Would you take this job?

So I have the opportunity to apply for a higher level job (lower management).

Benefits: Double the pay, challenging work (i'm bored in my current position), have authority over staff that need to be whipped into shape

Hinderances: Will be dragged into Bullshit that my current boss has shielded me from that all managers have to deal with, on the radar (in my company the higher you go, the more aware UPPER management is aware of you with eagle eyes), the more you have to deal with the general public (and its at the time period where the weirdos in society keeps calling us.)

I had a taste of what it would be like today and had to do a presentation to a certain demographic and these people did not know how to conduct themselves. People argued in the middle of my presentation about having to purchase a parking pass. This is the kind of stuff management has to deal with all the time as they are the ones doing 99% of the presentations and etc.

I don't think I can do this...double the pay isn't worth the frustration!

What would you guys do in the situation? Would you apply for the job?

Take it! Conquer this challenge!!

Yes, the only way is up right?!

A Scorpio in a management position even a lower one not a good idea you Scorpios work the best behind the scenes you do not make good managers especially in a position where you have to deal with change on a regular basis.

My old boss and ex co-worker both Scorpios I had to save their a** so many times I got tired of it I wish they would have left things alone.

Scorpios can not and I mean can not roll with the punches you guys hate change, when change happens it scares the living s*** out of you. You can draft up a plan you spend hours trying to organize something then things change that's when s*** hits the fan because you are not able to adapt to changes then mistakes start getting made.

You control freakish nature gets in the way you want to control everything you can't delegate tasks you want to do it all. When I was at the company I worked at I got a project dropped on me I could handle it I tried to keep the Scorpio I worked with out of it but she got her nose into it. I forced her out of it she wanted to take control to impress the boss. I had 95% of it all planned and organized before she got her nose into it, did things work smoothly you bet they did everything I do works I've always been a leader.

This will be your biggest down fall: "have authority over staff that need to be whipped into shape" You will go get this position start rattling the chain and you will end up hated you will have the staff revolting against you.

I'm not degrading you I have experience with Scorpios in a work place they are best suited for tasks where you give them a project where they can work on their own. Do Scorpios get bored when they are not challenged you bet they do they are best to be part of a team not a team leader.

Like I said I'm not trying to stomp on your parade, I've been in leader ship roles for years I got plopped into them even I didn't ask for them. I like to be the guy that works alone, keeping an eye on employees is stressful at one point I was getting an ulcer or it felt like it. I was having a hard time keeping my temper in check, I don't like mistakes and I have little tolerance for people that keep making the same mistake.

My ex boss dropped the ball I got tired of him doing it, he was overwhelmed in the position he was in because he can't handle change because things were coming at him at all directions. Scorpios are not good at multi tasking its really easily for you to get overwhelmed.

I'm free of all that BS I'm back to being a one man band all I have to worry about is myself. As for the Scorpios I worked with both of them are getting a reality check on how much I did. The scorpio I worked with his hated by her co workers she's screwed. The other employees that worked with me miss me because I was a good leader.

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Like I said I'm not trying to stomp on your parade, I've been in leader ship roles for years I got plopped into them even I didn't ask for them. I like to be the guy that works alone, keeping an eye on employees is stressful at one point I was getting an ulcer or it felt like it. I was having a hard time keeping my temper in check, I don't like mistakes and I have little tolerance for people that keep making the same mistake.

My ex boss dropped the ball I got tired of him doing it, he was overwhelmed in the position he was in because he can't handle change because things were coming at him at all directions. Scorpios are not good at multi tasking its really easily for you to get overwhelmed.

I'm free of all that BS I'm back to being a one man band all I have to worry about is myself. As for the Scorpios I worked with both of them are getting a reality check on how much I did. The scorpio I worked with his hated by her co workers she's screwed. The other employees that worked with me miss me because I was a good leader.

my husband is like this. he has very very tolerance for idiocy and incompetence in the workplace. but he has to keep ALOT in.

*vry very LITTLE tolerance i mean.

Still knows me well. I hate change _?_. But working where I work where there is constant change has gotten me used to it

What I hate though is dealing with the weirdos or those who don't know how to conduct themselves. How these types of ppl act is frustrating and embarrassing.

I had to deal with such a type and I got frustrated today.

I would take the job in a sec, but I'm a capricorn - I actually felt excited, reading about the management problems that obviously need to be solved. 🙂

However.

I am actually going to say that I'm not too sure you should take it for one reason and one reason only: by the writing in your posts, you don't seem to want it.

I may ofc be wrong, and the only person who can answer that is you.

