What went wrong?

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So many people believe that love isn't like it used to be

Couples aren't together for nearly as long (like our grandparents/parents)
There's more single mothers now than ever before
The divorce rate is at an all time high
Matter of fact, the rate at which people are even getting married has drastically decreased in the last 10 years

These are statistically proven facts. What's truly debatable is WHY this seems to be so

Our generation seems to have a completely different definition and morale of love, marriage & committment

So what went wrong?

Are there any definitions of love, mentalities about committment/marriage/love that you saw/experienced back then but no longer see as much anymore? If so, why do you think that is?

WHAT CHANGED?!

Have men primarily changed? Women primarily changed? Media? Lowered standards as a generation? Too high of standards as a generation?

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Posted by krysrenee7
So many people believe that love isn't like it used to be

Couples aren't together for nearly as long (like our grandparents/parents)
There's more single mothers now than ever before
The divorce rate is at an all time high
Matter of fact, the rate at which people are even getting married has drastically decreased in the last 10 years

These are statistically proven facts. What's truly debatable is WHY this seems to be so

Our generation seems to have a completely different definition and morale of love, marriage & committment

So what went wrong?

Are there any definitions of love, mentalities about committment/marriage/love that you saw/experienced back then but no longer see as much anymore? If so, why do you think that is?

WHAT CHANGED?!

Have men primarily changed? Women primarily changed? Media? Lowered standards as a generation? Too high of standards as a generation?

Talk to me



It's a combination of things. Men haven't changed and women have. Women changing is not a bad things its just that men haven't caught up. To me the real culprit is the "me" mentality that men and women are getting now. Narcissism and selfishness is at an all time high. With technology, people are loosing their social skills and ability to cope and deal with reality. I'm almost 40 and its affecting my generation as well. All of this and other things has created the perfect storm. Simply put, we are loosing our fundamentals of human interaction and what it men's to live one another. Love being not by religious definition, but caring for one another. We are loosing our sense of "community." "Us."
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I think its because we try finding someone to share our lives with before ever finding ourselves. To make up for our own ignorance we depend heavily on the other to make us happy. Hence the high sense of self entitlement.

We like to believe we are discovering ourselves this way but people are masochists and are likely to choose pain. In consequence that baggage we do not want to let go of is passed along every relationship thereafter.



I'm still a genuine believer of love, romance, and marriage. But I do not want someone who does not know who they are.









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Posted by krysrenee7
So many people believe that love isn't like it used to be

Couples aren't together for nearly as long (like our grandparents/parents)
There's more single mothers now than ever before
The divorce rate is at an all time high
Matter of fact, the rate at which people are even getting married has drastically decreased in the last 10 years

These are statistically proven facts. What's truly debatable is WHY this seems to be so

Our generation seems to have a completely different definition and morale of love, marriage & committment

So what went wrong?

Are there any definitions of love, mentalities about committment/marriage/love that you saw/experienced back then but no longer see as much anymore? If so, why do you think that is?

WHAT CHANGED?!

Have men primarily changed? Women primarily changed? Media? Lowered standards as a generation? Too high of standards as a generation?

Talk to me




🙂 i always enjoyed your posts. Glad to see you posting again
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Women's movement
Rap Music



the women's movement was designed to improve the status of women in this country. but it has switched the traditional gender roles. women are closing in on the income gap with men. theyre also occupying more of middle mangement and upper. there are more women CEOs than b4.

stay at home moms? thing of the past. stay at home dad now exist. Mr. Mom. women are the primary breadwinners and have essentially castrated men and have done away with a man's natural desire to provide. what are men left to do?

rap music is awful and has sensationalized a man's desire to have a wife, mistress, and a girlfriend. the dummies out there believe and the even dumber girls accept it. what a real women left to do?


women dont feel as confined by a man and his decision-making power. they can leave, unless you have kids than you have a decision to make. but if you a single girl with no kids, you settle for nothing. you leave and than is insecurity to a man.
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Posted by DMV
Women's movement
Rap Music



the women's movement was designed to improve the status of women in this country. but it has switched the traditional gender roles. women are closing in on the income gap with men. theyre also occupying more of middle mangement and upper. there are more women CEOs than b4.

