Trapping men with pregnancy

So, in this day and age, is it really possible to "trap" a man with a pregnancy.

It really ticks me off to hear men say they were trapped, or a woman to make an escuse for a man because he was trapped with some other woman's pregnancy.

Men can wear condoms. Oh, I know a condom can break, but that's not a trap unless the crazy bitch poked holes in them. But a cautious man would bring his own poke-free condoms.

Couples don't get married because they're pregnant. Women have babies alone all the time.

Isn't this a new age? Aren't people educated on how to protect themselves? Aren't women free to make their own choices?

I suppose the trap these days would be financial, but how is that technically a trap? He still has the freedom to do his own thing.

Just got inspired by a thread, so I thought this would be a fun topic to discuss. Perhaps there's something I'm not seeing...

Posted by truecap
So, in this day and age, is it really possible to "trap" a man with a pregnancy.

It really ticks me off to hear men say they were trapped, or a woman to make an escuse for a man because he was trapped with some other woman's pregnancy.

Men can wear condoms. Oh, I know a condom can break, but that's not a trap unless the crazy bitch poked holes in them. But a cautious man would bring his own poke-free condoms.

Couples don't get married because they're pregnant. Women have babies alone all the time.

Isn't this a new age? Aren't people educated on how to protect themselves? Aren't women free to make their own choices?

I suppose the trap these days would be financial, but how is that technically a trap? He still has the freedom to do his own thing.

Just got inspired by a thread, so I thought this would be a fun topic to discuss. Perhaps there's something I'm not seeing...

nope. men still run off. if they are responsible, they'll help the woman because that's their child too, but men won't want to usually be shacked up with someone they dont want to be. Alot of men usually just love 'em and leave 'em. That's why you hear about welfare offices being crowded by single mothers. There's NO man in sight. They all ran off.

well if the man is smart, he'll have condoms, so you're right,.

i dont know...honestly, i haven't looked at the statistics of welfare offices and the high rise of single mothers. Not really sure.

i dont doubt there are men still loving and leavin' 'em.

Posted by tiziani
When do you hear men say they were trapped? That'd be a very awkward conversation to have if the woman was also present

You know that might be a figure of speech from the past, but still used today. Maybe it's a southern phrase.

But, I've read on these threads, I've heard it in conversation. I've heard it on RV. It's more like the man gets a girl pregnant, then places blame on her because she "trapped" in - I suppose he thinks her goal is marriage, financial gain, emotional blackmail.....

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Posted by truecap
So, in this day and age, is it really possible to "trap" a man with a pregnancy.

It really ticks me off to hear men say they were trapped, or a woman to make an escuse for a man because he was trapped with some other woman's pregnancy.

Men can wear condoms. Oh, I know a condom can break, but that's not a trap unless the crazy bitch poked holes in them. But a cautious man would bring his own poke-free condoms.

Couples don't get married because they're pregnant. Women have babies alone all the time.

Isn't this a new age? Aren't people educated on how to protect themselves? Aren't women free to make their own choices?

I suppose the trap these days would be financial, but how is that technically a trap? He still has the freedom to do his own thing.

Just got inspired by a thread, so I thought this would be a fun topic to discuss. Perhaps there's something I'm not seeing...

nope. men still run off. if they are responsible, they'll help the woman because that's their child too, but men won't want to usually be shacked up with someone they dont want to be. Alot of men usually just love 'em and leave 'em. That's why you hear about welfare offices being crowded by single mothers. There's NO man in sight. They all ran off.

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Exactly! So how can a man be "trapped"?

Sure, it possible.

People are crazy. I get the personal protection and responsibility thing, but serious, monogamous relationships eventually lead to trust, and alternative means of contraception. Who wants to wear (or wants their man to wear) condoms in a committed relationships? Not me, and not any woman in any serious relationship I've been in. Eventually, that nonsense gets tossed aside, thankfully.

Thus, trust is born within the relationship. She's going to take the pill, you love her, she loves you, and you're on the same page -- no kids.

The woman can change her mind and deceive, happens all the time, unfortunately. Maybe she feels the relationship is in trouble and slipping away, and in desperation to hold on to it, she decides to get pregnant. Oopsie!!! That's a trap by my definition.

And, IMO, it's most certainly a financial trap, if you hadn't planned for it. Say a $ 1000 bucks a month, for the next 18-20 years, medical expenses, dental bills, a car, extra curricular activities, college, weddings, etc.

