@LostPisces
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It's possible that animal "minds" are no simpler or complex than our own. Yes we have the ability of self realization and the ability to contemplate the vastness of our own universe, but maybe that's because we need to do so. Maybe that's simply our job.
Everything has a specific job, every plant, animal, micro-organism, etc. For example bees literally keep our ecosystem running. So it would make sense that bees don't contemplate the vastness of the cosmos because it's not their job to do so. They are two busy keeping the rest of life alive.
Also contemplate that each human mind is potentially a miniature Big Bang. When a baby is born, it's brain does not have capabilities beyond any other animal. However as it matures the "universe" in that child's mind explodes and expands infinitely. It's possible that we humans have harnessed the catalyst for our own neurological Big Bangs, while other animals have not. That does not make them any less part of the universe than we are, it just means they are at a difference phase.
It's possible that self realization, or The Big Bang, isn't the most important part either. Maybe we're behind. It's theorized that after a Big Bang, there may be a Big Crunch in which the universe infinitely contracts upon itself until the next Big Bang. Maybe that's where animal minds are and we've yet to reach that point. We understandably believe we are more evolved due to our minds, but as a species we are far less efficient in other ways. Even with our vast intellect, we still haven't figured out how to coexist with every other organism on our own planet, including ourselves.
We are more "complex" only because the number of neurons, wich is greater then other animals, and its growing, when within other animals is stalled.
Its a good idea about being our job in the life cycle, never tought that way, we take a job that we forget what other animals are capable of.
I dont say we are superior, with the part about animal instinct we almost dont have it, we cant sense other organisms as other animals, for instance radiation and such, we have to use tools all the way.
I am trying to say our brain is a mirror of the universe and for who doesnt believe astrology here are the proves.
The big bang crunch also makes sense, for me we are loosing energy, we had dinossaurs, and then other big animals and plants get smaller
And is proven, also with asteroid we loose alot of energy in an instance, goes to space.
So we are loosing energy that goes to space and joins and joins until explode again.
So we get smarter when the universe and earth is losing it, maybe our really our job to find solutions to live beyond that (other big bang)
Its proven with science that we are loosing to space, just search about it. Asteroids just acellerate it, you loose a bunch in an instance, if not all.
Water is a more "closed" enviorment, seems natural to me to have yet bigger animals.
I see no danger in understanding the universe with sience as backup. The danger for instance is, even being loosed by it self, humans accelerate it with pollution, and a lot of people deny it because one thing we invented, money.
And also because plants and trees produce oxigen, their job in life cycle, and we destroy that once more, because of money.
Did you know oxigen to exist has to be originated by a source, its very reactive has to be created by a strong source always.
So humans cut resources for life + planet is loosing overtime.
I want to join this discussion so bad....
Its the type of thread I really enjoy
but im at work 😢
You have time, join when you can, doesn't need to be immediate as this society imposes 😉
I have notifications and will come here at any response (also when i can 🙂 )
We evolved in such a way, that we looked up, we got on two feet, we cant look down on earth and to understand the connections like other animals, that´s why other animals are more genuine.
We are here to follow the universe orders, we dream and we are capable to materialize our dreams, but at what cost?
Posted by Chuckcem
It's possible that animal "minds" are no simpler or complex than our own. Yes we have the ability of self realization and the ability to contemplate the vastness of our own universe, but maybe that's because we need to do so. Maybe that's simply our job.Everything has a specific job, every plant, animal, micro-organism, etc. For example bees literally keep our ecosystem running. So it would make sense that bees don't contemplate the vastness of the cosmos because it's not their job to do so. They are two busy keeping the rest of life alive.
Also contemplate that each human mind is potentially a miniature Big Bang. When a baby is born, it's brain does not have capabilities beyond any other animal. However as it matures the "universe" in that child's mind explodes and expands infinitely. It's possible that we humans have harnessed the catalyst for our own neurological Big Bangs, while other animals have not. That does not make them any less part of the universe than we are, it just means they are at a difference phase.
It's possible that self realization, or The Big Bang, isn't the most important part either. Maybe we're behind. It's theorized that after a Big Bang, there may be a Big Crunch in which the universe infinitely contracts upon itself until the next Big Bang. Maybe that's where animal minds are and we've yet to reach that point. We understandably believe we are more evolved due to our minds, but as a species we are far less efficient in other ways. Even with our vast intellect, we still haven't figured out how to coexist with every other organism on our own planet, including ourselves.
Animals aren't able to comprehend other beings superficially - they are primal and act instinctively. I love how you said humans are way less efficient than animals and it's true to an extent! Why can't humans coexist if we have all this vast knowledge at our fingertips? Why is it so difficult for people to utilize their instincts, their innate gut feelings? Logic can clog that access.
You don't know we looked up and that expanded our minds...or cooked food and that expanded our minds....
It's just a matter of time on the planet. We grow through hot and cold migration....cats are lions in the cold. You get smaller and more complex in the cold. In the heat you get larger, and maybe more spiritual, you dream more (like Neptune, l've seen a lot of similarities between Sun and Neptune, Leo and Pisces..)
Elephants, giraffes, rhinos, big reptiles...all live in the heat. When they move to the cold, they get smaller and more complex....
Bears are in between 4 legged and two legged, they're like in-between lions and monkeys.
Monkey into man may have happened through hallucinogenic mushrooms, this is an actual theory that makes sense. They explored their inner world and evolved...
Also, man evolved thanks to all these regions meeting, in the middle east. Big beasts of Africa, small more intelligent beasts of Europe, and Caucase, Russia, and other large beasts in India. Over millions of years, creatures interacting, fighting, growing in complexity, in small increments....
Yes, but also trees were bigger, even with cold/heat, we are simply loosing energy , at the time of Dinosaurs energy was more abundant (also we lost a lot with that asteroid theory, since since also says an asteroid sends a lot of planet energy to space)
Mushrooms can make sense, but I believe more in Fire doing that.
It is proven scientifically that we cook and we have more nutrients and specially time for other things, other animals always think of food getting all day.
Trees were bigger because it was hotter before. Dinosaurs, huge, and reptiles thrive only in the heat.
Actually agriculture boosted civilisation...
I think we are talking about same thing, but so many steps of development.
More heat = more energy at the time 🙂
Energy in this case equal to components on earth and all life on earth: Carbon, Oxygen, Hydrogen, etc
Yes they communicate but is by instinct. We humans subverted the usual system and we usually cannot use their system.
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I get it now, our powerful brain is made as a resemblance of the universe. Universe is imense and is expanding, and so is our mind.
But why not other animals (their brain is made of the universe too)? I explain, they feel the universe but they dont look up and analyse the sky, since we started to contemplate whats above that we follow the expansion of the universe along with the energy we feel as other animals.
But animals feel it by instinct and us not so much, since we think in the middle wich confuses all up, thefore the horoscope houses system apply more to us then other animals.
And how we separated from other animals? Started with fire, then cooked meal with alot of diffrent nutrients and quantity comparing to what other animals eat, and more time to contemplate the skies.
Last to contemplate is water, our origin, always there, but only later we dig into it.
So fire, earth (food), air(sky and above), water.
All marches with the universe.
Astrology is the way we explain the universe, wich astronomy is not enough.