stay at home moms? thing of the past. stay at home dad now exist. Mr. Mom. women are the primary breadwinners and have essentially castrated men and have done away with a man's natural desire to provide. what are men left to do?

rap music is awful and has sensationalized a man's desire to have a wife, mistress, and a girlfriend. the dummies out there believe and the even dumber girls accept it. what a real women left to do?


women dont feel as confined by a man and his decision-making power. they can leave, unless you have kids than you have a decision to make. but if you a single girl with no kids, you settle for nothing. you leave and than is insecurity to a man.



^^^^^ +1 WOW DMV...Nice 🙂 I support this 100%
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Uh, women's movement? Men losing their power?

No.

Maybe in the area where women just don't roll over and constrict themselves to gender roles that gave the men dominant power in the relationship. You were the good wife, let your man provide, and you just dealt with it. Divorce was never spoken of. You were married and you dealt with it, even if he cheated or abused you. You were the little woman and just put up with his shit. Divorce was out of the question and even if you did, the woman had a stigma for doing so.

It's no coincidence that depression was rampant amongst housewives before the women's movement in the 60s.

However, overall, the problem seems to stem from the mindset that started with the infamous Dr. Spock- entitled and selfish children who have been raising several generations who are more selfish and entitled than before. Working out a marriage? NOWAI. I HATE HIM/HER, THIS ISN'T WORKING AND MY WHIM ISN'T FUN ANYMORE. LET'S DIVORCE NOW. KTHX!! People have become very immature in relationships and how they view them.

I think marriage has lost it's "importance" in our society. It was originally there as a way for a man to claim a woman as his possession (this is why she takes on his name). From there, it evolved into something that people took very seriously as it was a lifelong commitment. Anymore, people just don't take it seriously. I can't count how many people I've known who were engaged within months of meeting, only to break it off another few months later.

That, combined with divorce not being so taboo anymore, seem to be pretty obvious factors in the whole idea of marriage and why it just doesn't last as much.
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Posted by 25thDecan
Rap music? It's scope isn't near as large as rock music. It isn't the "movement" people make it out to be..and never will be. It just looks less caucasian-oriented in its marketing trends.

Idk....people are getting married later...could be they are ready for it later. People are staying married for lesser amounts of time..well, since it was actually "kept track of", dig? Additionally, people are living longer. That's long enough time for this to have changed: women are no longer property at the numerical number they were prior to "today". In the past, worldwide...you married a woman and what was "hers"...was yours(male). Divorce rates are up..now that women can..DECIDE moreso now than ever.
Is this "bad"? Hmm....I don't see a rise in serial killing. Check it...I'm right..because serial killers got away with it and existed at a much larger scale prior to true investigative law enforcement WORLDWIDE. What about actual theft and violent crime? Not quite on the rise per se in most major urban centers. So what is truly "wrong"? Change. Like rejection, change can be seen but not always tangibly embraced as it happens. You can resist it(usually futile), fear it, anticipate it, fear it and avoid it during anticipation and yet...it happens. Such is life.



http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/lil-wayne-tops-elvis-presleys-billboard-record-17335842#.UGWtmq7YF8U

Lil Wayne is not only making rap history, he's making rock 'n roll history: the rapper has surpassed Elvis Presley as the male with the most entries on Billboard's Hot 100 chart.
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Uh, women's movement? Men losing their power?

No.

Maybe in the area where women just don't roll over and constrict themselves to gender roles that gave the men dominant power in the relationship. You were the good wife, let your man provide, and you just dealt with it. Divorce was never spoken of. You were married and you dealt with it, even if he cheated or abused you. You were the little woman and just put up with his shit. Divorce was out of the question and even if you did, the woman had a stigma for doing so.

It's no coincidence that depression was rampant amongst housewives before the women's movement in the 60s.

