Can make it work... How?? (Page 2)

theLibran, if you are insisting on basing your relationships on astrology alone, then you should be looking closer at the Mercury, Mars & Venus signs. This is where i believe true compatibility lies. Your Sun sign is the "core" you, i agree, but if the planets i mentioned are not within compatibile signs than the "chemistry" or a "true affinity" required to sustain a relationship cannot exist. That being said, i also believe it is extremely naive to base your relationship choices on astrology alone.

"Most times its communication gap, difference in life style and so and so interpersonal mismatches"

My apologies, i didn't read this before making my comments before, however, this falls in line with what i was saying. Mercury = Communication, Venus = how we express Love, Mars = how we express passion (physical passion and/or passion in life)

***This is the issue. Most people see themselfs in love when they meet the social explanations of what love is. They live in an illusion of love. Initially its all blind and slowly it start getting bad then end up in a divorce. Divorce rate is only increasing and has never gone down in history. You can say its bcoz of women gaining more freedom. Thats only a minor contribution if you look at the whole picture. Most times its communication gap, difference in life style and so and so interpersonal mismatches.***

Ding! Ding! Ding!- Now this I can agree with... You can't learn this better than experience. I have learned all the physical attraction (the way a person looks, talks, what they say "they will do for you" in the moment only) - It is about true understanding, communications and a soulful connection. I am a pro at leaving a situation that I KNOW in my heart of hearts won't work for me in the long run, or that isn't a workable relationship. It is hard to do when you are "in love" but it is a smart thing to do. It can be very painful for both parties...

I have learned all the physical attraction (the way a person looks, talks, what they say "they will do for you" in the moment only) Is not enough...

I Used 2 think that u can make it work if u try, but now i realize it can only work if both parties are willing 2 work things out and communicate.Its impossible 2 do it alone.

"TheLibran.. this is true. But in the meantime, im dying and gettin tired of the wait. But I know.. I know... shag him"

There ya go...easy fix!!! Just shag em, forget astrology!! LOL

Kris, you are correct. I know of two couples Libra man/scorp woman who have been together for a long time. Beside the fact that is seeming inevitable that Libra men will find me wherever I am to the point, I have to starting asking what their sign is before their name LOL!

But, ofcourse if you ask thelibran you will find it is impossible for the combo to ever find TRUE happiness and it will NEVER last long at all... In his oppinion of course....

Chatz.. LOL!! Right.
Per this thread everything is aligned.. aqua/libra, good communication, best friends, in love.. but NO SEX.. WTF! I need some sex in all this. Im readin that Sexstrology book tryin to figure out how to shag this guy... and that is not even helpin 😢

.. and I was married to a libra in my past life and know first hand that not even all libras are compatible with all aquas, so there has to be another element involved like thelibran, libra and LS have been saying. But I am astrologically challenged, so all the other stuff is hard for me to figure.

OMG..im in love with an "attached" aqua at work..he is divine, and there is no real sexual thang, just a lovely nicenes when we're communicating. We both know its in the air and we're both leaving the company in the next 7 days. So, i intend to email him (through work) on Saturday just to inform him that i have had THE biggest crush on him for the last month!! That way he'll know without any embarrassment, or so i hope 🙂

I agree more with Queen on the Libra/Scorp thing. I think it can work but only after BOTH parties have matured, and, already experienced true love. Afterwards the scorp calms down and becomes more of a thinker, still a feeler but more of a thinker too and the opposite happens for the Libra guys. Libra guys have to have the experience of completely opening up to someone under their belt before they do with a scorpio because for some reason Libra guys hold back a bit when it comes with scorps. If the scorp has the experience to have aquired emotional patience then the Libra will be more emotionally comfortable around them and will eventually open up. I think it is one of those connections that will only get stronger over time. The longer they are together, the more effort the Libra will put in. Libras can be very stubborn and tenacious, but only after they have made up their mind on something, which itself takes a while.

If both are experienced and matured relationship wise, then it can be a good match. I think the Scorpio will ALWAYS feel like her Libra could give her a little more attention and likewise he Libra feel like his scorp could give him a little more space but with the maturity and experience it is only a little, where it would otherwise be A LOT.

