Are Virgos inherently distrustful?

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Are Virgos inherently distrustful of others? I've been seeing this Virgo for 2 months now and any time he texts or calls me and I don't immediately respond he accuses me of treetrunking someone else, being on a date or doing something shady. It never occurs to him that maybe I didn't hear the phone go off or I was busy or I was asleep, etc... He just assumes the worst. In the beginning he played it off like he was joking, but it's happened so many times it's obvious this is what he's thinking. I've called him on this behavior and said to him that he seems to have major trust issues. His response was that he doesn't have trust issues, he just doesn't trust. (Ok...) This has been going on since the beginning, so it's not like something happened between us to trigger him not trusting me.

I was supposed to see him tonight, but ended up texting him yesterday morning, because I need to spend this weekend working from home. He never responded to that text and I assumed it was because he was pissed about it and blowing me off. I found out today that he didn't get that text, which is possible, because I've been having problems with my texts going through ever since the last iPhone IOS7 upgrade, but I never know if they don't go through until someone tells me. So when I tell him why I needed to cancel he tells me that he's not stupid and knows it's because I have a date with someone else. I tell him that I don't have a date and if I did I would actually be on that date at this very moment texting him! I even told him that he could drive up to my place and see me, blatantly, not on a date right now. I tell him again how irritating his paranoia, accusations and third degree comments are and his solution to me being bothered by this is for us to be casual and date other people. Really?? I didn't even bother fighting him on this figuring this is just the beginning of the end.

I guess my question is does this ever lessen with time? Is this just a Virgo thing and do you guys have any interest in building trust with someone or is it just part of your make-up, so to speak? The guy I dated before him was a Gemini Sun/Virgo Rising and he also had trust issues, but displayed them in different ways. That guy also said it was just how he was. Ughhh.

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Posted by mixedVIRGO
I was never like that until cheated on



I was cheated on years ago by a Gemini (shocking, I know) and I was a mess for years. But I found that indulging my fears and giving someone the third degree constantly just made it worse and drove people away. You never know what's going on behind your back, but I think it's best to not make accusations unless you have concrete evidence. I don't think cancelling plans one time or responding back to a text ten minutes late classifies as concrete evidence.
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yes, it is difficult to trust for us and we need constant reassurance. but once we have your trust we will relax and be very accommodating. btw, are you flirtatious by nature? or try to make him jealous or insecure by talking about other guys, even if just for fun? that will trigger that distrust and paranoia.



No, I'm not flirty by nature. I have mentioned guys, but it's when I'm referring to male friends, which I have a lot of. I try not to mention exes, because he's made it clear he doesn't want to hear about them.
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Posted by PiscesLove7 It never occurs to him that maybe I didn't hear the phone go off or I was busy or I was asleep, etc... He just assumes the worst. In the beginning he played it off like he was joking, but it's happened so many times

This has been going on since the beginning, so it's not like something happened between us to trigger him not trusting me.

I was supposed to see him tonight, but ended up texting him yesterday morning, because I need to spend this weekend working from home. He never responded to that text and I assumed it was because he was pissed about it and blowing me off. I found out today that he didn't get that text, which is possible, because I've been having problems with my texts going through ever since the last iPhone IOS7 upgrade,



More horseshit. smh This has nothing to do with him thinking you're screwing around. This has everything to do with him KNOWING you are playing games due to your insecurity issues and demanding to know where you stand in this relationship. What's the matter? He not moving fast enough for you? So ignore the texts/calls, and canceling a date to get a guage. Women like you are a dime a dozen. Just be ready to have your head spun so fast, virgos don't play games, in fact they despise them and figured you out within the first 3 weeks. Be prepared to stare into the mirror he is about to hold up.
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Posted by PiscesLove7 It never occurs to him that maybe I didn't hear the phone go off or I was busy or I was asleep, etc... He just assumes the worst. In the beginning he played it off like he was joking, but it's happened so many times

This has been going on since the beginning, so it's not like something happened between us to trigger him not trusting me.

