Most Intelligent? (Page 2)

"Most agree that the mark of a genius is shown in their body of work, which reflects the application of broader intelligence."

So very TRUE!

You should see my body, it is a piece of work 😉

"Haven't you said so yourself Water = Emotion?"

Are you speaking to me? Cause the first part of your post quoted someone else...

"Just because I don't agree with your impatience"

I was never impatient... I merely laid out the reasons for my conclusion in the hopes that you would intelligently do the same. It is called a debate.

And, as you stated, you are the one getting impatient...

"I believe an art is an intelligence, and I've never heard of a stupid artist, but art and intelligence are more complex than 1 + 1 = 2"

But, previously you were speaking of being "good with numbers". Which do you define as intelligence. The point is, when you don't specify what "type" of intelligence, then the concept of "general intelligence" can become very subjective, which would necessitate clarifying so that other people know what YOU mean by "general intelligence". Yes, I see art as intelligent, but how many artists are naturally good at calculus? There are people referred to as "universal geniuses" that cross the bounds of different types of intelligence, but only 3 have been universally accepted and the vast majority of people are good at one or the other, or even a third or fourth.

"And Scorpios are Water signs, of course they aren't going to be identical to the Fire signs, but isn't Leo and Fire sign, and the most laid back out of all of them?"

Ummm, so you are agreeing that Scorpios are water signs?

All fire signs are to some degree laid back, until you piss them off... LOL! That being said, I would personally think that Sagittarius is the most laid back of them all.

"If we are born to learn lessons, and each sign has their own lesson, it is what we are trying to achieve."

Of that, I do not disagree.

"They have anger problems like fire signs."

Much like Cancers...

"They are competitive and aren't likely to accept much advice (yes, GENERALLY) like fire signs do, also."

Again, much like Cancers... Does that mean Cancers are fire signs, too?!? 😉

"The moon is the emotion, inside, true self and mysterious side. The Sun is appearance and outer. Well, we are divided into these types, aren't we? We are more than the Moon, Sun, and etceteras. And that's why there is more planets."

That is what I was trying to say. Yes, we are divided into sun signs, moon signs, and many more. But, we are not MERELY sun signs or MERELY moon signs but all of the signs in our charts combined into a unique individual. It is like cooking... A cake is not merely flour or merely sugar, otherwise no one would eat (except in the case of sugar, LOL)...

"Do you know what a cusp is, alcheme?"

Yes.

"And have you heard of India's philosophy of the five elements' interactions when they are housed in the body?"

Are you referring to the five elements in ayurveda? If so, what exactly would be the relevance here?

"Alcheme, you must have missed everything I have said so far."

I haven't missed it, I merely disagree with it. As the say, opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...including me (but, don't tell my boyfriend, LOL 😉).

"Not -everyone- is complex as you put it to be"

Ummmm, yes, they are. Or are you merely "just" a Cancer?

"Are you displaying how much you know about astrology? What? No, I am not trying to be offensive, I just assumed you've read and thought about it at least around as much as I have, because I don't see Astrology as inaccurate and yet am no professional."

I have read and thought about astrology quite a bit. And, I don't see astrology as inaccurate per se, but I do see your interpretation of it to be.

"Gemini? (And they wonder why Gems think people act jealous.) Though I just see it as being spiteful"

Actually, it is called sarcasm. Considering I have a Gemini moon that I adore, insulting Geminis would also be insulting myself...

"Why would they be so spiteful as to disagree with the general and universal saying that water is emotion and insist that Water is the most intelligent?"

Who was disagreeing that water signs are emotional?!?!? And, I never saw anyone stating that water signs are the most intelligent. To me, the responses were an attempt to prove that water signs HAVE intelligence, in response to your assertion that water signs primary skill is with "cooking and children".

"Aren't we in the age of Aquarius? We're also in the age of "technology" or "knowledge." That is only one symptom of intelligence, but thank you for finally suggesting something."

WTF are you talking about?!? Where exactly did this come from?!?

"So are you saying alcheme despite all your encounters you still forget the very symbol that stands for Capricorn?"

