My petpeeve about Leos

I love Leos. They're stubborn like us. They hate admitting their wrong like us (Aquarians) & they have very fixed opinions like us.

BUT

I just have 1 big pet peeve that I notice alot of Leos keep doing to set me off.
I understand the whole "pride/ego" thing but at the same time, there is a fine line between being grown with pride & almost acting like a child & to cover it up, just say that it's pride/ego.

1. Every time I play a game of cards with my Leo, he's a team player in the beginning. But once he sees that he's losing towards the middle of the game, he'll internally give up, have that defeated look on his face. And instead of him still fighting hard to win even though the odds are that he won't win, he'll just give up & stop playing altogether. And when I call him out on it, he'll act as if nothing is wrong, almost forgetting that everyone saw him pout like a big baby. When watching sports, sometimes it's obvious if one team is going to win the game even before the game is over. But those football players on the field don't stop playing hard just because they're losing. They play even harder to show sportsmanship. And it just seems that all of the Leos I know take losing to a more childish level instead of the whole "pride and ego" thing they want to label it as.

If there's one thing I can't stand, it's a person that gives up or quits too early (like children do) just because things aren't going their way. When I'm competing against someone, I've already taken into consideration that I might lose & yes, even though it'll kill me to lose, I'm still going to play hard because that shows character & that I'm not a quitter. But it's a bit childish & utterly immature when Leos cannot take loss like grown men & women. If you're only going to give your all only if you know you're going to win, then it's not even worth the fun & risk of playing.

.....Just had to get that off my chest

I'm sorry you've experienced Leos that are like that. But why do you make the title "petpeeve about Leos"? You don't mind when people born under other signs do that? This seems like this is just your personal experiences with your significant other or acquantances so it would be better just to make a thread called "my petpeeve about my significant other" and not 'Leos'. I would hardly call this a Leo trait. Just my thoughts.

"I'm sorry you've experienced Leos that are like that. But why do you make the title "petpeeve about Leos"? You don't mind when people born under other signs do that? This seems like this is just your personal experiences with your significant other or acquantances so it would be better just to make a thread called "my petpeeve about my significant other" and not 'Leos'. I would hardly call this a Leo trait. Just my thoughts."

And I appreciate your thoughts. But I made it very clear that I felt this way because of personal experiences with leos, meaning PLURAL. Not just one. I just chose to write about this specific incident that I've noticed with most of the Leos I know. Sure, people from other signs have problems losing but in MY eyes I've noticed this more with Leos than with any other sign. It might be different for you or the rest of the world but I can only go off of MY own experiences with them. And because of the fact that I noticed this with mostly the Leos in my life, I decided to post this on the Leo board.

And as far as the title, I picked this title because in my mind that's what I've experienced with my Leos, therefore I see this as something some Leos struggle with. Not once did I say ALL Leos do this & it's not fair to say that NO Leos do this either because everyone's experiences with them are different. And I meant what I said when I said, "my petpeeve about Leos" because I made it perfectly clear that I wasn't directing this post towards just one Leo (my boyfriend), but instead to the different Leos in my life. You assumed that I was talking about my mate but I clearly said I wasn't so I don't think I need to change the title (I meant what I said, even if you don't agree with me, that's fine), others who read this need to read more carefully. Yes, I did use my mate's situation in one of my examples, but I never once said, Only HE does this. If I had've felt that only HE struggled with losing, I would've simply titled it the way you thought I should've. But since that wasn't the case, I created the title to reflect exactly what my experiences told me to write

A lot of people give up easily. I had a leo roomie and he never did that with games from what I saw. He was a pretty laid back leo...of course he was stoned most of the time, so that could be it.

"I think it's wrong to measure up Leos capability by just playing the cards. My ex-gf (Aqua) also taught me how to play poker which is just a simple game not a CHALLENGE wherein love, life, career, family and friends are involved.
Wait until his Ego and Pride is bruised by any of the above challenge I mentioned.

If Aqua only knows how to appreciate the Leo and if Aqua can also do self-evaluation --- then maybe Leo and Aqua could be a match made in heaven. "

First off, me using the cards situation was just ONE situation. There have been 100 times when I've experienced the "give up" early thing I (keyword) see with the Leos I know. The card situation happened just recently so I just decided to give that example. Sure, I could sit up & list out every single example of how I've seen Leos give up too early but even then, some people just don't believe that Leos give up easily like I do, so either way it'd be pointless.