I was supposed to see him tonight, but ended up texting him yesterday morning, because I need to spend this weekend working from home. He never responded to that text and I assumed it was because he was pissed about it and blowing me off. I found out today that he didn't get that text, which is possible, because I've been having problems with my texts going through ever since the last iPhone IOS7 upgrade,



More horseshit. smh This has nothing to do with him thinking you're screwing around. This has everything to do with him KNOWING you are playing games due to your insecurity issues and demanding to know where you stand in this relationship. What's the matter? He not moving fast enough for you? So ignore the texts/calls, and canceling a date to get a guage. Women like you are a dime a dozen. Just be ready to have your head spun so fast, virgos don't play games, in fact they despise them and figured you out within the first 3 weeks. Be prepared to stare into the mirror he is about to hold up.
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Its not just Virgos who can pick up on that.
Some of this sounds very similar to a recent relationship I had.
Duration you mention very similar as well.
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Posted by PiscesLove7 It never occurs to him that maybe I didn't hear the phone go off or I was busy or I was asleep, etc... He just assumes the worst. In the beginning he played it off like he was joking, but it's happened so many times

This has been going on since the beginning, so it's not like something happened between us to trigger him not trusting me.

I was supposed to see him tonight, but ended up texting him yesterday morning, because I need to spend this weekend working from home. He never responded to that text and I assumed it was because he was pissed about it and blowing me off. I found out today that he didn't get that text, which is possible, because I've been having problems with my texts going through ever since the last iPhone IOS7 upgrade,



More horseshit. smh This has nothing to do with him thinking you're screwing around. This has everything to do with him KNOWING you are playing games due to your insecurity issues and demanding to know where you stand in this relationship. What's the matter? He not moving fast enough for you? So ignore the texts/calls, and canceling a date to get a guage. Women like you are a dime a dozen. Just be ready to have your head spun so fast, virgos don't play games, in fact they despise them and figured you out within the first 3 weeks. Be prepared to stare into the mirror he is about to hold up.
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+1 LetitB- You and I think very similar and do what I call, "keeping it real", even if others might be offended by what we say! LOL I am brutally honest and you seem the same from what I have read of your posts!

I read this & thought something off with it. Yes Virgos are cautious and can be distrustful- put typically because there is something they see that makes them leery. They won't take well to game players. OP you even said further down that you discuss your male friends with him... why? To get him to validate your relationship? When I read the 1st post- it made me think of a male Scorpio, not a Virgo- granted I am basing my comment off my bad experience with a Scorp, who was a psycho and they are the most suspicious sign of the zodiac.
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no i think that's just him being immature and projecting that onto the relationship, which unfortunately won't "lessen" as time goes on. his reasoning that "this is me" is just an excuse for lazy character. virgos are mutables after all, so in this case he CAN learn to be trusting if the relationship matters at all to him.



Agreed. That's what it struck me as, projection.
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Posted by PiscesLove7 It never occurs to him that maybe I didn't hear the phone go off or I was busy or I was asleep, etc... He just assumes the worst. In the beginning he played it off like he was joking, but it's happened so many times

This has been going on since the beginning, so it's not like something happened between us to trigger him not trusting me.

I was supposed to see him tonight, but ended up texting him yesterday morning, because I need to spend this weekend working from home. He never responded to that text and I assumed it was because he was pissed about it and blowing me off. I found out today that he didn't get that text, which is possible, because I've been having problems with my texts going through ever since the last iPhone IOS7 upgrade,



More horseshit. smh This has nothing to do with him thinking you're screwing around. This has everything to do with him KNOWING you are playing games due to your insecurity issues and demanding to know where you stand in this relationship. What's the matter? He not moving fast enough for you? So ignore the texts/calls, and canceling a date to get a guage. Women like you are a dime a dozen. Just be ready to have your head spun so fast, virgos don't play games, in fact they despise them and figured you out within the first 3 weeks. Be prepared to stare into the mirror he is about to hold up.
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I'm not playing games. I'm not attached to the hip to my cell phone and I actually had work that needed to be done this weekend. Oh the concept.
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Posted by PiscesLove7 It never occurs to him that maybe I didn't hear the phone go off or I was busy or I was asleep, etc... He just assumes the worst. In the beginning he played it off like he was joking, but it's happened so many times

This has been going on since the beginning, so it's not like something happened between us to trigger him not trusting me.

