Beware of Virgo Bearing Gifts

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Recent events in the land of Virgo have made me come to the realization that anyone who wants to preserve their relationship with a Virgo friend, lover or spouse, should NEVER accept "help" or gifts from this afflicted sign. Virgos are not selfless givers/helpers. A gesture of good will from a Virgo is anything but. When a Virgo offers help/gift, it is regarded as a down payment on future gifts/help that MUST be returned in full and with interest. When a Virgo offers you assistance, IF you are able to do without, IF you are able to get help elsewhere, do so. The Virgo helper should be a last resort.

If you make the mistake of accepting help/gift from a Virgo, be sure to ask yourself this question first: "Can I return the direct equivalent of this gift in a timely manner?" For example, if a Virgo purchases a gift for your child, can you reciprocate by purchasing a gift for their child? If the Virgo does not have children, you're in trouble as a hand-crafted thank you card, flowers and ballons will never be enough of a thank you.

Lesson for Friends of Virgo
Beware of Virgos Bearing Gifts

Lessons for Virgo
You suffer because you try to fulfill yourself.

When you do something for someone else, it's for you.
When you do something for yourself, it's for someone else.

Do something nice for somebody. Do something nice for God. Do something nice for the earth -- and don't expect anything in return or you will suffer.
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THE GOSPEL OF LUKE
27 But I say unto you which hear, Love your enemies, do good to them which hate you,

28 Bless them that curse you, and pray for them which despitefully use you.

29 And unto him that smiteth thee on the one cheek offer also the other; and him that taketh away thy cloak forbid not to take thy coat also.

30 Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again.

31 And as ye would that men should do to you, do ye also to them likewise.

32 For if ye love them which love you, what thank have ye? for sinners also love those that love them.

33 And if ye do good to them which do good to you, what thank have ye? for sinners also do even the same.

34 And if ye lend to them of whom ye hope to receive, what thank have ye? for sinners also lend to sinners, to receive as much again.

35 But love ye your enemies, and do good, and lend, hoping for nothing again; and your reward shall be great, and ye shall be the children of the Highest: for he is kind unto the unthankful and to the evil.

36 Be ye therefore merciful, as your Father also is merciful.

37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:

38 Give, and it shall be given unto you; good measure, pressed down, and shaken together, and running over, shall men give into your bosom. For with the same measure that ye mete withal it shall be measured to you again.

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This seems downright mean to me :/ virgo are the best people to get help from, its in our sign. maybe some virgos are like that (always expecting something in return) but sounds to be more of a pisces thing you're describing here to me.

Our sign is the sign of service so there is no better person to ask for help from. Virgos like control and yes, may keep things as collateral down the road when they find they need to pull in the reigns (if you're getting a little too out of their control) But with your typical unafflicted virgo, everything is always with good intent.

Think of us as the 'worried mother' sign. We really do want the best for the ones we take under our wing :]
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Posted by tubbyscubby
^^LUKE CHAPTER 6

@LV - if you feel like a human credit card, put it back in your wallet. your money, your gift, your time, your effort are better kept to yourself. the price of your friendship isn't worth the plastic it's printed on.




it was a joke geez whiz lady i dont buy nothing if u wanna do something for someone do it if you dont then dont im the same way i choose if i wanna be of service if i wanna help i do if i dont care about helping u you wouldn't hear a word from me lol.
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@sekhmet - at least your virgo is candid with his expectations...unlike these jokers on here. you basically said in a nice way what i was getting at. if you don't go into your friendship with a virgo expecting to reciprocate each and every act of generosity, you could be in trouble. i mean who'd think that "would you like a piece of gum" comes with strings attached?

@virgok - what part of "i have never been burned by a virgo" do you not get? what part of i know MANY virgos do you not comprehend? i know how to read people and through their relationships with others, it's not difficult to see that with virgo this is a trend. if it makes you feel better, i should've specified LOWER virgos vs virgos as a whole.

why this thread? i spoke with a VF in reference to a friend of ours getting married. her responses, along with her past behavior, the past behavior of other virgos with respect to other people resulted in this "ah-ha" moment.

and if you weren't being so sensitive, you'd read and you'd realize you agree...just hate to admit that you're a selfish giver. you know for a fact that when you take the time to help someone, that if you take the time to purchase a thoughtful gift for someone, you do so with the hope that the person will understand the time, thought and effort that went into the gesture. where everyone generally expects a thank you, virgo expects more...virgo expects A LOT more. and wouldn't it be better for you and your friends to know this up-front? virgos should make sure that whenever they help/gift give that they sign the card "strings attached."

oh, i never have to worry about virgo BS cause i don't fall for the sign's petty and transparent manipulation. i'm too proud to accept handouts anyway 😛

@dy - i don't talk to dirty old men
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It takes a Virgo to understand a Virgo. 😄

Surely you don't understand us.

