Virgo and Pisces

Why is it that in most of the stuff we read about the V/P match, like the famous Linda Goodman, for example - the Virgo and Pisces are excellent matches, yet, the two signs find it very difficult to find harmony? Of course, every person is different, and there are some who can find peace, for the most part, these two signs clash.

Is this a trick? Or, are we both just two darn stubborn?

P-Angel,

I find difficulties arise from lack of communication. I also think Virgos males do get jealous even though most astrological descriptions state the contrary. It can lead to hard feelings on the part of your partner, leaving them thinking you're inconsiderate.
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I'm thinking maybe it's more - the wrong communication - rather than lack. The two signs communicate all the time, it's just not on the same level. I don't know, maybe you're right. It just seems wierd that most Virgo's have a time dealing with the fish and visa-versa, yet, they are supposed to be perfectly matched.

Maybe it's a test.

It's a combination. I think we have much in common but our elemental natures are opposed. As it has been described to me - water finds a home in earth, earth is nurtured by water. However, water can exist without earth but will cause havoc if not contained. Earth needs water in order to flourish and survive. We need each but too much water makes earth muddy, too much earth jams up water leaving it with no place to go.

Striking a balance once the order has been upset is difficult. My mom's a Virgo and I know she starts to feeling very uneasy if we are in communication on some level. She gets more depressed with me out of the picture than with my other siblings. She knows I understand her better so she comes to rely on me more.

Not Romantic? That's not encouraging

"She knows I understand her better so she comes to rely on me more."

I find this true with my V-husband. He knows that no matter what he does, or says, I understand where he's coming from, why he does what he does. And, the same the other way around. When he's away from me, I'm feel like I don't have a direction, I wonder aimlessly. But, when he's with me, I'm more focused and know my purpose.

However, I guess I find it more so in here. The two are at odds alot. Most is just harmless fun, but, for some it's not. For some, it's definite opposition that takes on a 'Real' tone.

I like the way you capitalized "feeling", Dy, I know that was for my benefit . . . lol

I think what I like most about Virgo's, and there are many qualities, is their loyalty and dedication. I know that a lot of people say that the Virgo male is a cheater and a liar - I hear this all the time on here, but, I don't believe that to be true.

When they have a cause, they are completely loyal and dedicated. The secret is, the girl has to make herself his cause, he will remain faithfully hers, if she believes in him.

Well, I've been told that the more severe the reaction the more intense the feelings are. So Dyr, if VirGuy appears cold, unfeeling and responsive the more he cares?

My VirGuy showed up for a brief moment at the bar after playing bball. He saw me sitting with his boss' silent partner who has made some obvious plays for me in the past. He didn't seem to have any reaction but did know that I played the Andrew Sisters on the jukebox. It's those little things he notices that gets me every time, but ignores the obvious stuff. THAT drives me crazy! CF36

He didn't hang around last night but then he may just be tired and funky from bball. I don't want to go in today. I think we need some more space.

Dy, "I'm not a Neat Freak". You know you didn't just say that !!!!! NOT, a neat freak? Well, now I've seen everything ! lol You should talk to my V-man, give him some influence because he drives me nuts, he is so frigging neat and organized. I mean, a hair can't be out of place. And me, I'm a total disaster, scattered. Wow, you're the first V I've ever heard like this. I'm amazed and thrilled. So, my V-man can be messy about his appearance and he won't explode, afterall. lol

Actually, Shaka2, I think the other way around would be better. The male P, female V, mainly because, well . . . I don't want to piss the male V's in here off, but, the Virgo isn't very . . . affection oriented, physically speaking. They are emotionally and mentally, but, not physically enough for a woman's needs. So, the female Virgo, would do well with any male, actually, no matter the Sun Sign. In my assessment, I would think that the female Virgo is probably the perfect female, from the male perspective. They like physical action, sexually, and they don't need the constant stimulation as all the rest of the females of other signs.

Just my view, don't mean to insult you wonderful V's I love so much.

You have to keep in mind, I'm speaking from a female perspective. Never been male and don't plan on it. EVERY female I know who has been with a male Virgo, claims the same. But, I don't know everyone, obviously and there are exceptions to everything. For instance: Dy says he's NOT a neat freak, that's exceptional !!!!

To me this is the perfect gender: Male = Aries, Female = Virgo

But, I'm not V or male, so what the heck do I know.

Remeber always: How we see ourselves isn't necessarily how we are percieved by others.

