Moon in Scorpio DARK SIDE experienced

Hi I usually post on Leo boards because my guy s Leo Sun but he has Scorp Moon. Also Venis in Cancer.
Normally I am seeing his gracious warm and bubbly side 99% of the time.

But he freaked out on me yesterday in a way I can only describe as Scorpio Moon darkness and intensity. And it was creepy.

It all has to do with lack of trust. He has been burned by women. So he is always suspicious if I am out with friends or if I don't return his texts. But he never gets mad, he just states he is suspicious.

All of a sudden last 3 weeks he grew more distant stating he is having stress from work, and then got a new job which stresses him. He has been in touch via phone and text but finally he said he wanted to see me since sunday but i got a new job project and I coudnt see him.
He finally said he "gets of work at 10.. is it too late?".. I said yes if it after 10 by the time u get home. I asked for alt days and he said he could see me frid sat or sun. I told him sun I leav for a work project and friday is good. He said he would work around my schedule if I had pans on friday. So I said "I will free my schedule just for u. I do want to see u too"

Ok so last night I suddenly get a text that he would be home by 925 (well befoe my 10 cutoff time). I was caught off guard as I thought he said we would do friday instead.. I already was in the middle of something and said Icouldnt make it yesterday. OMG he then proceeded to flip out, calling me a BS queen and the shittiest and fake person he has ever met, and that I am like all the rest of the women he has met who have betrayed him etc... his ranting went on for one hour via texts and him resending my texts back to me to prove I was supposed to see him that night. He says "I bet you are fing some other guy right now... I hate you , f u, leave me alone, dont ever call me again, u wont see me anymore because I am suddenly busy etc..."

He then left me a voice mail saying the same thing and saying that he rushed from work and missed a cowrkers party so he could see me. And he rushed so he would make my 10 o clock deadline. He said now he is at home and miserable, and that I am a bitch.

OMG OMG!!!

Anyway, I am usually calm with him, so I just threw some clothes on and went straight to his place and buzzed him. He said "why did you show up at 11 npw i am in bed". I said "well I am not letting u think such vile things and be upset over a stupid miscommunication".

He let me in and we talked for 2 hours arguing about who was in the wrong. And he kept telling me to stop talking... he wanted me to say I was sorry. He said that would have stopped everything.
OMG he insists that there was no miscommunication, that things were clear. He told me I was insulting his intelligence.
Anyway it was an ordeal. Then he tells me he was sorry for being mean, and that he gets that way when he is pissed off.
What a wrath.

I mean I felt I coud handle him and I ended up calming him down and then we had wild sex. But still, I told him if he ever behaved that way again, I would be breaking up with him.
I still feel he had no right to be so scathing. At the same time I have heard Moon in Scorpios infamous wrath, and that u dont want to be on the receiving end of one. He was like Mr Hyde, and next thing u know he is laughing and calm by the time I was done lecturing him about control.

Anyway what do u scorpios think of this. This was verbal abuse wasnt it,and is this a good reason to leave NOW? Also the fact he could be so mean, does it mean he has met some other girl and was looking for an excuse to break up?

I am very bothered by this.

I dated a scorpio with a scorpio moon. These people are out of their mind with paranoia. Their dark side is bad. I have a leo moon and it was just too much for me.

OMG how many texts he must have wrote saying "I hate you, you don't know what friendship and love is... you worshoip money, your job, and other things more than me... Never call me. I hate you I hate you!!!"

Posted by eden 3
^ ya i have gone back & forth for hours & i luv when their game playing dont work out for em so they accuse u of doing exactly what they do...its a test u know ....keep hanging u can break him lol! dont give in let him be a big baby after u have ur say just make it clear ur right cuz any hesitation could get u killed (not literally of course) but they go for the jugular if they sense u being unsure of urself.

Thanks Eden. Man they are brutal.
I kept telling him I did no wrong, and then he started turning red and biting into his fist telling me to stop stop, because his hed is hurting!