No, I merely disagree with you that the merging of the symbols of Aries and Pisces means that Capricorns are personality-wise a merging of Aries and Pisces...

"Stupid because he does not agree with you? Surely you can fill me in. I wouldn't be mistaken if I said "us" in, right?"

I am assuming you are talking to WBTG here? It would be EXCEEDINGLY helpful if you quote the things your are responding to, otherwise your posts seem erratic and are extremely hard to follow...

"Leonardo is a Monkey in Chinese Astrology, and even though they call the cat clever, and the dragon wise, the Monkey is the "mark of the genius," as you can guess, the Monkey is extremely similar to Gemini."

So, are you wanting to know who is the most intelligent sign in western astrology or chinese astrology?!?! LOL!

"But I have never heard of Gott or Johann, (especially for being so known.) "

Both were the basis for Nietzche's concept of the "overman", and all three are generally accepted as the most intelligent people to ever have existed. Perhaps an internet search would be helpful...

"You respond, but you respond too quick. What do you do with your time?"

Ummmm, I was attempting to post something actually relevant to the original intent of the thread, which I was putting together while you seemed to be posted. After my post was made, I notice that you had responded. But, to answer your question, I do a lot with my time. Most of it on the computer, which affords me the opportunity to check the board regularly...

(Sigh)

(Nod, nod nod)

You would think I know what I'm talking about. I would assume you know what you're talking about, because I don't expect people to be thin on the surface because I am (because I'm not.) The Monkey, is the mark of genius in -CHINESE ASTROLOGY- which means over all of their studies of work, even if your statement was true, who so seems to put out blatant 'facts' to support your claims off the top of your head, I think I would be able to separate the good work from the bad and unpopular work. How much do you know about Chinese Astrology?

You mean you're going to start 'stop' arguing? Finally...

I really don't feel like answering, however if you insist I answer later when I feel like it I will. I just don't want to deal with someone who can't keep up. You'll find it around. It is the age of Aquarius right now. I thought at least, you've heard that.

Unless someone like you who seems to contradict themself in desperation to defeat your point compiled the Zodiac, I doubt anyone with common sense would match animals or mythical creatures to their persons and forget Capricorn.

People who quote tend to be people who use LOLs (not so uncommon) and joke around, also people who aren't as able to make connections or have bad memory, which I wouldn't rely on too much, because I have bad memory and never needed quotes. No, this is not just something I 'made up on the spot.' I have, however used quotes for you every now and then. But it takes up too much space.

I already know the most intelligent sign in western and eastern, I think that might be why I was exploring each by element.

Be careful with that. I patrolled a board regularly once, nothing good came from it.

""Leonardo da Vinci:
- Sun: Taurus
- Moon: Pisces
- Asc: Sagittarius
- Mercury: Aries
- Jupiter: Pisces"

Da Vinci was an Aries, born April 15, 1452."

Yes, he was, but I think that the chart I pulled from adjusted his birthday according to the difference between the Julian and Gregorian calendars.

"Specifically, for dates on or before 4 October 1582, the Julian calendar is used; for dates on or after 15 October 1582, the Gregorian calendar is used."

I believe there is a 10 day difference in the two calendars, making his Gregorian birth date April 25, 1452. Or atleast if I understand it correctly...?

"Yes, there is intelligent life forms "out there""

LOL!

"I really don't feel like answering, however if you insist I answer later when I feel like it I will."

PLEASE, don't bother. Let's just agree to disagree, shall we?


"Be careful with that. I patrolled a board regularly once, nothing good came from it."

Of that, I have no doubt...

I don't know where I belong....

On the Most Intelligent board or the Least Intelligent board


I dunno....earth is beginning to look full, I best just go home.

WBTG, actually, I own you a big apology about the insult comment... I have come to the conclusion that some people ARE just plain ignorant (not referring to you, LOL) and calling them out on that is not necessarily proof of a lack of logical support for your argument. I was wrong. I am sorry! 🙂

"I noticed that Alcheme, me and that AS thingy have a Gem moon. Ew!"

So, do I!?!?! How about we just disown that "AS thingy" (LOL, awesome btw)?

