Are Virgoes unable to understand Scorpios

or other water signs? My bf said that he thinks we just have very different thought processes and that he is afraid sometimes our relationship will never reach its full potential because I can't understand him though he feels he can understand me. Do Scorpios just feel Virgoes are too much into analyzing everything? We had a long talk about everything and he said that he is sad that I feel like just because he is very sexual that I see him as seeing me as a sex fantasy (I told him about my Pisces ex but I didn't say I felt like he had the same feelings as my ex.)

LOL! I think it is true. We are a different breed and I think we get on our own nerves sometimes! What is your sign Elena?

Aaliyahclone,

I'm a Virgo Man married to a Scorpio Woman -- two years in OCT!!

Verbal communication between these two signs is tough in the beginning. It does get better, so if y'all can hang in there, both of you will "understand" each other eventually...

Scorps "get" Virgo because we're logical, practical, & honest. They like that! Our emotions are not as easily read, but Scorps are perceptive enough to get most of those, too. It's tougher for us Virgs. Scorps think, but not like us. My Scorp is always saying, "You think too much!" What she means is, she would like me to Feel, and then Act on those feelings, without having to stop and analyze every single bit of data first...

Scorps pick up on as much detail as we do, but it's in a different area. EX: After Debra & I have been to a party, we "compare notes" on the people we interact with. I tend to remember all the things that were said, while she'll remember how they were said, and the meaning she extracted from the person's "attitude" while speaking...

...he said that he is sad that I feel like just because he is very sexual that I see him as seeing me as a sex fantasy...

I don't have to tell you how sexual Scorps are. In fact, back when we were dating, our best conversations were non-verbal -- not just sexual, but our sexual compatibility gave me faith that the other wrinkles would iron out over time -- and they did.

Scorps & Virgs turn each other on. They like our "chastity" - and love to seduce us to the dark side! My Scorp is happiest when she can get me to lose control of myself, almost to the point of being reckless. I have to be careful - she's a very petite 4'11" and I'm a foot taller and almost 100 pounds heavier! - even though I know she loves to flirt with disaster...

elena90: I think virgoes are unable to understand anyone.

Pure. Bull.

Thanks, Darlin'!!

...he is afraid sometimes our relationship will never reach its full potential...

I've heard something similar before from my Scorp. He wants you to loosen-up, go with the flow sometimes, and not nit-pick everything. If you can trust him, you'll learn to relax, and he'll reward you for it. Then, he'll start to trust you, and you can teach him how to channel some of that emotional energy in ways that you like...

It takes time, and patience, and it seems to get better (for us!) as we grow older...

Glad you agree.

Yes... I agree you're full of... yourself Bullette!

Aaliyahclone,

Just a bit of advice about elena90 / newbie / whatever the hell she calls herself next: She's hypercritical of Scorpios, even though she's supposedly married to one, and an overall wise-ass without the wisdom. She's the P-Angel of the Earh Signs on DXP...

Take her with a big grain of salt...

She's the P-Angel of the Earh Signs on DXP... = She's the P-Angel of the Earth Signs on DXP...

Hi, um, Dyarstybe? Sorry, I will just call you Dyar to make it easier, if that is OK. Thanks for your response. I think it is wonderful how you and your wife have been able to get each other's communication level and thrive. But I have to agree with Elena and say I feel it is different with a Virgo woman. But as a Virgo, you know we hate to be fooled. I was fooled and humilated badly by my Pisces ex and I never EVER want to go through anything like that again. It is hard for me to go with the flow because to me certain things don't add up. As a Virgo, I will ponder HOW someone can spend three days in a row with someone and then not contact them for a day. That makes very little sense to me. And our conversation over the weekend, I told him I wish I'd waited longer to sleep with him because i felt like it set the tone for our relationship and that other than my ex, I'd not slept with anyone. He asked me if I wanted to sleep with him when I did and I said yeah, but I still feel like we should have waited. He said that if I'd waited because I "felt" like it was the right thing rather than "believed" it was the right thing, he would've seen through that and been questioning whether he could trust me.

I think just for me, a Scorpio's way of "doing" things is so foreign to me. When I am in love, I want to show the person I am in love with and he is saying he is not that way but it does not mean he doesn't love me. I do not understand that and I know that to be with him, I will have to, but I don't know if I'll ever understand that.