However, overall, the problem seems to stem from the mindset that started with the infamous Dr. Spock- entitled and selfish children who have been raising several generations who are more selfish and entitled than before. Working out a marriage? NOWAI. I HATE HIM/HER, THIS ISN'T WORKING AND MY WHIM ISN'T FUN ANYMORE. LET'S DIVORCE NOW. KTHX!! People have become very immature in relationships and how they view them.

I think marriage has lost it's "importance" in our society. It was originally there as a way for a man to claim a woman as his possession (this is why she takes on his name). From there, it evolved into something that people took very seriously as it was a lifelong commitment. Anymore, people just don't take it seriously. I can't count how many people I've known who were engaged within months of meeting, only to break it off another few months later.

That, combined with divorce not being so taboo anymore, seem to be pretty obvious factors in the whole idea of marriage and why it just doesn't last as much.




http://news.yahoo.com/why-men-are-failing-in-this-new-economy.html

"In Hanna Rosin's new book "The End of Men: And the Rise of Women" she argues that women have gained a competitive advantage over men in the workplace.

There are more female employees in 12 of the 15 fastest growing industries and more women are choosing occupations that were previously monopolized by men. Women are even better educated — for every two men who complete their bachelor's degree, there are three female graduates."
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Men are just not allowed to be Men anymore. Women dont need them anymore. Men dont feel like the ultimate providers and have to find their new place in the household and workforce.


maybe Nicki Minaj and the BS flying out of her mouth will have the same effect as Lil Wayne on young men. Young men want to be ballers, basketball players, rappers, etc. they no longer aspire to be math or science teachers. By 2015, in order to stay competitive with a global enviornment, the US will need 200K of new math and science teachers.

maybe Nicki will have girls just wanting to be video girls or backup dancers/singers and then men can get a leg up.

although, both these people run in the same circle so my money is China.
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Posted by 25thDecan
Lil Wayne's influence isn't a DROP compared to Bono, McCarthy, Hendrix...are you serious? Seriously, I disagree that RAP is the problem. What other music uses different subject content than rap? Nothing except gospel...and gospel is...smh.

Music= love, love unrequited, mysogyny, death, drug usage and abuse, suicide, divorce, MARRIAGE, infidelity, money, money loss, braggadocio of all included....
What was Elvis' typical song content?
Dig what I'm saying. If you don't like rap...cool. blaming RAP for what people do....cmon, really? I just don't see it.



when did i ever compare Lil to them? what i was trying to convey was the influence he has on young men and women today. For him to be as high in the numbers as he is, i.e. record sales, more than just 1 person is listening to him. he reaches a vast audience of all colors.

turn on 106 and park...youll see it, but then youll quickly want to take a gun to your head.

better yet, go to your nearest high school and ask the kids what they want to be when they grow up.
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Posted by 25thDecan
It can't be rap...entries on billboard vs actual SALES WORLDWIDE...rap can't touch rock OR blues. No...love problems worldwide aren't because of music..it's people. BUT..who honestly would trade the freedom of a woman for more choice in who she loves and how she pursues quality of life today vs being a child rearing mule before "today"? You're NOT property...



im not comparing rap to either rock or the blues 🙂 for african americans, most of us listen to hip hop/rap and not rock. so i just said rap because im speaking from my background.

im hinting at the influential power of rap music and the message. i dont know how old you are, but if your 30 imagine you 15. dem kids aint all listening to Adele.

people are influenced by other people. no matter how hard you try to be an individual or unique your receiving influence or direction from a source. either it be your parents, the music you listen 2, church, DXP, etc. where did u receive your influence?

also, the majority of today's children are being raised in a one parent household and that parent probably works 2 jobs and or overtime. the parent is not the major influential factor in their child's life. guess who is?

well, i cant answer your last question because im a woman. but i started a blog not to long ago if people wanted to be needed or wanted by their partner. overwhelming, men would like to be needed more than wanted by their partner. a man wants to be able to provide for something in her life. most of the time, its $ $ $ . an independent women dont need your money. a dependent woman = security for a man. the blog is somewhere on DXP. women will eventually outearn her male counterpart. both side will have to adjust to the gender role switch.