I just gave an example that was more recent. My mom, 3 best friends, current boyfriend, ex boyfriend, 7 of my cousins, & 2 of my brothers are Leos so it's not like I'm making this up out of my a*s!

And how do you know I don't do any self-evaluation. One thing YOU must learn about Aquas is that self-evaluation happens in the dark. We don't feel the need to share that side of us with the world. When we get home & when we are alone & have peace & time to reflect we do our own self-evaluations. And just because we don't put stickers on our heads that say "Did a self evaluation today" people automatically assume that we're not human beings that know we have flaws just like everybody else. I do plenty of self-evaluation every single day, but that doesn't mean I can't point out a flaw in someone else.

And if me pointing out a flaw in someone else means I don't self-evaluate myself then that means everyone in this world needs self-evaluation time.

including you

"All you ever hear about is Leo pride, Leo ego. you'd think that since they seem to know it-they'd keep their mouths shut. Instead of throwing accusations."

Right, I mean. I'm not a Leo but I've dealt with & been around so many I can't count so when I speak of my experiences with them, I am not voicing my opinion out of ignorance but instead more out of my own personal experiences. You may not have seen what I've seen & experienced when it comes to Leos so of course I don't expect for everyone to agree with my viewpoints.

And I think alot of people just know the basis of what Leos are all about: Pride/Ego & attention. But after truly getting to know them & getting past those barriers I've seen Leos more in depth than just what those astrology websites & books tell us. The reason I decided to write this post is because I've noticed the "give up easily/or can't take loss" flaw in mostly all of the Leos I've dealt with. And yes, I've known some Leos to take the "can't take loss" thing to another level, rather it's through relationships, their friendships, careers, etc. The "card" situation was just 1 recent example of how alot of my Leos have shown their true colors in the heat of battle or competition. Sure, most people hate to lose, but then again there's a difference between hating to lose & being upset that you lost & losing & taking such a simple loss a little more to the heart than should be.

I hear it all the time about Aquarians & other fixed signs & how we are very stubborn in changing our opinions. Sure, there are times when someone can bring up a good point that I hadn't thought out & I'll immediately see things from their eyes & from their point of view. BUT for the most part, I can't argue that most of the time, I am very slow to change my mind or view points on things. I recognize that sometimes being that way can be fatal to my growth as a person but hey, that's just an overall trait that coincidently alot of us fixed signs possess. Not every Aquarian, Taurus, Leo or Scorpio, etc. is stubborn 100% of the time, but obviously there were enough of us that were that way & the number of us that are that way outnumbered the very few who actually aren't that way, so that is why others who are not fixed signs know this to be true about fixed signs: because of an evaluation of a mass number of people that turned out to possess some of the same traits or character flaws. And the same goes for my observation of Leos in the losing category

I simply wrote out MY personal observation of the "winning/losing" scenarios with Leos. Now, another person might observe Leos in this very same way & conclude something completely different. But when it comes to one's own personal experiences, there is no right or wrong observations.

given up easy is not a Leo thing I don't think...I have noticed the trait with Capricorns and Libras but Libras just flirt out of the game or rematch you till they win. What I see from the first post is that you're wanting them to play like you, but they don't...
no matter the amount of pride people have, using words like childish repeatedly is meant to put people in a place which no one will be happy going... but how do you react when a Leo loses a game to you? your reaction to winning is something I would see Leo reacting to with ego...

I am not a Leo but I have never had an issue with one giving up easy because I have no expectations of people generally...

phsss - now see I didn't expect that 😛

"but how do you react when a Leo loses a game to you? your reaction to winning is something I would see Leo reacting to with ego..."

Like I said, no one likes to lose, not even me. But while playing a game of anything, if I can tell that odds are I will lose, I won't necessarily quit giving effort just because the odds are that I'll lose. Of course, sometimes I want to just give up but I don't because it shows character when someone can fight out the battle because it shows good sportsmanship. I never said I thought there was anything wrong with hating to lose. I think that's a natural human feeling. But it's how a person takes rejection or losing that shows more character than people pay attention to. My problem with Leos is giving up before the game, or competition is over.