Thank you everyone, I will reply to any unexchanged comments later. Are you saying alcheme, you and I have Gemini in Moon? You two take more than a simple shrug to argue with I have come across in a long while, not to say I have been looking for an argument, because arguing with the ignorant simply annoys you, but that's probably because I've spent my last 'big thing' on YouTube, where idiots are infested. Otherwise arguing with fangirls, who are not over-intellectual. But I've had more experience with negative conversation, and so am more less likely to just spew insults or voice my personal opinion instead of using logic.

"and so am more less likely to just spew insults or voice my personal opinion instead of using logic."

So, ummmm, when exactly are you going to start using logic?!?

Well, since I won't be responding to this specific board you could read it over again. If you can make even the least sense of what I've said, logic was being used. That or it stopped at an end where we both disagree or you simply got lost in translation. I've used logic in facts like machine = pollution and cancer. Pollution = unhealthy environment, and that means destroying peace.

Some people simply cannot understand that, however I THINK alcheme seems less domineering and arrogant than sagitaureus and waterbearingtwingoat who both have proved the irrational practice of straightforwardly blaspheming people.

Again,

You are making the same mistake. You take symbolism and place it into personality types. They are not. They are not even similar, leave alone same. Cap's depth comes from it's evolution level. Even Saggitarius has depth, witch contributes it phylosophiness. You are looking at different aspecst of things.

As for ambitions. Aries is not an ambitious sign. Aries is enthusiastic, adventurous, aggressive, humorous, passionate, and pioneering character but one which is also prone to selfishness, boastfulness, intolerance, impulsiveness, and impatience. They are far from being ambitious. Ambition comes with accomplishing things. Aries rarely completes what they start. This is why Capricorn is sign of ambitions.

"Guess so. Don't really care enough to argue. Its all yours dude. happy?"

Whats your problem? Why do you try to turn this topic into shit?

Is it just me or did Albino Shadow spend a whole thread talking himself in circles like an idiot just to say "I win cuz I don't want to do this anymore", talk about the intillectual depths of the you tube comments spaces and walk out?

Albino, if you go out and get your tubes tied tommorrow I will convince everyone into voting for your sign as the winner of "strategic" intelligence.

I promise. I am an air sign...and I like monkeys and asians so I must be capable of this. Your logic says so.

"You are making the same mistake. You take symbolism and place it into personality types. They are not. They are not even similar, leave alone same."

I find it impossible to believe you know what 'zodiac' means, and you know what 'symbolism' means and do not find a connection with Virgo being a woman or Capricorn climbing to new heights like the head of a goat or ram which they gave it.

"Whats your problem? Why do you try to turn this topic into butter?"

"Is it just me or did Albino Shadow spend a whole thread talking himself in circles like an idiot just to say "I win cuz I don't want to do this anymore", talk about the intillectual depths of the you tube comments spaces and walk out?"

That sounded entirely intelligent by itself. In fact, you have proved yourself 100% of understanding when someone says something, and therefor you have not misunderstood anything and so your argument becomes 100% acceptable.

"Albino, if you go out and get your tubes tied tommorrow I will convince everyone into voting for your sign as the winner of 'strategic' intelligence."

You have convinced people of enough, thank you.

I find we're also not talking of the same intelligence. You must think humans indeed come from monkeys and monkeys come from nothing (when it comes down to it) and that because a robot is capable of interacting between a robot that does something when you push a button is 'smarter' or has an 'intelligence.' I am not talking about a scientific 'intelligence' in humans, aka the ability to do something on one's own, I am talking about a SMART PERSON. In other words, look in the mirror and count yourself out.

"I like monkeys and asians."

Liking monkeys does not count. Asians alone was very uncalled for.

"I find we're also not talking of the same intelligence."

Because you haven't made a solid argument for what you consider intelligence to be. How can anyone be talking of the same intelligence as you?

"Liking monkeys does not count. Asians alone was very uncalled for."

This is a perfect example of why everyone is getting so frustrated with you. You haven't stuck to the goal of the arguement, and simply twist what others state instead of solidifying any intelligent argument yourself. That comment was sarcasm, don't turn it into something else.