Maybe look for another job somewhere else or take this job and use it as a stepping stone to something you actually want. At least, I would encourage you to apply for it - that will give you additional time to think about it. I mean, just because you apply for it, doesn't mean you have to take it.

Good luck!🙂

Posted by HappyCapper
I would take the job in a sec, but I'm a capricorn - I actually felt excited, reading about the management problems that obviously need to be solved. 🙂

However.

I am actually going to say that I'm not too sure you should take it for one reason and one reason only: by the writing in your posts, you don't seem to want it.

I may ofc be wrong, and the only person who can answer that is you.

Maybe look for another job somewhere else or take this job and use it as a stepping stone to something you actually want. At least, I would encourage you to apply for it - that will give you additional time to think about it. I mean, just because you apply for it, doesn't mean you have to take it.

Good luck!🙂

Oh i have wanted it since i first heard about it going to be up for hire (its a new position) as I'm a productive person, I've been here long enough to where I'm probably one of the few people in the entire company who can actually make a difference but becuase we work for a highly political organization, there is constant BS that runs rampant mostly between management...

Becuase i'm not management right now, I get shielded from being dragged into the BS. But I don't know if I'm being primed for the position or its mere coincidence but management has been off and on involving me in their projects and responsibilities and I'm getting a taste (small as it is) of what they go through...and for the most part i love the challenge but I don't like dealing with the BS and the presentations to teh weirdos in society.

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Posted by HappyCapper
I would take the job in a sec, but I'm a capricorn - I actually felt excited, reading about the management problems that obviously need to be solved. 🙂

However.

I am actually going to say that I'm not too sure you should take it for one reason and one reason only: by the writing in your posts, you don't seem to want it.

I may ofc be wrong, and the only person who can answer that is you.

Maybe look for another job somewhere else or take this job and use it as a stepping stone to something you actually want. At least, I would encourage you to apply for it - that will give you additional time to think about it. I mean, just because you apply for it, doesn't mean you have to take it.

Good luck!🙂

Oh i have wanted it since i first heard about it going to be up for hire (its a new position) as I'm a productive person, I've been here long enough to where I'm probably one of the few people in the entire company who can actually make a difference but becuase we work for a highly political organization, there is constant BS that runs rampant mostly between management...

Becuase i'm not management right now, I get shielded from being dragged into the BS. But I don't know if I'm being primed for the position or its mere coincidence but management has been off and on involving me in their projects and responsibilities and I'm getting a taste (small as it is) of what they go through...and for the most part i love the challenge but I don't like dealing with the BS and the presentations to teh weirdos in society.

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Seems you are just the person to end the BS. Apply! 🙂

Also, if they have already put you in the position to deal with the above, they will probably have pretty good insight into how you would deal with "the real thing." We can only say so much on this board, but they have actually seen you in action and I'm pretty sure they wouldn't hire you unless they felt you would do great in that position, and noone would be great in any position they would hate to be in. It being a new position could prove to be very beneficial to you as well, regarding this, seeing as you would probably have some power shaping it. Again: apply! 🙂

Lets put it this way what will happen if you take this job you put in a lot of effort and nothing happens all your hard work doesn't get recognized? You know damn well you are proud of your skills and accomplishments you like proving yourself that you are good at what you do. What happens when that doesn't get recognized? You will start turning bitter and frustrated, a bitter and frustrated Scorpio woman is dangerous in a work place you make the people around you miserable and moody.

A Scorpio woman or at least the one I worked with you pull the wind out of her sails she would feel upset and hurt. She couldn't pick herself up and dust her off easily, with me it was f*** you a**holes I will get you (management) back and let something f*** up. I would try save them money they wouldn't like my idea so I made sure it cost them double. It might be the passive aggressive in me when I know my way works I push it I will teach people a lesson I like saying a told you so.

Scorpio woman have a lot of pride if somebody takes a hit to their pride it knocks a Scorpio back. You start being critical with a Scorpio they shut down they don't take criticism well they don't use it to better themselves, Scorpio women don't seem to have thick skin they can't let things roll off their back.

The best place for a Scorpio woman to work is on her own give her a project something that challenges her and something that she can complete with out other people getting involved. You get somebody else involved then the control freak comes out of the Scorpio. You don't give her menial tasks she will get bored and she thinks you don't think she is good enough, you start doubting a Scorpio's abilities it hurts their pride. Trust me Scorpios DO NOT jump feet first into things if they doubt they can do the job they won't do it. I've seen the Scorpio girl prairie dogging it when I put her in a uncomfortable situation, I would do it just to see what she would do.