And sure, I'm pretty sure alot of Leos can't take rejection or the thought of losing because it deeply hurts their pride & ego as it does most people's. BUT, the point I'm trying to make is that there is a difference sometimes between acting out because pride/ego & acting out because of lack of maturity. I think Leos naturally tend to jump into things before really testing out the waters completely & so when they lose or things don't go their way, that pride/ego & stubborness kicks in instead of reminding themselves that there has to be a winner just like there has to be a loser, they instead react as if the world is over.

And hey, like I said over & over again. I'm open to people disagreeing with me because obviously our eyes & minds are different. Plus, the Leos you know might show different behaviors than the Leos I know.

mmmm, I see how that can be a petpeeve... I grew up with a similar behaviour but I addressed it by not just playing at all with said person... even after you explain it in the best possible way, it's just incompatible definition of sportsmanship I guess...
Or sometimes, the winning team has a certain stance they're not apparently aware off that pisses the opponent off - I've heard of this before...

I know a married couple that don't play certain games because of the memories linked to it 🙂 funny long story that one.

Anyways, Fire reacts with emotions as self-preservation before thinking of the main point
which is the reverse for Air... this can never change, so things you may take seriously may vary greatly as well as how you handle things

"Anyways, Fire reacts with emotions as self-preservation before thinking of the main point
which is the reverse for Air... this can never change, so things you may take seriously may vary greatly as well as how you handle things"

Well, just like with alot of things, I've learned to accept this fact about the Leos in my life. I don't have a choice but to accept these traits in them because I'm sure they can point out 100 pet peeves they have about me. But I'd like to point out that when I notice a Leo not taking losing very well, I rarely ever say anything in the moment. I usually sit back & observe because it's not that I don't understand why they feel the way they do, I just don't understand some of the (what I call) childish actions & behaviors ONCE they lose. I never say a word when I notice a Leo taking it to the head that he/she lost because losing is upsetting for anybody. And sometimes I expect for not just a Leo, but for anyone to be upset when losing something big but sometimes it's the smallest things that they lose & get just as upset.

It is a petpeeve of mine but it's not something that I just absolutely cannot live with & will not tolerate because like I said, everyone kind of has their own little opinion of losing/winning & how to react when either/or happens. But I'm still aloud to talk about it (with no ill feelings) because I'm an Aquarius & that's what we do 😉

I usually sit back & observe because it's not that I don't understand why they feel the way they do, I just don't understand some of the (what I call) childish actions & behaviors ONCE they lose.

hehehe - this sounds contradictory from my reading it...
do you really understand why they feel the way they do? because if so, doesn't it follow that you'll understand how they'll behave when they win or lose? idk... bit confusing.

So you're happy collecting data on this peeve... any idea how to make it less of a vexing peeve?

lol - some of my closest friends are air - used to the observations and my ear burning off from all the talking - JESUS !

"You assumed that I was talking about my mate but I clearly said I wasn't so I don't think I need to change the title (I meant what I said, even if you don't agree with me, that's fine), others who read this need to read more carefully."

I believe i said "your significant others, or "acquantances"" so yes I took into consideration the plural expression you made. Accordingly I gave a title as an 'example' that would better fit these encounters you make, and not dictating you what your title should ACTUALLY be. Just clearing that misunderstanding you made. I realize now that you are just venting so I'll let you vent away.

?And instead of him still fighting hard to win even though the odds are that he won't win, he'll just give up & stop playing altogether.?


"You got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em, know when to walk away and know when to run." .....a musical metaphor for being smart enough to realize, mastering any game in life, requires a player to recognize a losing hand and have the guts to walk away.

"All you ever hear about is Leo pride, Leo ego. you'd think that since they seem to know it-they'd keep their mouths shut. Instead of throwing accusations."

I completely agree. Stereotypes should be free to roam the human psyche unchecked and unchallenged. It's the only way to live really. BURN THE BLASPHEMERS!!! *eye twitch*

"But after truly getting to know them & getting past those barriers I've seen Leos more in depth than just what those astrology websites & books tell us."

Congratulations; you've gotten to know the individual! Eventually I hope you can learn to apply that knowledge to humanity as a whole, and realize that there is no point in having a pet peeve about an entire group of people, except to bias your thoughts, observations, and probably actions.

"I simply wrote out MY personal observation of the "winning/losing" scenarios with Leos. Now, another person might observe Leos in this very same way & conclude something completely different."

Exactly.

"But when it comes to one's own personal experiences, there is no right or wrong observations."