what is your mercury in? we seem to be having a communication block.
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Posted by Torro
Although music has, and always will be an important part of every decade, century... I highly doubt that Nicki Minaj and Lil' Wayne are among the top 5 reasons that people are getting divorced. Only an idiot would live his life by the standards of modern rap music, even if he likes it. People mentioned above might make shit "music" but come on. Music plays a part in the whole package of this modern society, but people are not getting divorced because of music, it's mostly teens that look up to mainstreem rap stars, and teens are not getting married (usually). I agree with rockyroadicecream, newer generations are becoming spoiled little brats, and having an easy way out (simply getting a divorce), might just be making things worse. People are not trying hard enough, no one believes in true love anymore, there are "plenty of fish in the sea", didn't work out, oh well, let's move on. It sucks. Only lying & cheating (from any side) is unforgivable, imo. If some people are willing to give it a shot even after that, good for them.



the person is smart, but people are idiots and that my friend makes you 100% right
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Posted by Nights22
I think it comes down to respect.

My grandparents respected each other. Hence why there were married for almost 50 years.
My barber and her husband respect each other. They have been married for almost 30 years. They probably have the most true love I have ever seen in a couple. I wish I knew their signs.
Luckily a lot of my family have had long marriages and the one thing I see most is respect.

But now days the sexes do not respect each other.
Many men damn sure don't respect women and many women don't respect anything.
Hence the conundrum.



This, and it ties back to the "all about me" attitude that was instilled in kids in the 50s.

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Oh FFS, the whole "poor men" attitude makes me want to kick puppies.
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Exactly. These silly bitches need to learn them some history on the subject matter. There ain't no "poor men" involved here.
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Posted by rockyroadicecream


It's no coincidence that depression was rampant amongst housewives before the women's movement in the 60s.




People can call it selfish if they want to, but staying in a loveless/horrible/abusive marriage is just not that attractive in this day and age - for men or women.
I believe that those who want to get married will, and those who chose not to, won't. I've seen MANY a woman who has railroaded some guy into marrying her, because she was: getting too old, wanted to have a baby, didn't want to die alone, or whatever such crap that our society has fed people about why they SHOULDN'T stay single. Hey, to each their own.
I know a host of people who have been married for a long time, and I wouldn't want to be in ANY of their relationships, BUT, with that being said, it works for them, so who am I to question them—
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So many aspects can be said that have led to the climbing divorce rate. As previously stated, divorce has become a lot more accepted. As well as the importance for women to live as equals, standing up for themselves, making a career, making choices, fulfuilling their dreams. All are important factors.

However, I believe that our notions of relationships have been deconstructed and re-built into a modern archetype where YOU come first. We are not the baby-booming generation focused on security, family, income. We're more focused on ourselves, more so than ever. Many people that I have met choose to stay single, don't want to get married, etc.

Did something go wrong or is it a lack of responsibility that they may harbour? Not necessarily, it's a different set of values. Mostly, it seems that they want to focus on themselves, their projects (career, art, human rights, travel, medicine, etc) and making the most of their life to give back to the world. Of course you can do that while married, but marriage may pose as a distraction. The idea of marriage and settling down has been pushed back further and further into middle age. Perhaps marriage just doesn't have its 'importance' like it used to.

Alongside that, we're also more connected than ever with the internet that is opening more and more options. ie: OK Cupid, Match.com, eHarmony, Craigslist: these are all dating/hook-up sites. This brightens up the sea to a lot more fish. Although there are more options, this can actually make it more difficult to settle down...making infidelity that much easier.

As witness to the actual climbing divorce rate, many of us, it seems, are reluctant to even tie the knot. At least until we're good and READY.

These are just a few of my thoughts.
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Posted by Pecheresse
Consumerism.



