My fellow Scorpions with a Leo (Page 2)

Posted by kalin
Ok, this is my Scorpio sun talking. I know I am being extremely crazy right now.
Now it's a decision between trying to see him for one last time or not before I move. Even though he said 3-4, obviously I don't have the emotional stability.

What would you do?

a) pretend I didn't get his email and not respond (just disappear from his life)
b) email him back, but blow him off tomorrow (being an ass like him)
c) email him back, wait for him online tomorrow (risk being blown up again)
d) email him back, say let's forget about it (done!)

Leave it a few days and then I'd say opt for D... Or without being dramatic or emotionally charged tell him that you can't meet up with him.
You can miss him, and wish that things were different. Talk to us and write big saga's.
I have a tonne of empathy for you- I'm missing my ex today and was itching to get in contact, but after a bit of mental and email tennis about it decided to leave it (and my phone) alone again. It really won't help to see him again before you go will it? You've been down this road so, so many times and know that it'll just hurt.

Nothing is going to change before you go honey- just leave it and try to find peace! xxx

Posted by Jynja
The more I think about it, the more it dawns on me that it is easier for Scorpio women to bail out of a possible relationship with a Leo man.

Believe me, it is not easy by any means.

I think many expect perfection (circumstances and all) when they meet a Leo man and are quickly disappointed when there are multitudes of issues to navigate.

When emotions are envolved, my antennas go all the way up. I hate myself for that and the below...

...about Scorpio womens' sensitivity disrupting the growth of a relationship. You want something, including deep talks, as soon as possible. Yet, it takes a Leo man the perfect moment to shed the outer cover and show his deeper side. All it takes is some faith in him that he'll sort his shit out like a bawse. But, Scorpio woman wants the deeper talk asap and when it's not forthcoming as she wants, she makes quick assumptions including accusing the man of being shallow and bounces on him.

contains great insight.


In my case, I can't hope or wait for Mr. Leo to split his current relation.

There also are other means in play here.

For example, just this evening he was talking about some sales girl, age 21, coming to his door.

He said, suddenly he felt as if he has known her for a long time. He felt closeness in his heart.

My question is, What would you make out of this as a Leo woman?

Leo women are stronger. We stand strong in all situations and hold on till there's not another straw floating on the roiling seas.

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Perhaps this is the right way.

But the above with the 21 year old, scares and disgusts the hell out of me.

I cannot convince myself of why I should tie my trust and staying power in such relationship.

As much as I believe whole-heartedly, YES, HE IS into me. Something just feels as if I swallowed some fly.

Posted by LilliLou

I don't think we consider Leo's shallow!
I think its a case of our defaults being opposite too... Leo's need to be light and fun when challenged, but scorpio's go all deep and dark and still...

Its quite the conundrum isn't it?!

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Bingo!

Leo expects us to trust, but we need to be convinced.

I can't argue on the 'convinced'. I see it as my survival mechanism. It takes me longer than most to give away my heart fully. If any of the TESTS (consciously or unconsciously) fails to pass, that 'fail' has to be examined. It's a YES/NO process. I ask questions in my head until I come to some solution:

I either work on accepting or I work on detaching myself.

The danger is, if an early warning sign finds a logical explanation, I may convince myself. My antennas will still be high up. Now I am paranoid. I may snap at the smallest next incident. This may go on till it becomes necessary to detach myself.

So yes... I agree. I do get into a destructive mode when my love butterflies start flattering their wings.

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Posted by kalin
Ok, this is my Scorpio sun talking. I know I am being extremely crazy right now.
Now it's a decision between trying to see him for one last time or not before I move. Even though he said 3-4, obviously I don't have the emotional stability.

What would you do?

a) pretend I didn't get his email and not respond (just disappear from his life)
b) email him back, but blow him off tomorrow (being an ass like him)
c) email him back, wait for him online tomorrow (risk being blown up again)
d) email him back, say let's forget about it (done!)

Leave it a few days and then I'd say opt for D... Or without being dramatic or emotionally charged tell him that you can't meet up with him.

The above would be my approach too. You need to stick to your guns thereafter.

I hope your big move is for valid reasons and not part of escape.

I escaped in the past and that was my biggest mistake.

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*read OP, skim* *post*

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page 4: *thumbs up seraph*

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page 6: ................*eye roll*

*goes immediately to page 3*

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Either way. My switching back to friendship is not going very well. I'm jealous now and I say the stupidest things.

Many things went wrong last weekend for him. One of the bigger problems was his car split and he survived some accident on the highway. He called me complaining about his heart racing. His left arm was going numb. I suggested to go to Emerge. So I agreed to see him. We sat at the beach, watched the full moon and chatted till 3am. He felt better physically

but

why would he bring up that 21 yr old now?

WTH am I doing with him?