People find Pisces to be a mystery, nearly impossible to figure us out, but, it's really very easy. We are very simple, and I'll tell you the only thing you need to know to figure us out. Here it is:

We're right, you're wrong - it's that simple

lol

Shaka2, you won't find this woman like that. I know who my man is, who he's not, who I am, and who I'm not! It drives me nuts, too. I can only imagine what it's like for men with women. I think I'm a gay man trapped in a woman's body.

Dy, oh, I thought you meant you weren't a neat freak, at all. I was shocked. But, now I understand. Yes, yes, my V-man has lists and schedules. He even goes into the fridge and arranges items so that the old gets used first and new gets put into the back so there isn't any waste. Gawd . . . . . it makes me want to scream.

Urrrrrrrrrgh, everything is wrong with that. It doesn't HAVE to be perfect. Do you hear me? EVERYTHING doesn't have to be perfect.

And I'm such a smartass, I'll go in and mess something up, just to watch him blow a gasket. I know, I'm a mean witch. But, it's funny to watch - he'll get all frustrated and start griping at how he has to do everything and I can't seem to get it right, what's the matter with me, can't I SEE that it's wrong. He doesn't know I did it on purpose.

lol Shaka, your modesty!

But, I love'em, no doubt, even with his inherent flaw of having to have everything be perf . . . oh, excuse me, he's efficient!!

One time, I was trying to figure out how to use a dog lease, scratching my head, a total look of bewilderment on my brow. He's just watching me and I can see his brain ticking away, thinking . . . she's an idiot. I have to laugh because he was right, it was a frigging dog leash, how difficult is that?

Oh, he's allowed to think that, after all this time together. I go to him with stupid stuff like that all the time because he knows I can't figure a lot of stuff out. He laughs at me, I know that, but, I don't get upset. I know who I am. It's part of what makes our relationship so special and why it works. We are all smart about some things and stupid about others, when we accept that, we don't get offended when we have brain farts.

Oh, he laughs at my stupidity, all the time. I laugh at him too, when he does stupid stuff. Yes, V's can do stupid stuff, too . . . like re-arrange the fridge for the hundredth time, not realizing that it wasn't a ghost who messed it up . . . lol

.."That's because guys in other Signs lack our animal magnetism, enigmatic charm, and savoir faire..."

That's absolutely wrong. I know many Virgo males who are much more shyer, indirect and impractical and not enigmatic at all. Generalising is wrong.

I'm Pisces. And in contrary to what have been said, I'm quite a neat freak. All my tools are in their proper places, oiled and stored. Every door in the house is oiled as well. None of them makes any bad sounds when being opened or closed. My room is always clean, so do computer both hardware and software. I even delete people from my msn list with whom I don't talk more than a month.

As for communicating with Virgos. I don't think we think differently at all. I don't think we have different communication style s. What pisses me off in Virgos is what they try to do.

What do you mean, Haffo: what they try to do.

1) They think that they are flawless which is obviously not.

2) They think they know everything, which is obviously not.

3) They try to learn things from people but never want to share back anything. One way sharing does not work when you live among people. This is parasitism.

4) They think they can win over people with arrogance, but what they do is only piss them off. Never win.

And many more...

Can't remember all of them now.

You mean, trying to make Pisces look stupid?

Ah, read my dog leash tale. It's the honest truth.

See, the problem, I think, Haffo, is what I wrote somewhere in the middle of this post. It was a joke, but, at the same time, I was being serious. Here's how to understand a Pisces:

We're right, you're wrong - it's that simple.

So, when we come across people, they take a step back and usually say nothing. The Virgo will step up to the plate and parley. Perhaps, that's why we need them, we need them to give us a reality check once in a while.

People does not stand back and watch how Pisces fucks up. And it's not only Virgo's who step over people. And Pisces is not hopeless idiot who cannot deal with it's own problem. Get over with this kind statements.

Nobody helped me to stand in place where I stay now. Nor Virgo, nor Aries and nor any other sign. I took what I wanted and this is who I am.

"So, when we come across people, they take a step back and usually say nothing. The Virgo will step up to the plate and parley. Perhaps, that's why we need them, we need them to give us a reality check once in a while."

If you want some info, I saw Taurus is far more direct than any Virgo.

Perhaps, my original assessement on the very first post of this string was the most accurate of all. We're both too stubborn.

We all have flaws, some learned, some inherent - but, you have to admit, Haffo, the Piscean is just as guilty at thinking they know everything, as the Virgonian (is that right? Virgonian?). We bump heads all the time with this. And, I know that you, as well as me, give out advise unwanted, but, not willing to change ourselves when someone gives us a wake-up call. In going over your list, I can see Pisces doing the same things, over and over again.

Perhaps, we are too much alike. We aren't opposite enough.