I was supposed to see him tonight, but ended up texting him yesterday morning, because I need to spend this weekend working from home. He never responded to that text and I assumed it was because he was pissed about it and blowing me off. I found out today that he didn't get that text, which is possible, because I've been having problems with my texts going through ever since the last iPhone IOS7 upgrade,



More horseshit. smh This has nothing to do with him thinking you're screwing around. This has everything to do with him KNOWING you are playing games due to your insecurity issues and demanding to know where you stand in this relationship. What's the matter? He not moving fast enough for you? So ignore the texts/calls, and canceling a date to get a guage. Women like you are a dime a dozen. Just be ready to have your head spun so fast, virgos don't play games, in fact they despise them and figured you out within the first 3 weeks. Be prepared to stare into the mirror he is about to hold up.



OP you even said further down that you discuss your male friends with him... why? To get him to validate your relationship? When I read the 1st post- it made me think of a male Scorpio, not a Virgo- granted I am basing my comment off my bad experience with a Scorp, who was a psycho and they are the most suspicious sign of the zodiac.
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I've mentioned my male friends to him in passing...the same way I've mentioned any other friend to him in my life.
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Posted by PiscesLove7 It never occurs to him that maybe I didn't hear the phone go off or I was busy or I was asleep, etc... He just assumes the worst. In the beginning he played it off like he was joking, but it's happened so many times

This has been going on since the beginning, so it's not like something happened between us to trigger him not trusting me.

I was supposed to see him tonight, but ended up texting him yesterday morning, because I need to spend this weekend working from home. He never responded to that text and I assumed it was because he was pissed about it and blowing me off. I found out today that he didn't get that text, which is possible, because I've been having problems with my texts going through ever since the last iPhone IOS7 upgrade,



More horseshit. smh This has nothing to do with him thinking you're screwing around. This has everything to do with him KNOWING you are playing games due to your insecurity issues and demanding to know where you stand in this relationship. What's the matter? He not moving fast enough for you? So ignore the texts/calls, and canceling a date to get a guage. Women like you are a dime a dozen. Just be ready to have your head spun so fast, virgos don't play games, in fact they despise them and figured you out within the first 3 weeks. Be prepared to stare into the mirror he is about to hold up.



Its not just Virgos who can pick up on that.
Some of this sounds very similar to a recent relationship I had.
Duration you mention very similar as well.
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Picking up on what? I could see if I canceled multiple times then sure, that would be seen as shady, but this is the only time I've canceled on him. I find it shocking that canceling once automatically means I must be doing something shady. People cancel...things come up, plans change. It happens.
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Has he told you why he always assumes the worst though? I just think it's a bit illogical to be suspicious without any reason. My Virgo has never doubted me nor have I seen a suspicious Virgo before in my life.. Not saying it's impossible. It just sounds odd to me for a Virgo to even be bothered that much by you not picking up or having work to do.



No, not really. I know he's been cheated on in the past; although, he's never attributed it to why he doesn't trust anyone. From what I could gather from talking to him he seems fine not trusting anyone and deals with it by holding people up to some no margin for error standard of behavior. So when you don't meet that, like by canceling, he feels entitled to question you. But I don't get the impression he's even looking for reassurance...more like he's looking to validate what he feels has to be happening.
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Picking up on what? I could see if I canceled multiple times then sure, that would be seen as shady, but this is the only time I've canceled on him. I find it shocking that canceling once automatically means I must be doing something shady. People cancel...things come up, plans change. It happens.




Funny thing..in the OP you said it happened "so many times." Don't lie, don't hide from the truth. You are shady..and this Virgo (not us) knows it. Like I said...women like you are a dime a dozen. Grow up, because these immature games you play will backfire. It's a security and immaturity issue on your part. The Virgo will do fine without you and will replace you in a new york minute.
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I have mentioned guys, but it's when I'm referring to male friends, which I have a lot of.

I try not to mention exes, because he's made it clear he doesn't want to hear about them.







For him to make clear that he doesn't want to hear about exes means ... you've talked about exes to the point that he has to tell you to stfu about them.

You're playing a head game with him for attention.

Women like you really piss me off. And then you come in here and pretend to be sweet and innocent, when really .... you're an attention whore who has to throw men in his face to satisfy your Princess Issues.
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In fact, Virgos are the opposite of what you said in here.

You have created a relationship in where to dangle men in front of his face to make him jealous of you, and then you come in here and slam him, and all Virgos for it, in stating that this is an inherent trait ... when in reality, it's something you've created in him because you obviously cannot handle an adult relationship.
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Picking up on what? I could see if I canceled multiple times then sure, that would be seen as shady, but this is the only time I've canceled on him. I find it shocking that canceling once automatically means I must be doing something shady. People cancel...things come up, plans change. It happens.