That sounds just how my relationship was.

He's been very stressed. He needed you.

We have a very hard time showing our emotions and what makes it worse an even harder time asking to have our emotional needs met. So when he was asking to see you and you, not wrongly BTW, had your own things going on and couldn't see him, he took it as rejection, one of our biggest fears.

This does not excuse his outburst. This does not excuse his temper and it definitely does not excuse the name calling.

Now, at the risk of me being disowned by my fellow Scorpio Mooners I will let you in on something:: His outburst got him what he wanted which was to see you. Like a child we can act out eg; temper tantrums, to get what we want. 😉

eden 3 - I was writing my reply before I saw your posts.

Manipulation - 🙂 I was going to use that word as you're 100% right. I'm dating a Scorpio sun so I learned real quick to not even go there with him. So now when I "need" him I know how to ask. I've stopped pushing his buttons while trying to get a reaction (attention) from him.

As for us testing others, in comparison to a Scorpio Sun doing the testing we are novices as we tend to do it with too much emotion. Moons can get crazy dark, in the beginning my Scorp actually told me I was too intense for him! He has an Aquarius moon and I a Gemini sun so it's a very nice balance.

I apologize Babykaykesiam, I did not mean to hijack your thread by talking about my own relationship.

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Mussette and Drums,
Actually I really do feel I understand him as I have Sun conjunct Pluto in my natal chart which means I am in tune with Scorpionic energy. I wouldn't have headed on to his place out of instinct if I didn't feel in my gut that was truly what he wanted and needed in the end.
My only question is that I don't want this to lead onto more abusive behavior and how to nip in in the bud.
Fine balance between understanding and putting u with the behavior and being his oasis, vs looking like a doormat being his punching board each time.
How do I achieve the balance?

Like eden says, I don't want to be giving in to all his tantrums.

How do u make a Scorpo Moon feel understood, comforted without losing ur self respect and dignity, and staying strong at the same time.

thanks M and D! Beautifully written.

Scorpio Moons have a beautiful quality indeed. But so afraid to let in, this man.

Yes Respect he must.. but by his behavior and name calling, he doesnt seem to respect me, and I have been supportive and kind to him and tolerating a lot of stuidity from him.

It is very hard. Sucks so much energy.

After all last night I am exhausted, and after all that he writes on a female friend's myspace wall that "I miss u"... so after all that, guess he pulled away even more? Even after I listened to him, talked and calmed him down after his tantrum/
Difficult...
Last night, he said I have mixed feeling for u after tonight. I said do u want to date other girlss.. he said "sure I will now.." So bluntly.
Whatever I guess. So much for love and loyalty.

Posted by wtf?
(fuck sun signs..)


- his vision:
why should I trust anyone ? we're all greedy and unreliable..
life is like the jungle.. eat or be eaten..

Wow that is EXACTLY how he talks about life.

What I read about how to handle Scorpio Mooners:

"So much for scorpio moons. They want trust, unequivocal one. Blind trust if you may. If you let them know that you are walking into their lair, in awe and high spirits coupled with blind faith, trust and an equal dose of feigned ignorance; that would definitely make them sit up and take notice.

I think, based on observations and direct experience, trusting with cold detachment and never showing the intent to probe beyond what they're letting you into, would make the scorp moon open up. They love a poker-faced and disinterested reactions to their regular "shockers", so it helps to learn how to be oblivious to their weird, emotional ramblings.

And what about their legendary, frequent yet shortlived temper? Let them be. Let them trash and shout and scream as long as they can see you being cool and levelheaded about it. Raise an eyebrow if you must, just to prove your point. This is their deepest and probably greatest need - to be able to let out all their dark emotions and still be treated like an equal afterwards.

"Are you done? Ok, wipe your tears and I'm putting your seatbelt on. We're heading home."

That's me addressing my three-year old daughter with all her personal planets down to Jupiter all in Scorpio in the 8th house.