Only true for the person holding them. For example, I also know many Leos, and they are some of the most humble, persevering, good sports that I've met. That's the beauty of contrasting beliefs and opinions - they're not really based in fact, and therefore they simultaneously exist without violating any natural laws. Doesn't mean they are right - except to the person who formed them.

Tamara, kudos on the Kenny Rogers shoutout. Awesome song. 😛

"Only true for the person holding them. For example, I also know many Leos, and they are some of the most humble, persevering, good sports that I've met. That's the beauty of contrasting beliefs and opinions - they're not really based in fact, and therefore they simultaneously exist without violating any natural laws. Doesn't mean they are right - except to the person who formed them."
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I never said that I was talking about ALL Leos in the universe. Because hey, just like there are 50,000 people that might've observed the very same thing I observed about Leos when it comes to losing/winning, there are another 50,000 that might've disagreed with me too. And the same goes for you. The Leos YOU (keyword:YOU) know may be that way & that's fine. I was talking about the Leos I know & I'm amazed at how people tell me that my observations are wrong or not agreeable yet when they add in their own little opinion or "truths" about the Leos they know, they're forgetting that they TOO are mentioning things that others will & can easily debate and/or disagree with.

And it's not that I don't understand the Leos that I know, because honestly it would be impossible for me to 100% understand someone else when things & traits change every day. Hell, I'm not 100 years old yet so I still have some changing to do so I'm pretty sure half of the stuff they might say about me as an Aquarian might appear very true at the moment, & in 10 years from now appear to be completely false. Telling me the reason I consider something a pet peeve only because I don't understand it is completely wrong because there are alot of things that bother me & that I will never justify like serial killers, rapists, pedifiles, etc (you get the point), and in my eyes (the only eyes I have), those types of things cannot be justified morally so there is no crime in having a "dislike" which is another word for "petpeeve." So are you saying, the only reason humans dislike something or "pet peeve" something is because they don't understand it? Wow. That makes no sense.

"Wheelhomies, it's incredibly difficult to prove to a Leo that their remark is incorrect. They huff and puff or go quiet and dismiss your reasoning, and then sulk and walk off because they've clearly been caught out. They may justify it all by relaying that their 'pride' got the better of them."

See, and that kind of behavior (the sulking, the huffing & puffing) is what bothers me when battle of any kind is in motion. On one hand you guys are telling me that I'm assuming that ALL Leos are that way & trying to prove me wrong by telling me how DIFFERENT the Leos you know are when they lose. So what will you say when 50,000 people disagree with you? You'll say the same thing I said, which is "Guess what? I can only go by what I see & observe because I only have 1 set of eyes." What I consider a weakness, others may consider a strength. And it's the same vice versa. And that's why I said, when it comes to how one forumlates their opinion, there is no right/wrong answer IF the person has good reasoning for forming that particular opinion.

People have said, "Well you don't understand Leos yet, that's why you don't like how they react when they lose." Well guess what, it IS still possible to understand something 100% completely and STILL not agree with it or find it in yourself to justify it. I can study serial killers & based on the research, tell others what factors most likely lead to one being a serial killer (abusive family background, molestation, neglect of some kind, or a neurological disorder, etc.) & after knowing that STILL not agree with why people become serial killers even though I fully understand why they might've become that way. And it's the same with Leos. For one, I'm not obligated to understand EVERYTHING & even with the things I DO understand, that doesn't mean that "understanding" something means "learning to like or accept it. I'm aloud to have as many pet-peeves and dislikes just like everybody else.

Sure I could've changed the title to "Pet peeves that I have about the Leos I know" but nevertheless, people would've still saw the big picture & still disagreed with my findings & observations on the Leos I know; thus the let's quit focusing on the smaller picture (how I chose to word my title) and get to the big picture

And the big picture is, based off of what I've observed about the Leos I know, I concluded that alot of them overreact when losing. Sure, someone can argue with me & say "Well, what's your definition of "overreact" & another person can say "Well, who made the standard for which someone is considered over reacting?"