"But, for the More Limited, Intellectually Challenged, non-Virgo visitors to the Virgo Board, let me categorically declare: The Above Post Is Not To Be Taken Literally - It Is To Be Taken HUMOROUSLY. Any mischaracterisation of my post demonstrates a complete lack of understanding on your part; to wit, you are not too wit..."

Or perhaps this is just because of my cultural background. I don't live in your country to know all your customs. Tactless idiot.

Anyway,

Dy has again started to his BS. Obviously he does not speak for everyone.

Well, in my eyes, I think the Virgo is a very important part of the Pisces needs. They provide comfort, support, as well as, they challenge us to reach higher. Of course, I'm biased, my soul-mate is a Virgo.

"We all have flaws, some learned, some inherent - but, you have to admit, Haffo, the Piscean is just as guilty at thinking they know everything, as the Virgonian (is that right? Virgonian?). We bump heads all the time with this. And, I know that you, as well as me, give out advise unwanted, but, not willing to change ourselves when someone gives us a wake-up call. In going over your list, I can see Pisces doing the same things, over and over again."

If you talk about typical Pisces, I will not deny anything. But when you are talking about me, well, then you are wrong in all above. 😉

" Or, perhaps, Mature Pisces & Mature Virgo can debate issues like adults...... and LEARN from each other."

I asked you to answer my question straightly. The only thing you did, is acting stupid. I guess you are immature Virgo then.

"Well, in my eyes, I think the Virgo is a very important part of the Pisces needs. They provide comfort, support, as well as, they challenge us to reach higher. Of course, I'm biased, my soul-mate is a Virgo."

Virgo's are spendable P-Angel.

I know I learn a lot from Virgo's, and not just their vast source of knowledge, but, I learn a lot about myself, my purpose and isn't that the only real thing a Pisces desires? Why are we here, what is our purpose? Nirvana!

Virgo's help us with this, even when the conditions are adverse (ok, what tense should that be used? adversarily, adversaritified? urg, i don't know). Haffo, don't you, after the day is done, sit back and think about all that has been said? Don't you hash over everyone's different points of view? I do, and you know what? It's usually only what Virgo's say. To them, I listen a lot. That doesn't mean, I do everything they say, I'm not a puppy. But, they have a lot of insight. And, I know you listen, because you come back and argue, just as I do at times, that means we heard what they said and it had some kind of impact, whether it be positive or negative.

lol Dy, I gotta have my fun and if you could see him. He'll open the fridge and find his RIMS all out of whack . . . it's like the world is ending. It's a hoot, his arms are flinging, he's muttering, his eyes are flashing with definite displeasure. It's the funniest thing I've ever seen.

"Haffo, don't you, after the day is done, sit back and think about all that has been said?"

I used to be. But no. Not anymore. I still see some Virgos suffering these problems, however. It's good to give them advises. However, I'm very direct person. If something has been left untalked, I'm right on top of it.

" I do, and you know what? It's usually only what Virgo's say. To them, I listen a lot."

If you talk only to Virgos abot this, then you're right. But there are many other people who are even better. You can even talk with Aries about these things. And they can give you good insight as well. Or even Pisces. You can't generalise this. It's not in Virgo's monopoly.

Hey, speaking of Mr. Soulmate Virgo man . . . he just walked through the door, gotta go. Sorry mates, he takes priority.

Over and out!

Later

And?

virgo and the fish are opposites...can work...

shaka does anyone call you shake and bake?

SHAKA.... SHAKA...... SHAKA...... KHAN...😉

i very much like your name...

I am getting a bit miffed here at the negative feedback my sign is getting. Not ALL Pisces are wearing rose-colored glasses. Many of us are realistic. To be a dreamer has a lot of responsbility inbued with it. If you're given a vision you are expected to see it through. Otherwise, why would God or whomever endow with such an awesome responsibility! For me, I am very intuitive! At times, it's a real burden. If anyone out there has ever watched the show "Medium" knows what I mean. I completely indentify with that character. You are always trying to sort through what's real, what's perceived, and what's received (as in messages). It takes WORK, real WORK to stay grounded. It's not that we're 'flighty' all the time. We Pisces can be very efficient, organzied with fantastic memories. We can execute and deliver over long periods of time while under immense pressure. We have nervous breakdowns in the meantime but we see any project to the end. We are the last sign in the zodiac so completion is important to us.

I used to work in fashion - try getting a 18 year old top model high on blow into a
$ 16,000 outfit and $ 800 pair of shoes without getting cursed out. IT AIN'T EASY Y'ALL. I've worked with some famous, tempermental bitches without a single scratch on me. CF36

M ldy,

WOW! I didn't know there was a Lilith in Midheaven node. I am going to have to check mine out.