They have a strong need to be contained. And those of us who are blessed with the intensity that they bring to our lives should honor this need. I think this is how scorpios want to be loved and accepted.

They will repeatedly subject to the test our strength and willpower to contain them while we maintain integrity of character ourselves. Their lifetime trust is earned once we managed to do this while we carry ourselves with flair and ease in doing so. Should I say, not a single strand of hair out of place?

Having said that, dealing with a scorpio is its own reward. "

But since now he wants to see other girls, it is too late anyway.

Posted by eden 3
babykk *smh* he may be running away & don't believe all he says...ppsshh I have neva heard such shit... it's typically for reaction too..attention lk Sam said he will crawl back in his head after being hurtful to someone he loves then *crickets* then if ur lucky maybe an apology for that which they can't kick dirt over

in other words sometimes they just do things b'cuz *shrugs* they "feel" lk it

rememba our moon is our emotions it controls tides imagine what it does to an emotional psyche such as with scorp placement *shudders*

as m&d wrote they don't even understand themselves...I thought I knew it all til I met a scorp mooner..lol things have not been the same since

wow thanks Eden for that!
how r u not the same? have u been able to find that balance and it worked?

He was so weird and insane like sayng "I want the ring ur wearing, give it to me, give it to me now." OMG it's a silver carved ring, not expensive, andit doesnt even fit him (i have tiny hands)
He was like a 2 yer old literally.

He finally apologized after all that and hugged me. Yet the other girls thing he mentioned is still bugging me... I dont think he gets it either.

Posted by eden 3
u hang in there baby don't let that mean scorp moon boy get u low.

pull some of that air out on him and act nonchalant go quiet on him.

haha thanks.
Actually that nonchalant air thing I did is what got me in this mess to begin with. He called me fake!

Posted by Mussette_And_Drums
So let him see those other girls and go on with your life with a newfound sense of strenght and freedom. Because like that article says - having to deal with a scorpio moon is a blessing as much as it is a curse. We challange you to stand tall and cherish and protect your hearts. Those are lesson you should take with you for life.

But now I feel rejected. Used up so much energy pacifying him only for him to tell me he wantes to date others.. 😢😢

Posted by SamIam
He's been very stressed. He needed you.

We have a very hard time showing our emotions and what makes it worse an even harder time asking to have our emotional needs met. So when he was asking to see you and you, not wrongly BTW, had your own things going on and couldn't see him, he took it as rejection, one of our biggest fears.

This does not excuse his outburst. This does not excuse his temper and it definitely does not excuse the name calling.

Now, at the risk of me being disowned by my fellow Scorpio Mooners I will let you in on something:: His outburst got him what he wanted which was to see you. Like a child we can act out eg; temper tantrums, to get what we want. 😉

Thanks for the heads up SamIAM... well he got what he wanted... but where did that leave me? I want my control back now 🙂

Posted by eden 3
bbkk-im not the same cuz i have neva had to cater to an adult b4 im sarcastic by nature yet have to curb it a bit for him...im careful & guarded when angry around him cuz i know the outcome if i fumble (not pretty) i adore him & have done my share of apologizing to him as well...its just that they hurt deeply & if u care for one u really have to be bending & lack an ego i've learned about myself from him

i have a lot of air in my chart so its my "holding back" (what he calls it) that gets him. lil does he know it would be explosive it i did not contain what he is incapable of doing. and lk the scorp mooners said they lk a mystery soooo

lk i said in 1st post big babies (males) if ur motherly this works out perfect 🙂

& wanting the ring had nothing to do with the actual jewelry he just wanted to take it from "u" reaction based in evilness ...he just wanted to be mean

my friend said something horrible to me 😢 i questioned him on the only 2 reasons he would say such a thing

1. to hurt me
2. cuz he didn't want me in his life

i demanded an answer cuz i knew i deserved it. of course he said it was neither & felt horrible and apologized

so there was no truth at all in what he said it was just to be cruel 😢 and make me hurt cuz he did at that moment... oh we covered vengeful right?