I snapped on him again tonight when he called. I said, :I was able to listen to you before, but now I can't be as neutral".

He went quiet. Obviously he had to go and we ended our conversation.

I want to let him go completely. All I feel is I'm sinking deeper and deeper.

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Posted by kalin
Ok, this is my Scorpio sun talking. I know I am being extremely crazy right now.
Now it's a decision between trying to see him for one last time or not before I move. Even though he said 3-4, obviously I don't have the emotional stability.

What would you do?

a) pretend I didn't get his email and not respond (just disappear from his life)
b) email him back, but blow him off tomorrow (being an ass like him)
c) email him back, wait for him online tomorrow (risk being blown up again)
d) email him back, say let's forget about it (done!)

Do you have any options at all for YOU?

*ME* I try to sweap off.

I'm not easy in blending myself in an 'alarming' situation. That's were 'self-destruction' and consequently destruction of *us* gains control.

I messed up a past relation (Virgo 5 years ago) just like this. I kept seeing myself one foot inside the door and one foot on the outside. I was fine-tuned into the warning signs. As soon as they presented themselves, I justified myself as being right. I panicked.

This is not the first time you recommended the *YOU* part, Jynja. This is something I need to work on. Perhaps this is my ultimate goal as my North Node happens to be in Leo.

@FUM:

DO NOT GIVE UP ON SOMEONE DEAR.

ALLOW YOURSELF TO BECOME VULNERABLE.

THINK OF WHAT'S IN THERE FOR YOU, SO YOU KEEP FINDING COMPROMISES FOR COMPREHENSIVE GOOD.


Thank you for your great advice. 🙂

Posted by kalin
Ok, this is my Scorpio sun talking. I know I am being extremely crazy right now.
Now it's a decision between trying to see him for one last time or not before I move. Even though he said 3-4, obviously I don't have the emotional stability.

What would you do?

a) pretend I didn't get his email and not respond (just disappear from his life)
b) email him back, but blow him off tomorrow (being an ass like him)
c) email him back, wait for him online tomorrow (risk being blown up again)
d) email him back, say let's forget about it (done!)

How about E. None of the above and ignore his ass and get a new man who wants all this deliciousness. Thank you. NEXT!

I don't even know why ya'll put up with some of this bullshit. It shouldn't be this difficult. Leave him, pack your shit, for real. And tell him "Look what you won't do some other man will." And when you leave your ass doesn't look back. Too many of you females are settling. You know how many men are out there and you're still messing with that douche? Yeah, NOPE. Gone.

Posted by Jynja

You have it rather wrong again. If you look at your Leo as light and fun in the face of a challenge, then you'll be sorely disappointed when he goes into a real crisis mode. Unless you're mistaking action, single-minded focus and ruthless drive for light and fun.

Have you ever seen a Leo man's business threatened? Really, please, we're not air signs at all (there's nothing light and fun about this man). Especially with earth and water moons, we can be super passionate and Leos have been known to play morality against its own self when we're set on a race.

See how the sun shines it's face to the world? Never take what you see as all that is going on. True, we're happy most of the time and willing to share that joy - but we're not clueless or confused.

In fact, in some ways, we're like Scorpios - we're squared after all, meaning we share similar characteristics that are manifested in different ways and which then tend to rub each other wrong. But thank heavens we're not quincunx like Scorpio and Aries, or Leo and Capricorn which is worse - we just don't go outwardly dark and still... it's harder for us because we have the responsibility of lighting the world no matter our issues.

You, on pluto, have it way easier.

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Jynja,

I never looked from this angle. If I understood right, my solution of compartmentalizing is quite accurate for me.

From how you described, I can see how much effort is envolved to keep the brighter side of life.

It is given to you and for someone like me, I have interpreted the bright side as easily discrediting.

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Leo man and I never went into 'deep talk' in all the years we seem to know each other. I usually heard him out. When his story affected me on an emotional level (like once his cousin's wife was coming strongly onto him), I was very passionate in uttering my opinion.

DON'T EVER.... get involved with someone from family!

She was trying to convince him that his wife is bad news for him. Wore short skirt without underwear by bending down in front of him. (She is a young chick!) Nuff said.

I was so angry. He stopped talking to me around that time, only to come back later thanking me.

Just recently he said, he was admitted to hospital for being under stress. No heart condition was found at the time during fall-out from wife

That's the time when I suggested family counselling.

In my heart I knew, things will not get any better.

Anyway, I'm off topic.

Just wanted to say, it didn't cross my mind in the least, the struggle a LEO goes through in times of dark.

Posted by Jynja
If you haven't realized a single theme in this thread, I hope you've all seen that the Leo man is not afraid to hurt you. He won't lie about how he sees things and what is going on, even if he doesn't spell it out to any of you. He is equally as black and white as you are.

