Immature Sagi vs. Mature Sagi

So I have a girlfriend who introduced me to her bro-in-law(Nov 24) almost 6 months ago. I've tried to get to know him before I decide to move towards anything and the chemistry just aint there...he's absolutely handsome (beautiful eyes, bodied-up and almost 6 feet). Our conversations are mostly surfaced and when I try to dig deeper he realizes he's telling his "real feelings" and backs off with sex jokes. His arse is sexting all the time and our convo always have sexual innuendos. It was cute, but now it's annoying as hell. He's kinda all over the place and can't stay focused to finish a thought. I'm 9 years older...

My experiences with him are soooo disappointing, I kinda expected them to be like my "old friend" Sag(Dec 10) of 15 yrs who I guess is sure of himself and even back then at the same age as the younger Sag. He's 8 years older...

What am I missing here? Am I expecting too much from the younger one? I have no experiences with Sag, but these two and have no idea if this is typical behavior of the younger. They are soooo opposite it's amazing!!! Is the younger more immature OR is it he's more Scorp? Which bothers me because I have a Scorp hot on my trail that keeps saying he'll wait for me...uggghhhh!

im Nov 25 and im a little bit of sag and scorp. but his (younger sag) actions sound typical of a sag. my sister is dec 16, shes different than i am because of her natal chart. not all saggis are created equal.

who was better in bed?

what the date of births and place of birth for the saggis?

I didn't go there YET(LOL) with younger one. I need to know there's a connection for some reason.

The older? The chemistry, the emotions, the passion...FIREWORKS! And it keeps getting better, but we have a history.


I'm not good at this, just learning from my sister,so here goes:
Dec 10 1962
Nov 24 1979

where were they born?

OOPS! That would be important too right? Wonderful "Chicago"...

Well right now I am dating two Saggs one Nov 23, 1974 and the other Nov 25, 1978. They both remind me of each other in how they talk, are very hardworking, and adore their kids and their conversation is good with sexual overtones but neither has really been very vulgar in their sexual talk. The older Sagg he might get a little nasty with his conversation but he has been knowing me longer, The older Sagg is so GOOD in bed I can't even describe it in words. The younger sagg he is okay in bed but I think he is a little selfish, I think I get along with both well becuase they both are on the cusp and I wonder how it would be if they were not. Their is an 4 year age gap and me and the younger sag were born the same year with me being 12days older and he always tease me that I am an old lady but he looks older than me Lol. I don't really see the differences in the maturity level with the two but with the placement I notice a differences in how they approach relationships. The older sagg he came in strong but I must admit I played games at first and it through him off so now we are rebuilding and we love each other for sure but he is unsure and I can understand so he gives me a hard time which causes are differnces. The second Sagg he calls all the time and gives me a lot of attention he gives me what the first Sagg doesn't, the second sagg he gives me all the things the first Sagg won't at the moment but sexually with the second sagg I am not there it's good but it can be so much better. And I haven't been with the first Sagg in 2months but I remember very clearly how good he is.

"They both remind me of each other in how they talk, are very hardworking, and adore their kids and their conversation is good with sexual overtones but neither has really been very vulgar in their sexual talk."

I find this in common in both too, but the younger does it so much when I'm simply trying to get in a conversation that's meaningful. Maybe cause I haven't given in to him. I just wish he was more mature or smooth or cool in his approach. He would've gotten it a few months ago; but I haven't given up on him yet because I do see qualities in him that I see in the older and I LIKE!


"the second sagg I am not there it's good but it can be so much better."

Which by the way with the older the sex is "SPECTACULAR"!!! LMAO!!! So, maybe, just maybe, as long as the older is giving me what I need (AND HE MAKES SURE HE DOES) I can keep the younger on cool and get to know him a little bit better! Because like you, if I do go there I don't think there will be fireworks! AND I WANT FIREWORKS because I have seen what he's working with.

My guys are opposite, the older Sagg will joke when I am being serious and this throws me off a lot with him. Then when he wants to be serious he wants me to be serious, I know between the two the older has the most potential but he just has to grow up a little so I just want to keep myself busy while I am waiting things out also he is and has been witholding sex from me as a form of punishment I guess cause he know I like it, it has been two almost three months since we have been sexual it's pissing me off thinking about it and believe me he know this(piscs moon).

The younger sagg is cool as hell, we have been hanging out like every weekend. Our phone conversation are cool he can be deep also and he has taught me a lot like his philosphy that something I love about Sagg they can you teach you so much and the conversation can go on for hours.