AC, it is sad that you were used that way. Have you considered getting some professional help with moving on? Cos the way you're going, this guy WILL run out on you, fulfilling your doom-laden prophecy, then you will have TWO guys in your past to measure the next one against...

At the very least you could do with Googling 'Positive Affirmations' and usin them. I'm sure you are a beautiful, big-hearted lady who should serve herself and the world better than to live in suspicion cos of one LOSER.

All the best as you go on with this relaitonship.

SAV x

f_s: What I meant by dark side is Chaos - in the original Greek mythological sense of the dark open Ocean with no land. In other words, she wants me to leave the Beach, and drift away with her on currents I don't fully understand...

Thanks fumingli_scorp. I hope that it works out with you and your Virgo man. We are sometimes prone to saying things to throw others off the track because we do not want to be hurt. I think the real test is if you can see through the stupid shit and I think that Scorpios are really able to do that. It makes me happy because it keeps me honest cuz I know he will see through me!

FuckinA, it is interesting because I am sort of bad at reading and deciphering people. Family, yes, but strangers, not really. I know it is supposed to be a Virgo strength, but it is not really mine. Oh, and thank you for explaining in my other thread about my chart, I really appreciate it and a lot of what you said is very true for me.

I hear what you are saying about my prior situation and I agree that it colors it too much. But to me, there are just certain things that seem off, feel me? Like yesterday we got into it to begin with because he was away all weekend at a christening. Yesterday my uncle told me that a client of his with season tix to a game wasn't going on a certain date and would I like to go with a friend? The seats are amazing and my bf likes baseball as well so I sent him a facebook message since I didn't know when he'd be back from the christening and usually when he does an all-weekend family thing, he is tired. I told him about the tix and to let me know. Well, I don't hear anything which I don't find weird, but then I see he changed his facebook status, so i knew he had to have gotten the message. Still don't hear anything. Then I start getting antsy. Him signing on meant he was home but he still hadn't called me or anything and was not acknowledging my message.

So I text him what's up. He texts back right away that he's home chilling and everything was fine and what was I doin. So we chit chat over text for a little while then I bring up the message and he's like yea, I saw it, I don't know, I might be going out with Joe that day cause he has to go back to college the next Monday. And I said that's cool, but you couldn't just say that to me? And he said he didn't want to say anything until he was sure about it. So then I realize he wasn't going to bring up the message at all until I mentioned it. That just seems suspect to me and makes me think he is reluctant to do couple-like things with me which makes me think he is just in it for ass. Why not acknowledge a message that requires a response? I find that suspicious. The Virgo in me sees no logic to

SAV, I saw a counselor for a while after my Pisces ex. It helped some but not completely. I hope to be able to fully trust again because this is exhausting to me. It may seem like Virgoes like analyzing ever detail but I personally do not but I can't help it. I want to give my heart but I see too many red flags or what to me seems like red flags because my Virgo logic cannot understand the Scorpio logic.

FA: I really think you've got too much time on your hands if you're analyzing this much.

We analyze everything - especially when our hearts are on the line! We also tend to expect others to behave as we would. I call my Scorp at least once each day, regular as clock work. And even though she'll pick at me about it, she loves it - it's another example of how she can count on me...

AC,

Your Scorp won't look at it the same way you do. He's probably thinking things are cool after spending so much time with you. Uh... you could call him... My Scorp doesn't call most people - they call her all the time!

...my Virgo logic cannot understand the Scorpio logic...

That's because there is no Scorpio Logic -- not the way we understand it. So much of their mental processing is intuitive or way below the surface. In time, you'll understand that better, but I know from my own experience that it's frustrating at first, and makes you wonder if it's ever gonna work out...

That's why I suggested she call him. I don't think he'll mind.

AC,

It sounds like he likes you. He wouldn't talk about potential relationship problems, and his desire for y'all to connect mentally if all he wanted was your body...

I understand that you've been hurt, and that you're understandably reluctant to try & trust again. Here's where a Scorp can really help you! They are the Feeling Sign. If you'll let him in a little, he can help you get past the old pain...

Elena, I appreciate your advice, I do, but the cutting remarks hurt my feelings. Yes, I am struggling to understand him. I came here for help and advice. I am glad that you, as a Taurus, understand Scorpios. I mean this sincerely - Virgoes admire people who can "get" things we don't. We think that's pretty neat. Sadly, I'm not a Taurus. My parents got it together to get me born in late August, not April or May, so I don't have Taurus insight. So I ask for your help, not scorn or disdain.