That's what I call a trap!

Posted by lisabethur8
well if the man is smart, he'll have condoms, so you're right,.

i dont know...honestly, i haven't looked at the statistics of welfare offices and the high rise of single mothers. Not really sure.

i dont doubt there are men still loving and leavin' 'em.

It's not really about the amount of single mothers, but about men who claim they were trapped.

Maybe it's more common in the higher social classes?? Thinking financially on that statement.

Posted by CapTenn
Sure, it possible.

People are crazy. I get the personal protection and responsibility thing, but serious, monogamous relationships eventually lead to trust, and alternative means of contraception. Who wants to wear (or wants their man to wear) condoms in a committed relationships? Not me, and not any woman in any serious relationship I've been in. Eventually, that nonsense gets tossed aside, thankfully.

Thus, trust is born within the relationship. She's going to take the pill, you love her, she loves you, and you're on the same page -- no kids.

The woman can change her mind and deceive, happens all the time, unfortunately. Maybe she feels the relationship is in trouble and slipping away, and in desperation to hold on to it, she decides to get pregnant. Oopsie!!! That's a trap by my definition.

And, IMO, it's most certainly a financial trap, if you hadn't planned for it. Say a $ 1000 bucks a month, for the next 18-20 years, medical expenses, dental bills, a car, extra curricular activities, college, weddings, etc.

That's what I call a trap!

Okay. I can see that.

But having sex always comes at a risk for pregnancy...

So, for argument's sake, if a man knows this risk, is it really a trap?

Posted by CapTenn
Sure, it possible.

People are crazy. I get the personal protection and responsibility thing, but serious, monogamous relationships eventually lead to trust, and alternative means of contraception. Who wants to wear (or wants their man to wear) condoms in a committed relationships? Not me, and not any woman in any serious relationship I've been in. Eventually, that nonsense gets tossed aside, thankfully.

Thus, trust is born within the relationship. She's going to take the pill, you love her, she loves you, and you're on the same page -- no kids.

The woman can change her mind and deceive, happens all the time, unfortunately. Maybe she feels the relationship is in trouble and slipping away, and in desperation to hold on to it, she decides to get pregnant. Oopsie!!! That's a trap by my definition.

And, IMO, it's most certainly a financial trap, if you hadn't planned for it. Say a $ 1000 bucks a month, for the next 18-20 years, medical expenses, dental bills, a car, extra curricular activities, college, weddings, etc.

That's what I call a trap!

lmao!!
that's kind of contradictory though. 😆

because the couple loves eachother, even if an "accident" happens (and yes i've heard of plenty) they will be pleasantly surprised because after all they love eachother.

the 2nd part, is a couple using "save the marriage baby" which my mother in law(capricorn) lol 😛
said of a few people she knew and then a year or two later the couple divorced. (This couple was already fighting everyday and can't stand eachother)

also i mentioned before that there was this couple, where the woman is a dominant female who used to yell at her husband (who is an ex 2 years now and has a new woman and is happy) in front of everyone and humiliate him. She was a shrew, humilated and embaressed and called her ex a bad man, and in front of their children. And i thought, look, they have a baby!! and neighbors said that "that is save the marriage baby" it didnt work because they still divorced. Of course, the ex has the kids part time so he spends time with them and doesn't shirk his responsibilities.

Posted by truecap
But having sex always comes at a risk for pregnancy...

So, for argument's sake, if a man knows this risk, is it really a trap?

General risks, no it's not a trap.

I'm talking willful deceit. That is definitely a trap.

But, are you "trapped"? you aren't forced into a marriage you don't want. You just have a baby momma and financial responsibility. I suppose that responsibility and fatherhood before one was ready would feel like a trap.

I think the women are more trapped into the role of responsibility since the baby usually lives with them.

Posted by lisabethur8

Posted by CapTenn
Sure, it possible.

People are crazy. I get the personal protection and responsibility thing, but serious, monogamous relationships eventually lead to trust, and alternative means of contraception. Who wants to wear (or wants their man to wear) condoms in a committed relationships? Not me, and not any woman in any serious relationship I've been in. Eventually, that nonsense gets tossed aside, thankfully.

Thus, trust is born within the relationship. She's going to take the pill, you love her, she loves you, and you're on the same page -- no kids.