Posted by scorpdiva
Well right now I am dating two Saggs one Nov 23, 1974 and the other Nov 25, 1978. They both remind me of each other in how they talk, are very hardworking, and adore their kids and their conversation is good with sexual overtones but neither has really been very vulgar in their sexual talk. The older Sagg he might get a little nasty with his conversation but he has been knowing me longer, The older Sagg is so GOOD in bed I can't even describe it in words. The younger sagg he is okay in bed but I think he is a little selfish, I think I get along with both well becuase they both are on the cusp and I wonder how it would be if they were not. Their is an 4 year age gap and me and the younger sag were born the same year with me being 12days older and he always tease me that I am an old lady but he looks older than me Lol. I don't really see the differences in the maturity level with the two but with the placement I notice a differences in how they approach relationships. The older sagg he came in strong but I must admit I played games at first and it through him off so now we are rebuilding and we love each other for sure but he is unsure and I can understand so he gives me a hard time which causes are differnces. The second Sagg he calls all the time and gives me a lot of attention he gives me what the first Sagg doesn't, the second sagg he gives me all the things the first Sagg won't at the moment but sexually with the second sagg I am not there it's good but it can be so much better. And I haven't been with the first Sagg in 2months but I remember very clearly how good he is.

does either Sag know that your dating other people?

Posted by LeoGal4Real
"They both remind me of each other in how they talk, are very hardworking, and adore their kids and their conversation is good with sexual overtones but neither has really been very vulgar in their sexual talk."

I find this in common in both too, but the younger does it so much when I'm simply trying to get in a conversation that's meaningful. Maybe cause I haven't given in to him. I just wish he was more mature or smooth or cool in his approach. He would've gotten it a few months ago; but I haven't given up on him yet because I do see qualities in him that I see in the older and I LIKE!


"the second sagg I am not there it's good but it can be so much better."

Which by the way with the older the sex is "SPECTACULAR"!!! LMAO!!! So, maybe, just maybe, as long as the older is giving me what I need (AND HE MAKES SURE HE DOES) I can keep the younger on cool and get to know him a little bit better! Because like you, if I do go there I don't think there will be fireworks! AND I WANT FIREWORKS because I have seen what he's working with.

as women, we hate it when men pit us aganist one another without us even knowing.

Well the first Sagg I told him even before I started seeing sagg # 2 that we would be better off as friends. After that we talk and he told me he love me and what not but we said let's take it slow and see what will happen, and he ask if I was talking to others I told him yes and he got upset so I haven't told him anything more about this other sagg. The first Sagg we don't see each other like I said or it's not sexual right now but we have love for each other and it may work out in the end who knows. Sagg #2 it's still early we know we are close friends at this point was his words, we live like two hours from each other and I begin our relationship telling him about Sagg #1 so yeah everything is pretty much out in the open and yes I am single.

I consider myself singing but dating both.... Now if a conversation was to be had with either where we decide to become serious and not see others than yes I would choose one. I would not seriously date them both.

singing should be single......

Posted by everevolvingepithet
They probably consider you single and worth one, but possibly not a keeper.

Maybe so and that's fine too......

I love me and I hate that women get a bad rap when they date men how they date us, I am living my life and loving every min, and I mean every minute of it.

i know. there is a double standard. and ironically enough, my scorp said i wasnt allowed to date like a man or date multiple people like he does. the only difference between me and him, im not throwing out the "love" card to anyone.

scorps have to take more responsbility. you guys have way too much passion to be casually sleeping around. your partners get attached very easily and scorps seem oblivious to it. and scorps wonder why they have stalkers or wonder why people who they once were friends with are now enemies.

scorps can sleep around and seperate emotions from sex. you guys OOZE emotion/passion.

scorps CANT sleep around and seperate emotions from sex. you guys OOZE emotion/passion.

but you have to admit, your playing the both of them trying to find out whose the best for you. in turn, you may not be the best for them.

Posted by scorpdiva

Well the first time I met with my personal trainer which was Sat and I text him telling him how sore I was and that the last time I was this sore it involve him(you know sex) so he replied I don't want to hear that shit you know I be thinking you doing other things. I replied no it's just the gym and we talk on the phone about it and he said that I am sneaky so I would use the gym as an excuse to do something else like cheat. so I just had to reassure him that is not the issue ....