We both have different opinions what intelligent is, with your narrow mind we aren't able to get anywhere, especially being each very convinced we are right. I always used to believe there was 'multiple intelligences,' that is before I gave it a bit more though.

Why do you make such claims and so annoyingly attack people with such ridiculous aggression? If I was someone holding a gun, I would indeed be provoked to shoot you.

My claims have not been made solid because you do not accept them to your mold of your own personal opinions, in fact I can just as easily (emphasize) say what you do about not making solid arguments.

"This is a perfect example of why everyone is getting so frustrated with you." Not everyone thinks like you.

I do not expect you not to be frustrated, this is no surprise, but your personal problems are not my problems. You are also probably aiming that negative energy ineffectively at me because you don't seem to want to admit to ever being frustrated with yourself.

Only the very petty and seemingly personal people have hung around long enough to agree with anyone to make you sure enough on stating anything. I am also stubborn and so do not leave, but that is because I finish what I start (or bother to get involved in) and find you, and others who seem to agree with the bumptious WaterBearingTwinGoat very wrong, and am unlikely to tell someone wrong that they're right. Open your mind just this much. (Holds up tiny distance between fingers.)

If you think all arguments stick firmly to one subject without further reference or example you're wrong. I have not stuck firmly to the goal of the argument because you have made it very difficult for me too, in fact I find that statement incredibly hypocritical and it would take two (in this case three or four) people to argue, especially being so "responsive" stick to the same point. How hard can answering a simple question be? But some seem to insist emotion and action and thought all equal the same level of intelligence, defying any literature or knowledge of the Zodiac beforehand. However everything we have discussed certainly relates. So I think it would be better if you did not simply dump all of this on me, because that would be unreasonable and ridiculous.

"And simply twist what others state instead of solidifying any intelligent argument yourself."

I don't see how it was sarcasm. If it was, I wouldn't bother to mention it. No one said you would like the way I talk, but at least it is reasonable and kept with restraint instead of complete force. If you think WaterBearingTwinGoat is intelligent that is probably because your manner of arguing with someone is very similar and you also show overly loyal expression in technology. You are more masculine and so are likely (like all technologists) to say technology is a separate intelligence and an equally great one instead of being a category of knowledge.

"You HAVE no personality, do you."

It depends which personality you're talking about.

"But you are still in fact, an idiot."

That's the same thing I think about WaterBearingTwinGoat, but I don't say it like you do and I don't lay it down as solid fact. You should learn the difference between what is valid and what is opinion. For opinion, see WaterBearingGoat's insults.

"you *are* a NOTHING. all you do is take what you hear, mix it up in your head, and spew it out in random order. that is why no one listens to you here. you do not formulate any ideas out of what you hear, and rather than think about things, you'd prefer to try and make arguments out of nothing."

And that my lad is complete bull. You love to make up things and state personal opinion like solid fact, don't you? You aren't even that responsive, you stir the pot and watch from afar, adding insults to where there is already a pile. You also accuse me of liking argument because you have no argument. I truly do not care for your personal opinion, and now I trust you to know what it is. I do not tell you repeatedly that you are stupid, stupid, stupid, nothing, but you seem to want to provoke that kind of -mindless- and -intelligent- argument without even an example of your view's claims. I asked a simple question and people have made arguments out of nothing. I do not start arguments, I ask questions, which you can see from my survey post. "That is how you get your kicks." You are a hypocrite and do not understand when someone says you are annoying and irritative, and someone is not happy when they are irritated. So that would mean you either do not know what kicks means, or are indeed all too similar to the few others on this board. "To see if you can make anyone believe the bullbutter that you spew." But a question still remains a question. You might, if you had a brain, compare me to Kris and see I did not make any definite statement what I myself thought intelligence was, though I do agree with Kris to a good extent, seeing as how he isn't as unfit a person to cope with as BearingTwinGoat and asked what anyone thought was the most intelligent sign of their element alone. If you want to get friendly instead of saying you have indeed met Aries and they tend to be unreasonable and Taurus tend to be stubborn and Virgo tends to be earthy and that each of them are different with their own intelligence, and that because stubborness is not Virgo's logic it doesn't necessarily equal Virgo's intelligence and so because stubborness isn't favorable the logic can be preferable, or better. This is only an example, do with it whatever you want.