The co workers I worked with watched me work they were always amazed how fast I could think on my feet ya it wore me out mentally afterwards but things can be bang bang bang things fell into place.

Posted by Stihl46
Lets put it this way what will happen if you take this job you put in a lot of effort and nothing happens all your hard work doesn't get recognized?

Question: why would you assume that will happen? Just her getting the job would be a case of her hard work having been recognized. What makes you think she wouldn't shine at this job?

Yes, what will happen if her hard work won't get recognized? What would happen if she goes to the store and breaks her foot? Maybe she shouldn't go to the store?

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Posted by Stihl46
Lets put it this way what will happen if you take this job you put in a lot of effort and nothing happens all your hard work doesn't get recognized?

Question: why would you assume that will happen? Just her getting the job would be a case of her hard work having been recognized. What makes you think she wouldn't shine at this job?

Yes, what will happen if her hard work won't get recognized? What would happen if she goes to the store and breaks her foot? Maybe she shouldn't go to the store?

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When you are in the lower management class all you are is a yes man you really don't have any say in things you are the person between the upper management and the disciples you will always get s*** on by upper management and you have to deal with the employees. The employees will always be you were one of us now you are part of the enemy. To be in a position like that you have to have to have thick skin.

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Lets put it this way what will happen if you take this job you put in a lot of effort and nothing happens all your hard work doesn't get recognized?

Question: why would you assume that will happen? Just her getting the job would be a case of her hard work having been recognized. What makes you think she wouldn't shine at this job?

Yes, what will happen if her hard work won't get recognized? What would happen if she goes to the store and breaks her foot? Maybe she shouldn't go to the store?

When you are in the lower management class all you are is a yes man you really don't have any say in things you are the person between the upper management and the disciples you will always get s*** on by upper management and you have to deal with the employees. The employees will always be you were one of us now you are part of the enemy. To be in a position like that you have to have to have thick skin.

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I completely agree with this. But maybe she can handle it. Fact is, if you can handle a lower management job, you can pretty much handle anything. Thing is, it all depends on where she wants to end up, because if she eventually wants to rise higher up in the management sector, she is going to have to start somewhere, "paying her dues." If nothing else it's very good experiance.
But. If she does not want to rise higher and/or if it would cost her too much(emotionally), then of course she should look for a job elsewhere.

If she wants to take the job she should have a clause that says she can return to her old position if she feels the job is too much, she should see if her bosses will let her have a trial period. The thing is you maybe getting double the money but money can never remove the effects of stress.

I've been in a position where there is stress you can never leave work at work it follows you home you never stop thinking of tomorrow and all the BS you are going to have to deal with. The nights where I never got any sleep because my mind wouldn't turn off.

lol stihl46 must have biases towards scorpios LOL

@happycamper and @stihl46


The company i work for is highly political and full of bs. I mean even though i'm non management and not exposed to worst of the worst...i still deal with alot of bullshit including: gossiping, backstabbing, lazy people who don't contribute, bitchy/bossy people, people making up shit about you...people thinking you have a problem with them, clients complaining no matter what you do, rude and crude people who take their frustration out on you.

So I'm exposed to it and if I'm still here after 8 years (longer than 60% of the staff in the company)...then I think I'm ready for even more bullshit! But the one thing that I cannot handle is dealing with the general public who have no sense of decency or how to conduct themselves in public.

I can handle being a yes man, we're all yes men in the company anyway.

Being here so long I've learned to not fuck up LOL

I liked working with the Scorpio because I never had to worry about her it was the other bafoons I had to deal with, then dealing with my superiors. Common sense stopped working no matter how much I tried to improve efficiencies things got knocked back a few steps then I would have to start over.

Got to the point and I said I'm done see ya I won't be returning it should be an eye opener for my ex superiors uh I did a lot of work for you and prevented big f*** ups from happening.

Life is too short to deal with shit and I was getting tired of getting shit on.

Posted by Stihl46
If she wants to take the job she should have a clause that says she can return to her old position if she feels the job is too much, she should see if her bosses will let her have a trial period. The thing is you maybe getting double the money but money can never remove the effects of stress.

I've been in a position where there is stress you can never leave work at work it follows you home you never stop thinking of tomorrow and all the BS you are going to have to deal with. The nights where I never got any sleep because my mind wouldn't turn off.