Eden this is REALLLLY helping me! I am getting the pictire clearly. It really fits his behavior. Oh and he is Italian on top of that. He told me they have big tempers as well LOL
Wow...
Oh I am very maternal, guess thats good. 🙂
I like having the air in me.. I feel good when I detach and look objectively at things.
Didnt know it got to them so much!

Thanks so much for ur help!!!! 🙂🙂

Posted by Babykaykesiam
thanks M and D! Beautifully written.

After all last night I am exhausted, and after all that he writes on a female friend's myspace wall that "I miss u"... so after all that, guess he pulled away even more?

Last night, he said I have mixed feeling for u after tonight. I said do u want to date other girlss.. he said "sure I will now.." So bluntly.
Whatever I guess. So much for love and loyalty.

The "I miss u" post = nope, he wasn't trying to pull away, he was trying to get your attention, push your buttons and hoping you would get jealous and say "wtf?"

Mixed feelings = Trying to get you to state your feelings

"I said do you want to date other girls" = You can't ask him that and then get upset with his reply. Do you want him to date other girls? He can take this as either a challenge or rejection.

Another thing, he can probably feel that you are afraid to let him in and that's upsetting him. Scorpio Mooners are highly intuitive. He can also feel that you are fed up so he might be acting out as it's scaring him and yet he does not know what to do.

Posted by eden 3
Sam & m + d have been very forthcoming with personal apects I hardly think having the most emotional placement makes u psychotic just incapable of handling the turning tides at times...& swallowing a lot of water

if my friend was drowning would I save him?

i have & will continue to do so

these r not individuals who r incapable of much they r strong willed, passionate, creative...they r just misunderstood often due to their contradictions of self...

Eden u are a beautiful person. You Moon in Scorpio friend is lucky to have you.

Posted by scorpio_chic

Posted by Babykaykesiam

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He is psychotic.

I would be less concerned about whether he met some other girl and be more concerned about whether this is how he will always react in the future anytime you have an argument. That would be MY concern. Of course if you ask him, he's going to say no, and I'm sure he'd like to think that he could control himself next time but he clearly is not in control of himself and you can bet that if it happened this time, it will happen again.

I'm not telling you what you should do.. I don't like telling people what they should do. But if it were me, I wouldn't be sticking around to see if he'd flip out again.

I once dated a cancer sun with a scorpio moon and he once told me that if I ended up pregnant, he'd throw me down a flight of stairs or some 'strangers' would kick me in my stomach and I'd never know what hit me. I told him he was fucking crazy and I stood up and left his loft. He called me saying that it was a joke and I was too sensitive.. but you don't joke about shit like that. Hell no.

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Scorpio Chick, thanks yes this is the uther side of the coin to think about.
He told me I am the only one who pushes his buttons to the brink of this.

So why me—

I woke up this morning feeling light shit..
crying.
Thinking I didnt deserve any of that, and then to be told that he will see other girls now... Wow.

Babykaykesiam


My Gem tells me I go off on him once a week. I have went off on my Gem probably about 5 times in the 2 1/2 years we have been friends. Some of the things I actually meant other things I did not.

He told me the other day that "you are apart of my life, we have a very tight bond, but your temper and moods" *shakes his head*

I start to laugh and then he says "Thats just a part of who you are but boy can you spit out some words"

I started to laugh and then told him "Yea I know I can be a bit much. I told him after I go off and calm down I realized that I f'ed up really bad, and I should really work on that, and it is not right. Then I said after all that you keep coming back, and I respect that about you". He takes it, takes a step back, lets me cool down and then come back when he thinks I am feeling better and says "How are you feeling today" :-) Are you ok? :-)

I went off on him about 3 weeks ago and boldly told him while driving to the store or something "I know I was acting like a true bitch but I am not going to apologize for it" he chuckled and I went on to another conversation.