The woman can change her mind and deceive, happens all the time, unfortunately. Maybe she feels the relationship is in trouble and slipping away, and in desperation to hold on to it, she decides to get pregnant. Oopsie!!! That's a trap by my definition.

And, IMO, it's most certainly a financial trap, if you hadn't planned for it. Say a $ 1000 bucks a month, for the next 18-20 years, medical expenses, dental bills, a car, extra curricular activities, college, weddings, etc.

That's what I call a trap!

lmao!!
that's kind of contradictory though. 😆

because the couple loves eachother, even if an "accident" happens (and yes i've heard of plenty) they will be pleasantly surprised because after all they love eachother.

the 2nd part, is a couple using "save the marriage baby" which my mother in law(capricorn) lol 😛
said of a few people she knew and then a year or two later the couple divorced. (This couple was already fighting everyday and can't stand eachother)

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You didn't read very carefully, perhaps?

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Posted by tiziani
When do you hear men say they were trapped? That'd be a very awkward conversation to have if the woman was also present

You know that might be a figure of speech from the past, but still used today. Maybe it's a southern phrase.

But, I've read on these threads, I've heard it in conversation. I've heard it on RV. It's more like the man gets a girl pregnant, then places blame on her because she "trapped" in - I suppose he thinks her goal is marriage, financial gain, emotional blackmail.....

That's what I'm genuinely interested in though, where and which threads can I find men who say they were trapped (or whatever words they used)?

I've never had that conversation in real life with anyone myself, but I'm aware of the term. It's pretty universal where I am anyway.

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You commented on one on the Gemini board where this girl was saying her boyfriend was trapped by a pregnancy.

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Posted by lisabethur8
well if the man is smart, he'll have condoms, so you're right,.

i dont know...honestly, i haven't looked at the statistics of welfare offices and the high rise of single mothers. Not really sure.

i dont doubt there are men still loving and leavin' 'em.

It's not really about the amount of single mothers, but about men who claim they were trapped.

Maybe it's more common in the higher social classes?? Thinking financially on that statement.

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not anymore. That used to be for royalty too, where arranged marriages were common. But not anymore because you can now divorce if you're unhappy w/ your spouse. Also, back then, the biggest reasons for unhappy marriages was because of "arranged" marriages. You didnt choose your spouse. Sure, it happens that 2 out of 10 marriages from arranged turn out great, but majority of the time, no.

Arranged marriages would definitely feel like a trap, but it's not deceit.

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Posted by CapTenn
Sure, it possible.

People are crazy. I get the personal protection and responsibility thing, but serious, monogamous relationships eventually lead to trust, and alternative means of contraception. Who wants to wear (or wants their man to wear) condoms in a committed relationships? Not me, and not any woman in any serious relationship I've been in. Eventually, that nonsense gets tossed aside, thankfully.

Thus, trust is born within the relationship. She's going to take the pill, you love her, she loves you, and you're on the same page -- no kids.

The woman can change her mind and deceive, happens all the time, unfortunately. Maybe she feels the relationship is in trouble and slipping away, and in desperation to hold on to it, she decides to get pregnant. Oopsie!!! That's a trap by my definition.

And, IMO, it's most certainly a financial trap, if you hadn't planned for it. Say a $ 1000 bucks a month, for the next 18-20 years, medical expenses, dental bills, a car, extra curricular activities, college, weddings, etc.

That's what I call a trap!

lmao!!
that's kind of contradictory though. 😆

because the couple loves eachother, even if an "accident" happens (and yes i've heard of plenty) they will be pleasantly surprised because after all they love eachother.

the 2nd part, is a couple using "save the marriage baby" which my mother in law(capricorn) lol 😛
said of a few people she knew and then a year or two later the couple divorced. (This couple was already fighting everyday and can't stand eachother)

You didn't read very carefully, perhaps?

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noooo...i read it. "she loves you, yuo love her." accidents happen. if you love eachother, and she decides she wants the baby (because women do start to feel attached to a baby inside her) and if he loves her they both make plans for the baby's future. It's not that hard. I dont believe it's a trap. Because if it were, then the trap is to KEEP the man because the man doesn't really love you.

Posted by truecap
But, are you "trapped"? you aren't forced into a marriage you don't want. You just have a baby momma and financial responsibility. I suppose that responsibility and fatherhood before one was ready would feel like a trap.

