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I came across this passage about how men have reacted to feminism, and women in particular, and it raised this question in a way that hadn't occurred to me before.

Have a look and see what you think:

"They don't know what to do with equality and feminism, a lot of men can't talk so they attack. Men today probably feel more vulnerable now...due to the increasing demonstration of women's strength. Feminism scares the ... out of men.

Men are 'frightened', scared that women, women have frankly come up [that is, improved their status].

As one woman said: 'You may have been safer, more secure, but back then you were NOTHING'.

Men, even if not violent, still look down on women 'on a personal and social level' and treat them as appendages.

These ruminations on the backlash suggest feminism may be a revolution 'half won', or perhaps only a quarter won. Young women assume formal equality in their access to education, to work, to politics, but they also understand that substantive equality in these areas has not been achieved. Moreover, they are disappointed that men have not changed, are still violent, are still unloving, are still reluctant to do housework, are still afraid of women."
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Posted by PotHeadVirgo22
LOLOLOLOL This shit is funny
Hell, I love strong women that can take care of themselves. "INDEPENDENT" is what they call it.
What I dont like, however, is a woman to sit on her ass and expect me to take care of her forever, "Bitch Please"
And what the hell do women have to complain about, really? They have everything so fuckin easy...but yet they still complain
smdh



Do some research on women's issues, oh ignorant one. Your age group is probably some of the most disturbing to listen to on the topic.
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Don't ever mistake my kindness for weakness. Have a great day.
My generation was reared by those born at the turn of the century and their children. "Equality" ( said tongue in cheek..a woman ran the home and wielded power ) was viewed with a jaded eye, an interloper on a system that clearly defined gender roles. I am more than sure everyone knows my personal viewpoint on such matters. It is as it ever was, a man says he wants a strong woman. With his mouth. Presented with one, he flees. To turn things on my own sex, I firmly believe women have lost their way. I have nothing against expression of self and views but I think they've lost touch with the joy of simply being female. That has nothing to do with Max Factor or other.
I truly believe that some men hunger for a woman who embraces herself utterly sans all this raised fist in the air, wig throwing, head weaving girl power horse shit. No woman with power shouts about it, she simply is that woman. With a smile.
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I think it has to do with the fact that women have evolved so much in the last 50 years while men have pretty much remained on the same spot. So naturally we are asking ourselves, what is a man and what do women expect a man to be when they themselves can do and become everything that men can, yet at the same time remain 'women'. What does equality mean for us men? Where does it leave us?

Anyway there are so many branches of feminisn that even a misogynist can call himself a feminist these days, so I don't like using that word. But I would place myself in the category of 'difference feminism' which basically argues that gender is not an all-around social construction but rather a result of the inherent biological differences between men and women. These differences are complementary and should be embraced. Women shouldn't have to adjust to a man's world or standards, instead the typically 'female' qualities should be valued as equal to their male counterparts.
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Posted by Ligeia
We got it easy huh smh.

We still only earn 67 cents on the dollar.

We bleed 3 days-a week every fucking month.

The double standards we get if we have the

libido "of a man", are assertive about our

hustle.

Let's not get into the perverted sexual stuff

we have to deal with. What we choose to wear

can be deemed reason enough to get harassed.

And on and on. I say all that to say, unless

you walk in the other gender's shoes you can't

say our "plight" is less burdensome than yours.



I find it really pathetic that some of these so called men say such ridiculous things. They wouldn't even begin to understand because they were born into a society that is set to benefit males by default.

Is it as bad as it used to be? No. Are there lame females who feed a stereotype? Yes. Are things equal? Not really.

Men still view women as sex objects and treat them accordingly. Look at all the stories here about guys getting a girl into the sack and then disappearing. Absolute lack of respect.

Our society still puts the usual pressure on women when we're supposedly beyond that. Magazine ads, commercials, etc. Men get it too, but not to the extent that women are assaulted from the time they're old enough to comprehend the commercials on TV.

Many men definitely view women as inferior. I was listening to a talk about sexual assault from someone who worked with the local police department. It was pointed out that while it shouldn't matter what women wear, unfortunately, in the rapists mind, it's a reason to rape. She has a tongue ring? She likes oral sex. She's dressing like she wants it? Surely, she must want it. These were things these guys told the department when they were being interrogated.

Oh yes, our society is absolutely equal. Until these little boys know what it's like to be in a woman's shoes, they have no room to say that we have nothing to complain about or that everything is supposedly equal. Come back to the discussion when you've been ignored or belittled about something because you're a woman and "don't know any better." I see this all the time. I have guy friends come to me for advice about health related issues. Then they turn around and argue with me about what I've told them. But hey, some random guy at GNC told them x,y,z, and they believe THAT guy.

