Haruuka
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Do fame lead to depression?
yes for sagittarius energy
Posted by virgoOPPP
yes for sagittarius energy
Why?
Aren’t we the most famous sign, as we are ruled by Jupiter
Posted by jukey
That as well as the loss of privacy and the endless pursuit by vampires probably play a factor. Some are better equipped than others. Child actors can have it rough, especially when they're forced into the spotlight by parents who see their gold ticket.
I’m not kid, but I hate being famous, it’s not good
A lot of money,, yes, but it doesn’t make me feel like I’m real, or me ...anymore ):
Posted by Arielle83Posted by HaruukaPosted by Arielle83
So Lacanian
What is this?
Look up imaginary order, symbolic order and the real.
Jacques Lacan on ego and identity.click to expand
I will, thank you so much
I think celebrities start getting depressed when they are out of the lime light and their careers are done. If they have degrees and can move on to something else then they are ok. Or if they made a lot of money and invested it well, they are ok.
It’s the ones that have to get a regular job or have no skills and no money, that become depressed.
They are shamed about being recognized as a regular joe and people seeing them as regular and broke, like the rest of us.
It’s the ones that have to get a regular job or have no skills and no money, that become depressed.
They are shamed about being recognized as a regular joe and people seeing them as regular and broke, like the rest of us.
Posted by saggurl88
I think celebrities start getting depressed when they are out of the line light and their careers are done. If they have degrees and can move on to something else then they are ok. Or if they made a lot of money and invested it well, they are ok.
It’s the ones that have to get a regular job or have no skills and no money, that become depressed.
They are shamed about being recognized as a regular joe and people seeing them as regular and broke, like the rest of us.
What about famous who was so rich like Jim morrison
But still, he wasn’t happy about him being famous
You know?
Posted by HaruukaPosted by saggurl88
I think celebrities start getting depressed when they are out of the line light and their careers are done. If they have degrees and can move on to something else then they are ok. Or if they made a lot of money and invested it well, they are ok.
It’s the ones that have to get a regular job or have no skills and no money, that become depressed.
They are shamed about being recognized as a regular joe and people seeing them as regular and broke, like the rest of us.
What about famous who was so rich like Jim morrison
But still, he wasn’t happy about him being famous
You know?click to expand
Some people think money will create happiness. But when they have it they realize nothing changed.
Drepression is a chemical imbalance in the brain.
Celebrities doing tons of drugs mess up the natural release of endorphins in their brains. So when the drugs don’t work anymore, and your brain isn’t producing it like it should. Things get thrown off balance. -This is just one example. Other are born with the imbalance.
I don’t think they would ever truly be happy unless they were on a prescription cocktail that worked for them.
Posted by Arielle83Posted by saggurl88
I think celebrities start getting depressed when they are out of the line light and their careers are done. If they have degrees and can move on to something else then they are ok. Or if they made a lot of money and invested it well, they are ok.
It’s the ones that have to get a regular job or have no skills and no money, that become depressed.
They are shamed about being recognized as a regular joe and people seeing them as regular and broke, like the rest of us.
Imaginary order is their characters and ability to transform their identity to others.
Symbolic order is the material, the script, the movie, the costume.
The Real is the loss of both and ego stripped bare. When real identity forms.
I’m thinking Jim Carrey.click to expand
Was he depressed? I didn’t think he was. Just the women who killed herself over him.
Posted by saggurl88Posted by HaruukaPosted by saggurl88
I think celebrities start getting depressed when they are out of the line light and their careers are done. If they have degrees and can move on to something else then they are ok. Or if they made a lot of money and invested it well, they are ok.
It’s the ones that have to get a regular job or have no skills and no money, that become depressed.
They are shamed about being recognized as a regular joe and people seeing them as regular and broke, like the rest of us.
What about famous who was so rich like Jim morrison
But still, he wasn’t happy about him being famous
You know?
Some people think money will create happiness. But when they have it they realize nothing changed.
Drepression is a chemical imbalance in the brain.
Celebrities doing tons of drugs mess up the natural release of endorphins in their brains. So when the drugs don’t work anymore, and your brain isn’t producing it like it should. Things get thrown off balance. -This is just one example. Other are born with the imbalance.
I don’t think they would ever truly be happy unless they were on a prescription cocktail that worked for them.click to expand
Do you know what I think? That some people didn’t born to be famous
They just can’t handle it well, they can’t live in public, they need privacy to be be happy
Posted by JoanExotic
I think balance is the key to everything, and there doesn’t seem to be a ton of balance with that way of life. When normalcy is eradicated from your life like that it seems pretty normal to me that many in that situation would become depressed. All of a sudden you’d be questioning everything and everyone and maybe coming to terms with the fact that money doesn’t magically fix things or make you happier. It could potentially rattle a person for sure. However, it could be combatted for sure. I think many have to really work at keeping things balanced like it’s a full time job.
Yeah, because they work less, and earn more
I feel them.
Sometimes I wonder what is going with me, why am I not happy with all that money...fame. Love?
But then, I just realized that no one really the real person of me, they just know my face, my voice my words, and all that not me?
Yeah
Posted by LaPetiteEtoile
It don’t think it’s a matter of getting depressed necessarily.
I think a lot of performers use that as a way of channeling the negative energy or depression they already have.
Then when you get famous enough to have everything possible at your fingertips and that energy still isn’t resolved by money and popularity and access there can be a deep sense of despair of having it all but it feeling meaningless and then what else can you do with yourself at that point?