I think the women are more trapped into the role of responsibility since the baby usually lives with them.

truecap, I just used your credit and bought you a $ 350,000 home in your name (without your knowledge or want).

You cannot live in it, or sell it, for the next 30 years.

But, you will pay for it, mandated by the court.

Feeling trapped yet?

you cannot KEEP a man. no matter what. he stays because he loves you, not because it's his obligation. (that's a TRAP)

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Posted by CapTenn

Posted by lisabethur8

Posted by CapTenn
Sure, it possible.

People are crazy. I get the personal protection and responsibility thing, but serious, monogamous relationships eventually lead to trust, and alternative means of contraception. Who wants to wear (or wants their man to wear) condoms in a committed relationships? Not me, and not any woman in any serious relationship I've been in. Eventually, that nonsense gets tossed aside, thankfully.

Thus, trust is born within the relationship. She's going to take the pill, you love her, she loves you, and you're on the same page -- no kids.

The woman can change her mind and deceive, happens all the time, unfortunately. Maybe she feels the relationship is in trouble and slipping away, and in desperation to hold on to it, she decides to get pregnant. Oopsie!!! That's a trap by my definition.

And, IMO, it's most certainly a financial trap, if you hadn't planned for it. Say a $ 1000 bucks a month, for the next 18-20 years, medical expenses, dental bills, a car, extra curricular activities, college, weddings, etc.

That's what I call a trap!

lmao!!
that's kind of contradictory though. 😆

because the couple loves eachother, even if an "accident" happens (and yes i've heard of plenty) they will be pleasantly surprised because after all they love eachother.

the 2nd part, is a couple using "save the marriage baby" which my mother in law(capricorn) lol 😛
said of a few people she knew and then a year or two later the couple divorced. (This couple was already fighting everyday and can't stand eachother)

You didn't read very carefully, perhaps?

noooo...i read it. "she loves you, yuo love her." accidents happen. if you love eachother, and she decides she wants the baby (because women do start to feel attached to a baby inside her) and if he loves her they both make plans for the baby's future. It's not that hard. I dont believe it's a trap. Because if it were, then the trap is to KEEP the man because the man doesn't really love you.

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Uhhh....you are living out the pertinent par

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Posted by truecap
But, are you "trapped"? you aren't forced into a marriage you don't want. You just have a baby momma and financial responsibility. I suppose that responsibility and fatherhood before one was ready would feel like a trap.

I think the women are more trapped into the role of responsibility since the baby usually lives with them.

truecap, I just used your credit and bought you a $ 350,000 home in your name (without your knowledge or want).

You cannot live in it, or sell it, for the next 30 years.

But, you will pay for it, mandated by the court.

Feeling trapped yet?

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Touche'

Posted by lisabethur8
you cannot KEEP a man. no matter what. he stays because he loves you, not because it's his obligation. (that's a TRAP)

So many women think they can get a man to marry them because of a pregnancy. You're right the obligation is no longer there in this day and age.

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Posted by lisabethur8
you cannot KEEP a man. no matter what. he stays because he loves you, not because it's his obligation. (that's a TRAP)

So many women think they can get a man to marry them because of a pregnancy. You're right the obligation is no longer there in this day and age.

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no because alot of men will see that as trying to trap him. Alot of men aren't stupid. They see it a mile away. The woman knows deep down the man doesn't feel shit for her ( i know this is fucked up, but let's be real. because if he loved her, she would NEVER have to do that EVER). Doing that, is desperation for trying to KEEP a man she wants badly and he doesn't love her back. it is a TRAP!!

think about it for a woman who is being trapped by a man?? is that even possible—?

oohhhh and another thing!!! some women are sooooo devious that they KNOW deep down the man is very very kind and sweet and giving and will feel bad. So they take advantage of this kind of sweetness and USE him. The man will still feel TRAPPED.
but these women will try desperately to get him by using manipulation of his FEELINGS of obligation especially if he comes from a family of good upbringing and he should NEVER do that and leave a woman high and dry of his children. that is still a TRAP.

that is ALSO another form of lassoing the man SHE WANTS. even if she knows deep down he doesn't want her. It's horrible!!!! i'm sorry that she wants him so badly but she has to realize that he doesn't.

it should be a two way street.

this is UNREQUITED again. and taking it to another level!!

god after reading that, you hope that men are smarter than that.