Yes, there is a gooey reassurance when I am in the presence of my opposite. It's called BALANCE. When one meets his/her true other self there is a great sense of relief followed by a deep, resonant sigh. Yet, like all reflections mirrored back at us, we aren't always comfortable with what we see. Virgos and Pisces see their true selves defined in the other, yet, we recoil when undergoing further circumspection. It's a true and natural place to be, if you are willing to put in the work. It's not easy reconciling the "other".

The conflict I am currently facing with my VG friend is my tendency to over-indulge. It doesn't seem to matter that he's been there pushing me towards the edge and holding my hand every step of the way into oblivion. It doesn't phase him that he's partly an enabler (he'll never admit it. Contributing to another's downfall is too much for VG to take ownership of.) Then again, it might trouble him. He's making a known through every imaginable outlet (other than his own lips) that he feels some what responsible for my binges but now it's up to me to fix it and make it right so he doesn't have to feel guilty anymore. At least that is my interpretation, without a mirror.

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M Ldy,

All I can say is that when no one else was around, and VG had the space and time to speak honestly, openly and freely, I truly felt elevated. I was my best self when he was around, and he and he felt the same way. Others could see it to; they wanted a small part or a piece of it. Men were more drawn to me when he was around because I felt safe. Like I said, I could be myself. We accepted each other without pressure or prejudice. It didn't last for long. When other people break into that plane of existence, the delicate sweetness dissipated.

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"Virgos and Pisces aren't that different. I wish people would stop saying that"

Indeed Branh0913. Some people need to pull their heads out of their butts. 😉

I agree Brahn, like I said, they aren't opposite enough, sometimes.

We were just having fun, poking back and forth . . . don't take our dialogue so seriously fellow fish.

But, on that serious note . . . perhaps it wouldn't hurt to accept, once in a while, that nobody can do EVERYTHING alone, we are suppose to have other people to help us along in this life. That doesn't mean it has to be dependence, but, it is leaning on others in a sense. Deny that and you might as well die because that would mean you're now above humans. Even here, on this board, we look to others to assist us in our life, like: should I change my career, how would this love match work, etc. That is asking someone to assist us, help us to grow. Accepting who you are is essential to Pisces, for we are lacking in a lot of areas, just as everyone is lacking in many areas.

Peace

Dyr,

You're the best! I love that you're eager to help us/me. I love you sense of humor and sense of fun.

In my heart I don't know that I can truly walk away. But I need time. I am distracted by my work situation. Things aren't going well here and I haven't been appraised of my situation. My focus has shifted a bit and I've become more introverted. The thing about my VG is that I know he'll probably say "NO" when it comes to meeting outside the bar. He's either at home or at the bar. I called him an "old man" once. He was so elated that I figured him out. He's not a going out sort of person.

I will surely need you advice later and I don't mind you butting in at all. You see, I am older than him by 9 years. With that comes some insecurities regarding body image. I'm in pretty good shape although I could lose another 15 pounds, but couldn't we all?

I have no doubt you should be teaching the MS class. Virgos are brainy?

Thanks again. You're a rare find Dyr.

Dy

You actually need to try act according to what you've said first, before blaming others.

Cat, it's so funny that you said that. For some reason, Virgo's like to be "old", isn't that funny? Mine is the same way. If I treat him as though he's on old man, he feels better about himself.

I wonder what the means?

Last fall I told him he should let me make him dinner sometime. He looked quizzically off into the distance, but didn't respond. I know he loves listening to what I prepared for dinner. I told him I would make Braised Lamb Shanks with Garlic/Parmasean Mashed Potatoes. His interest was peaked but nothing beyond that.

Dyr, you know how you VG can get when you're unresponsive or ignoring us. It like trying to chisel away at marble.

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I know you're right. Direct is best. It's always worked in the past but I am afraid of getting burned. REALLY BURNED.

Cat, this may piss you off, and I have a knack at ticking people off, so, I won't be surprised if this happens, but, it sounds like you are bordering obsession with this bloke. All kinds of good ideas are thrown your way with how to deal with him, and you just continue in your vigil that he adores you.

But, what do I know? Probably nothing. lol

Dy, yes, he is like fine wine . . . delicious and tantalizing.

Pisces can be easily self-delusioned, it's a difficult aspect of our lives to deal with, for most of the time, we don't know it's happening. I fall under that spell all the time. Good thing I have other people in my life to throw a safety net out to me.

Why is it always raining in my brain? lol