Every other libra man I know, once had an affair with some Scorpio women. Everyone faced the same difficulties in the long run. And most of them pushed the situation to a level and got away from their Scorpio(yea we don't dump anyone, we make them do it when we are emotionally attached). Its an easy to bed with combo and not necessarily a marriageable combo. If libra man is tired of looking around, or don't want to get away and take his chances, nor he has met a gemini girl, then he will sure love to stay with his scorpio women. But this combo doesn't bring much positive outcome or happiness all the time. There will be fights, there will be arguments and most times libra can get irritated bcoz Scorpio reads us wrong and mess up things which we were planning to solve in our own ways. Worst lines always heard is "You don't know people... They are cunning" and telling this to a Libra can be the most stupid thing to do. Scorpio only see the cunning side of every person. Libra see both.

I think Librans are VERY cunning!!! They act all sweet and innocent and lovey dovey but sheesh, try to break through it— got your hands full.

Would take a LOT to outsmart a Libran damnit!!! 😛

Oh I meant to also say - so much for being naive!!! They kinda know what you're up to LOL

KINDA know—?

OK they DO know!! sheesh, picky, picky hahaha

***Libra guys have to have the experience of completely opening up to someone under their belt before they do with a scorpio because for some reason Libra guys hold back a bit when it comes with scorps. If the scorp has the experience to have aquired emotional patience then the Libra will be more emotionally comfortable around them and will eventually open up. ***

Exactly my experiences Nic...

thelibran - Hmmm, I left because I wanted too and they totally didn't want to break up and acted like they didn't see a problem period to an extent. So I wasn't pushed. My choice.

No combo brings positive happiness ALL THE TIME, not even a Libra/Gem....

Again, How old were the Libra/scorp combo - It takes maturity on both parts remember that!

Libras are not at all that cunning. But refraining from making a decision (but therefore also not going in the opposite direction) probably is perceived as just that.

Queen, I agree with u regarding the whole combo thing. No matter how much u may want everything to be rosie. " libra's love everything rosie" at some time, there will definitly be hell on earth...HAHAHAHA! Depending on which way the scales are dipping.

"Libras are not at all that cunning. But refraining from making a decision (but therefore also not going in the opposite direction) probably is perceived as just that. "

Actually, we are very cunning but we don't see ourselves as cunning and it is not a word were comfortable being described with so we try to rationalize our way out of being cunning. In the end though, we are and we need to watch ourselves because it is something we do without realizing it.

It is the little things we do along the road that both we and the people we are dealing with don't catch until way later down he road and then somone finally catches on and throws it in our face how cunning we have been and we try to argue it but as we do our mind is going "oh snap...that was cunning as hell."

We are probably the one sign that is cunning that actually doesn't really like that side of us and trys to burry it. If you sit down and think about it, everything you do, even situaional things where you are clear and up front is bennificial to YOUR bigger picture. It isn't a "bad" thing but we always have something going on between the lines. Relationships, work....everywhere.

I think it is because we are subconciously control freaks. It lies under the surface, and we get what we want in subtle ways and it comes out on the surface as perfectionism...but were perfecionists because it is a way to allow us to control a situation.

So....complicated.

Perfectly worded as usual.....I can relate to what you just said as an outsider looking in on my particular Libra "friend".....very cunning, very subtle, always gets what he wants and acts so innocent about it all. Gotta love him for being that way as much as I hate it LOL. The control freak?? yeah, I can see that too...

At the same time, I've noticed he's like a duck on water - gracefully swimming on top but paddling like mad down below (in other words, looks calm and together on the outside but inside?? a mess of confusion).

As a Leo, I'd like to just take him in and make it all better but damn!!! he's so hell bent on being happy with being unhappy.

Maybe that's another cunning aspect?? feel sorry for me?? Hey it worked for 10 months LOL

OMG I have to shudder as my new boss is a LIbra - OMG what am I instore for?? already he has turned the department inside out, upside down and back to front - man he's a go-getter and wants answers!!! Whoah@the bomb!!!

I think hat is similar for all Libras chatz, we come across as calm, in control of our lives and charming but beneath the surface we are grinding things out in our minds constantly. The duck on water analogy is a good one for us.

I have several times been described as comming across very strong, calm and confident. Whenever I am I silently sigh. In a lot of ways I am, and in a lot of ways I handled the situations in my life would go to provide examples for that kind of description. But man does it come with a lot of constant mental dissection. That is the part we don't let other people see, they just see the results...and were so well practiced from doing this everyday in our lives with everything that crosses our path that it is no wonder we come across as cold and uncaring to a lot of people. There are a lot of little situations, or even big ones sometimes where as soon as it crosses our path we just dispatch of it. It is from all of that pondering, bring up a subject, any subjec and we have gone through every possiblity involving it at some point in our life. that clarification was stored and is brought up for later use. Someone brings up a political topic and we have a snap out of it approach to it, someoen brings up a personal problem and we have a practical solution....we have at some point already weighed it back and forth, inside out and stripped it down.