Posted by tiziani
A single man with no dependants has a different range of choices and option in dating then a man with children to another woman. So yes it's perfectly possible to trap a part of someone's life. A single man with dependants cannot give the same guarantees to a new woman in his life.

Valid point.

Posted by aurora
it could be a trap if a woman chooses not to tell about pregnancy until it is too late for an abortion. and that happens. not so often but it does.

And some women have the baby and never tell him. He might find out 20 years later.

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Posted by lisabethur8
you cannot KEEP a man. no matter what. he stays because he loves you, not because it's his obligation. (that's a TRAP)

So many women think they can get a man to marry them because of a pregnancy. You're right the obligation is no longer there in this day and age.

it's no longer there but there are men who still act like there is. personally i know couple of examples. some are still together and had more kids after, some are divorced. life is strange.

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True. There are many men that want to do what they perceive is the right thing.

Posted by lisabethur8
oohhhh and another thing!!! some women are sooooo devious that they KNOW deep down the man is very very kind and sweet and giving and will feel bad. So they take advantage of this kind of sweetness and USE him. The man will still feel TRAPPED.
but these women will try desperately to get him by using manipulation of his FEELINGS of obligation especially if he comes from a family of good upbringing and he should NEVER do that and leave a woman high and dry of his children. that is still a TRAP.

True. I know men that got "trapped", married the girl out of obligation, and years later, they find out the baby wasn't even theirs to begin with. By this time, they've already developed a bond with the child.

Okay, so I suppose it is still possible in this day and age to be "trapped" by a pregnancy, even though you know that's a risk of having sex.

Posted by e11e
Wander over to craigslist and look up "positive pregnancy test"....women are actually buying those and 'pretending' to be pregnant to keep a relationshp alive.

OMG!! That is the epitah of deception!

And desperation!

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Posted by e11e
Wander over to craigslist and look up "positive pregnancy test"....women are actually buying those and 'pretending' to be pregnant to keep a relationshp alive.

OMG!! That is the epitah of deception!

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It would be good if it was the epitaph. It would mean the deception is dead.

You mean the epitome?

also, some people are enablers. they enable the relationship. hard to explain. it's not good either.

like some people ENCOURAGE others to keep going after that man, woman,and the other person that is being liked does NOT like them back. But, is still encouraged.

I know two men who were trapped into marriage, due to her getting pregnant.

In both cases, they were long term relationships in where the women were waiting for a ring, in where the guys never produced one ... so, both of them deliberately got pregnant, even though that was against the established relationship terms.

and both called them accidents.

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Posted by e11e
Wander over to craigslist and look up "positive pregnancy test"....women are actually buying those and 'pretending' to be pregnant to keep a relationshp alive.

OMG!! That is the epitah of deception!

It would be good if it was the epitaph. It would mean the deception is dead.

You mean the epitome?

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Lol!!! That's what I meant to type. Thanks for correcting it.

it's honestly TOO shameful, disgraceful, (the feeling is disgusting) to be with a man who don't want you or love you. You feel gross.

Nothing on this earth would be so horrible. Because, you feel UNLOVED, you can feel it. It's better to be with people that love you, and you love them back. Nothing one way. And children can feel that too. they also want to feel love.

Hopefully alot of women (and men) realize this.

Posted by P-Angel

I know two men who were trapped into marriage, due to her getting pregnant.

In both cases, they were long term relationships in where the women were waiting for a ring, in where the guys never produced one ... so, both of them deliberately got pregnant, even though that was against the established relationship terms.

and both called them accidents.

I'm sure that happens.

Are the marriages happy? or miserable?

i'm just wondering WHY people can't feel it— that they're NOT loved back. not in the way they want. plus feelings of PURE RESENTMENT will fester.

better to be alone. or be with family that TRULY love you and you love them.

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Posted by e11e
Wander over to craigslist and look up "positive pregnancy test"....women are actually buying those and 'pretending' to be pregnant to keep a relationshp alive.

OMG!! That is the epitah of deception!

WHAT IF I HAVE A FAKE VASECTOMY PROCEDURE RECEIPT?

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LOL, the battle of the receipts 😄!!!