The only time i give gifts to someone is because....

1. I like you
2. I care about you.
3. You deserved it.

I never really expect someone to returned a favor, just i want to help someone and make them feel appreciated. It's hard for us to express our feelings through words and often used the gesture of gift giving as a "Thank you" for something .
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what sign are you tubbyscubby?

It sounds to me like you have just been hurt or offended by a virgo and are deciding to take it out on us here, but you need to understand that people like that probably come from cheap or immoral parents. don't blame the zodiac sign which was designed in the very first place to uphold selflessness and purity; the stars themselves are against you :]
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@sekhmet - at least your virgo is candid with his expectations...unlike these jokers on here. you basically said in a nice way what i was getting at. if you don't go into your friendship with a virgo expecting to reciprocate each and every act of generosity, you could be in trouble. i mean who'd think that "would you like a piece of gum" comes with strings attached?

@virgok - what part of "i have never been burned by a virgo" do you not get? what part of i know MANY virgos do you not comprehend? i know how to read people and through their relationships with others, it's not difficult to see that with virgo this is a trend. if it makes you feel better, i should've specified LOWER virgos vs virgos as a whole.

why this thread? i spoke with a VF in reference to a friend of ours getting married. her responses, along with her past behavior, the past behavior of other virgos with respect to other people resulted in this "ah-ha" moment.

and if you weren't being so sensitive, you'd read and you'd realize you agree...just hate to admit that you're a selfish giver. you know for a fact that when you take the time to help someone, that if you take the time to purchase a thoughtful gift for someone, you do so with the hope that the person will understand the time, thought and effort that went into the gesture. where everyone generally expects a thank you, virgo expects more...virgo expects A LOT more. and wouldn't it be better for you and your friends to know this up-front? virgos should make sure that whenever they help/gift give that they sign the card "strings attached."

oh, i never have to worry about virgo BS cause i don't fall for the sign's petty and transparent manipulation. i'm too proud to accept handouts anyway 😛

@dy - i don't talk to dirty old men

First i don,t help anyone thank scorpio rising for that one, sec if you read I didn't say you got burn.. Im saying why they are acting like that to you.. A lot virgo are way more giving than me i never hear them complain unless its from a person who is selfish.. seeing that you are a Taurus more than likely your selfish it comes with your sign you might not be that bad who knows but that is a turn off to virgos.. Remember we give but we are no fools. sounds to me you think you can just take take take and they should not say nothing.. this is not a virgo thing this a human thing.. Y
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it's friday night and i'm not up for an extended butchery of the english language.

feel free to disagree. but when you do so, try not to make ASSumptions about the reasons behind my assertions. if you want to know why, ask. or better yet, try keeping your critical nature in check and READ.

in reality, the message isn't for virgo because you're too busy playing martyr and the "poor is me" role. i feel like setting up a stage where you all can expound on how much you give and give and *yawn*

what i love is those of you who make every good will gesture into some grand self-sacrificing measure. normal people give of themselves and don't go in search of a cross 😛
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@zen - at what point did you ASSume that i presumed that you or anyone else would agree with me? my opinions are mine and mine alone and as i told my aqua friend long ago, if she (VF) offers you anything ever again, say "no" unless you *really* need it. she holds you to an immeasurable standard and if you're not careful, you will fail even if you didn't realize you were taking a test. but if you choose to accept this challenge, be prepared to reciprocate quick, fast and in a hurry. otherwise, it's not worth the drama that ensues.

the way i sees it, it's not worth the virgo going into hypercritical, "look at all i've done for you" mode in order to receive a trinket or help in an arena that you could've taken care of yourself. part of the problem is that the virgo, being "non-confrontational" (cowardly), doesn't have the wherewithal to sit the object of the criticism/disappointment down and simply say, when you do this/that it hurts my feelings. instead, virgo is far more likely to withdraw (more cowardice and passive-aggressive behavior) or unload on a trusted friend (an earth sign like TAURUS 😛 ).

to be honest, this isn't much of a criticism if virgo chose to look at it objectively...