Your new boss sounds like me whenever I am put in charge of something, or have to take charge of something. I wan every answer and every related aspect no matter how unrealated it seems because I can't help but not make the "best possible decision" for the big picture. Screw the little picture, little pictures are circumstancial events that come and go, they are the effect, I want to attack the cause.

I have noticed those with large egos and small abilities always focus on the effect. But that is going a bit off topic.

sorry, "can't help but want to make"

tha and the "t" key on my keyboard is giving me problems.

"There is nothing great about being cunning , its horrible and those who deceive others will end up deceving themselves in the end . you should see where they end up . Air signs in general are pretty cunning but rarely like it or use it from experience . Water is the element that readily uses cunning . Earth is not that cunning but they are ruthless . Fire signs are the worst at it ."

I agree completely.

There are situations where you do have to look out for your own well being over others, but that is different than taking advantage of others for ones own benifit. There is a fine line that gets crossed a lot of the time.

I have known Leo's to have a lot of cunning. It probably bothers me because I see it in myself when I see it in them. One of those "one finger pointed at them, three pointed back at you." kind of things.

Wow, you sound like him then....a bomb ready to go off - its good for our company but sometimes he comes across as the most uncaring person...deep down inside though, having learnt about Librans, I know that he just sees it as his project and he holds this dear to him...he only wants what is best but to those who have been here 5 years plus, its disheartening to see him do the things he's doing....yes he sees the big picture and we have memories of things he just wants to toss out with no room for argument. Then a few days later he smooths things over by taking us for a few drinks or organises morning tea/arvo tea.....bloody Librans!!!!!!!

AS far as my own situation goes...Mr Libra seems to have accepted his "loss" with me without any argument, without any fight which of course makes me very sad coz it just means I meant absolutely zilcho and after 10 months of my loyalty to somebody who didn't realise "how I felt"— argghhhh youch!!!! Ruthless, heartless and all those words LOL....yes, you do tend to come across VERY cold in these situations and us other signs are the only ones who seem to be hurting. Grrrrrrrrr

Kris, Air signs being cunning?? yes we can be VERY much so but we are also very obvious about it and mostly get caught LMAO

"There are situations where you do have to look out for your own well being over others, but that is different than taking advantage of others for ones own benifit. There is a fine line that gets crossed a lot of the time"

Exactly!!

Well whatever will be will be.

LOL thanks Kris, Im not worried about finding "the guy" at the moment....yes, lesson learnt...I've never been involved with a real life player before (honestly) and only heard about them until now. Wow Im shell shocked!!!

To not have known how I felt?? we went through this 3 times before, and each time he knew but allowed the status quo to continue. This time I spelt it out to him in real words and he took this hard and he really thought he wasn't hurting anybody....you see he comes across as a "nice guy" and he is really a nice guy but he has lost his way and continues to blame his ex for his unhappiness to which, as I see now was probably the wrong thing to say to him, 2 years is a long time and he's only giving her more time by not allowing himself to have feelings for anybody else.

But at the same time, he really was dangling me..he had me exactly where he wanted me and I allowed this (so I cannot just blame him) because I do love him. As I see it now though, with his aloofness, he only saw me as the one he'd turn to when there was nobody else and that hurts like hell right about now. The only pathetic thing though, is if he came to me now and turned this around?? I'd take him back in a flash...he'd know this too. He did say, and this was probably just to make me feel somewhat better...hahaha..as if...."In time, I will probably regret not being more serious with you"...and on to say "Im just not ready for a r/ship and Im not worth you hurting - really, Im not worth it"....whatever!!!

Going for b/day drinks— what am I thinking?? we all know where that would lead and he would LET it, even knowing that it would hurt more to continue. THAT is what makes me so angry about this....he really would just continue whilst chasing more conquests, searching for the perfect girl that just does not exist.

There ya go - venting to the max!!

Trying...he's actually doing it for me by being elusive....he probably knows he needs to look like the mean one so I just go away - well he is mean LOL. He's no doubt been in this position many times.

Anyway I'll stop whinging now....time for some chocolate.

"leos think they are cunning and like the feeling but they are not that good at it honestly we should just stick with courage thing lol . caps , cancers , pisces , scorpios and libras are the best manipulators ."

I have been in several battles of cunning with two different Leos. One was my former business partner, and it was more subtley manipulating the way he looked at things so he could see the bigger picture or realize what he was fighting for was the affect of something not the cause itself.