I think "trapping" is more common these days, because men take ages to commit, e.g. buy that ring.There is no pressure for them to do so, since women are already playing wife roles, when they shouldn't. Perhaps getting pregnant against a man's wish is nothing more than a role confusion taken too far....

Luckily, some claimed "trappings" change into blessings as soon as the child is there....at least they did for two men I know IRL, Cap and Taurus.

Obviously, Cap enjoyed his blessing, while complaining to other about the finances...CapTenn reminds me of him 🙂. Unlike the Taurus, he didn't marry or even stayed with the child's mother.

Posted by lisabethur8
i'm just wondering WHY people can't feel it— that they're NOT loved back. not in the way they want. plus feelings of PURE RESENTMENT will fester.

better to be alone. or be with family that TRULY love you and you love them.

It's deseperation.

Posted by Undine
I think "trapping" is more common these days, because men take ages to commit, e.g. buy that ring.There is no pressure for them to do so, since women are already playing wife roles, when they shouldn't. Perhaps getting pregnant against a man's wish is nothing more than a role confusion taken too far....

Luckily, some claimed "trappings" change into blessings as soon as the child is there....at least they did for two men I know IRL, Cap and Taurus.

Confusion taken too far? LMAO

Holy shit, that's one stretch of a pathetic excuse.

This is an interesting subject. Now that I am in my late 30s and dating again I have met ALOT of men that while married their wives did things like go off the pill without discussing it with them, they were having problems in the marriage and the wife thought a baby would save the marriage. I call that a trap, if you want to put a word on it. I feel those women did that because they thought oh I'll have a baby and then he'll feel he can't leave us. The sad part is that they did stay for a few years but eventually got the divorce and now the kids are the ones that suffer. I also had a friend that did poke holes in the condom's because she thought that if she got pregnant her boyfriend would merry her. Luckly he was wise to her tricks and did bring his own condoms. Another acquaintance of mine was dating a girl, she said she was on the pill so he didn't wear condoms, within the 1st month of them dating she got pregnant and he found out she lied about the whole being on the pill thing (months later), she then went on to tell him that she wanted to get married and stop working and that he should step up and be a man and support her and the baby. He told her that he wanted to keep dating and he would support her and the baby but wanted to wait on the engagement she got mad and then cut him off from going to the doctor appts, etc and said that if he didn't put a ring on it then she would come after him for child support and she would make sure he didn't see his child except for every other weekend. The sad part is that him and I had a long conversation about the whole thing and he had always wanted to be a father, he didn't love the woman but wanted to be in his child's life not just a participant that only got every other weekend. They are now engaged and the woman is a stay at home mom, like she wanted. The thing that he kept bringing up to me was if I don't stay with her I will be paying over a $ 1000 a month and hardly be in my child's life. I think its sad that some women are like that and get pregnant on purpose to get a man to stay with them. This happens why more often then you think. A baby is not a bargaining chip!

Posted by lisabethur8
i'm just wondering WHY people can't feel it— that they're NOT loved back. not in the way they want. plus feelings of PURE RESENTMENT will fester.

better to be alone. or be with family that TRULY love you and you love them.

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I think they do feel it and they are trying to manipulate and get what they want not caring how the person feels. It's sad really. I don't know why a woman would want to stay with a man that didn't truly love her and want to be with her. They might be able to manipulate the man to stay but you cant manipulate love. I would never be able to live like that. A relationship like this is just doomed. If a man didn't really love me I'd be the one walking our the door.

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Posted by lisabethur8
i'm just wondering WHY people can't feel it— that they're NOT loved back. not in the way they want. plus feelings of PURE RESENTMENT will fester.

better to be alone. or be with family that TRULY love you and you love them.

^^^
I think they do feel it and they are trying to manipulate and get what they want not caring how the person feels. It's sad really. I don't know why a woman would want to stay with a man that didn't truly love her and want to be with her. They might be able to manipulate the man to stay but you cant manipulate love. I would never be able to live like that. A relationship like this is just doomed. If a man didn't really love me I'd be the one walking our the door.

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sometimes, it's all about "possession".


and the feelings are NOT considered. It's to POSSESS. they want it, they gotta have it, they CRAVE IT so badly. like a collector of butterflies. or a collector of stamps.THEY NEED IT. it's a craving.

that's all i got.

although, in retrospect that COULD be most LIKELY considered as LOVE.

love and possession. (obsession) and not necessarily a two way street.