This phenomenon is deeply embedded and the most overlooked aspect of our societies. Our appetites for "things" has become insatiable. Money, power, gadgets, etc. "I want it all and I want it now." This has spilled over into relationships where men and women are simply used as tools for satisfaction and personal gain. People get what they need and right hen things go sour they split...breaking the persons heart. That person goes through the same thing again and again and becomes bitter. They then adopt the same attitude and the cycle continues. The world is become filled with bitter, cynical people who no longer believe in anything except what's good for them first. Your needs come a far second.

People don't feel as sense of personal responsibility anymore. Not to ourselves or each other. Just consumers of things and people.
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The Social structure of the family has changed completely. Why?? Because the government has structured it so that it costs more than one income in a standard family to provide comfort. Both parents have to work and that removes the natural settings that used to occur: meeting at the table for dinner, dad at work all day while mom was always available at home, etc. Doing this caused essentially the overwhelming breakdown of the family traditions in the U.S. In addition, our society places more value on personal happiness than other countries. It's one of the reasons why universal healthcare occured in Europe and hasn't successfully occured here. There's no loyalty to the country, no pride in community, and barely loyalty to family. In addition, there has been an entire generation of chidren without fathers growing up in the U.S. They became men who believed that it was perfectly natural to walk away from your paternal responsibilities. Meanwhile, there has also been a generation of teenage mothers. Children raising babies alone. Review the history.
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Posted by Pecheresse
Marriages that lasted a whole life only worked because -at the time -most people were usually dead by 30.



Here is a lot of the reason for this discussion. A marriage the lasted 20 years was quite novel for most of the human experience. One or both partners would be dead before that 20 year lapse. Most likely it would have been her dying, and dying in child birth.

It has also been widely argued that women of today reflect the status of women before agriculture. It was the shift to agriculture that made women and children property. It has taken 10,000 years, but women are once again reasserting their "natural" role. Men are/were sperm donors, killers of large herbivores, and expendable. Women give birth, and tie the community together. It was these activities that had made women all together much more valuable to the community then men.

Women simply do not need men the same way that men need women. Let's be honest here folks, this is not a novel insight from me. That Western Society has not prevented women from regaining their independence is pretty novel, though.
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Posted by Pecheresse
Marriages that lasted a whole life only worked because -at the time -most people were usually dead by 30.



Here is a lot of the reason for this discussion. A marriage the lasted 20 years was quite novel for most of the human experience. One or both partners would be dead before that 20 year lapse. Most likely it would have been her dying, and dying in child birth.

It has also been widely argued that women of today reflect the status of women before agriculture. It was the shift to agriculture that made women and children property. It has taken 10,000 years, but women are once again reasserting their "natural" role. Men are/were sperm donors, killers of large herbivores, and expendable. Women give birth, and tie the community together. It was these activities that had made women all together much more valuable to the community then men.

Women simply do not need men the same way that men need women. Let's be honest here folks, this is not a novel insight from me. That Western Society has not prevented women from regaining their independence is pretty novel, though.
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We may not NEED you, but we love you and want you and like to wake you up in the middle of the night by giving you a head
















butt.


And what could be better than that—————

Y'all are nuts.
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Posted by dofacc
Posted by Pecheresse
Marriages that lasted a whole life only worked because -at the time -most people were usually dead by 30.



Here is a lot of the reason for this discussion. A marriage the lasted 20 years was quite novel for most of the human experience. One or both partners would be dead before that 20 year lapse. Most likely it would have been her dying, and dying in child birth.

It has also been widely argued that women of today reflect the status of women before agriculture. It was the shift to agriculture that made women and children property. It has taken 10,000 years, but women are once again reasserting their "natural" role. Men are/were sperm donors, killers of large herbivores, and expendable. Women give birth, and tie the community together. It was these activities that had made women all together much more valuable to the community then men.

Women simply do not need men the same way that men need women. Let's be honest here folks, this is not a novel insight from me. That Western Society has not prevented women from regaining their independence is pretty novel, though.



We may not NEED you, but we love you and want you and like to wake you up in the middle of the night by giving you a head
















butt.


And what could be better than that—————

Y'all are nuts.
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Us giving y'all head in the middle of the night...