Ego is a huge part of the problem, that's for sure.
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Posted by PotHeadVirgo22

hehehehehe^^^^ C'mon now is it really that hard?
67 cents on the dollar? Woopdee freakin doo
You bleed 3 days a week every month? okay I'll give you that one cuz thats some bullshit lol
Double standards? That happens between both genders so that doesn't count
And come on, If you wear something "revealing", you obviously want attention. So why get all bent out of shape when you get it—(women....smh)
None of it sounds convincing to me...besides the bleeding part




When one boasts about being a "pot head" in their username, it's REALLY hard to take anything that you say seriously. I've found that people who make their lives a little too much about weed, usually aren't very bright to begin with. Just sayin.
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Posted by Rockthenerds
That's the dumbest generalization I've ever heard.^ Who says he's boasting? Leave your prejudices out of this topic. Medical Mj is saving peoples lives everyday, while some of the most intelligent people I've ever know are legal caregivers. What you're saying is biased and disgusting if you have a personal issue with him settle that in pm.



Glad you took my comment so seriously. Sounds like you're not on enough weed. Internets is serious bidness.

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How about women sacrifice their career/goal in order to take care of their family?

Women had and have more responsibility for raising their children, and they spend years for it.
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Pretty much. Guys can argue that everything has been divided up, but if you really look at it, generally, women got their "equality" all while expected to still keep the traditional gender roles in the home. I know this isn't always the case with everyone, but it still happens quite a bit. Even cleaning product commercials or anything related to home/children/family target this idea. The kids and the family dog trashed the kitchen floor! Oh no! Here comes mom to clean it up!

Overall, it's not perfect on BOTH sides, but for the dominant gender to have the gall to say that women don't have anything to complain about or that things are fine as they are just shows how ignorant and self absorbed they are about these issues. It's like white people saying they know what it's like to face the issues that minorities face.

Those little boys who are "afraid" of women- insecure and their egos are intimidated by the idea of women not being the lesser gender. That ego loves the power.
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I agree that women face a lot of outside pressure but I don't feel that it exclusively comes from men.

In fact I'd say bar society's view on biological clocks and "sluts" it comes almost exclusively from other women.

CASE IN POINT ONE: I've been friends with all sorts of douchey dudes who'd probably not think twice about banging a drunk chick.

I don't condone their behaviour. I find it disgusting. But I won't call them out on it (except in extreme cases).

My rational as a man is "It's none of my business" and I'll only pipe up when someone is definitely going to end up hurt.

With a lot of women who usually have a gut reaction to everything this is totally different:

CASE IN POINT TWO:

I remember being in a club once and seeing these three girls OPENLY and LOUDLY express their disgust at the fact that another female clubgoer - who had absolutely no ties to these three whatsoever - had no hair.

Yup. She was bald, a fashion choice of hers and these other girls felt they should give her a hard time for it.

These girls actually looked pissed (they were black and were rocking weaves so...)

I think the male on male pressure is missing is all, which is why it appears so unfair.

I couldn't raise a child. At the age I'm at right now I can barely give up my dreams for love or money.

So I KNOW there are things that women can do that a man could never and I gaze upon them in awe for it.
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very true @ dg

Title should be called "Are mommas boys' afraid of daddy's girls". Then we can talk seriously lol



But then, there are some so-called "real men" too that cannot stand girls that voice their opinions, which is quite demeaning and depressing.
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Yeah, these men are cunts, no argument there.

However, there are a lot of women who voice opinions without thinking things through completely, having facts to back these up OR (and this happens 9 out of 10 times) considering feelings other than their own and they are cunts too.

Women who possess this naked, pure kind of selfishness are the ones I fear the most because they're troublesome for no good or valid reason.

I tend to stay away from these types though, so no biggie...
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very true @ dg

Title should be called "Are mommas boys' afraid of daddy's girls". Then we can talk seriously lol



But then, there are some so-called "real men" too that cannot stand girls that voice their opinions, which is quite demeaning and depressing.



Yeah, these men are cunts, no argument there.

However, there are a lot of women who voice opinions without thinking things through completely, having facts to back these up OR (and this happens 9 out of 10 times) considering feelings other than their own and they are cunts too.

Women who possess this naked, pure kind of selfishness are the ones I fear the most because they're troublesome for no good or valid reason.

I tend to stay away from these types though, so no biggie...



I'd like to think women like that would get pulled apart by their peers/fellow women if only for the idea that a blind eye is cast upon the ones that do the stuff you outlined in your post, as eventually they'll just burn out or try to attach themselves to somebody/something new.
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It's funny, really: I'd hate to seem like I'm calling someone out but these types get by on the "Tubby Effect".

You see how Tubby's screen presence is just a nuisance but certain female dxpers interprete that as edgy or whatever just so they don't end up in her crosshairs?