Reading her opening post, I actually doubted that she really wanted the job, but now as I see her responses in this thread, I can see a lot of passion and now I actually wonder why she posed the question to begin with, because I think she has already made up her mind in the matter. Possibly because it's always nice to have people confirming your view. 🙂

I have been in both top management roles and middle management roles and sure it's tough at times, but I can handle it. Sure, I'm a capricorn, but I don't see why a scorpio couldn't handle it at least as well. Aren't they known for their tenacity, drive and determination?

I know it's tough and I'm sorry that you felt bad in your situations, and I think your side needs to be discussed as well(it's always useful to discuss a topic from all angles,) because it is a potential factor. But she may not react to this job the way you did to your job.

@HappyCamper

I'm actually still debating. There's other factors influencing my decision more than this BS issue. A lot of people heard about the positioning opening up and alot of peopel will be applying for it becuase we are the "fun" department. And i know a good chunk of them are more experienced than me so I'm at this point waiting to see what happens when it gets posted and if/when my boss talks to me about it, if he ever does.

The other dilemma with this position is, if let's say I don't get it. Then that's essentially fine, but I don't know how much more I can take doing work that I can do in my sleep.

This is the first opportunity that is actually a "step up" as most of the positions that have been available were either lower pay or a step down level wise.

At that point, I will have to start looking elsewhere to find more challenging work also because I refuse to work for a lower management individual who mroe than likely ruin the progress our department as created without this extra position.

Hm. I don't think I understood that. Why would a lot of other people applying stop you from doing it?

If you choose not no apply to this job or don't get the job, I agree with you 100% that you need to find your luck somewhere else.

Posted by HappyCapper
Hm. I don't think I understood that. Why would a lot of other people applying stop you from doing it?

If you choose not no apply to this job or don't get the job, I agree with you 100% that you need to find your luck somewhere else.

It doesn't stop me but more like worries me. I just don't want some other person fuck up all the progress we've made so far. Because management has a tendency to hire fuckups who just look good on paper.

Takes them 3-5 years to realize they are fuckups before they fire them.

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Hm. I don't think I understood that. Why would a lot of other people applying stop you from doing it?

If you choose not no apply to this job or don't get the job, I agree with you 100% that you need to find your luck somewhere else.

It doesn't stop me but more like worries me. I just don't want some other person fuck up all the progress we've made so far. Because management has a tendency to hire fuckups who just look good on paper.

Takes them 3-5 years to realize they are fuckups before they fire them.

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Ah, the usual. 😉

You say that the many applicants worry you - is that because of what it would do to your workplace if you don't get the job or because you are worried that you have less chance of getting it? It sounds like the former, but then I can't see how that would make you less interrested in applying - shouldn't that make you MORE interrested in applying? If it's the latter, then I say it's gonna be so much more awsome to get the job, wouldn't it? And if you don't get it it was because there were so many applicants, right? 🙂

So, you need to apply for other jobs outside your current workplace, no matter your decision; even if you apply for this job, there is still a chance that you won't get it and if you don't get it it would be even worse than before - not just boring, but also bad management. If I understand you correctly, in order for you to keep working at your current workplace, you need to get that job.

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Hm. I don't think I understood that. Why would a lot of other people applying stop you from doing it?

If you choose not no apply to this job or don't get the job, I agree with you 100% that you need to find your luck somewhere else.

It doesn't stop me but more like worries me. I just don't want some other person fuck up all the progress we've made so far. Because management has a tendency to hire fuckups who just look good on paper.

Takes them 3-5 years to realize they are fuckups before they fire them.

Ah, the usual. 😉

You say that the many applicants worry you - is that because of what it would do to your workplace if you don't get the job or because you are worried that you have less chance of getting it? It sounds like the former, but then I can't see how that would make you less interrested in applying - shouldn't that make you MORE interrested in applying? If it's the latter, then I say it's gonna be so much more awsome to get the job, wouldn't it? And if you don't get it it was because there were so many applicants, right? 🙂

So, you need to apply for other jobs outside your current workplace, no matter your decision; even if you apply for this job, there is still a chance that you won't get it and if you don't get it it would be even worse than before - not just boring, but also bad management. If I understand you correctly, in order for you to keep working at your current workplace, you need to get that job.

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I've been here like 8 years. I know the organization including the departments in it well. To the point where uppermanagement goes to me asks me questions about other departments projects when I don't even work in those departments. I know where the flaws are int he company, and I know how to fix it. But i can't fix anything if i'm in this position that i can do while im asleeping, eating dinner, watching tv...answering phones lol etc.

