Virgo and Pisces (Page 2)

P-Angel,

Yes, it does piss me off a bit. I don't know where you get the "adores" me thing. I've mentioned repeatedly our difficulties and differences. How he tends to communicate leaves me confused - Does he or doesn't he have feelings? I don't think he adores me, I don't know what he truly feels. Everyone tells me if did, then he would do this...Then I listen to Dyr who makes sense and is reassuring, encouraging me to take the lead. All of us females are here for reason. But right now, I've got other pressing matters on my brain and can't get clear as to what to do next. I don't want to get into a relationship when other matters are pressing, but I don't want to lose the friendship either.

I tend to obsess over problems, not people. I can't stand being in the dark regardless of who is involved. Right now I am trying to sort out whether or not I am going to have a position in my present place of business. It's all very daunting not knowing where you stand on any level. CF36

Yes, dinner is a good thing. Friendship is a good thing. Sex is a fantastic thing. Put it all together in a stew and what have you got? One saucy dish! My gut tells me not to rush. Heal the riff first, then take it from there. As much as I want to I don't think the time is right to grab him and plant passionate kisses if I think he's still upset with me.

Dy is right when he says to take the lead. Virgo's are very strong people, no doubting that, but, sometimes they can be a little submissive in the initiatin of relationships. By pushing him a tad (not alot), he will respect you for it.

Don't be mad, Cat . . . I just say stuff to throw it out there to chew on and ponder.

Peace

P-Angel.

I think I am more stressed than anything. But thanks! I do appreciate your insight. Didn't mean to put your head on the chopping block. I know you're trying to help.

DYR,

OK. I can do the "go up to the bar" thing. I hate doing it because he's holding a stupid grudge over something I didn't do! Note, letter - yes, I've considered it.

Cat,

Are you sure he's worth this much effort at this juncture in your life? I don't necessarily mean him specifically, but, with what you said about being stressed at work, wouldn't it be beneficial to your anxiety level to take a step back and not be so pressured (obssessed - I know you don't like that word) at dealing with this - at this time?

Perhaps, just clearing your mind of so many things at one time would provide the answers you seek.

He's not going anywhere, it sounds like. You know exactly where to find him. Maybe you're putting too much on your plate and things are becoming overwhelming. Deal with your work situation, then, you'll have more room in your head to handle this Virgo. Because, truth be told, Virgo's require alot of attention and focus.

ONCE AGAIN! A MILLION THANKS TO YOU DYR, AND TO YOU P-ANGEL. I only hope I can repay your patience with equal kindness and wisdom.

Yes, healthy, sane and stable me it crucial at the moment: and I am not quite there which is why I hesistate to do anything. We both need reassuring and we're not getting it from the other. Yes, I will have to do the bulk of the emotional work but as you say, only I can judge if it's worth it. When it works it's beautiful and effortless. Being around him always feels like I am at home. Kind of like the Talking Head's song "HOME".

You are so right. I know I can't live without my man. Without him, I would certainly die - he's my rock . . . well, with age, he's become . . . shoot, I should be thanking the makers of Viagra . . . oh, that's right, we're not talking about sex . . . lol

But, they do require a lot of attention. We all require a lot of attention, just in different forms. I know, I require a heck of a lot more than he does.

That reminds me . . . that's one thing that is difficult to understand and perhaps this might be what's so hard on Catfish, as well . . . Virgo's don't require other people's input quite as much as a Pisces. Cat, you find (from what I've read), that it's hard to get inside him, to know what's going on, where you stand, ect. Virgo's can hold their own counsel, they don't need the input of others while they assess a situation. And being Pisces (and female), our brains find comfort in knowing how another feels and what they are thinking, in order for us to come to a conclusion. He's Virgo, he's the opposite - he needs quite and privacy with no interuptions to come to a conclusion. This makes it very difficult sometimes, because we both require different things.

Does that make sense?