Funny thing..in the OP you said it happened "so many times." Don't lie, don't hide from the truth. You are shady..and this Virgo (not us) knows it. Like I said...women like you are a dime a dozen. Grow up, because these immature games you play will backfire. It's a security and immaturity issue on your part. The Virgo will do fine without you and will replace you in a new york minute.
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I said he's made these accusations so many times.
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I have mentioned guys, but it's when I'm referring to male friends, which I have a lot of.

I try not to mention exes, because he's made it clear he doesn't want to hear about them.







For him to make clear that he doesn't want to hear about exes means ... you've talked about exes to the point that he has to tell you to stfu about them.

You're playing a head game with him for attention.

Women like you really piss me off. And then you come in here and pretend to be sweet and innocent, when really .... you're an attention whore who has to throw men in his face to satisfy your Princess Issues.
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Actually he told me that the first time I mentioned an ex.
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In fact, Virgos are the opposite of what you said in here.

You have created a relationship in where to dangle men in front of his face to make him jealous of you, and then you come in here and slam him, and all Virgos for it, in stating that this is an inherent trait ... when in reality, it's something you've created in him because you obviously cannot handle an adult relationship.



I asked if it was an inherent trait.
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In a serious and committed relationship ... the Virgo is the epitome of a trusting partner.

And every woman in here who actually has/had a serious and committed relationship with a Virgo knows that you're full of shit.



Being that I have not had a serious relationship with a Virgo that was the point of starting this thread...to find out if my experience was common. If it's not, then it's not.
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What need is there to mention exes? Assuming you don't have children with them, that is...

It might just be me, but I'm a big believer in leaving the past in the past - processing it, coming to terms with it, learning from it, and leaving it where it belongs - not carrying it forward into a new relationship. I've never understood the need to bring up old relationships with a new partner, except in general terms or on a "need to know" basis. Like for instance, if there are children involved, etc.

Anything else just says "Hi. I'm not emotionally available cause I'm not over completely over my ex! Let's discuss."
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I have to agree with LIB & P-Angel on this one. As a Virgo the only time I'll act the way you say you're Virgo is acting is when someone I actually like triggers my anti-trust button by trying to play subtle game (which incidentally aren't that subtle). At that point the person is messing up my silent assessment process and I will feel the need to question things to try to validate my gut feeling. What ends up happening is you either validate my gut feeling with your actions or I go with my gut and I exit the situation. I've NEVER acted the way you describe your Virgo without probably cause...NEVER. So if you are secretly playing games and you actually like this guy...I would advise you to stop it before he totally shuts you out.

However IF everything you say is true and you've done nothing to provoke this, then your Virgo has some SERIOUS healing to do from his past hurts and a relationship with him will not work until he gets past all of that.
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I have to agree with LIB & P-Angel on this one. As a Virgo the only time I'll act the way you say you're Virgo is acting is when someone I actually like triggers my anti-trust button by trying to play subtle game (which incidentally aren't that subtle). At that point the person is messing up my silent assessment process and I will feel the need to question things to try to validate my gut feeling. What ends up happening is you either validate my gut feeling with your actions or I go with my gut and I exit the situation. I've NEVER acted the way you describe your Virgo without probably cause...NEVER. So if you are secretly playing games and you actually like this guy...I would advise you to stop it before he totally shuts you out.

However IF everything you say is true and you've done nothing to provoke this, then your Virgo has some SERIOUS healing to do from his past hurts and a relationship with him will not work until he gets past all of that.



Well I'm not doing anything and haven't done anything. He's never been able to back up his accusations and usually shuts the conversation down when I ask him to. He's made it clear he doesn't trust anyone and I'm no exception. But it's obviously not a Virgo thing, just a him thing.
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I said he's made these accusations so many times.



Yes..got it. The reason behind is because you don't answer his texts, and phone calls because you claim you are so busy, and failed to take the responsibility to CALL HIM when you KNEW your phone wasn't working to break a date.

He figured you out..you will end up alone. That's all I'm saying, and Virgos don't give second chances, so you may wanna rethink the game playing bullshit
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@OP that's definitely a him thing; IMO of course.