Maybe it won't work. I've no idea, and I know me personally, I don't bang my head against a wall if I feel something won't work out. My friends tried to fix me up with an Capricorn/Aquarius guy a few months after the Pisces thing. He was nice, good looking, fun, but we didn't connect. I thought he was too clinical in some ways and too aloof. I knew that we wouldn't connect really and I ended it. It was cool. I did not post on the Aquarius or Capricorn board asking for help understanding him. I understood then as now that it wouldn't work and let it go. My heart is not telling me the same in this case. So here I am on the Scorpio board asking for help. If it is true that I, as a Virgo, will never "get" him, he will leave. Period. And there will be nothing I can do about that. I understand and accept this may be the outcome, but Virgoes - at least this one - are all about self-improvement, perservering and understanding. It is possible that there is something IN ME that is blocking me from "getting" him. I cannot say that I would be asking these questions if I had a different ending with my ex. I don't know. I'll never know that. Again why I am here. In talking about this with people who are more versed in Scorpio personality than I am, I am learning a lot and trying to figure out whether it is just a Virgo/Scorpio incompatibility OR if I am getting in my own way.

I really appreciate all the responses.

Also, I love Tauruses. My dear dad, who I lost a year ago next Wednesday, was a Taurus and one of the nicest men ever made. I really do love my fellow Earth signs though I have never really had any troubles with any signs in particular.

Elena, I'm sorry if I misconstrued your post. What I mean is that I appreciate the advice and I accept that I have issues. I never said I did not. Yes, I am cooking my brain to understand and maybe that is my downfall. This is something I would not have learned otherwise. With my ex, he did all the "right" things, as I said to another poster. But he was a liar and a fraud. I thought I "felt" him, too, and he fooled me.

I do try to "feel" my Scorpio and I know he listens to me. I remember I once told him something and he changed the subject right away so I thought he wasn't listening or paying attention, but then a couple of weeks later, he brought up the same subject verbatim. And during the three days of bliss, we went out and it was pouring. He drove me up to the place and let me out so I wouldn't get wet, then he parked and got wet running to the place. When we left, it was raining even harder. He told me to stay put and he went and got the car and brought it to me so I wouldn't get wet. I thought it was so gentlemanly and I remembered early on I told him that I sometimes felt like I was born in the wrong century and that I would be at home in Victorian England or places where chilvarly wasn't dead.

FuckinA is right, he was tired and was going to get to me when he could, but I guess I am just too paranoid for my good, which does not help. He has pulled away before fearing as he said he couldn't be the man he wanted to be with working so much. I always heard a man in love will make time for you no matter what, so when he came back full force, I thought he had decided to make the time, now he's pulling back again, which makes me wonder if he's doing just enough to keep me on the string. I'm not saying this is what he is doing, but I am saying this is what I am THINKING. I do look at his actions - but they are confusing. On the one hand is the man who opened a car door for me, pulls out my chair and won't let me get wet in the rain. On the other hand is a man who won't call me for a day or two and won't answer a message of mine inviting me out. If, Elena, you are saying I need to navigate these two sides, then I will be the first to admit that I don't know if I can do that.

I feel amazingly loved. His whole focus is on me. I remember leaving to go to my temp job and he was still in my bed and watching me get dressed. I can't really describe it, but when I saw the way he looked at me, I knew he loved me, even though he hasn't said anything remotely like that yet. Then he made a joke at how I looked so innocent and sweet and that my bosses would never think to look at me how freaky I can get. At first I thought it was sort of a shitty thing to say, but then I wondered if he was just trying to lighten the mood because he saw I noticed how he was staring at me.

He's definitely one of a kind. He reminds me in many ways of my dad, who I really miss. They even played the same sports in high school.

E-K: Ask Dyar, ask him how many times he and his wife have arrived at the same conclusion as him about something, with her being the intuitive/imaginative one and Dy the analytical/logical one...

ALL THE TIME!

We want basically the same things at the end of the day. We just have very different ways of expressing those desires, and attaining those ends...

As long as each trusts & respects the other, those differences become Strengths, not Weaknesses...

AC: I feel amazingly loved. His whole focus is on me.