Scorpios mask their inner core with sex
Leos mask their inner core with "light and fun"

You come up with invaluable insight, Jynja. 🙂 Thank you!

True... I mask my inner core with sex. Just realized I was having thoughts in that direction to LEO man. I had to stop myself.

So masking with "light and fun" is your theme.

Posted by Xin
I don't even know why ya'll put up with some of this bullshit. It shouldn't be this difficult. Leave him, pack your shit, for real. And tell him "Look what you won't do some other man will." And when you leave your ass doesn't look back. Too many of you females are settling. You know how many men are out there and you're still messing with that douche? Yeah, NOPE. Gone.

Agree.

Posted by Jynja
I hope Mercury is not square or something. 😛

@FUM - Kalin's situation is so different. She keeps including him in her plans. I just wanted to know if she has any options for herself that she would like to take.

LOL

What you said contains truth for me too. I'm in struggle between giving up our friendship for good or finding a way of resolving stability.

I know, sweety, it is for Kalin's situtation. Sometimes it is a fine line. I'm evaluating my extremes to find a way in smoothing the edges for mutual positive that can come out in the end.

It feels as forcing our limits to step to a next level of spiritual growth.

Posted by Jynja


We, in turn, bring Scorpios to their knees to draw out/enhance/coax their spirits alive again.

Cause, I really doubt those who have been with Leos would say that they haven't experienced a new burst of life - like a resurrection of their spirits, so to speak.

Most definitely!

He gave me something I never thought will happen to me again. I had burried my feelings and had decided for celibacy.

His certainty and eager of never giving up on me has turned me to him. As soon as I allowed it, I believe I can trust and hope again.

I wish he was free.

Symbiosis of this kind is bound to leave wounds and scars though....

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I'm expecting scars, however, I believe I will not regret in the future.

Posted by kalin
@FUM: I'm moving for school and also because my best friend for the past 7 years lives there. But of course, I feel a need to stay away from him and want to make it not physically possible for us to see each other in person.

If it's OK with you, would you elaborate on the escape you had, and why it was a big mistake?

PS. I moved to CO from MI because I couldn't stand my landlord--that was a real escape. She was divorced with no children. She was very sweet and considerate. She cooked for me, did my laundry for me (I never got to do my laundry myself, not even once), etc. But on the other hand, she was overly protective and ended up smothering me. She'd wake me up at 3am just to tell me something she thought was good for me. She'd pick out the outfit for me and pressure me to take her tranquilizers before my job interview. She wanted to know who all my friends were and wanted to hang out with us all the time... In the end it just got too much so I had to move away.

Kalin --

Since you are leaving for a good cause and with the help of literally distancing yourself, it seems a good decision to move away.


My escape was from Germany to a country that I didn't know would give me worse culture clash than I ever expected. I had burned the bridges behind me. I wanted to escape and hoped if I go far away, things will resolve. I had felt trapped at the time. Too much gossip... too much family pressure... then a boyfriend who broke my heart and I gave up all together.

I should have stayed and fought back and not take things so seriously.

Posted by kalin

Posted by FUM
Either way. My switching back to friendship is not going very well. I'm jealous now and I say the stupidest things.

I know how you feel... It's not easy, especially if we still have feelings.
I have only succeeded in staying friends with one ex without drama so far. He is a sag.

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Kalin 😄

I don't know what it is with SAGs. I can't stay angry at them. What an illusion though. They are more dangerous than the rest.

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Posted by Jynja
Yet, it takes a Leo man the perfect moment to shed the outer cover and show his deeper side. All it takes is some faith in him that he'll sort his shit out like a bawse.

This reminds me of something my ex said about a perfect moment and how much it affected him. I agree we are intense (hopefully its part of our dubious charm 😛) but I don't think we consider Leo's shallow!
I think its a case of our defaults being opposite too... Leo's need to be light and fun when challenged, but scorpio's go all deep and dark and still...

Its quite the conundrum isn't it?!

You have it rather wrong again. If you look at your Leo as light and fun in the face of a challenge, then you'll be sorely disappointed when he goes into a real crisis mode. Unless you're mistaking action, single-minded focus and ruthless drive for light and fun.

Have you ever seen a Leo man's business threatened? Really, please, we're not air signs at all (there's nothing light and fun about this man). Especially with earth and water moons, we can be super passionate and Leos have been known to play morality against its own self when we're set on a race.

See how the sun shines it's face to the world? Never take what you see as all that is going on. True, we're happy most of the time and willing to share that joy - but we're not clueless or confused.

In fact, in some ways, we're like Scorpios - we're squared after all, meaning we share similar characteristics that are manifested in different ways and which then tend to rub each other wrong. But thank heavens we're not quincunx like Scorpio and Aries, or Leo and Capricorn which is worse - we just don't go outwardly dark and still... it's harder for us because we have the responsibility of lighting the world no matter our issues.

