Leo children

I have a daughter born 11/8/92 17yrs. She lies, steals & lies some more...Is this a normal trait for Leo children? Especially the lying!

Other than that she has a big heart and is caring. Definetly has alot of the nicer traits of the Leo. She has never uttered a cruel or mean word even if we have fought and was supportive when my marriage fell apart...

How do I make her understand that the way she is really cuts like a knife and has caused so much damage that it's getting to be irreversible? Everyone has given up on her in the family, her dad never really had a bond with her and her sisters arent bothering but we had a good relationship and lately I've just wanted to throw my hands up because she has stolen off me again and lied. She doesnt live with me, and is living with her bf and his mother...

She has worn me down so much because I dont believe anything she says and it hurts and I keep thinking that it's just a faze she is going through and will come out of it as she matures. Some of it is the people she hangs out with, she has been bought up in a priviledge background compared to her friends. But I have never made us out to be better, her friends stayed alot at my home... in fact I think they pull her down in spite of it and this is where I think that she does some of the things she does to prove herself. We use to be close and now there is sooo much distance between us mainly because of her actions.

I'm at a lose as to how to handle this situation, I've told her she has to call me if she is coming home so that I can be there. I've told her how hurt I am by her actions but it all falls on deaf ears and she completely denys taking anything and I am 99% sure it was her!

Do I need to be really firm and cut her off or just keep being there for her til she comes around?

Don't know if lying comes natural for Leos but I've always tried to avoid confrontations with my parents (who are very liberal btw), so either I never told them what's up if anything was up, or I simply avoided telling them the whole truth. I've always been like that. I just don't like it when others know too much about what is up all the time. Makes me feel stressed. I like doing things my own way and in my own time. I think I just got off topic :/

Umm November/11 is scorpio.

Yeah it is read that way in Australia, 11th August 1992.

Have lost control once with her and dealt to her and hated myself for it and said I wouldn't ever again. She's too old for that anywho.

And wasnt sure if it was a Leo trait or a teenage thing. Kids never really like to disappoint their parents but she blantantly lies...but who would admit to stealing form your own parent— I remember stealing from my mothers piggy bank, she caught me red handed and I never did it again, she was soooo hurt but we never had much growing up and I wonder if she thinks oh well you can afford it and wont miss it but really that is beside the point.

Kids they think we owe them or it's there birth right!!!!

@ enfant, your comments are always insightful.

Gonna be a long one so Im gonna post in two parts...

Yeah, Im not sure its a Leo thing either. I would NEVER steal from anyone. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I took something from a friend or family member. Most Leo's that I know are very honest, even bluntly so, however I believe that probably comes with age and maturity. That being said, I am going to share something very personal with you because I believe that it is never too late and I hope that maybe it will help you. And yes, its very personal, but I am gonna chose to put it on open forum because if it can help just one family then its worth it.

My 18 year old step son was a Leo and we experienced some of what you are going through with him. However, his behavior was influenced by drug use. He very quickly became involved with a less than desirable crowd and began using. It was a very quick and violent downward spiral that unfortunately led to us losing him six months after he turned 18. On his 18th Bday he moved out from his mother's house and into an apartment with his friends. When he left home he was pretty much a normal teenager. We had never had many problems with him other than the occasional typical teenage issues. He was into regular teenage partying, etc and we knew that he was known to drink but honestly, who didnt experiment at that age, right? I will say that he was a bit of a fibber from time to time and would lie about things but they were usually minor things and he got caught often enough. I never knew him to steal though until he became involved with drugs and was out on his own trying to make his way.

Now, he too had a very privileged life just as you indicated. His mother and step dad lived in a very upscale neighborhood in a beautiful home and so did my husband and I. We were both known to allow him to have friends over and were very cool parents (both sets of parents... we had a great relationship with one another even went on vacations together). Our homes were set up for partying and entertaining because we were all very social so he and his friends always had access to their own personal entertainment zones.... a complete game room style set up. We did start to notice that things began to come up missing and suspected him or his friends of stealing, of course when confronted he would deny it, but we knew something was up. We too believe that he was trying to impress his friends, etc.

