am i

the backstabbing traitor here?

my cancer-leo cusper colleague reported a taurus superior because of 'violation of the safe space' and between them, I'm friendlier with the cancer obvi since she's been sharing her beef with a pisces and apparently beef with most of the entire office but ultimately when questioning happened about any 'abuse of power,' like everyone else i refuse to vote for firing the taurus because it's true that the taurus did say a lot of unprofessional things about her co-superiors and she did make a lot of HR-inappropriate comments (like loudly asking why someone would hang out with someone of lower status) and micromanaging the cancer apparently.

it's a personality quirk imo but maybe I'm biased because she intentionally overlooked my attendance when my son's pneumonia came back but there's also the fact that I've learned from everyone at work that the cusper made herself out to be the 'perfect victim' for me to side with her. she apparently got 'physical' with the pisces girl she had beef with like intentionally bumping into her when they pass by the same hallway yet she never tells me these things, always telling me the other party was the aggressor and that she felt alone and ganged up on but when everyone found out that she reported the taurus, I let it slip that she reported other folks too because the cusper refuses to have a conversation with anyone to resolve anything (mainly with the pisces) because we need to adjust to her (cusper) feelings all the time and maybe it's because my child has the same energy but I told people to walk on eggshells around her, to cater to her feelings because she's so oversensitive yet now she acts like I betrayed her when we're now all having this official company investigation and I just want to be fair and not get anyone FIRED.

i'm not even like super besties with the taurus like she hugged me that one time when she found out I won some recital and we have a professional dynamic but I'm like in a deeper friendship with the cancer but when everyone told her that they found out that not only did she report the taurus but everyone else she felt wronged her, she denied it in front of everyone when those were her EXACT words to me because i wanted everyone to finally talk things out but all she did was walk out in person and in the GC like everyone spilling their guts against her coz they feel she's creating trouble to get someone kicked out. not too long ago she reported a dude also for 'creepily following her in the yoga room and searching her up on FB without her giving out her full name' which I'm only pointing out not to invalidate her feelings but to explain why everyone feels she's trying to get the taurus fired coz of her history of reporting certain people like I'm tired boss 😫😫

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Here is a lesson ive learned the past year, maybe it helps here:

Sometimes, when everyone has a beef with a single person, and you feel sorry for that person and want to try to stay neutral and give them the benefit of the doubt, youre missing important information that the others have.

If she has beef with everyone, chances are shes the problem.

I actually feel so bad coz I feel like she betrayed me, not the other way around because I always kept her company when I thought she was being isolated by bullies (most everyone at work) coz I've always thought she had such positive energy coz she has energies similar to my son and she always had a smile on her face.

Then I find out she's just the type of person who acts like you don't offend her each time but secretly keeps a tally of your sins like she never forgives nor forgets the smallest offenses like so what if the taurus was elitist? She was professional and kind 90 percent of the time just let it go. The taurus could have so easily found a way to get her fired but HELD BACK.

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Here is a lesson ive learned the past year, maybe it helps here:

Sometimes, when everyone has a beef with a single person, and you feel sorry for that person and want to try to stay neutral and give them the benefit of the doubt, youre missing important information that the others have.

If she has beef with everyone, chances are shes the problem.

I actually feel so bad coz I feel like she betrayed me, not the other way around because I always kept her company when I thought she was being isolated by bullies (most everyone at work) coz I've always thought she had such positive energy coz she has energies similar to my son and she always had a smile on her face.

Then I find out she's just the type of person who acts like you don't offend her each time but secretly keeps a tally of your sins like she never forgives nor forgets the smallest offenses like so what if the taurus was elitist? She was professional and kind 90 percent of the time just let it go. The taurus could have so easily found a way to get her fired but HELD BACK.click to expand

I get feeling that way, but reality is thats just her, thats what likely got her treated by everyone but you, as it seems, badly, which brought out your empathy. Thats what im saying, sometimes popular opinion is the correct opinion and they just kniw somethingyou dont, or have more experience with that person. As much as we all want to not judge and make our own opinions on people, sometimes the lessons can be verbal and dont have to be hands on.

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the cap/cancer axis has been rough with me like they always have some plot twist up their sleeves. tbh I don't doubt that she feels the way she does and that she's oversensitive coz isn't it hard to fake tears?