That comes from the other thread ... and it doesn't sound to me like he knows you're sleeping with men other than him ... because if he knew then the word "cheat" wouldn't have been a fear of his .. and second, why would you then have to reassure him that it isn't the issue?

When you say in here that he knows about the other .... yeah, that's a lie.

damn damn damn.

P Angel is making some darn good points.

hence the bad reputation that scorps get.

Posted by DMV
i know. there is a double standard. and ironically enough, my scorp said i wasnt allowed to date like a man or date multiple people like he does. the only difference between me and him, im not throwing out the "love" card to anyone.

scorps have to take more responsbility. you guys have way too much passion to be casually sleeping around. your partners get attached very easily and scorps seem oblivious to it. and scorps wonder why they have stalkers or wonder why people who they once were friends with are now enemies.

scorps can sleep around and seperate emotions from sex. you guys OOZE emotion/passion.

Yes this I know, but like I said with the Sagg #1 there has been no sex for months, we have been doing more communications trying to get an understanding before we go there again. With Sagg #2 we see eachother on weekends and we have only been knowing eachother for about a month and we have only spent two weekends together which one there was no sex I can see him getting attach though after this last weekend so I know I will need to take responsbility with him and just let him know that I still have feeling for the other sagg. With Sagg #2 it's long distance so I guess I think it's less chance for this relationship to evolve which is my mind makes it okay......

sag #1 isnt sleeping with you anymore because he feels like something is up with you. one thing saggis will do is stop having sex with someone who has the potential to hurt them and who is being un just. when things dont feel right, we stop having sex with the intended person. male and female saggis do this.

i stopped sleeping with my leo ex because i knew he was sleeping around. all the signs were there except actual proof. i felt like i couldnt have sex with him anymore, he had become tainted and my feelings had changed. no matter how much talking we did, in my lunar scorp mind, he was no longer pure to me and didnt deserve to feel my emotions through sex.

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Posted by DMV
i know. there is a double standard. and ironically enough, my scorp said i wasnt allowed to date like a man or date multiple people like he does. the only difference between me and him, im not throwing out the "love" card to anyone.

scorps have to take more responsbility. you guys have way too much passion to be casually sleeping around. your partners get attached very easily and scorps seem oblivious to it. and scorps wonder why they have stalkers or wonder why people who they once were friends with are now enemies.

scorps can sleep around and seperate emotions from sex. you guys OOZE emotion/passion.

You kinda made one point then contradicted it with the following ones.
I don't want to sound trite but that 'people hate on others what the see in themselves' thing sounds fitting here. 🙂

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bingo my friend, bingo.

how could my scorp get mad at me for doing to him what he had been doing to me for months (without my knowledge). he got a taste of his own medicine. and rightfully so, so did i.

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Posted by scorpdiva

Well the first time I met with my personal trainer which was Sat and I text him telling him how sore I was and that the last time I was this sore it involve him(you know sex) so he replied I don't want to hear that shit you know I be thinking you doing other things. I replied no it's just the gym and we talk on the phone about it and he said that I am sneaky so I would use the gym as an excuse to do something else like cheat. so I just had to reassure him that is not the issue ....

That comes from the other thread ... and it doesn't sound to me like he knows you're sleeping with men other than him ... because if he knew then the word "cheat" wouldn't have been a fear of his .. and second, why would you then have to reassure him that it isn't the issue?

When you say in here that he knows about the other .... yeah, that's a lie.

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Yes P-Angel good point.
He know I am taking to others, I didn't say he know about the sexual relationship I just had this weekend no he doesn't know, but come on I am a scorp we having been doing each other so he should use common sense.

Posted by everevolvingepithet
Women do it to prove a point then wonder when it doesn't work like it does with men, no matter how the say otherwise, generally speaking 🙂

true true.


i used to sleep around but emotions stayed seperated on my end. tbh, its worked for me because i wasnt trying to seriously date any of those guys. we were all each others booty calls.

Well My Older Saggi knows that him and I will always be "whatever we are for the moment". His words? "If you ever find the one, then I'll take whatever time you give me". He knows there's no one right now, but eventually there could be a contender.

The younger Saggi? He knows there's others waiting just like he is...waiting. I haven't been intimate with him and when I decide to, I'll probably not be intimate with the Older Saggi. I'll make that decision when the time is needed. I just don't see anything promising but a friendship.

I've never been able to be intimate with more than one person or go back and forth; but there's a first for everything! I'm not going to rule it out completely. HA!