It's no different than how Pisces or Cancers are somewhat defined as emotional and/or very sensitive creatures. Some might even feel that the average Cancer or Pisces is over dramatic when getting hurt by someone. BUT, of course what I may consider sensitive, emotional or dramatic, someone else may not see it that way or might word it differently. So either way, if my observations are wrong then so are yours because there's always going to be someone there to disagree. And there's always going to be someone to disagee because everyone's experiences are different & plus, not all Leos are the same. When it comes to the things we observe, it's not fair to necessarily say that what we've observed will always & constantly remain there, but it is fair & true to say that we can make conclusions for the MOMENT & that's exactly what I did.

let's face it, leo men have temper tantrums, my brother is a leo but he never sulked about losing, he would just do better, he was very athletic but yeah he would grimace and menace and huff and puff and have that little boy tantrum when he couldn't get his way...I like it though so I can't really say it's a petpeeve, they are so darn cute it's ridiculous

(When Clinton admitted that yes he did cum all over a chubby it nearly brought a tear to my eye)

LMAO! OH gosh I almost spit my drink out all over the place

calthorpe, my remark was tongue-in-cheek.

"So are you saying, the only reason humans dislike something or "pet peeve" something is because they don't understand it? Wow. That makes no sense."

Was that directed to me? Because if so, that wasn't what I said at all. My only point was that, your truth may be your truth and that's fine. But when you come ranting to the people you purportedly have an issue with, don't expect them to agree with you. In fact, can we just remove the word Leo from the equation? Let's replace it with businessmen. My pet peeve about the businessmen I know is that they give up too easily. Based on my experience, this statement may be 100% accurate. However, I'm willing to bet there are many people who can validly disagree with my view. And if I go to a board meeting and say, "All you businessmen give up way too easily, and then act like children!" it would be smart for me to anticipate that I would receive some, shall we say, negative feedback.

No idea why you even posted this topic on the Leo board if not to get some contrasting opinions.

"I was talking about the Leos I know & I'm amazed at how people tell me that my observations are wrong or not agreeable yet when they add in their own little opinion or "truths" about the Leos they know, they're forgetting that they TOO are mentioning things that others will & can easily debate and/or disagree with."

You clearly missed my point because I wasn't attempting to "counter" your opinion with my own, I was attempting to show that generalizations like the ones you made are irrelevant in the grand scheme of things. Maybe you're not referring to ALL Leos, but really, you are applying your experiences to Leos in general. That's what you did when you made this topic. And all I'm saying is that you shouldn't allow these preconceived notions to influence the way you see other people.

It's biasing and hence limiting.

"It's no different than how Pisces or Cancers are somewhat defined as emotional and/or very sensitive creatures. Some might even feel that the average Cancer or Pisces is over dramatic when getting hurt by someone."

Which is also not always the case. Generalizations like these are the reason I don't pay much attention to astrology in real life.

"Was that directed to me? Because if so, that wasn't what I said at all. My only point was that, your truth may be your truth and that's fine. But when you come ranting to the people you purportedly have an issue with, don't expect them to agree with you. In fact, can we just remove the word Leo from the equation? Let's replace it with businessmen. My pet peeve about the businessmen I know is that they give up too easily. Based on my experience, this statement may be 100% accurate. However, I'm willing to bet there aremany people who can validly disagree with my view. And if I go to a board meeting and say, "All you businessmen give up way too easily, and then act like children!" it would be smart for me to anticipate that I would receive some, shall we say, negative feedback.
No idea why you even posted this topic on the Leo board if not to get some contrasting opinions."

No I wasn't directing that particular comment towards you but instead of creating an entirely new post, I just decided to respond to someone else' comments within the same post. And hey, it's not like I wrote this post so that everyone reading it would agree with me. I knew ahead of time that others would disagree, particularly Leos & that's fine. But just like others can debate my opinion & my viewpoints, I can also then respond to the replies. That's the point of this site: Discussions.

And once again (for the thousandth time), I am still content with the way I titled my post because in my mind, I WAS directing it towards the Leos that I know, not the businessmen I know, not the Aquarians or Pisces I know, not the millions of things these behaviors could've applied to. It would be no different if I posted on the Aquarian board how mostly all of the Aquarians I've dealt with are very stubborn & have a hard time changing their minds. Sure, not ALL Aquarians are like that. And sure, there are other signs that I've noticed can be this way also, BUT the difference is I decided to narrow it down & discuss my feelings on LEOS in particular. Is that a crime? Sure I can get on the subject of how I feel about Leos or or any other sign when it comes to business, friendships, sex, love, & all that other stuff. BUT I chose to focus on my viewpoints on how Leos are when they are in the moment of battle. It is what it is. Me standing up for my viewpoints & holding my grounds on my own experiences is what I'm entitled to do because this is a discussion site. It's okay for others to tell me t