I'm actually a sucker for unpopular opinions and dark horses but now I have to admit I might not always be the best judge of character, must be coz I'm a virgo 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ And when it comes to that, at least 3 pisceans told me I'm stupid asf about people which now I kinda accept coz apparently I'm always picking the wrong side of history. Ah well, not everyone can have the king solomon wisdom of pisces when it comes to vetting people.

Sounds like you were a pawn caught in a power struggle. That's why I don't take sides at work anymore. Let them fight their own battles.

It seems like sooner or later you were going to be next on her list,

Good riddance!

Posted by FuelAirPropellant
Sounds like you were a pawn caught in a power struggle. That's why I don't take sides at work anymore. Let them fight their own battles.

that's such an air sign answer lol but I got caught in this net which is why I prefer aquas as besties coz these crap never happens with aquas, we just watch some superhero movie and chill and talk about how we only like hanging out with each other coz everyone else too much 😷😷

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Here is a lesson ive learned the past year, maybe it helps here:

Sometimes, when everyone has a beef with a single person, and you feel sorry for that person and want to try to stay neutral and give them the benefit of the doubt, youre missing important information that the others have.

If she has beef with everyone, chances are shes the problem.

I actually feel so bad coz I feel like she betrayed me, not the other way around because I always kept her company when I thought she was being isolated by bullies (most everyone at work) coz I've always thought she had such positive energy coz she has energies similar to my son and she always had a smile on her face.

Then I find out she's just the type of person who acts like you don't offend her each time but secretly keeps a tally of your sins like she never forgives nor forgets the smallest offenses like so what if the taurus was elitist? She was professional and kind 90 percent of the time just let it go. The taurus could have so easily found a way to get her fired but HELD BACK.click to expand

I get feeling that way, but reality is thats just her, thats what likely got her treated by everyone but you, as it seems, badly, which brought out your empathy. Thats what im saying, sometimes popular opinion is the correct opinion and they just kniw somethingyou dont, or have more experience with that person. As much as we all want to not judge and make our own opinions on people, sometimes the lessons can be verbal and dont have to be hands on. click to expand

the cap/cancer axis has been rough with me like they always have some plot twist up their sleeves. tbh I don't doubt that she feels the way she does and that she's oversensitive coz isn't it hard to fake tears?

I'm actually a sucker for unpopular opinions and dark horses but now I have to admit I might not always be the best judge of character, must be coz I'm a virgo 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ And when it comes to that, at least 3 pisceans told me I'm stupid asf about people which now I kinda accept coz apparently I'm always picking the wrong side of history. Ah well, not everyone can have the king solomon wisdom of pisces when it comes to vetting people.click to expand

Where is your Venus and Mars? Youre pisces moon, correct? Maybe your blindspot has something to do with your own placements?

No, its not a bad thing that you have empathy towards people you see as getting bullied, thats a great trait. Sometimes theres just more to the story you need to uncover, especially when everyone has an opinion and they all say something similar. Thats a lecture lesson, not a hands on lesson, prepare to take notes during the class.

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yeah but that don't matter coz i'm a triple virgo and look at timothy like you know that dude a capricorn no matter the other stuff in his chart like every girl expecting some Edgar Allan Poe stuff but irl he out there serving some urban financebro energy instead like i'm not being a hater, just saying coz I think it's offensive that people acting like he's the level up for Kylie when she's actually the sweetest, best child AND parent of their clan so I can't pretend that I'm not somehow serving some accountant energy.

Im married to a triple pisces with a Scorpio moon but that don't make him a scorpio which is for the best coz one of us needs some wisdom to survive.

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Posted by Flitzpiepe

Here is a lesson ive learned the past year, maybe it helps here:

Sometimes, when everyone has a beef with a single person, and you feel sorry for that person and want to try to stay neutral and give them the benefit of the doubt, youre missing important information that the others have.

If she has beef with everyone, chances are shes the problem.

I actually feel so bad coz I feel like she betrayed me, not the other way around because I always kept her company when I thought she was being isolated by bullies (most everyone at work) coz I've always thought she had such positive energy coz she has energies similar to my son and she always had a smile on her face.