for everything a virgo does, you must ask yourself, "how can i pay this back?" they are kind and genuine people who take their giving seriously. it's more than a normal gesture...it is their cross to bear. the heavier the cross gets, the more they expect you to lighten the load. so...

if they give you a ride somewhere, be sure to offer gas money...give them the money in spite of protests.

if they hold the door open for you, be sure to hold it open for them.

if they buy you an expensive gift on your bday, be sure to do the same. why? because the virgo will have difficulty criticizing a mirror. you mirror their gestures and all is right in virgo land. if not, they relish in their favorite past time, criticism.

ironically, the virgo is right. people should reciprocate. but that's not the issue with virgo. the question therefore isn't did you give thanks, it's did you give thanks enough? is your cross as big, as heavy or as worn as the virgo? if not, let the criticism begin!

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and so if "he's" a she which means that virgo's proclaimed attention to detail is some BS.

if you give with the expectation of getting something in return, you are NOT a selfless giver.

when/if you give money to a homeless person, do you presume/assume that person is going to take those funds and get something to eat? save it, along with other donations, and get an apartment?

or do you give it not giving a damn what they do? who cares if they use it to buy a bowl of soup, a box of candy, an 8-ball or blow job? you give because it's the right thing to do. if you sat and worried about how a gift will be used, no one would give anything selflessly.

LOWER virgos do not give selflessly. they become offended when they come to the same street corner and the homeless person is there yet again...begging for more money. NORMAL people don't hand over money, selfless people hand over money and think nothing of it.
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you people are as thick as pea soup.

when someone gives you a gift "Thank you" generally suffices. for a virgo, it does not. PERIOD! if you give a gift expecting an equivalent gift back, keep your damn gift. that is not giving selflessly. it's giving selfishly.

NEWSFLASH - you don't get to dictate how people give thanks. one person might take you out to dinner. another might send you a thank you via text. and subsequently, their individual worth isn't based on how high you rank their thank you gesture.

if you're going to put expectations on a gift, keep your damn gift. it's that simple. if you refuse to lift your expectations, then those around you need to BEWARE!
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Posted by Tony_So_Stellar!!!
tubbyscubby,
You know something? I think you have a valid point because this is indeed true. I work with a Virgo on my job and he is the most annoying man I've ever met in my life. At work, I've kind of kept up with my military bearing when work is just work and play is reserved for outside of work. Well, my Virgo manager use to always offer favors and help to me whenever I was working in the Seasonal Department alone. I figured it was nice, but later on, things just got a turn for the worst. It just got to the point to where I was harrassed so freaking much. Up to this day I cannot stand that man and believe me I've tried to transfer and apply for other jobs, but here in South Carolina no one is hiring, so I need this job. So instead of just being frustrated, I rely on my sparkling wit and ridicule him in front of other co-workers. So far, that has worked to my advantage. 🙂

Tony_So_Stellar!!!



AMEN!

he was great until he wasn't. and by the time you figured out that hey, maybe i should've this/that, his crazy ass has a list of complaints a mile long. they're insane.
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Posted by virgoking
First i don,t help anyone thank scorpio rising for that one, sec if you read I didn't say you got burn.. Im saying why they are acting like that to you.. A lot virgo are way more giving than me i never hear them complain unless its from a person who is selfish.. seeing that you are a Taurus more than likely your selfish it comes with your sign you might not be that bad who knows but that is a turn off to virgos.. Remember we give but we are no fools. sounds to me you think you can just take take take and they should not say nothing.. this is not a virgo thing this a human thing.. Y
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Hey I'm a Scorpio rising too. I agree with you, Taurus people are selfish, hypocritical, and lazy. They always asking for shit, but can't afford to buy anyone shit.
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Posted by Tony_So_Stellar!!!
tubbyscubby: AMEN!

he was great until he wasn't. and by the time you figured out that hey, maybe i should've this/that, his crazy ass has a list of complaints a mile long. they're insane.

Tubbyscubby,
Yes indeed, I thought my manager was insane. I thanked him at the time when he did the favors to benefit me when I was in the Seasonal Department, but later on he just began acting like as if I owe him something and just got increasingly annyoing. He just wouldn't back off. I guess a Virgo's gift always has strings attached.

Tony_So_Stellar!!!