It's okay for others to bluntly say that my viewpoints are wrong but yet when I dispute or stand up for my viewpoints or even remotely debate back to others, all of the sudden, I get deemed the girl who wants everyone to agree with her. I'm a grown woman. I can handle it when others disagree with me. I'm almost 100% sure that all of the viewpoints you & everybody on this site have, have been disputed or debated before. That's life. But don't get it twisted, I am not mad at how others are responding. I welcome it, otherwise I wouldn't have put my viewpoint on the world wide web for everyone to see. I'm just simply trying to make you guys understand where my viewpoint comes from just like everyone else is trying to make me understand why they feel differently too

"Maybe you're not referring to ALL Leos, but really, you are applying your experiences to Leos in general. That's what you did when you made this topic. And all I'm saying is that you shouldn't allow these preconceived notions to influence the way you see other people"

If that's the case, then that's what EVERY person on this site is doing. When you click on "LEO" you are clicking on it because you are seeking out information, opinions or advices on things only particular to Leos in particular. If a woman posts on the Leo board about how she is having problems with her Leo in the marriage that doesn't mean that she is saying that all Leos are heartbreakers. BUT because her husband is a Leo, she felt the best & most appropriate place to post that information on the Leo board. Every single time you click on the LEO board, you are expecting for that particular board to be centered upon Leos, rather it's people asking questions about them, telling you what they've experienced about them (which is what I did) or asking for advice about them. That's what the site is designed for.

It's no different than a woman who's been hurt by most of the African American men in her life. Sure, not all African American men in the world are out to hurt her in particular. But if she came to this site & there was a link that said, "African American men in relationships," she'd have every right to click on that link. And by all means, just because she clicks on that link doesn't mean that whatever she has to say or ask is labeling ALL African American men. She is just simply clicking on that link because whatever her viewpoints, questions, advices, or opinions are would be the best & most fit place for her to post those things. And just because she clicks on that link doesn't mean she is putting a label over ALL African American men, it just means that whatever she has to say would be the most relevant to the title of the post. And the same goes for why I decided to post what I did on the Leo board. I was simply giving my viewpoints on Leos in the moment of battle in particular. Sure, others can break it down & say "Well Pisces or businessness men are like that too so you can't just say Leos" & not understand that by me posting what I did, I wasn't implying that only Leos were that way, as opposed to the rest of the world. If I had've said "business men act childish when they lose" others would've still disagreed with me but hey if posted my viewpoints in the "Businessmen" link, how could another person say that what I have to say is irrelevant to businessmen? That doesn't make any sense

"who cares? it is a game of cards or monopoly or whatever. lol. i mean seriously? for a person in a relationship with a leo...kryseennnenenenenene sure does not seem to like him very much"

So let me ask you this. If you're in a relationship right now & you notice some of your mate's behaviors that you don't particular like, does that mean that you don't love that person just because you don't like a few things about them? NO! No one is perfect. There is always going to be something we see in other people that we don't always agree with or identify with. Every friend you have is not perfect & has flaws but that doesn't mean that just because you voice those flaws that you don't consider that person still your friend. I adore my fiance very much just like I adore the Leos in my family & My Leo Friends, but just because I voice my annoyances about some of their behaviors doesn't change how I value their love or friendship.

You'd all be lying if you said that you never had any petpeeves or dislikes about the ones you love.

Another petpeeve of mine is people who tail me on the highway. Sure, not ALL drivers tail people. But if this site had a link that said "Driving" it would be very relevant for me to post that particular pet peeve on that board in specific.

"let's face it, leo men have temper tantrums, my brother is a leo but he never sulked about losing, he would just do better, he was very athletic but yeah he would grimace and menace and huff and puff and have that little boy tantrum when he couldn't get his way...I like it though so I can't really say it's a petpeeve, they are so darn cute it's ridiculous"

See, that's how you feel about the Leos in your life. And it just so happens that I agree with you. But IF I didn't agree with you, I can only tell you that I disagree & move on. But if I were to tell you that there is no way possible for your opinion or viewpoints to be right then that makes the same thing true about my own opinions & viewpoints. Thus, I would never tell you that your viewpoints are wrong if that's what you experienced. I CAN however stress how our viewpoints are DIFFERENT. There's a difference

"I'm just simply trying to make you guys understand where my viewpoint comes from just like everyone else is trying to make me understand why they feel differently too"

Guess that was an erroneous assumption I made. It seemed by the tone of your posts that you were upset that people were disagreeing with you.