Then I find out she's just the type of person who acts like you don't offend her each time but secretly keeps a tally of your sins like she never forgives nor forgets the smallest offenses like so what if the taurus was elitist? She was professional and kind 90 percent of the time just let it go. The taurus could have so easily found a way to get her fired but HELD BACK.click to expand

I get feeling that way, but reality is thats just her, thats what likely got her treated by everyone but you, as it seems, badly, which brought out your empathy. Thats what im saying, sometimes popular opinion is the correct opinion and they just kniw somethingyou dont, or have more experience with that person. As much as we all want to not judge and make our own opinions on people, sometimes the lessons can be verbal and dont have to be hands on. click to expand

the cap/cancer axis has been rough with me like they always have some plot twist up their sleeves. tbh I don't doubt that she feels the way she does and that she's oversensitive coz isn't it hard to fake tears?

I'm actually a sucker for unpopular opinions and dark horses but now I have to admit I might not always be the best judge of character, must be coz I'm a virgo 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ And when it comes to that, at least 3 pisceans told me I'm stupid asf about people which now I kinda accept coz apparently I'm always picking the wrong side of history. Ah well, not everyone can have the king solomon wisdom of pisces when it comes to vetting people.

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Where is your Venus and Mars? Youre pisces moon, correct? Maybe your blindspot has something to do with your own placements?

No, its not a bad thing that you have empathy towards people you see as getting bullied, thats a great trait. Sometimes theres just more to the story you need to uncover, especially when everyone has an opinion and they all say something similar. Thats a lecture lesson, not a hands on lesson, prepare to take notes during the class.

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but I think this really boils down to her not getting the mental help that she needs because she said she was abused in her preadolescence by her bio dad so I'm thinking that's partly why she's so defensive and oversensitive all the time over every little thing but some people tell me she might be BS-ing coz the yoga room guy didn't even touch her just prob had a crush on her whatnot like i don't even know anymore. and that's another thing, she burst into tears and told everyone that fact and slammed the door on us coz she felt victimized by her situation with the pisces girl like she had beef with everyone and wants to guilt trip all of us.

'Isn't it hard to fake tears?'

No, not for some psychos 😄

I knew a girl in school when we were 11 who would cry and fake asthma attacks during breaks to get me away from my bff. Eventually she asked me to be my bff. I said no, but sure she could hang out with us.

So she went behind my back, told my bff lies that I said bad things about her, so my bff, who I loved so much, didn't talk to me again and became her bff instead 😂

Some psychos would lie or do anything to look innocent or gain something. In work place, relationships.. They totally exist 😄 People can totally lie to your face or lie for a whole year too just because they enjoy manipulating people and having power, or thinking they do.

I know because I dated a few narcisistic psychos too 😂 Emotional manipulation, twisting reality, creating drama are their hobbies 🤣

Posted by Polyannanana
'Isn't it hard to fake tears?'

No, not for some psychos 😄

I knew a girl in school when we were 11 who would cry and fake asthma attacks during breaks to get me away from my bff. Eventually she asked me to be my bff. I said no, but sure she could hang out with us.

So she went behind my back, told my bff lies that I said bad things about her, so my bff, who I loved so much, didn't talk to me again and became her bff instead 😂

Some psychos would lie or do anything to look innocent or gain something. In work place, relationships.. They totally exist 😄 People can totally lie to your face or lie for a whole year too just because they enjoy manipulating people and having power, or thinking they do.

I know because I dated a few narcisistic psychos too 😂 Emotional manipulation, twisting reality, creating drama are their hobbies 🤣

people really need hobbies but in her case from what I know she likes going to the gym and she seems very extroverted, really friendly it looks like such positive energy so you'd think she'd be a well-adjusted person coz exercise + social life but she really can't regulate her emotions and it's like every little thing you tell her gets deconstructed into something hurtful to her/against her personally which is shocking coz I've always thought that extroversion meant people took things in stride but apparently, she's just putting on a happy face.

coz I swear there are bums with addiction issues that regulate their emotions so much better. I feel like that's a struggle with cancer energy coz I've got a brother with a prominent cancer energy and has the same issue.

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'Isn't it hard to fake tears?'

No, not for some psychos 😄

I knew a girl in school when we were 11 who would cry and fake asthma attacks during breaks to get me away from my bff. Eventually she asked me to be my bff. I said no, but sure she could hang out with us.

So she went behind my back, told my bff lies that I said bad things about her, so my bff, who I loved so much, didn't talk to me again and became her bff instead 😂

Some psychos would lie or do anything to look innocent or gain something. In work place, relationships.. They totally exist 😄 People can totally lie to your face or lie for a whole year too just because they enjoy manipulating people and having power, or thinking they do.