P-Angel,

You've hit on the head lady! We both need a sense of safety and assurance. Virgos find it in quiet places, as do Pisces. When I was a child, my mother (Virgo) and I could spend an eternity together and never open our mouths. Just being around the other was all the security we both needed. I'm at the point where not being around doesn't work for me. If I were ever a way for more that a week VirGuy would say "Were you've been?" Or if I left the bar early he'd ask "You're leaving now! I didn't sign on for that!"

All right. This is sounding stupid and gushy. I need to stop.

DYR,

Hey man. Don't become a sympathy junkie on me. I'm gonna need you clear and focused soldier, to kick me in the ass when I need it. '-) CF36

Good, everybody is great !!!!

You need to carry your bum to class, young man "Old Man". Be gone with you, then.

That reminds me of a Black Crowes song "Young Man Crazy, Old Man Wise.... some folks real, some just jive." You're the real deal Dyr.

Oh, oops, we shouldn't be disturbing you, sorry!!

Goodbye

Good, my plan is working, then. I'm looking for disturbed deviants and I've found another to bring into my fold. lol

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH Boy,

Once again the VirGuy thinks he has the market on planning. NOT TRUE. Pisces' have vision and execution on our side. Lest you forget again, I'll be here to remind you. ;-0 CF36

A Virgo-Pisces relationship can be a great relationship together and also has the potential of being the worst. It depends a lot on the two peoples other signs. I wouldnt know about in love however this relatioship has a strong potential to flourish or be a disaster.

Hi P-Angel,

This is from what you said earlier "The secret is, the girl has to make herself his cause, he will remain faithfully hers, if she believes in him."

Can you elaborate on that, or give me an example? Thanx!

AW

Well

I had these experiences with 11 fish in my life?at first sounds good. .then at the end... it grows boring...

Shared life experience is about to exchange, if you can't... then you can't. .stop this bullshit about star signs?.

Virgo or Fish stuff?..

Message posted by: arieswoman on 8/4/2006 2:30:45 AM
Hi P-Angel,

This is from what you said earlier "The secret is, the girl has to make herself his cause, he will remain faithfully hers, if she believes in him."

Can you elaborate on that, or give me an example? Thanx!



Yes, I can, but, I'm not short-winded, so this could take a while. Put your reading glasses on . . lol

First, to understand what I mean by this, a person has to understand the Virgo. Most people see them as critical and controlling because they always have something to say about EVERYTHING. Let me rephrase that . . . women see them this way. And the reason why is because the modern woman is so strong and wants power. In the old days, as we know, men were in charge, women sat back and awaited their man to direct them in life. Now, it's not like that . . obviously . . but, the male Virgo still has this sense of wanting to solve everything. Not, that they want a weak woman to sit back and await his orders . . of course not. But, he's still going to think about everything and try to find an answer, to solve a problem, to fix something.

My point is, modern woman sees this as controlling because SHE has evolved into being the dominate and stronger gender. But, that's not the case. The male Virgo has no desire to control anybody . . when they say things contrary to what you (you, meaning, a woman) say, or do . . it's for the purpose of always desireing to improve your life, wanting to fix whatever it is that might be a deterant, aiding you in becoming wiser, finding a more effecient way of doing things . . not control.

It's in the manner of which we (women) understand their motives. And let's face it, most people look at how it is recieved and act on it, rather than how it was meant. And seeing that we are female, emotionally weaker . . yet, more powerful in our society, we don't stop to consider his intentions when he contridicts us.

In here, when we see all this bashing about the Virgo's, it's mostly women saying these things. And, that's for the reason stated above. Because women believe it's their right to be in charge because they are female, they strike out at Virgo's because the V just won't step down from his constant critiquing . . because he can't. It's in his nature to serve, to fix, to find system and organization.

The problem is like I said . . it's the women who have to be right and believe that the man has to be under her thumb, under h

I know that hasn't answered your question and I'm trying to get there.

So, because we realize that the male Virgo's place in a relationship is to serve his female counterpart in making her life better . . that is the reason for his critiquing, then, we as women have to step down off of our thrones and allow him to help us.