Posted by DMV
sag #1 isnt sleeping with you anymore because he feels like something is up with you. one thing saggis will do is stop having sex with someone who has the potential to hurt them and who is being un just. when things dont feel right, we stop having sex with the intended person. male and female saggis do this.

i stopped sleeping with my leo ex because i knew he was sleeping around. all the signs were there except actual proof. i felt like i couldnt have sex with him anymore, he had become tainted and my feelings had changed. no matter how much talking we did, in my lunar scorp mind, he was no longer pure to me and didnt deserve to feel my emotions through sex.

Good point, I think this is true.......

Posted by scorpdiva

Posted by P-Angel

Posted by scorpdiva

Well the first time I met with my personal trainer which was Sat and I text him telling him how sore I was and that the last time I was this sore it involve him(you know sex) so he replied I don't want to hear that shit you know I be thinking you doing other things. I replied no it's just the gym and we talk on the phone about it and he said that I am sneaky so I would use the gym as an excuse to do something else like cheat. so I just had to reassure him that is not the issue ....

That comes from the other thread ... and it doesn't sound to me like he knows you're sleeping with men other than him ... because if he knew then the word "cheat" wouldn't have been a fear of his .. and second, why would you then have to reassure him that it isn't the issue?

When you say in here that he knows about the other .... yeah, that's a lie.

Yes P-Angel good point.
He know I am taking to others, I didn't say he know about the sexual relationship I just had this weekend no he doesn't know, but come on I am a scorp we having been doing each other so he should use common sense.

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ahh naw girlie. for real? you belive in those words you just wrote??

"I am a scorp and we having (havent) been doing each other so he should use common sense."

you just played out your zodiac sign and your perpetuating the negative sterotype that scorps have been branded with. what you basically just said was "im a scorp and i need sex. since hes not giving it up, im going to get it from someone else and hes to dumb to put 1 and 1 together."

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Posted by DMV
i know. there is a double standard. and ironically enough, my scorp said i wasnt allowed to date like a man or date multiple people like he does. the only difference between me and him, im not throwing out the "love" card to anyone.

scorps have to take more responsbility. you guys have way too much passion to be casually sleeping around. your partners get attached very easily and scorps seem oblivious to it. and scorps wonder why they have stalkers or wonder why people who they once were friends with are now enemies.

scorps can sleep around and seperate emotions from sex. you guys OOZE emotion/passion.

You kinda made one point then contradicted it with the following ones.
I don't want to sound trite but that 'people hate on others what the see in themselves' thing sounds fitting here. 🙂

bingo my friend, bingo.

how could my scorp get mad at me for doing to him what he had been doing to me for months (without my knowledge). he got a taste of his own medicine. and rightfully so, so did i.

How did he get as attached if he had a wifey though ?

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million dollar question. but he did. i mean not to sound like a total lameo but im not chopped liver. im a pretty good catch. 😉

some scorps think that own someone the minute they sleep with that person. tha person (myslef) is off limits to anyone else. not the case, he thought wrong.

Posted by everevolvingepithet
To me this is like variations on the same theme, club scene, girls gotta eat, I missed my calling as a skiing instructor (think about it), bored bored bored.
..and I refuse to ever pay for sex.

lol @ i refuse to pay for sex. we all pay for it, one way or another. pay to play.

Posted by DMV
scorps CANT sleep around and seperate emotions from sex. you guys OOZE emotion/passion.

I was hoping that this wasn't true as I can't shake this Scorp (Oct 27 1975). We had a brief intimate encounter - Kissing Only - and he swears there's so much there for him to explore. Initially I thought he wanted to just sample and leave; but I told him I was a little apprehensive and wasn't sure. He said he'd wait because he wanted all of me. I guess all of me was the "emotion/passion". I'm apprehensive because he looks addicting...LMAO!

Posted by everevolvingepithet
It's classier than a whore or having to go through the buying drinks/'girls gotta eat' shizz, that's just weak, plus where's the stamina gonna be on a full belly ?

Then skip the drinks and eats and go straight for what you're there for...why play? Be straight about it! Like you are in this thread...

Two mature adults? And all you're looking for is to get a piece? Why jump thru hoops? Then be honest. Let the other person make the decision if their up for it or not? Maybe Imma realist, but it may work. Maybe not with me, but it may work. LMAO!

"mange-minge" - Too funny! I might use that!

Well, it seems as if your buttons were pushed. Go get a cool drink.