Yeah, something like that.

A man'll keep his opinions to himself until the actions of his fellow man go over board.

A woman will... well, if their priorities are screwed they'll hen peck where they shouldn't and encourage bad behaviour where they should.

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Posted by ZipZapZoooom
Ok.. first off, I was trying to reply 10 posts earlier, dxp kept showing an error which made me add it so wayy too late. Didnt see your comments until after I posted.

degrading women just coz u can doesnt sound very polished of you. So what? society is filled with all kinds of, flavors of people. Why single 'em out? cuz thats the only group you dont know how to handle. So take the route of naming 'em... hmm, nice.



Is that at me? If it is then please tell me where I expressed that I degrade women because I can.




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Posted by ZipZapZoooom
A man'll keep his opinions to himself until the actions of his fellow man go over board.

A woman will... well, if their priorities are screwed they'll hen peck where they shouldn't and encourage bad behaviour where they should.


Gender roles, right here... why try to dictate what/how a woman should act? this is what really irks me about men.



I'm not dictating how women should act.

I was merely standing around nodding my head to good music in a club when I noticed a trio of black girls express LOUDLY and OPENLY for the benefit of this fourth black girl who was bald their closed-minded opinions on a woman who chooses to go bald.

On the flipside, I bet you can point out three or four men you've known in your life who couldn't be bothered to move or react to anything save for if they were poked in the face with a chilled bottle of beer or a soft, squishy boob.

I'm just calling it how I've seen it. I'd rather it weren't the case.
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Ok.. first off, I was trying to reply 10 posts earlier, dxp kept showing an error which made me add it so wayy too late. Didnt see your comments until after I posted.

degrading women just coz u can doesnt sound very polished of you. So what? society is filled with all kinds of, flavors of people. Why single 'em out? cuz thats the only group you dont know how to handle. So take the route of naming 'em... hmm, nice.



Is that at me? If it is then please tell me where I expressed that I degrade women because I can.






I meant "name-calling"... the c word. So, if you dont like/agree with a group, it is easy to jump down the "use bad language" chute.
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Sorry for the bad language.

I swear a lot. As long as you see that I aimed it at the so-called "real men" as well, I'm cool.
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Posted by size zero superhero
Men(in general, not pertaining to individuals)don't/didn't appreciate the way women are ultimately in charge of whether their family name and seed is carried on or not. None were interested in 'settling for less' so to speak. Fertile and youthful-looking women are highly sought-after even while the suitor is physically repulsive enough to gag a maggot. After all, men are allowed superficial outlooks while women *should* see beyond his exterior and ~find the prize within~.

See, males have always had the luxury of being able to get old and fat without harsh criticism or others implicating it into their overall value as humans. You can get away with all of the above, socially speaking. Women--quite the opposite. We're expected to uphold and maintain unrealistic standards, usually appearance-related. And guess what? We didn't create that dynamic, otherwise men would be adhering to these rules as well. It's responsible for childish, petty interactions and unnecessary competition between women, often shrugged off or mocked by the same dude-bros who evaluate women strictly based on their ornamental value.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg



Women DID create the whole physical beauty dynamic, though, based on what data they "gathered" from observing men.

Example: A man who is in a relationship with a woman with small boobs will still look at women with big boobs just as a woman in a relationship with a short man will still look at tall men.

Why? Because both men and women react to physical beauty.

However, while the short man who catches his girl looking at tall men won't interprete it to be her preference, the girl with small boobs WILL and may even get a boob job done to "keep" her man.

While the short man may remember the qualities he has over the tall men his hubby is looking at, the girl with small boobs will lose sight of that.

To your other point MOST women who are with unattractive men are there usually because of money, or power or a certain status the man has (rockstar, football player, politician etc) and both parties usually know what they're in the relationship for.

A woman can get old and fat if she wants, but men don't go after women for their status, money or power: so that leaves what?

Personality and physical beauty of course! If you've got the two initially, a man is in for the long haul even when th
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Ugh, didn't finish: even when the woman's physical beauty wanes.

meanwhile a woman who went with an ugly man because of his status, money or power will leave the moment he loses it lol

Creating a facade won't make you any deeper.

Women at their core are just as simple and cave-manish as men.

Self-preservation tactics combined with perceived social status may make a woman choose money over love.

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Posted by size zero superhero
Men(in general, not pertaining to individuals)don't/didn't appreciate the way women are ultimately in charge of whether their family name and seed is carried on or not. None were interested in 'settling for less' so to speak. Fertile and youthful-looking women are highly sought-after even while the suitor is physically repulsive enough to gag a maggot. After all, men are allowed superficial outlooks while women *should* see beyond his exterior and ~find the prize within~.