The other was with another Leo whom was engaged to a Libra girl I started dating and who eventually chose to leave him for a relationship with me. He is a bad example of a Leo though, so a lot of the traits he exhibited would not be at all fair to summerize with all leos. But he was very good at manipulating and is rather cunning, more than I wanted to give him credit for. I battled him in the cunning department for a while then grew tired and switched to clear and even confrontational....that got him to back off. His perception of himself was so far from the truth that it was impossible to hash it out with him, it was to the point of dilusion and there was no room for rationality. Of course, given the circumstances...I can't really blame him but I think what did it was his constant trying to use cunning and manipulation was actually relinquishing his own personal power and giving it to either myself or her considering the situation.

I was friends with him beforehand so I had a lot of patience and empathy for him but once it got to the point of threatening violence (passive agressively) I brought up the point that this circumstance/situation was turning out to be more important than his life.....I think that got the message across.

You leos do courage well. It is a really messy situation when Leos and Libras are at odds or in confrontation with one another. Leo men are usually warrior spirrits and do courage rather swimmingly. Libra men are usually protector spirits and do tactics and viciousness rather well. It's not fun when the two have it out for each other. Especially since the protector isn't motivated unless attacked and the Leo is more than couragous enough to do the attacking. Weather it be up front or it comes from the side so to speak.

Believe it or not, Leos hate fighting with their loved ones and hate having bad feelings towards anybody they care about...it hurts us more than it does them (sheesh, where have I heard that line before?). But yeah we could go for days, weeks even LOL. If its important hehehe....we act for NOW whereas a Libran for example thinks long and hard and analyzes yada yada....we are more impulsive - I guess that would make Libra and Leo a fairly good couple...the Libra can tame the impulsiveness and the Leo can make decisions the LIbran can't LOL

Grrrrr@being a Leo right now....I want NOW!!!!

Yea we are cunning. Rarely cunning for our personal benefits I guess. But most times when we want to make things working in the very first round, we will plan and play our game - only to win. Manipulating others to our advantage or for the benefit of majority is our hobby. We keep doing it. But always we have justifiable targets which makes us play all these games.

* There will be fights, there will be arguments and most times libra can get irritated bcoz Scorpio reads us wrong and mess up things which we were planning to solve in our own ways.

This has been my experience with Scorps who are close to me. (My best friend is an exception because she has a Libra rising and a Leo moon, she is also very close to the Sag cusp ... as a Sag rising with a Leo moon and a Libra sun ... she gets me.) Usually they try to own me, this obviously doesn't work.

***(My best friend is an exception because she has a Libra rising and a Leo moon, she is also very close to the Sag cusp ...***

When your birthdate is can make a difference? My b-day is one day from the cusp of being a libra, not to mention my Leo rising and my Sag moon and Aqua mars... Hmmmm, maybe that is what makes me a different scorp as it relates to air and fire signs... What you think LS?

***Is LP oK, he hasn't posted?***

Very busy... Very, very busy.

Queenie

I imagine it does. I imagine in real life we would probably be the best of friends because of all the fire influence in your chart. My chart is primarily fire and air. 🙂

thelibran makes some interesting arguments but he forgets one human element "the heart wants what the heart wants." Sometimes we, as people, just aren't logical.

"thelibran makes some interesting arguments but he forgets one human element "the heart wants what the heart wants." Sometimes we, as people, just aren't logical."

Awesome point. It brings up a philisophical arguement though. Are we meant to tame the heart in the direction the Libran is talking about, is that a lesson we are supposed to learn in this life? Or is it the opposite, are we supposed to learn how to make the "imperfect" match work. Are we supposed to learn from opposites to further better our understanding of others or are we supposed to find an ideal match so that we can focus our energies on other important tasks in life as well?

I always observed myself analyse my feelings, and how I am in relationships, how to get what I want, and then the feelings themselves and feeling them. Like two different people, one detached and observing (myself mostly because of course I'm such a hero in it all), and the other one right in the thick of it. And I always felt very clearly in control of my (slow moving) thought processes but absolutely not in control of the other.

Logic can get you far but you cannot make your heart to behave. And I think that that's fine. Let there be some mystery to life.

I think that repressing instinct (gut reaction e.g. fear and love) is very dangerous for the soul. It's unnatural and you ultimately kill yourself off. Like asking a gay person to mate straight.

You can make a conscious decision to live your life a certain way but I think if you look deep inside yourself you know perfectly well whether ultimately you've actually followed your heart, or not at all. And why. The most obvious answer often is the answer...