Posted by everevolvingepithet
It's classier than a whore or having to go through the buying drinks/'girls gotta eat' shizz, that's just weak, plus where's the stamina gonna be on a full belly ?

having sex on a full stomach sucks ass

I like 3rd decan sags the best 😛

Posted by LeoGal4Real
So I have a girlfriend who introduced me to her bro-in-law(Nov 24) almost 6 months ago. I've tried to get to know him before I decide to move towards anything and the chemistry just aint there...he's absolutely handsome (beautiful eyes, bodied-up and almost 6 feet). Our conversations are mostly surfaced and when I try to dig deeper he realizes he's telling his "real feelings" and backs off with sex jokes. His arse is sexting all the time and our convo always have sexual innuendos. It was cute, but now it's annoying as hell. He's kinda all over the place and can't stay focused to finish a thought. I'm 9 years older...

My experiences with him are soooo disappointing, I kinda expected them to be like my "old friend" Sag(Dec 10) of 15 yrs who I guess is sure of himself and even back then at the same age as the younger Sag. He's 8 years older...

What am I missing here? Am I expecting too much from the younger one? I have no experiences with Sag, but these two and have no idea if this is typical behavior of the younger. They are soooo opposite it's amazing!!! Is the younger more immature OR is it he's more Scorp? Which bothers me because I have a Scorp hot on my trail that keeps saying he'll wait for me...uggghhhh!

Maybe it's just the age thing. I mean I couldn't imagine what an older man would think of me...

Posted by Sagittarius89
I like 3rd decan sags the best 😛

im a 1st decan. my sister is a 3rd decan.

im done with leos. too much ego stroking.

Posted by everevolvingepithet
I'd even take a Leo right now, and I having got the first frickin' clue about soaps, don't care about hot gossip, I've got more than one brain cell, I just know they get their panties off if you say their the best at everything...:/

You'd have to be VERY CHARMING to get the panties off and I really don't see you being able to pull that one off.

Posted by DMV
im done with leos. too much ego stroking.

Yes, this can be very exhausting. As I am not fond of MALE LEOs. I RUN FAST THE OTHER WAY!

Posted by Saggittarius89
Maybe it's just the age thing. I mean I couldn't imagine what an older man would think of me...

My older Saggi is 8 years older and we got along pretty well. As I am used to dating older men. I guess me trying the younger would just continue to frustrate me. Maybe I've got my own answer.

EEE - Do you have any insight on my original question? What can you tell me about "young saggi"?

All the crap about "typical leos" may work for some and not for others and I'd have to see your worth. Thanks for stroking my mane today.

I guess I'm going to have to research that a bit...

young saggi

Sag Sun
Moon in Cap (detached, serious. seriousness)
Merc in Scorp (guaranteed smartass, but cunning)
venus in sag (friends and lovers, lovers and friends)
mars in virgo (best sign for sex, esp oral...virgo pay attention to detail, this is going to count in the bedroom)

venus sq saturn, he has problems with relationships...feels unworthy...will age very well....late bloomer...his father was probably nonexistent....late development of social graces..*i have this aspect 2.

sun sextile moon. his ego is somewhat aligned with his emotional needs.

sun/mercury conjunct uranus. his ego and comunication style can be eccentric, erratic, and subject to sporadic changes.

venus conjunct neptune. he is easily fooled in love, easily led astray by deceptive partners!!!!

his venus is heavily aspected. trines mars and sextile pluto. he lives out passionate affairs.

i should note that those with venus/saturn hard aspects or venus in caps are prone to unhealthy sensuality. think strippers, porn stars, etc.

he is hard, and does not know how to express her emotions. he is frightened of showing her love, and this leads to disappointments, break-ups, lack of satisfaction. It is likely that he had problems with her mother, who did not know how to love him or give him self-confidence. he doubts, is suspicious and jealous. he will learn how to be happy in love, to be at ease with himself and to control his jealousy in the second half of hislife, thanks to an older person, who gives him his self-confidence back to her, so he can then trust others.

older sag

Sun Sagittarius
Moon Gemini (his emotions are light. not as deep as his venus in scorp)
Mercury Sagittarius
Venus Scorpio (very sexual sign)
Mars Leo (very sexual sign)


*he also have venus sq saturn and venus conjunct neptune and venus sextile pluto. he not so much a take charge person, he has no signs in cardinal. very mutable.

jupiter opp uranus. He is too independent and his liberty is all-important. He lacks diplomacy, and his extravagance is shocking. He likes verbal battles and espouses extremist ideas in order to shock his companions. He has a number of internal tensions.

i would do some synastry.