feel for the guy, he can't help his natural inclination and it being wrong in the military is ot something I agree with. He DID however break the regulations, and I wonder how many airmen he punished for doing the exact same thing: Breaking the regulation.

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Good point actually.

But I think everyone can agree this is more about the regulations being bulllshitttt

Regulations regarding hair, drugs, professional conduct...ok.

Regulation stating that you can never, ever have sex?

THIS...ISN'T...SPARRRTA!

The Libra is kind of ignorant when it comes to the subject of homosexuality, so I don't give his opinions on such much credit. But I asked him about the military's policy on this subject...like how they justified regulating someone's sexual preference.

First he just said, "because that's shits gay." I was like yeah that's the dumbest thing you've ever said...being gay is gay? Lol....wowwwww

Then he said, it's like how they regulate interpersonal relationships. Unwed couples are reprimanded if they are caught having sex on base.....relationship drama just doesn't fit into the environment they're trying to maintain.
This is why they separate the males from the females, besides the obvious reason of privacy. If they allow gay men, there is no way to separate.

Kind of makes more sense when he explains it like that. Although I still don't completely agree.

Still think what they're doing to people is complete and utter bullshit. :/

Yep! Because gays and lesbians are highly sexualized and can't keep it in their pants. Not to mention, unwed soldiers NEVER have sex cause heterosexuals know how to keep ot in their pants.

Ever think that getting people to declare their sexuality sorta eliminates most of these fears? As in not pairing two gay soldiers together when it comes to housing?

The notion that they would drop drawls in the middle of a desert to fuck behind sand dunes simply because they're both gay is insulting and stupid. Tell your bf to utili2 the awesome power of the gibill asap.

Utilize

One of my best friends from hs is an administrator and no, not cool to be "out" in all places even if it is pretty obvious.

My hs french teacher was gay and as out as he was, he still wasn't "out."

I think it's because some parents would flip...but I am below the mason-dixon 😛

Until a person has been in another persons shoe's he is in no position to judge...

Posted by tubbyscubby
Yep! Because gays and lesbians are highly sexualized and can't keep it in their pants. Not to mention, unwed soldiers NEVER have sex cause heterosexuals know how to keep ot in their pants.

Of course heterosexuals have sex...don't be absurd (if possible for you.) His point was there are regulations existing for that too...not just for homosexuals.

Posted by tubbyscubby
Ever think that getting people to declare their sexuality sorta eliminates most of these fears? As in not pairing two gay soldiers together when it comes to housing?

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I agree. Wish they saw it that way too.

Not even responding to the last part since you resorted to childish shit talking as always.
As I said, his views on homosexuality are quite ignorant...I added that disclaimer.

PS he is using his GI bill right now as we speak. Though I doubt this will change his ignorant views on homosexuality. It's just a reality unfortunately. *shrugs*

I don't think him being ignorant means he's dumb...nor does it mean he's not well aware of military regulations.
If anything, that's something he's very informed on.