"omg thats right scorp lady has a scorp moon! i got nothing on u! aahh, c the gem can throw in some logic ;P"


Yea he does but damn I think about the crap I say to him and i still wonder why he is still around taking my verbally abuse. I know he really loves me and I am very very special person in his life.

I have been really good lately...LOL

Don't get it twisted my Gem is not the only one that gets it....

My son gets it as well he's a (Libra) and he fights back with me verbally but then being his mother, I tell him "Shut the hell up it's what I say and if you don't like get the hell out" LOL he gets so furious with me. He tells me all the time...."I hate living with you"LOL

I could not agree with you more.

I have come a long way with my emotions. :-)

Yea all is good in my world.

Job is going good
Just refurnished my whole apartment
The Gem is coming out of his shell
My son got a new job and as soon as he told me got a job I said "When are you moving out" he said "As soon as I can Ma, can I buy a car first?" I jut looked at him and said....I better see some progress and soon.

So yea all is good.

Hope all is well with you....

You guys are funny. Lightened my mood.

But hey like with ScorpLady, if I keep taking it and coming back, how can the man respect me? do u respect ur Gemini for taking and coming back?
Plus mean things said does affect a person over time... i dont want the battered wife syndrome. This is abuse, verbal/

Though I am feisty, I dished it back during sex.. i slapped his face a few times... hehe

Im scorpio moon... control freak, paranoique, uber jealous... I can turn crazy with rage lol.

"do u respect ur Gemini for taking and coming back?"

I respect him on my good days and on my bad days when he gets the abuse no I don't. Sometimes I get frustrated cuz he won't fight me back or stand up and his logic to see the good side gets in the way. Like what eden said.

The good part about our friendship is the space we give each other to be free and independent. So when I do see him, I show him a lot of affection, and he appreciates that. He tells me all the time I treat him really good. And I say to him "You think?"

I appreciate his staying power and I tell him all the time but he is the same way with his work. No matter how bad he stays and continue the fight.

When I don't apologize that means I meant what I said.

I always tell the men that I meet.

1. I am difficult
2. To know me is to understand me
3. Listen to me

These are 3 of the main things they must do, to achieve a good friendship with me. But mainly they must must UNDERSTAND ME :-)

"The intensity of his 'friendship' scares me even now. Without divulging too much, the Scorpio moon guy demands that I drop the guy that I happen to be in love with, and he gets intensely jealous/possessive if I give the one I'm in love with more attention than him. (Even though he thinks that, for example, virgo guy might be distant and not treating me right) But, still, you forgive the ones you love the most, more for their faults than the ones you don't love that way. I mean, I like my Sag friend who has scorpio moon/rising, but his idea of freindship is to argue with me and make me cry. He wants me to cry, and let it all out because I cry about the virgo guy and it intensely makes him angry. I think this is due to the fact that I give more love/attention to virgo guy and the possessive streak comes out of scorpio moon. So, well, scorpio moon guy scares me because he wants all my attention and wants me to cry so that he can get "closer" to me. This scares the shit out of me, because I don't like crying. And he already has a girlfriend, that he says he loves very much. And tells me that in order to get his girlfriend to get close to him, he has to make her cry too, and he feels so good that it allows her to get him to hold her and they share this intense feeling"

Sound more like manipulation.

I just picked-up on this thread. I haven't read all of it but, for the record...

My Moon is in Scorpio and I have some very dark, deep and intense emotional undercurrents. I get paranoid and have some trust issues, but I've learned to temper these things over the years as I recognize the damage it can do. Secretly though I still want people to occasionally inconvenience themselves or drop important plans to show me that I matter more - I need to feel that I matter more - though I don't show this and tend to do without because I know that one day I'll find someone who does think I matter more and will do these things without me having to ask for it.

He'll need years of personal growth to temper this behavior and that's if he even does. Ask yourself, are you willing to stick with him for years?

Sorry guys I took a short trip out of town for a few days to think, and got back late last night.