I know because I dated a few narcisistic psychos too 😂 Emotional manipulation, twisting reality, creating drama are their hobbies 🤣

people really need hobbies but in her case from what I know she likes going to the gym and she seems very extroverted, really friendly it looks like such positive energy so you'd think she'd be a well-adjusted person coz exercise + social life but she really can't regulate her emotions and it's like every little thing you tell her gets deconstructed into something hurtful to her/against her personally which is shocking coz I've always thought that extroversion meant people took things in stride but apparently, she's just putting on a happy face.

coz I swear there are bums with addiction issues that regulate their emotions so much better. I feel like that's a struggle with cancer energy coz I've got a brother with a prominent cancer energy and has the same issue.

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Lol yes I know moon in cancers who are very sulky 😂

It could be just that her brain isn't producing enough happy chemicals so she keeps focusing on the bad.

But either way it's not your responsibility. My sister is really good with distancing herself from such people and work place drama but even she had to get xanax for a few times while she was working with a dramatic woman 😂

She prefered male coworkers and bosses because they were more chill 🤣

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'Isn't it hard to fake tears?'

No, not for some psychos 😄

I knew a girl in school when we were 11 who would cry and fake asthma attacks during breaks to get me away from my bff. Eventually she asked me to be my bff. I said no, but sure she could hang out with us.

So she went behind my back, told my bff lies that I said bad things about her, so my bff, who I loved so much, didn't talk to me again and became her bff instead 😂

Some psychos would lie or do anything to look innocent or gain something. In work place, relationships.. They totally exist 😄 People can totally lie to your face or lie for a whole year too just because they enjoy manipulating people and having power, or thinking they do.

I know because I dated a few narcisistic psychos too 😂 Emotional manipulation, twisting reality, creating drama are their hobbies 🤣

people really need hobbies but in her case from what I know she likes going to the gym and she seems very extroverted, really friendly it looks like such positive energy so you'd think she'd be a well-adjusted person coz exercise + social life but she really can't regulate her emotions and it's like every little thing you tell her gets deconstructed into something hurtful to her/against her personally which is shocking coz I've always thought that extroversion meant people took things in stride but apparently, she's just putting on a happy face.

coz I swear there are bums with addiction issues that regulate their emotions so much better. I feel like that's a struggle with cancer energy coz I've got a brother with a prominent cancer energy and has the same issue.

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Lol yes I know moon in cancers who are very sulky 😂

It could be just that her brain isn't producing enough happy chemicals so she keeps focusing on the bad.

But either way it's not your responsibility. My sister is really good with distancing herself from such people and work place drama but even she had to get xanax for a few times while she was working with a dramatic woman 😂

She prefered male coworkers and bosses because they were more chill 🤣

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just kinda hurts that it seems like the last time she spoke to me was on my birthday and her message was "happy bday and thank you for always being so nice to me" and now here we are.

whatever I'll just go watch a movie with my mom.

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Here is a lesson ive learned the past year, maybe it helps here:

Sometimes, when everyone has a beef with a single person, and you feel sorry for that person and want to try to stay neutral and give them the benefit of the doubt, youre missing important information that the others have.

If she has beef with everyone, chances are shes the problem.

I actually feel so bad coz I feel like she betrayed me, not the other way around because I always kept her company when I thought she was being isolated by bullies (most everyone at work) coz I've always thought she had such positive energy coz she has energies similar to my son and she always had a smile on her face.

Then I find out she's just the type of person who acts like you don't offend her each time but secretly keeps a tally of your sins like she never forgives nor forgets the smallest offenses like so what if the taurus was elitist? She was professional and kind 90 percent of the time just let it go. The taurus could have so easily found a way to get her fired but HELD BACK.click to expand

I get feeling that way, but reality is thats just her, thats what likely got her treated by everyone but you, as it seems, badly, which brought out your empathy. Thats what im saying, sometimes popular opinion is the correct opinion and they just kniw somethingyou dont, or have more experience with that person. As much as we all want to not judge and make our own opinions on people, sometimes the lessons can be verbal and dont have to be hands on. click to expand

the cap/cancer axis has been rough with me like they always have some plot twist up their sleeves. tbh I don't doubt that she feels the way she does and that she's oversensitive coz isn't it hard to fake tears?