"It depends which personality you're talking about."

Oh, now that is classic!!!! Hahahahaha!

"That's the same thing I think about WaterBearingTwinGoat, but I don't say it like you do and I don't lay it down as solid fact."

That is because it is solid fact, and you have graciously provide the indisputable proof for it.

"If you think WaterBearingTwinGoat is intelligent that is probably because your manner of arguing with someone is very similar"

Yes, it is called LOGIC. It is the way most people in the universe argue...

If I was good at what I did and was still an idiot than you are saying an idiot can out talk someone who is right. That's not possible, because the idiot is an idiot. So I could be provided with so much = you disregard and trash and + your view = I have a lot of trash and am still and idiot. That is the logic of an idiot. You are very questionable because of how little you say and how much you claim.

"that's great. no one wants to listen to your crap."

You are the one getting frustrated and lose your patience and suddenly you claim everyone loses their patience. Is this your way of backing yourself up? You could have left a long time ago while you said nothing for the longest time, but instead you have nothing to do with your time and come back to still see if they're arguing when you don't even have anything to say.

"Isn't it, isn't it, isn't it?"

No, it isn't. You continue to attack me personally. You must think you're definitely someone.

"isn't that why you are going to post another evasive response even after i've explained to you that no one really cares? "
Let me set an example: 1. that is not going to keep me from responding and 2. it doesn't matter if you care or not the bulldozer is going to run over your house, it's going to run over your house.

"You are NOT the most intelligent sign, you are in fact the DUMBEST sign,"

That would be most intelligent moon sign, however you are certainly trashing others who agree with you who have their Gemini in Moon.

"which is why you try and make everyone see your point of view, (which is ridiculous by the way)"

Is the previous comment before that not an attempt to do so? Didn't you claim everyone agreed with you? It is going to take more than that.

"not everyone wants to be your best friend, buddy, simply because you are pretty damn ridiculous."

Not everyone is looking for friends and not everyone is looking for backup.

However I don't know where you got that, despite your actual use of spewing random trash. You told me I was an idiot still, and get all hyped up when I respond? What is your problem, why are you so defensive, and what do you have up your anus?

However since this has been an argument I guess you're stating -everyone- would not want to be my friend under the term of my agreement with -you- in this discussion, not based on my ability as a friend as a person at all.

"I am speaking for myself here."

Then please do start.

"go get your tanktop, tough guy. try mesh this time, i think it'll look good on you."

I remember you saying something about trash and useless and insults and "I don't care."

"there is no defense for idiocy. look at me, i make no excuses. i'm just an marker with poor judgement.
i'm just pointing out to the rest of the board that you are a FAKE."

"That is because it is solid fact, and you have graciously provide the indisputable proof for it."

Give it a rest for a second. You still insist on it being solid fact, graciously providing proof of being obscene and absurd.

"It is called LOGIC."

That is what an ignorant person would insist without example. I believe this other person is already saying all the same things you are and you need not get so petty. Also for intelligence and questionable character see other posts TwinGoat has made... Where indeed many people disagree with her.

"i called you out, and you are trying to defend yourself for being an idiot."

You can complain all day, attacking proves so much easier than defending. Which is why you accuse me of attacking people who agree with you then turn into a major hypocrite just like that. You called me out in need to stir the pot. Since you are also making jokes while you are at it, that shows that you are indeed getting kicks.

That is because excuses come from the least bit of reason. Poor judgement is what would make you a poor marker and why everyone should believe the opposite of what you say. "FAKE." I feel sorry for you.

"All the more fun."

I do not feel like an idiot, sorry to ruin your fun and your kicks but go look for argument elsewhere. Stop acting so desperate and also keep your words together in one post. All you have is your insults.

"look at how many people are consistently disagreeing with you."

Instead of hollering like a donkey throwing one insult and one message after the other I'm going to go tell you to check TwinGoat's other messages.

"You quoted in a sister thread."

Are we now pointing hands at who is scattered?