See, males have always had the luxury of being able to get old and fat without harsh criticism or others implicating it into their overall value as humans. You can get away with all of the above, socially speaking. Women--quite the opposite. We're expected to uphold and maintain unrealistic standards, usually appearance-related. And guess what? We didn't create that dynamic, otherwise men would be adhering to these rules as well. It's responsible for childish, petty interactions and unnecessary competition between women, often shrugged off or mocked by the same dude-bros who evaluate women strictly based on their ornamental value.

And that's just the tip of the iceberg



Sanity has arrived.
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I resent the implication that we are as cave-mannish as men. Now fetch my pelt and slippers before I clobber you with my club. Start the fire and get to roasting that mammoth. It won't cook itself now will it?



HAHAHAHA!

"How'd you like your mammoth, dear, medium rare or well done?"

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Medium rare, and WHERE is my Guinness? *scratching groin*


Heeeheee, ho ho, teehee. 😄
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Posted by XXMR2NICEXX
I came across this passage about how men have reacted to feminism, and women in particular, and it raised this question in a way that hadn't occurred to me before.

Have a look and see what you think:

"They don't know what to do with equality and feminism, a lot of men can't talk so they attack. Men today probably feel more vulnerable now...due to the increasing demonstration of women's strength. Feminism scares the ... out of men.

Men are 'frightened', scared that women, women have frankly come up [that is, improved their status].

As one woman said: 'You may have been safer, more secure, but back then you were NOTHING'.

Men, even if not violent, still look down on women 'on a personal and social level' and treat them as appendages.

These ruminations on the backlash suggest feminism may be a revolution 'half won', or perhaps only a quarter won. Young women assume formal equality in their access to education, to work, to politics, but they also understand that substantive equality in these areas has not been achieved. Moreover, they are disappointed that men have not changed, are still violent, are still unloving, are still reluctant to do housework, are still afraid of women."



I dunno how I feel about this. I think this is a generalization to say all men are scared of woman to be successful on "their level" or don't see us as equal is preposterous. No one is completely equal, period end of story. Even if your comparing with a sex. Not every man has the same strength or weakness or intellectual prowess. Just as woman do not. A certain woman can be superior to a certain man in certain aspects in life and some ways we are not.

I think the way our society needs to get over this battle of the sexes BS is to look at ourselves as individuals, not by race, creed and/or sex. You are who you are, you excel in one area of life or you suck at others. Even crackheads excel at something. Rather it is being the most shifty bastard on the planet who can smoke rock like no one other or someone who actual wants to do something productive.

Hell it seems to me that a lot of women don't know what to do with our equality and or feminism and have to use their tits or sex as an advantage rather than make it out on the world by their own merit. Maybe they have no other tools to get ahead in life so they serve their tits on a platter. Such is life. W
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i would say yes.


This very thought became clear to me today whilst watching Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring.
Whilst watching it i realized something i never realized back when i watched it with mummy and daddy in the cinema.
Salron's eye looks like a vagina. And the ring is, ... well, a ring. And everyone fears Salron's eye (vagina). It's the pinnacle of evil. At the same time Frodo and the whole gang worship the ring. Which is a small hole also representing a vagina. You put the ring around your finger, bad things happen. You must resist the ring i.e. the vagina. Or else you get sucked in and it consumes you. Like Golem. And there's this one bit where this elvish bird gives somebody a wand thing that looks like a dildo.
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Posted by AA
i would say yes.


This very thought became clear to me today whilst watching Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring.
Whilst watching it i realized something i never realized back when i watched it with mummy and daddy in the cinema.
Salron's eye looks like a vagina. And the ring is, ... well, a ring. And everyone fears Salron's eye (vagina). It's the pinnacle of evil. At the same time Frodo and the whole gang worship the ring. Which is a small hole also representing a vagina. You put the ring around your finger, bad things happen. You must resist the ring i.e. the vagina. Or else you get sucked in and it consumes you. Like Golem. And there's this one bit where this elvish bird gives somebody a wand thing that looks like a dildo.



Oh goddd Whyyyyyy did i have to read that 😭
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Posted by AA
i would say yes.


This very thought became clear to me today whilst watching Lord Of The Rings: The Fellowship Of The Ring.
Whilst watching it i realized something i never realized back when i watched it with mummy and daddy in the cinema.
Salron's eye looks like a vagina. And the ring is, ... well, a ring. And everyone fears Salron's eye (vagina). It's the pinnacle of evil. At the same time Frodo and the whole gang worship the ring. Which is a small hole also representing a vagina. You put the ring around your finger, bad things happen. You must resist the ring i.e. the vagina. Or else you get sucked in and it consumes you. Like Golem. And there's this one bit where this elvish bird gives somebody a wand thing that looks like a dildo.



OMG Why did I read this LOL! This movie will never be the same for me ever again.
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