So I have been thinking a lot about all your kind responses. They helped me a lot!

Valeria, I am so sorry you are going thru the crap with the Scorp M

Posted by seavixen2
PLEASE READ THIS:

http://www.baggagereclaim.co.uk/are-emotionally-unavailable-men-narcissists/<BR>

GREAT article Seavixen... ya being a Leo doesnt help allay the narcissistic traits LOL!!!

Posted by VirgoM20
I just picked-up on this thread. I haven't read all of it but, for the record...

My Moon is in Scorpio and I have some very dark, deep and intense emotional undercurrents. I get paranoid and have some trust issues, but I've learned to temper these things over the years as I recognize the damage it can do. Secretly though I still want people to occasionally inconvenience themselves or drop important plans to show me that I matter more - I need to feel that I matter more - though I don't show this and tend to do without because I know that one day I'll find someone who does think I matter more and will do these things without me having to ask for it.

He'll need years of personal growth to temper this behavior and that's if he even does. Ask yourself, are you willing to stick with him for years?

VIRGOM20 thank u sooooo much, very insightful!

"He'll need years of personal growth to temper this behavior and that's if he even does. Ask yourself, are you willing to stick with him for years?"

GOOD QUESTION! I, by nature, am very trusting and loyal and faithful, and don't drop someone I care about over tantrums. I just want to be constructive and learn to tame the Scorpio Moon tsunamis. I want to be a haven for him if he would let me. I realize that I must be the strong one, as they need great emotional strength from a woman. Also as astrologer, Steven Arroya, says : Scorp Mooners are prone to "emotional extremism". They have a powerful need for intense experiences and passionate involvement. They strike out cruelly if they feel u hurt them. But they also hide what they truly feel. They need to feel in control so bad.
POWERFUL Need for a "woman who can be a bit of a psychologist, someone patient enough, and tough and fearless enough to help them dig out their feelings they're so afraid to show!".

Posted by oneoffour8888
isnt that what a relationship is, sticking with someone for years?

Hear Hear! Oneoffour, you are absolutely right. But there must also be mutual respect. That is what I want to achieve here as I stick to this...
But the moment there is no learning, or understanding or respect, it would not be healthy for me to stay.

So I have to see how he responds, as I try to understand him.

I must admit, this is my first experience with a Scorp Moon and my Pisces side is quite fascinated by his hidden feeling...

"learning, or understanding or respect"

Let us also add growth, real love, loyalty, and evolving and growing intimacy... these would compel me to stay.

"baby....respect, understanding, really, life is over in a heartbeat, stick with something till you either have a breakdown or die..haha....really though, life now is about 'moving on'....really, where are we 'moving on' to.....
"

oneoffour, I like the way you think. Must be all that water, neptunian and plutonium energy.
With lots of planets in 8th and 12th, u r very deep and introspective. Hidden stuff too, with 12 th house. You should develop ur psychic and intuitive abilities.

I know life is short. Yes what r we moving on to? Of course, Scorp Moon guy should be feeling just as much love for me too. Feelings have to be mutual to some extent, otherwise balance is lost, and one person could end up being a martyr.

So I should do my own "internal testing", to see if he truly wants to be wth me too.
I am patient, but not a fool.

PS Being drunk, u have been very insightful. Lucid, helped those 12th house buried thoughts come out better LOL

Posted by oneoffour8888
haha...hope this makes sense, seems it made more sense when i was having wine!!!!

You make total sense to me!
Then again I am both Mercury and Neptune ruled!
Kissses!!!

i am so ashamed lol

hmmm it's not so bad being a scorp moon.... oh yeah the dark aspects of it...😢

@ Baby > So I have to see how he responds, as I try to understand him.
I must admit, this is my first experience with a Scorp Moon and my Pisces side is quite fascinated by his hidden feeling... that's how we get tha ladies😛

Now keeping them and yourself sane is another thread altogether...