My ex-husband was well known in our community and many of our friends were Police Officers.... we even were very close to the head of the drug enforcement task unit in our town, so we were able to find out that he had become involved in drug trafficking. We confronted him and had an intervention of sorts. He actually began to separate himself from the life style . Unfortunately, once we began to loosen the grip, he fell right back into it without our knowledge and we lost him less than a month later.

So, with that being said??_. Yes, she may buck you with every bone and muscle in her body, but I urge you not to give up on her. I don't know if she is involved with anything or anyone that has influenced her behavior but she obviously needs your guidance. Don't let her lose her way. You said you lost control once and hated yourself for it, but you will hate yourself more if you don't take control when you can. She's not too old to be dealt with by her mother in a stern way. I'm 38 years old and can still be dealt with by my mom!

I hope this helps you, I know it is a bit of an extreme story and may be nowhere near as bad as our situation was, but hopefully it can shed some light on how important it may be to regain control and not allow her to wear you down until you have nothing left to give. I know how frustrating and upsetting it can be. Good Luck!

Posted by sweethearts

@ enfant, your comments are always insightful.

Haha not really, I realized I was just talking about myself being the Leo that I am. But she's 17, she's not a kid anymore. There isn't much else you can do but be there for her. She'll eventually come to her senses. If her worst crime is lying and stealing think of all the parents who need to deal with drug addicts and such. Now those are the real "lost cases". Obviousely you shouldn't stand by without reacting, but cutting her off would make you just another person in her life who cut her off. Once the storm is over (she's only 17 after all) I'm sure she'll stop all this nonsense. I'm not sure what kind of friends she mingles with, either way it seems to be just one of those attention things.. Unless her friends are drug addicts or something, then you really need to step in one way or the other.

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Posted by sweat.lioness
Umm November/11 is scorpio.

nah, in the UK and Australia, it's read out that way.

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you mean everywhere but the US

Thanks Guys and particularly LL for sharing your story...I believe that on occasion she smokes majuana but dont think she does anything further. She started to drink or wanting to when she was younger and I felt guilty because that is my thing and what I have always done around the home...but she doesnt really like it much so she very rarely bothers.

I think it is to impress, a few years back she was caught on camera with a friend stealing from a shop in a small town where my ex and I had a holiday bach...he dealt with it as we had moved on to Australia, so she never really learnt the lesson and had to own up to it and has stolen again but not been caught. I've warned her sooo many times that now at this age she will go to juevenile detention and I wont be bailing her out...I hope it hasnt fallen on deaf ears but she is always coming over with new items of clothing and yep, her bf's mother has bought it for her!!! She has just started a job part time so hopefully this is the change in her.

I will sit her down and go through it all once again of how I feel and also tell her that she isnt to be at my home unless I am around, taking away that priviledge and taking my key back! Apart from once again re-hashing the fact that what she is doing is very diappointing to me there doesnt seem to be much else. Everytime I do tell her she is up with the same answer, I didnt take it...I'm accusing her and I dont have proof so it doesnt register!!

i was kinda bad like that as a teenager. i didn't do it to anyone i respected though. my household was absuive and chaotic so i acted out upon them for hurting me so much for so long. i lost all respect and became angsty and vengeful. i justified it in my head that i could take what i wanted from them because they robbed me of my dignity. i flipped a 180 when i was 19 when i moved out of that environment.

i'm sorry for your loss LeoLady 😢

Posted by tamara
i'm sorry for your loss LeoLady 😢

Aw, thanks Tamara. —

August leo's tend to be like that, my brother is an August 8 leo and OMG satan and I am not exaggerating, but my mom is a July leo and she never did stuff like that, always happy, always helping, huge big heart.