"Is that a crime?"

Certainly not. However it kind of becomes one when someone starts stereotyping. Slippery slope I suppose.

"I'm just simply trying to make you guys understand where my viewpoint comes from just like everyone else is trying to make me understand why they feel differently too"

Guess that was an erroneous assumption I made. It seemed by the tone of your posts that you were upset that people were disagreeing with you.

"Is that a crime?"

Certainly not. However it kind of becomes one when someone starts stereotyping. Slippery slope I suppose."

It would've only been a stereotype if I had've clearly said EVERY LEO is like that, including the ones I DON'T know. But I didn't. If I said, all African American men are thugs, that's stereotyping black men. But if I said, all the black men in MY circle are thugs, then that's not stereotyping; that's stating my viewpoint that's based on reason

And oh no I am not upset at all that people have disagreed with me because there are plenty of posts that you or the next person might post that I'll disagree with so there's no ill feelings. After all, this is just a website full of people giving their opinions. That's all it is & I knew that coming in. I don't know a single one of you so I made it a point NOT to take any disagreements personal because at the end of the day I have very valid reasons for my own viewpoints just like you & everybody else does.

I was fine when others disagreed with my viewpoint & gave their arguments as to why they disagreed or told me their own personal stories with their Leos. But because I made it perfectly clear that I wasn't "stereotyping" ALL Leos, I started to wonder why everyone kept changing the focus to my title when really all I wanted for others to do was either agree or disagree with my viewpoints & give their reasons.

Hell, I love Leos. But just because I love someone or something doesn't mean that I have to 100% agree or 100% accept or 100% understand EVERY SINGLE thing about them. It would be different if I kept the list going about what I dislike about Leos. Then I could see others assuming that I obviously didn't like my Leos or Leos in general. But all I did was break it down to that 1 topic: When Leos lose. And I have no idea why others would assume that just because I see flaws in someone else (even if others don't see what I see as flaw) doesn't change how I value or love that person. I'm sure my Leo can comment on how he hates that I'm so stubborn all the time, but I know he still loves me & that shouldn't change just because he voiced his opinion

JESUS F H CHRIST!

Kris, is that you?

nope even the other aquas have complained about it. you might call it a petpeeve they have.

I'm Leo, my boyfriend Aqua. We play poker...sometimes 8 hours solid, challenging each other over and over and over again.
We also play scrabble, neither can stand to lose so we just keep tallying up the score, playing one game after another. Same with rummy and the other board games we play....we love the challenge and it never causes fights, only freindly competition. I'm Leo and I cannot give up....I will make him sit there until dawn just to beat him at ONE game of scrabble (because he's bloody good). I don't think "giving up" is typically Leo. In fact quite the contrary.

My experiences with Leos have been quite different then the topic creator's experiences. From growing up with a Leo younger brother and a Leo father I would at times feel quite intimidated with their stubbornness. I am on the same boat with LeoAqua when she says Leos cannot give up. I find that their stubbornness (pride?) keeps them from giving up even if they clearly see defeat in the future just to demonstrate their fighting spirit and inability to back down. I think that this portrays the traits of the archetypical Leo.

Hey LK, been on leave for a while. How you doing?
About scrabble....what gets me is when he gets "Queen" on a triple word score and two rounds later turns it into "Queens". I want to smash his goddamn head in!
I keep explaining that the fun is in creating the words not seeing who can outscore the other but he just doesn't get it so subsequently kicks my ass every time! Last night he beat me by 4 points - I almost threw up.

since posting my message prior I did some researching....
found a website www.scrabblewordfinder.com - my blackberry in my lap....ha ha he's going to shit bricks when I kick his ass this evening!

Yeah beat him last night. Sigh of relief.
And didn't use the cheater!!
He's sulking now.

LOL You two ^^^

i am going to have to assume based on this post, that aquas have an incredible ability to talk and talk (or write and write) about nothing consequential for extended periods of time...making huge paragraphs in an effort for said writing to seem deep and profound.


LMAO!!!