"you are convincing no one"

You don't know that for sure, but I feel sorry for anyone convinced by you. You just like to reassure yourself and get frustrated when tangled in your own words of playing it easy instead of safe. I could start a poll with who agrees without trying to force my opinion, insult them if they don't agree and trying to convince them?

""you are the DUMBEST sign"
and somehow start talking about moon signs?"

You truly do know how to make a fool of yourself. As I recall, I certainly did -not- say water was considered the most intelligent, and -not- say Cancer was the most intelligent of water, because I also remember clearly stating that I had my sun in Cancer. Which means I stick to what the geniuses have figured out already and do not make up my own little things about the elements and their intelligence.

"don't change the ing topic. if you have nothing to say about that, well then say that. "i have nothing to say about that"
i'm not getting into an in depth topic about this with you. you are creating bullbutter to start opposition."

You are changes topics, you are turning tables instead of using what you claim to be logic and insult me when you have nothing to say. Don't be hypocritical, because it indeed will get you into bullbutter.

"are you having a reading comprehension problem?"

No, but you are. I also stated clearly that you were blabbing 'everyone' agreed with you and 'everyone' disagreed with me and I was irritated 'everyone.' You are similar to a donkey in more ways than one, including your stubbornness. If I was wrong, I would say I was wrong. But now you have made the topic harder to leave because you can't drop it. This isn't about being better at discussion, though you have proved not to have any level of experience with that, concerning 'YOU ARE THE DUMBEST SIGN.' That wasn't what I had started the topic about. Not everyone starts topics looking specifically for self flattery or support.

Not only do you show no sign of knowing I am a Cancer, you insult my sign without knowing what it is. "YOU ARE THE DUMBEST SIGN." You claim the intelligences are the same and agree with those who oppose me in that objection and now you agree there is a DUMBEST sign?

"you aren't reading. you are the only person that you are outtalking."

Think about that.

I have not strongly objected to your saying I was dumb as if strongly over defensive, have I? Have I not given an explanation as to why I got to my conclusion? (Not to mention the conclusion doesn't forget in Astrology judgeing intelligence from the facts Astrology was built upon, like Air = INTELLIGENT.) Yet again you fail to measure. I have also not blabbed about how smart I am, as I already said, not everyone creates topics for self support.

Judging* My mistake.

what happened to this thread? i stopped reading around page 5 or something...

haffo: "The only duality signs of zodiac are Scorpio and Pisces. Scorpio is combination of Aries and Pluto, while Pisces is combination of Saggitarius and Neptune. Mind you, those two sign are not "similar" to their co-rulers, they are partially SAME to it."

the only signs of dual nature are the mutable signs as stated by john alenxander in his book 'the astrological manager,' among others. its more obvious in gemini (twins), sag (half-man, half-horse) and pisces (two fishes swimming in opp directions.) virgo is more subtle (has to do with the greek myth of demeter, persephone and hades) and the virgin/whore complex (virgin mary). i've never read of scorpio as being a dual sign, but rather a sign of transformation where the old dies and becomes something (singular)entirely new, but always fixed. while they are sometimes referred to as the chameleons of the zodiac, they do not adapt like the mutable signs, they morph into something different. correct me if i'm wrong, but this is what i gathered from my research and musings. i'm always happy to learn something new 🙂 .

and this thread had such potential to be great too...

and the only signs concerned with knowledge are gemini, virgo and sagitarrius. this is not to say that these signs are most intelligent. i don't think you can assign intelligence to any ONE sign, but rather a combination of placements, aspects and which planets fall into which houses. a complicated mess to determine intelligence if you ask me, lol.

WBTG, i still don't see the resemblance to aries in cap. i agree with haffo that cap is an ambitious sign, and aries is more of a pioneering sign, they don't see much through as they are more concerned with exploring (not conquering) new territories. no offense to any aries out there, i have an aries moon (and my attention span can be really short sometimes).

Sagitauries,

Right on the mark about the emotion/intelligence aspects of the elements. I am mainly air and earth withe a fire (sag) and water (scorp) in the mix. So basically, I got lucky in combining mainly air and earth so my abstract intelligence can actually be put to practical use lol.

See last message of other board.