Best way to ask for a raise?

I've flat out asked for one twice and given reasons why i think it is warranted but have been given the brush off or run around both times.

Normally this is where i'd start exploring other options but I'm in my thirties and am tired of starting over. Plus I really like what I do.

Any suggestions?

Who is in charge of that aspect where you work.

Did you put the request in writing?

What time frame is realistic for a pay rise there and when was the last time anyone in that role received one...

start job hunting and use any offers/ competitive positions as leverage to threaten walking from your current position unless you get a pay rise.

I hate that tactic personally, but if you use it seriously and with the intent to follow through and leave I see no harm in it.

I would make sure I have some type of control over the boss, or have the skills and talent to deserve one if option one isn't an option. If they truly need you they won't deny a raise, its just having something specific that the other workers don't. Even being a straight up awesome person could work, but skills, talent, or control work just as well

Posted by wagtail
Who is in charge of that aspect where you work.

Did you put the request in writing?

What time frame is realistic for a pay rise there and when was the last time anyone in that role received one...

Yeah, exactly.. it's a start up company (been in business for 3-4years) so all the roles are not very exact.

I was hired on as an hourly employee. The pay was lower than what I had been making, which they brought up during my interview and commiserated with, but I was assured that there would be plenty of overtime. Which honestly I didn't mind. And the overtime made up for the pay difference (I never take lunch and always get there early/stay late).

But they moved us to salary about 2 or 2.5 months ago - at our regular, hourly rate. So now I'm making substantially less than previously and my workload has increased at least 10 fold due to them moving more work off the brokers and giving it to us. Meanwhile the brokers starting salary is still $ 10,000 more annually than ours - and they get commission on top of that.

I have notated these points to my immediate boss but nothing has come of it. I have also asked who I assume to be the next link in the hierarchy chain but haven't gotten a response from him either. The only thing I've heard has been second hand "performance reviews are usually given once a year on your hire date anniversary". But thwre has been no mention of who performs these reviews, what criteria is looked at, and how much said potential raise could possibly be.

I don't want to step on any toes, but fucking A. I do t even think they know where they're putting their feet.

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Posted by wagtail
Who is in charge of that aspect where you work.

Did you put the request in writing?

What time frame is realistic for a pay rise there and when was the last time anyone in that role received one...

Yeah, exactly.. it's a start up company (been in business for 3-4years) so all the roles are not very exact.

I was hired on as an hourly employee. The pay was lower than what I had been making, which they brought up during my interview and commiserated with, but I was assured that there would be plenty of overtime. Which honestly I didn't mind. And the overtime made up for the pay difference (I never take lunch and always get there early/stay late).

But they moved us to salary about 2 or 2.5 months ago - at our regular, hourly rate. So now I'm making substantially less than previously and my workload has increased at least 10 fold due to them moving more work off the brokers and giving it to us. Meanwhile the brokers starting salary is still $ 10,000 more annually than ours - and they get commission on top of that.

I have notated these points to my immediate boss but nothing has come of it. I have also asked who I assume to be the next link in the hierarchy chain but haven't gotten a response from him either. The only thing I've heard has been second hand "performance reviews are usually given once a year on your hire date anniversary". But thwre has been no mention of who performs these reviews, what criteria is looked at, and how much said potential raise could possibly be.

I don't want to step on any toes, but fucking A. I do t even think they know where they're putting their feet.

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Yeh I guess taking what you say at face value, I would stop worrying about stepping on toes and start stepping out the door tbh

Unless there is some kind of industry ombudsman you can pull in and get involved I don't see them actively making any changes or taking your concerns seriously.

Unless promotions, pay rises etc were initially outlined in writing with you and if you didn't question the salary cap/ initiative when it happened, you seem stuck.

Posted by wagtail

Posted by Andalusia

Posted by wagtail
Who is in charge of that aspect where you work.

Did you put the request in writing?

What time frame is realistic for a pay rise there and when was the last time anyone in that role received one...

Yeah, exactly.. it's a start up company (been in business for 3-4years) so all the roles are not very exact.

I was hired on as an hourly employee. The pay was lower than what I had been making, which they brought up during my interview and commiserated with, but I was assured that there would be plenty of overtime. Which honestly I didn't mind. And the overtime made up for the pay difference (I never take lunch and always get there early/stay late).

But they moved us to salary about 2 or 2.5 months ago - at our regular, hourly rate. So now I'm making substantially less than previously and my workload has increased at least 10 fold due to them moving more work off the brokers and giving it to us. Meanwhile the brokers starting salary is still $ 10,000 more annually than ours - and they get commission on top of that.

I have notated these points to my immediate boss but nothing has come of it. I have also asked who I assume to be the next link in the hierarchy chain but haven't gotten a response from him either. The only thing I've heard has been second hand "performance reviews are usually given once a year on your hire date anniversary". But thwre has been no mention of who performs these reviews, what criteria is looked at, and how much said potential raise could possibly be.

I don't want to step on any toes, but fucking A. I do t even think they know where they're putting their feet.

Yeh I guess taking what you say at face value, I would stop worrying about stepping on toes and start stepping out the door tbh

Unless there is some kind of industry ombudsman you can pull in and get involved I don't see them actively making any changes or taking your concerns seriously.

Unless promotions, pay rises etc were initially outlined in writing with you and if you didn't question the salary cap/ initiative when it happened, you seem stuck.

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Funnily enough, they started an "issues@" inbox where we can email our questions/concerns/complaints since we don't have an H.R. department. And I was thinking about writing in the need for an ombudsmen oversight type role (in addition to the need for raises).

Sounds like they are experts at putting surface-only procedures in place for feedback and development, without intending actually to follow through.

Start ups can be like that tho, priorities change and the small fry get forgotten.

It's not like working for a corporation...

If you have some savings, or they pay out staff when they leave- I'd book a nice two week vacation and come back ready to job seek.

It's never too late to get what you want how you want it.

30's are a great time to redirect.