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Sorry Jynja, careless use of the word light- as in wattage, not without substance. I know my Leo is equally intense, it is one of the things I enjoy about him. We've had many indepth discussions about ourselves and what drives us, analysed each other and I know what it cost him to present a confident outer persona.
And I have seen his passion for his business and his love for his daughter- fierce.

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In an analogy, we both are struggling with 'life' and go to a bar with the aim of dissolving. As a scorp I am in a dark corner, drinking red wine and arguing the ways of the universe with my BFF. He is at the bar, ordering shots for all and grinning. We both go 'home' and shatter- but the method/ manner is different.
I don't know if this is true for all Leo's... Maybe it is just that my ex is hurting and being hedonistic?

Posted by Jynja
I wanted to add this way over on the Leo board, but I need to constantly remind myself that I see things on two different realms - the physical and metaphysical - and it might not apply to everyone. But, since Scorpios are known to delve deeply, maybe you'll understand somehow.

I think, that life has an interesting way of pairing people when they really need each other. Scorpios give healing, and Leos bring life. It only seems right in my mind that a Leo's wounds will be magnified/revealed/revived when he/she is paired with a Scorpio, because that is the only way they can offer us healing. We, in turn, bring Scorpios to their knees to draw out/enhance/coax their spirits alive again.

Cause, I really doubt those who have been with Leos would say that they haven't experienced a new burst of life - like a resurrection of their spirits, so to speak.

Symbiosis of this kind is bound to leave wounds and scars though....

Sigh.

Double sigh...
I know that love is the only way my ex is going to heal, but he is fighting me every step of the way. He is scared of getting hurt again, being vulnerable, being read, being open...

Your take on this is awesome but will anyone make it out alive??!

Welcome to the club cunninglinguist (perhaps the best screen name here?)!

Stolen from a libra thread, but absolutely made me crack up...

Posted by Draumstafir
HUMOR FOR YOUZ!!!

http://www.ehow.com/video_4982945_end-relationship-scorpio.html

And lovely Jynja at least it'll be a memorable trip x

Posted by kalin
Ok, Leo was just jealous. We just talked online.

Me: so... what's the plan?
Leo: Before that
Me: ?
Leo: How have you been dressing with all these males drooling over you?
Me: Shorts
Leo: Shorts my ass
Me : Some guys like legs I suppose?
Leo: My roommate thinks you are good looking too.
...
Then he sent me the trail info.

hes saying this stuff to you when hes getting married next year—— Talking about loyalty n being faithful... I feel you are allowing him to play with you. Him jealous or not is not the point. The point is he wants to have his cake and eat it too. Friends with an ex would never work. If you sttill feel for him its better you " cut him loose " now..beefore you boost his ego even more.

Posted by kalin
Ok, Leo was just jealous. We just talked online.

Me: so... what's the plan?
Leo: Before that
Me: ?
Leo: How have you been dressing with all these males drooling over you?
Me: Shorts
Leo: Shorts my ass
Me : Some guys like legs I suppose?
Leo: My roommate thinks you are good looking too.
...
Then he sent me the trail info.

Hey lady, at least an answer stops the merry-go-round in your head... but what about the heart? I know you are going to do what you want 😛 BUT for my 2c I would stick to the plan and not go hiking.
It is like ripping a plaster off- do you want slow and masochistic or quick and be done with it—!
Oh, okay, don't answer that- you're a scorpio.

Silver lining is that you have an end date for the torture!

Let`s say, after the hike he doesn`t contact you.

You will be square one feeling pain and hoping you didn`t go.

Why doesn't he invite his 'wife-to-be'?

He wants to get into your knickers. Regardless if he likes you or not.

I think I'm realizing this with the LEO I'm friends with.

He stopped calling me.

Which is good.

I'm already flirting with other guys. Somehow there are Scorpio men showing interest lately.


Perhaps they are being dumped by their partners and looking for healing of the heart. Like I do.

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The healing part that is.


Yesterday a man messaged me from a site, where I am looking for my classmates in Germany.

He wrote:

Your smile is beautiful, but your eyes look sad if you are carrying past time pain in your heart.

I wrote back:

Are you a Scorpio or a Medium.

He wrote:

I'm Scorpio.


And let me tell you... I'm not attracted to Scorpio men, but this one just made me forget why I'm on that side.

Of course he is overseas, but hey... my butterflies are happy.

You definitely deserve better!
In the meantime I think you should also use this to take mental snap shots of what you don't need to put up with next round!!!
Sometimes when we are in these 'things' we know all the lumps and bumps, can see what everyone else is telling us, but still can't get out of it unless there is something dramatic and final- like moving 1609 kms away!

And just make him bloody work for every minute lady!