There are areas in our lives that we can't do, or we don't know, or we do need help . . but, because we think we are stronger and can handle ourselves . . we prevent him from living up to what he feels is his place.

By saying that the secret is by making ourselves his cause . . I mean, accepting that we do need him to fix us sometimes, to help us figure things out. If we give him areas to fix us, we make ourselves his cause in those areas. He will take this on with pride and do work his mind, fingers and soul to the bones to aid us, because it's in his nature to do this done to his very core. He WANTS to improve our lives, that is his aim.

Give him this, stand down and allow him to be a Virgo, make yourselve his cause by giving him something of you to repair, or coach, or heal in some way and he'll remain loyal and faithful to you until the bitter end because he knows . .

. . you have faith in him, you believe in him.

Ok, so that wasn't as long as I thought.

Hope that helps to understand what I meant.

Arieswoman,

Sometimes, I literally cry about this very thing, as I watch women in real life and in here . . take on the attitude that they don't need anybody. They can handle thier lives just fine. They aren't going to be told what to do, they are independent, self-reliant, they are in charge.

They would see Virgo's as critical and destructive to them. When, they aren't. And by treating a Virgo that way, they are actually the ones destroying the Virgo because they would tear away the Virgo's sense of belonging to this world.

As women get more independent, the more obsolete the male Virgo becomes, because he isn't needed in this world any longer . .

. . . that is, until the woman falls emotionally, which she will do because she is female. Then, she will run to him . . . then chastise him because he isn't there emotionally for her.

It tears me apart inside that we do this to him. The secret is in just understanding that his aim is to help us, guide us . . not control us. Instead, we would rather take away his reason to live in this world.

Ok, I'll stop.

Ok, I didn't stop. I lied . . they say Pisces are deceptive, so, I can get away with lying and blame it on my sun.

One more thing . . . once a woman fully realizes that their V-man does these things for her . . not against her . . . he then begins to trust you more and becomes more patient and tolerant. Women who say these awful things about Virgo's is because they haven't given him the chance to trust her, because she doesn't trust him and his intentions. ONce, he knows within his heart that you believe in him, the rest of your life will beautiful, loving and peaceful . . he'll make sure of it.

P-Angel,
Wow, you've got me in tears now. That was the most insightful thing I have ever read. That was beautiful. I agree with you completely. I used to think that I can accomplish everything a man can, but I'm all grown up now. And I now realize that we really do need them to guide us in certain ways and depend on them in ways we don't want to admit. I will heed your advice and accept my existance as a woman and not a man. We are equal and we are there to help each other, always...I especially love the part..."And by treating a Virgo that way, they are actually the ones destroying the Virgo because they would tear away the Virgo's sense of belonging to this world." I would never want to tear away his sense of belonging to this world, especially not mine...Love ya lots for the guidance. AW

Awwww, now I'm in tears. Thank you, too. You're so sweet and I just know that your Virgo man cherishes you just as much as you do him . . he has to . . you're one of a kind.

Take Care . . hugs and kisses.

Hey P-Angel,

Since you're a pisces, right? What can you tell me about my Venus in Pisces? I hear that the Venus sign is the sign we use to fall in love with or something like that. Thanks

AW

Branh0913,

lol, yeah...I've calmed down alot. Maybe because I've found someone that makes me feel secure about myself finally.

Actually, Arieswoman, I don't really know too much about the planets. Venus in Pisces would give me some ideas about what that means, since I know how it feels to be Pisces.

Lol, my Venus is in Aries . . . I know how that feels.

Branh is pretty good with the positioning of planets and a lot other people in here, too. My knowledge is limited, except for a few.

Branh,

What's Venus in Pisces mean? Well with my combo of Sun/Moon, which is Aries/Taurus..