I'm actually a sucker for unpopular opinions and dark horses but now I have to admit I might not always be the best judge of character, must be coz I'm a virgo 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️ And when it comes to that, at least 3 pisceans told me I'm stupid asf about people which now I kinda accept coz apparently I'm always picking the wrong side of history. Ah well, not everyone can have the king solomon wisdom of pisces when it comes to vetting people.

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Where is your Venus and Mars? Youre pisces moon, correct? Maybe your blindspot has something to do with your own placements?

No, its not a bad thing that you have empathy towards people you see as getting bullied, thats a great trait. Sometimes theres just more to the story you need to uncover, especially when everyone has an opinion and they all say something similar. Thats a lecture lesson, not a hands on lesson, prepare to take notes during the class.click to expand

but I think this really boils down to her not getting the mental help that she needs because she said she was abused in her preadolescence by her bio dad so I'm thinking that's partly why she's so defensive and oversensitive all the time over every little thing but some people tell me she might be BS-ing coz the yoga room guy didn't even touch her just prob had a crush on her whatnot like i don't even know anymore. and that's another thing, she burst into tears and told everyone that fact and slammed the door on us coz she felt victimized by her situation with the pisces girl like she had beef with everyone and wants to guilt trip all of us.click to expand

Eh, we most people have been through some level of trauma, we all learn methods of coping. Heck, people who see very little trauma in their lives are usually pretty naive to seeing these coping mechs in otheres. Shit, id even surmise a lot of the modern social zeitgeist revolves around coping with trauma inflicted by the previous generation of parents. That within itself is a coping mechanism if you zoom out to a cultural level. She may very well be a vulnerable narcissists, idk.

Imo the only thing I would concern myself with is now shes thrown her cards on the table, you see more of who she is. Thats all you need to know. If she knows she struggles with certain things, she knows she can get help, unless its more BS to play victim, get sympathy, and fly under a cloak of protection by people who see her as the victim and keep doing more BS. You can go to any prison, and almost every person there will tell you theyre innocent.. and without enough discernment or too much naivety on your part, you may believe them. And some people are in prison who are actually innocent. Its the discernment factor that divides letting all inmates go over a good sob story, and letting none of them go because youve shut your empathy off completely. Dont make excuses for them. Just be kind, and dont let her take you as an emotional hostage.

Something ive noticed with people who always look for the best in people, and maybe this fits you, maybe it doesn't, is they see the good in a person, if the person can be seen as a victim in some way, they'll invest emotional and physical energy, sometimes money and resources, into helping them almost like a project. They invest. But why do people invest? There's an outcome theyre after. They want to be right about the good they see in that person. They want to feel good about themselves for helping a person they view as suffering, but they've committed in their mind that this person is a good person, theyre just in a bad spot. Theyre a victim in some way. This is the lesson ive been learning myself, this year. But what usually happens, not just for me, but across the board (this is why i lost interest in emergency services and left) is youll invest, youll see progress, youll give attention, youll pull some weight for them, youll do all the things that if roles were reversed youd have grabbed the rope and been out of the pit by now.. but that doesn't happen. What usually happens is they just want more and more.form you until youre used up, and they never quite seem progress past a certain point. Youll ge the one they run to because youll buy their bullshit, youre invested, theres still the possibility of the outcome you imagined, and you still see the good in them. But really all youre doing is enabling the very behaviors that got them to that point. And seems like 9/10 times they'll turn on you in an instant if you don't keep feeding their victim mentality. Youll become a bully in theri story to the next sucker. Its ofcourse great to help people, but it all goes back to discernment. You know you care, you know you invest, you know how you "help", do the discovery process, listen to the character witnesses, ask the jury, do your due diligence before you allow yourself to have someone suck your energy.

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that's what my Pisces told me when we watched this one insurance ad, he was kinda annoyed and told me it was manipulative and people would only depend on you for everything and won't learn to be independent and it's kind of hard because even culturally how we grew up we weren't encouraged to be independent and I understand you're prob the opposite culturally and so it's easier for you to accept the idea of letting your kids grow up or for you to let go (i am in awe) but we're so possessive of our children here.

There is no way to really know anyone at work. Assume anything you say might be used against you in the future because one day, it just might.