Honestly if I guy I was interested in flat out told me he trust no one and that's not going to change. Then followed that up by 3rd degreeing (not a word I know) me everytime we spoke I'd give him his walking papers. I mean honestly that sounds exhausting for both parties. Like fighting a battle that can never be won.



This. But again I have never had a Virgo act like how you are describing. Sounds like it is just better to go your separate ways.
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I said he's made these accusations so many times.



Yes..got it. The reason behind is because you don't answer his texts, and phone calls because you claim you are so busy, and failed to take the responsibility to CALL HIM when you KNEW your phone wasn't working to break a date.

He figured you out..you will end up alone. That's all I'm saying, and Virgos don't give second chances, so you may wanna rethink the game playing bullshit
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I didn't know that text didn't go through when I sent it, but sure, I could have called to follow up. Point taken. But it wasn't how I canceled or how he didn't get the text that he had a problem with. It was the fact that I canceled, period. So even if I called to cancel he would have still been suspect. I talked to him all night after that and he still considers that maybe I had a date earlier or the night before or whatever. This is what he said to me. Who can live up to this no margin for error butter...with that mentality HE will end up all alone. Most of the reason why I posted this was because I'm on the fence with continuing to see him because of these issues, so if he were to end it I wouldn't stop him. Perception is reality and if he really feels there's something shady going on, when there isn't, there's nothing I can do about it, particularly when he's not open to the idea of being wrong. So if these are my options, to be treated like a cheater or be single I'd rather be alone...all alone. You Virgos can have him! ...but keep him on the bench. He's definitely not one of your star players...

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I am distrusting of others...I think that I give people chance, I can only speak for myself when I say i live in my head and I allow thoughts to creep on me and I will entertain them..and this causes more problems then most.however I know I am very intuitive and seem to be spot on at times...so if my gut is telling me not to trust someone I am about 90 percent sure I shouldn't trust them
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I didn't know that text didn't go through when I sent it, but sure, I could have called to follow up. Point taken. But it wasn't how I canceled or how he didn't get the text that he had a problem with. It was the fact that I canceled, period. So even if I called to cancel he would have still been suspect. I talked to him all night after that and he still considers that maybe I had a date earlier or the night before or whatever. This is what he said to me. Who can live up to this no margin for error butter...with that mentality HE will end up all alone. Most of the reason why I posted this was because I'm on the fence with continuing to see him because of these issues, so if he were to end it I wouldn't stop him. Perception is reality and if he really feels there's something shady going on, when there isn't, there's nothing I can do about it, particularly when he's not open to the idea of being wrong. So if these are my options, to be treated like a cheater or be single I'd rather be alone...all alone. You Virgos can have him! ...but keep him on the bench. He's definitely not one of your star players...







I just don't like people like you, at all.

You have given him back to the Virgos, and saying that he isn't a star player to mean that he's a throwback of his kind because he didn't own up to your expectations .... when in reality ... you've always had the ability to decide for yourself if he is right for you, or not.

You even say that if he broke up with you, you wouldn't stop him ... but, at no time did you present to us that you have dignity and integrity for yourself to make a conscious decision of what is in your best interest ... you just cling on to the fence, waiting for him to design your life for you ........ and while you wait for his approval of your life path, you come in here to slam him, as if he is preventing you from having some fucking honor in yourself.

It's YOUR fucking fault that your life doesn't go according to your best interest ..... but, by what you have presented here, you show zero self worth, and so believe you are straddled with being a victim.

You're not a victim .. you're just ignorant.
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And you really need to put your foot down and tell him to either trust you or beat it. What good is a relationship without any trust?


you cannot force trust on anyone. they just have to feel it. and it is very important in a relationship to have that trust for your partner. you do not want to spend every waking moment thinking if they are into you.



True.
I wasn't trying to imply she should force him, not at all. But I was trying to point out she's being rather passive about the whole issue at hand IMO. If as she claims she hasn't done anything to cause distrust, then I don't see why she should allow him to treat her that way. If it was the other way around the women here would be telling her he shouldn't pay for her ex mistakes. Which is true. But same goes the other way around.
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I don't see myself as being passive about it. I definitely wanted to give the relationship a chance before I determined if his reactions were just random moments of insecurity or an ongoing pattern of behavior. I have reacted when these situations have come up and I think 2 months is a reasonable amount of time to come to a conclusion.