I don't think you can just follow your head. Only for so long. Until the truth catches up with you. And I definitely think you will not reach ultimate happiness by just following a path you've set out with your head and by ignoring your feelings along the way.

To know what you feel, and to feel what you know. And nothing less.

(I guess I've finally had that drink...)

I think I might have to make a statement that heart has nothing to do with love business and soul doesn't exist and both are purely primitive religious explanations of various brain activities. If brain was feeded with right set of information and the society around us were equally aware of the same set of information on whats best and what can make an individual truly happy, then I guess it will all be smooth and easy.

Say a 16 year old libra meets a 16 year old aqua and this is how its been going around them, both will be remain together. But after so many love disasters if you meet the one whom u will find comfortable being with, obviously your brain will think something is wrong bcoz everything looks smooth.

Yes it does... If am not wrong, most libras expect someone with whom he/she can walk shoulder to shoulder during our teens and we hardly find them. Then we get into those stupid wrong relationships and end up hurt. And then we start looking for whoever carries a part of those traits we think we need. I think this goes on...

Looking back in history, I wasnt able to find any known libra who had a scorp wife or a cancer wife. May be those who got married to a scorp or cancer or taurus never made history. It was always another libra, aqua or Aries girl(was quite surprised that I couldnt find one with a gemini partner) behind every known libra man. I guess thats what makes the big difference. I think I can deduct that people fail to be what they possibly can be when they get emotionally in love.

Going back to Indian astrology, I noticed that they never match sunsigns and always match moon signs which is an emotional match. Thats whats considered as a perfect match among Indian astrologers. I guess thats the reason why the whole country is populated with emotional people. Movies, work ethics, families, business, politics, religion etc etc everything runs on this emotional base. People dont understand anything other than emotions. An intellectual is considered like a retarded if he makes more sense than public is capable of grasping. And if public could understand little bit here and there, he is immediately declared as a living God. LibraM-ScorpioF & VirgoM-LibraF & the polar opposities is considered a good match as per indian astrology. But a libra-aqua or libra-gemini is called an impossible match bcoz there will be lots of arguments. Remembering the fact that women had no freedom and were not allowed to talk or have an opinion till a few years back, I guess I know the reasons behind this law of match making.

So when does a man/women can produce his/her best— When are are clear headed, when there is perfect flow of communication and understanding and both are not victims of manipulative social psychology. If my partner makes me emotional or suspicious, a major part of my brain will be working on solving it.

these are the few reasons what makes me think its essential for both parties to realize its important to ignore those extra heartbeats and treat them as ones own weakness.

littlesparrow, yeah we would be dangerous as friends.

***I think I can deduct that people fail to be what they possibly can be when they get emotionally in love.***

But seriously, who wants that? A person should always be what they can especially in a relationship that only supports that...

***LibraM-ScorpioF & VirgoM-LibraF & the polar opposities is considered a good match as per indian astrology. But a libra-aqua or libra-gemini is called an impossible match bcoz there will be lots of arguments. Remembering the fact that women had no freedom and were not allowed to talk or have an opinion till a few years back, I guess I know the reasons behind this law of match making.***

If women were not allowed to talk, and they say LibraM and ScorpF were a good match, then I know that is wrong!!!

Because we all know Scorps are never short of opinions and expressing themselves.

"If women were not allowed to talk, and they say LibraM and ScorpF were a good match, then I know that is wrong!!!"

Scorpio talks. And libra pretend to listen. We dont act according to a scorpios advise unless its to make them feel happy(sorry QS, not to hurt u, am just confessing). Whereas we dance with an aqua or gemini and nothing is worked according to our individual preference. Its always a joined effort and they fill up the missing part of a libra. So a libra-scorp relationship is better since scorp push the confused libra who suffers from self doubt and make him feel all good but libra dont act as per a scorps theories.

"Indians are the most intelligent people i know they always prefer logic over emotion my indian friends are brilliant ."

May be from a western perspective.

sounds familiar...redundancy frustration.

***On the other hand, my Scorpio husband is exactly the person I should be with. We were not fortunate to meet earlier, but fate did put us together now.***

I think the Scorp/Libra combo can only work with maturity, and again it all depends on the individual person. So maybe it is good that you and your scopr hubby didn't meet until maturity...

I still think Libra men are the most compatible sign for me in a relationship no matter how long or short the relationship... We just get eachother on so many levels even on the levels that end our relationship. However we still stick by our own belief and behaviours and sometimes that doesn't gel.

Yeah. Stuff like that just comes down to compatibility and you can't force that. You either are on the same page or you aren't. Love has nothing to do with it.