But if more experienced individuals apply from in house or from the outside...they may just get picked. Management has a tendency to hire what looks good on paper and most of the time...and im saying 95% of the time...these people end up shitty and

make things worse but management doesn't do anything about it for years until they eventually decide to fire them. It's been usually 3-5 years later. So I don't want to have to report to a lower management manager who will just change stuff and ruin the progress we've made. The only reason they are hiring the manager is because or department especially has grown tremendously and we're getting more workload (the entire company as grown too but just a way smaller percentage). So in this department we are getting more higher end workload which is why they are adding another manager.

In some essence I've been informally handling some of the workload this new person will be handling so I know I can handle it. I don't require training and it will be an easy transition but of course if the trend is people hiring based on what looks good on paper... it will just end up being a sucky environment.

I cna't work for some moron.

I can see your control freak is coming out of you Scorpios are doing it my way or the highway you can't hide it lol.

What I can see happening with you is you will get frustrated in this new position things won't be going as planned or the way you want to see things go. You know if this job doesn't live up to your expectations it will make you miserable that's when you ramp up your control freakiness and fights happen with the people you work with. Your bosses will see another side of you they've never seen before.

Sure, but (at least imo) you can not let that stop you from applying.

Face the facts: You are bored at work and need to do something about it. Either it's this new position or it's another workplace. Chose either one - being in your current position is not an option. If you want this new position you have nothing to lose by applying. So what if you don't get it? Darn. Ouch. Move on to another workplace.

You can do iiit! *cheering* 🙂

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make things worse but management doesn't do anything about it for years until they eventually decide to fire them. It's been usually 3-5 years later. So I don't want to have to report to a lower management manager who will just change stuff and ruin the progress we've made. The only reason they are hiring the manager is because or department especially has grown tremendously and we're getting more workload (the entire company as grown too but just a way smaller percentage). So in this department we are getting more higher end workload which is why they are adding another manager.

In some essence I've been informally handling some of the workload this new person will be handling so I know I can handle it. I don't require training and it will be an easy transition but of course if the trend is people hiring based on what looks good on paper... it will just end up being a sucky environment.

I cna't work for some moron.

Sorry, didn't see the posts on this page when I replied.

So, if you apply and don't get it, then get a job at another workplace. That's what I would have done either way. As I said, staying in your current position is not and option anyway, so you will only have to endure that while you get another job.

Posted by Stihl46
I can see your control freak is coming out of you Scorpios are doing it my way or the highway you can't hide it lol.

What I can see happening with you is you will get frustrated in this new position things won't be going as planned or the way you want to see things go. You know if this job doesn't live up to your expectations it will make you miserable that's when you ramp up your control freakiness and fights happen with the people you work with. Your bosses will see another side of you they've never seen before.

If she is not comfortable in this new position, it's not the end of the world - it's the end of her time working at that place. She will get a new job and move on. No?

@HappyCamper that is the plan. I already said it to myself that if I don't get the position, I will be looking elsewhere.

Downside is, I am in the middle of paying off debts and I will be debt free in 12-18 months and am contributing to my investment accounts, pensions and retirement accounts. If I leave all that will go away AND I doubt I will get the same salary...sure I'll have easier and more mind numbing workload but a job is a job as my current position is a specialized type of thing that isn't all that common and i doubt there is many openings so I will have to settle for the time being for other less paying and easier positions.

If I got the position, I will be fine. I've been doing the same things as this personw ould be doing mostly but just informally. it would be messed up to not get the position even though I am kinda doing most of it right now.


But I think I will fine, the only difference would be that managers are under the radar, no one shielding me from Upper Management BS and I'll be exposed to the fights between all management LOL.

And -- double the pay would come in handy as I am trying to buy a house by the end of 2016...so the sooner I can get that, the better!

I dont know.

If you applied and didn't get the job, you still wouldn't have to leave your current position until you've found another job, right?

Posted by HappyCapper
If you applied and didn't get the job, you still wouldn't have to leave your current position until you've found another job, right?

No I wouldn't have to leave. I am leaving, because I chose to leave. I mean as much as I like working here because most days I can ignore the BS and it doesn't bother me as much as how much it affects others around me. I think I'm going crazy from not being challenged enough when all it would take is for upper management to trust me enough to be able to take the lead or be involved in some higher level stuff but you know how corporate america is with "hierarchy".

By sure power of the "flowchart" you cannot work out of class. I'm practically begging to work out of class for my own psychological stimulation, and I'm not allowed to.

So for my own sanity, I will leave onto another job where the newness will stimulate me for a while and hopefully its the kind of environment that promotes innovation and not bottlenecks it.

Awsome! Seems you know just what to do. Good luck with everything. 🙂