I pulled this from Cafe Astrology

Venus in Pisces people project themselves as dreamy, soft-hearted partners. Everything about the way they flirt promises a lovely time. Theirs is an elusive charm -- they are sweetly playful, a little moody, and perhaps a little irregular. They appreciate romance and poetry, and they prefer to "feel out" both you and the relationship you share, so don't expect too much planning ahead. Their sensitivity can be a little misleading at times. Yes, they are sensitive folk, but lovers may find it maddening that this sensitivity is not only directed at them, but towards all of mankind.

Venus in Pisces men and women want you to know that their love is unconditional. They are unimpressed by your status, and love and accept you for all that you are inside. They love the underdog and are attracted to wayward folks, or those in need of a little help. With their romantic view of the world, they can be unreasonably attracted to states of suffering and martyrdom, so they easily get into the role of saving someone, or being saved. Unlike Venus in Libra, which thrives on equality, Venus in Pisces is actually turned on by inequality! They can be rather confusing and hard to pin down as they feel their way through their relationships. As much as they may want to, they find it hard to commit. Many do end up committing, however, at least on the surface.

Pleasing Venus in Pisces involves enjoying tender moments and romantic times with them. You won't always be able to count on them. In fact, you can be sure they will stretch the truth every once in a while. But remember they do this because they fear they might hurt you, and they can't bear to cause you any heartache. Try to understand them, although that's never an easy task considering the fact that they don't always know themselves. And, truth is, some Venus in Pisces privately have a love affair going with the idea of being misunderstood. Try to put up with their apparent lack of direction in the relationship -- they are so receptive and open to all possibilities that it is hard for them to commit to any one thing, idea, or even person. These intriguing partners will reward you with a love that is accepting and comes as close to unconditional as humans can get.

DYR,

I have to laugh at your post. Less patience with flightiness, but dude, you're in the Air Force? I know it's NOT the same flightiness but these of the oddities I find with Virgos. My best Virgo friend hates drama, but she's a lawyer. So, I say to her "...you're around drama every day but you claim not to like it." She gave me some explanation which wasn't really an answer. Yet, things you say annoy you, seem to draw you in nonetheless.

me Virgo male 40,separated from Picses female 34, Sept.2005

relationship was great in the beginning,we could not stand to be away from each other for about the 1rst 4 1/2 years of a 6 year relationship.

she turned sour,not me. I started learning to trade stocks after tiring of the ever growing crap in todays corporate world.

i started trading near the end of 2002 and she thought it was great for about the first 2 years,although I could sense that she always had her doubts regarding the potential of success.She used to always remind me of her uncle Gil who lost a big bundle in the millinium tech bubble.I think her family had much to do in her lost feelings for me,always reminding her of good ole uncle Gil.

I decided that the best way to learn was with a small account and there for if it turned out I lost,I would not be risking all that much.

I have to admit that I spent alot of long hours reading charts and verifying different strategies as well as putting in 40-50 hours a week at the regular evening job. She would spend quite abit of time with me,never trying to see what I was learning but keeping me company.I imagine that would get boring for someone that didn't really share the interest. We lived together for almost the entire 6years. She moved into my home about 4 months into the relationship. I thought we were doing pretty good,we went for walks 5 - 6 days a week. Every winter we'd visit our favorite hot spots in the Caribean and Mexico,at least once.Took a trip every summer to visit her family and mine. Dined out together at least once a month.Went for a Saturday drive usually 2-3 times a month.Cuddled up for a movie once or twice a month.

I always knew that someday the stocks would pay off.Only wished that I could have convinced her and her family of that.They are great people just that happened to be scared of the stock market from good ole uncle Gil's horror story.

I am now earning in a week what most hardworking people earn in a month all in about a 30 hour work week.I now have life by the balls and she left about 6 months before my dreams were realized.Last I heard she was with someone knew but I did drive by her work in May and tryed to talk to her. I asked her why she treats me like a drug addict because of my fascination with stocks? All she did is turn around and shoot me the bird lol.Too bad I was very in much in love with her.

Maybe the time I spent single since the separation was what I needed to foc

Maybe the time I spent single since the separation was what I needed to focus on success ...who knows