That's the way Scorps love - 100% . The intensity is amazing, and at times overwhelming, but it affects us like no other Sign...

She can help guide things along.

As can we on DXP. Lots of Scorps on this site got me to where I was now...

AC, If you'd read my posts from March / April 2006, you'd have found a kindred Virgo spirit on many occasions!

to where I was now = to where I am now

Oh... Great! elena's gettin all bullish again!!

AC,

I hope you don't think I'm telling you that you have to change to suit him. That's not the case. As your relationship grows, you two will affect each other, and help each other in all sorts of ways. But in the beginning, it seems to fall to Virgo to open up first with Scorpio - they're much more cautious / suspicious than we are...

E_K: I dont think its in the nature of a Taurus to question himself or his own beliefs on most matters, this is where things start to go wrong.

Yep... Sparring with elena takes me back 27 years to my Groovy Taurus Chick, and all the heated discussions we'd have. (And once the air got really hot, we'd settle our differences in the sack! OOoooooooooooooooooo yeah!!) But, would she ever back down? HELL NO!! Even when she was demonstrably wrong...

Some things never change, apparently...

It's cool, GB, us Virgs are just tryin' to corral-in one fine little heifer...

...we just whack you there and then.

I used to whack my heifer regularly... but that's another story!

Well spoken, Shaka: If we ain't correctin' ya, we don't care about ya...

Ain't Virgo Love a beautiful thing??

OK, GB... back to the original question: Are Virgoes unable to understand Scorpios?

Virgos can most certainly understand Scorpios, and vice versa. Just takes WORK... and TIME... and PATIENCE...

:: DY holds up both hands - drops mouse ::

Shaka,

It could also be that we're tied to the Fall and the Harvest - changing weather, lots of activity, and that makes us restless by nature...

Evan, I feel the way about Saggitarius and Aries that you do about Taurus and Capricorn. They seem like such fun, but the closer I try to get to them, the more it feels like there's just flash and dash on the surface and nothing else. I've only been able to deeply connect with Pisces, Scorpio and to a lesser extent, Cancer.

Lucky Libra: i dont think any sign understands a scorpio

Not so... elena90 / newbie has them all figured out - just ask her. Or, wait about 90 nanoseconds after this posts, and she'll tell you all about Scorps herself...

AC: I've only been able to deeply connect with Pisces, Scorpio and to a lesser extent, Cancer.

So, you're drawn to Water. Nothing wrong with it. My best friend for 40+ years is a Cancer guy. We balance each other out. Romance between Earth & Water is trickier -- the stakes are higher! Like I've said before: My Taurus was my easiest love affair, and my Scorp was the most nerve-wracking!

f_s: What you may see as dark is actually the unknown to you.

And the Unknown has a negative connotation for Virgo. We like to know which way is up, and that's a lot easier standing on solid ground!

But I agree with you about Scorps. If Virg can trust, Scorp can take one into the deep, and it is well worth the effort.

E_K: ...breasts are the result of merely creme fraiche and butter from the mountains of Southern France...

How Virgo of you! So much horny detail!

I bet you'd idolize her.

Beware of the Golden Calf, Shaka!!

Such bucholic surroundings would be perfect for a bovine companion...

Maybe you'll get your Bull-ette yet!

f_s: The difference with scorp is, we give the virgo his freedom and even more...

Yes, and that's why I'm with a Scorp today, and not the heifer...

f_s: ...taurus loves ordering around and virgo seems to be happy at the beginning...

Well, in my case, I like a strong woman who can stand up to my bluffing -- that was a major attraction for me with Groovy Taurus Chick. (Not to mention her absolutely perfect curves!)

GTC had the most perfect ass I've ever seen... touched... kissed... licked... nibbled... caressedd...

What were we talking about??

Sounds like an Aries chick would be good for you, Shaka...

FYI: My Scorp is very sensitive to "little person" (she's only 4'11") & blonde jokes; otherwise, she's able to laugh at herself...

Your Scorp may be a control freak, Little Heifer, but mine is not...

No, f_s, GTC is Groovy Taurus Chick. She had a "delicious" ass - big, round, and firm - like an apple!

My Scorp is petite, shapely, and very firm. Absolutely killer thighs - strong as a gymnast!

Don't give up hope, Shaka! One of the VirGuys I work with has a HOT! Aries wife... They're older than I am, but you'd never know it from the way they act...