You should know better than that, especially he was your MANAGER, business is business. It's not a virgo thing , my capricorn supervisor did that same thing to me even when he weren't my supervisor anymore, "Saying I thought we were cool. I thought we were friends." I told him, "Don't get it twisted. We are not friends." Nothing in this world is free. Even freedom is not free.
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yeah and so do i. and yet you have your head so far up your own arse to presume that only you can speak on virgo nature.

you took the big, bold step of judging how many virgos tony may or may not know because hey, his opinion doesn't suit your own. maliging yourself against me, one thing. maligning yourself against an innocent bystander just shows how small...how teeny, tiiny you are lil man.

quit while you're behind or better yet, die trying 😛
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tubbyscubby:
Wow, I just don't understand why there seems to be so much hatefulness from you towards this particular sign. I understand that you are trying to make a point but let me tell you that your posts are not just sounding informative but they are sounding overly-critical and harsh. I believe we are all people who have flaws no matter what sign we are. We also cannot help what sign we are born under. I understand also that this may be true of Virgos in cases that you have encountered because you said you are basing it on Virgos that you know personally but does it have to be in the form of an attack?

I do not know that many Virgos so I will not dispute your observations either way. I just want to bring it to your attention from my point of view that it is coming across to me from this thread as well as others that you are communicating your opinions about Virgos in a very hostile manner that is putting them on their defensive. I know I would have a hard time in trying to relate to what you are trying to get across because of the way you are wording it and the seeming dislike that is behind it.

I have agreed with you on some valid points you have made on previous threads so I am not saying I don't think you have made valid points. I will probably agree with some of what you say in the future as well. I just don't think we should sign-bash because none of us are perfect people and we live in an imperfect world.

Are you just trying to antagonize the Virgos? If so, then I understand why your are wording it the way you are and I can understand the responses you are getting.
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stpatrick - if a man is speaking negatively about women, calling a group of women whores for dressing like whores, saying that group of women would go down on any man in a second, do you feel the need to argue with said group of men? you're a woman right? they're talking about you right? of course not right? facts are, some women dress like whores. why spend your time trying to disprove a reality?



my assertions are matter of fact. my tude is reactionary. if you folks wanna make a thread personal, i am MORE than willing to oblige. but to sit here and explain to those who can read, why this/that is...totally beneath me. it's fun as the hypocrisy and sheer stupidity escapes many but the lack of intelligence and integrity is gettin old.

dytryin is the perfect example of a hypocrite! stating within this very thread that he speaks ill of caps but wants to make an issue of someone speaking ill of virgos. you, he, "they" don't get to take offense simply because it suits you. or maybe you do. this is the internets after all. keep in mind though that when you do, don't fault me for pointing it out the BS.

in addition, i hope you take this much energy each and every time anyone says something that offends your sensibilities? do you? cause from now on, i expect you to. if not, why are you doing so now? oh...you got on the martyr band wagon. are you carrying the spikes?

the topic is....BEWARE OF VIRGO BEARING GIFTS! if you're not speaking on that, you're the embodiment of what you and others have accused me of being...a troll. speak on the topic, not on the person. if you choose the former, cool. choose the latter....you get what serve.
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tubbyscubby:
"the topic is....BEWARE OF VIRGO BEARING GIFTS! if you're not speaking on that, you're the embodiment of what you and others have accused me of being...a troll. speak on the topic, not on the person. if you choose the former, cool. choose the latter....you get what serve."

I have not accused you of being a troll. I may not be addressing the "subject" but actually the way that you are expressing the "subject." Why would I get what I serve when I was just making an observation. I actually have enjoyed a lot of what you post but I have noticed that you are very hostile towards Virgos so I just gave my opinion and it really didn't expend much energy. I know that Virgos have their flaws. Like I said, we ALL do. I am not being a martyr but just giving you my observation and actually not even being a hater. Like I also said, I will probably agree with other points you post. Just wondering why you have such disdain for the Virgos?
I have even reread what I wrote and I don't see how that should've made you get so reactionary towards me with all the talk about carrying the spikes and such. I didn't even say that your subject wasn't valid.

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why would anyone want to thank a virgo by giving them the equivalent of what they gave you? if a virgo gives something, it's because they want to help somebody they care about or make you happy. all you've got to do is appreciate it.

favors and gifts are just ways of saying they care, because they aren't always good at saying that the way other people do.

personally, i prefer the virgo way. actions trump talk anyday. any hustler can say pretty words. they mean nothing. a virgo parting with their time, energy, and/or money for you? that means a whole lot.