Yeah
When they talk with me, or send me messages, I don’t feel like they talk with me as human being, they see me as something else, like I’m robot or something, like the real of me is gone, it makes me feel very sad
Posted by Arielle83
I really like the actors that disappear.
Greta Garbo
I liked it when she said:” I just wanna left alone”
👍🏻
Posted by Haruuka
Like famous people start to think they are not real, or they are actually someone else.
What do you think?
no, fame is not related with depression, but there are shared factor between people who are famous that could lead to depression.
I have theorized many things for years about that phenomenon
but I'm not sure what you mean by "not real" or "someone else" is this related to Jung's persona somehow?.
if that's the case it could lead to many psychological problems, depression can be one of those, as generally everyone need this 'persona' (a kind of social mask) to conceal the true nature of our 'desires and dislikes', instead taking the collective ideals of what we should be, in the case of famous people this persona seems to takes a more vivid role, creating an excessive concern for what other people think, along the desire to fulfill these "ideals" they expect, teenager seems to go through a similar stage in their development, but Jung believed that becoming one with this
persona would end in a repressed individuality, 'unconscious to themselves and their inner realm'.
I believe this is the reason why many famous people wonder If other people likes them for who they "really" are.
Posted by EndlessPosted by Haruuka
Like famous people start to think they are not real, or they are actually someone else.
What do you think?
no, fame is not related with depression, but there are shared factor between people who are famous that could lead to depression.
I have theorized many things for years about that phenomenon
but I'm not sure what you mean by "not real" or "someone else" is this related to Jung's persona somehow?.
if that's the case it could lead to many psychological problems, depression can be one of those, as generally everyone need this 'persona' (a kind of social mask) to conceal the true nature of our 'desires and dislikes', instead taking the collective ideals of what we should be, in the case of famous people this persona seems to takes a more vivid role, creating an excessive concern for what other people think, along the desire to fulfill these "ideals" they expect, teenager seems to go through a similar stage in their development, but Jung believed that becoming one with this
persona would end in a repressed individuality, 'unconscious to themselves and their inner realm'.
I believe this is the reason why many famous people wonder If other people likes them for who they "really" are.click to expand
I read your words, more than once, I felt them, like I know what you really talk about it.
These things are real.
People see me as god, something not human, I have to talk in a different way, act in a different way, it’s not me, it’s something different.
Thank you
Posted by tiziani
Bret Hart - Hitman is the best book I’ve ever read on this. By far.
He was my fav... maybe still, so lovely
Over the years I've become famous and well known for my creativity.
When people come up to me and say "omg your famous." Its a mind trip.
I enjoy/love the spotlight BUT I don't take it home with me.
Theres got to be a balance.
How I look "on stage" is quite different from normal day. I look homeless most of the time.
I prefer to conceal and hide when I'm not on stage. Able to enjoy people ...normally.... without them wanting me to be "ON".
When people come up to me and say "omg your famous." Its a mind trip.
I enjoy/love the spotlight BUT I don't take it home with me.
Theres got to be a balance.
How I look "on stage" is quite different from normal day. I look homeless most of the time.
I prefer to conceal and hide when I'm not on stage. Able to enjoy people ...normally.... without them wanting me to be "ON".
Posted by peachy06
We often hear stories from celebrities who have/had it hard, I know they're still humans like all of us, but sometimes I have a hard time feeling sorry for them. I don't understand people who have everything and still find ways to complain. Yes life is hard, but when you earn 151150041515 dollars don't expect me to cry for you. Besides they chose this life, with fame comes all the good and bad.
Sometimes...fame is a way to survive
Posted by DMV
Over the years I've become famous and well known for my creativity.
When people come up to me and say "omg your famous." Its a mind trip.
I enjoy/love the spotlight BUT I don't take it home with me.
Theres got to be a balance.
How I look "on stage" is quite different from normal day. I look homeless most of the time.
I prefer to conceal and hide when I'm not on stage. Able to enjoy people ...normally.... without them wanting me to be "ON".
I like that
Fame is a broad term. The human history is filled with people who yearned to be famous for the wrong reasons. Then again - fame is not really a positive aspiration (after all - its core nature/meaning is derived from vanity). To quite a large extent - it's a sickness. Some chase fame for fame itself (to be famous for whatever reason - even something really stupid like "the Jackass TV series" - tho, that's a different time... since TV fame was kinda replaced by YouTube fame - where every idiot with a camera can become famous for acting retarded, for example - channels like Onision, PewDiePie, MrBeast and all the others alike). Others try to fill a personal void/lacking. And then there are those who chase fame for some gain (mainly financial). Either way - they're all sick to begin with. And yes - depression is a common outcome for fame addicts. Kinda like the saying "what goes UP must come down" - everyone who climbed the ladder of fame - reached a point where they had to face the fall (from success). And that's usually when depression starts knocking at their door. The fall from grace is hard for everyone - but it can be more impactful on someone who used to be famous (that point when they can't even compete with their former selves - while other artist keep rising further - beyond their reach). Maybe that's why vanity earned its well deserved place - as one of the deadly sins.
Posted by neves
Fame is a broad term. The human history is filled with people who yearned to be famous for the wrong reasons. Then again - fame is not really a positive aspiration (after all - its core nature/meaning is derived from vanity). To quite a large extent - it's a sickness. Some chase fame for fame itself (to be famous for whatever reason - even something really stupid like "the Jackass TV series" - tho, that's a different time... since TV fame was kinda replaced by YouTube fame - where every idiot with a camera can become famous for acting retarded, for example - channels like Onision, PewDiePie, MrBeast and all the others alike). Others try to fill a personal void/lacking. And then there are those who chase fame for some gain (mainly financial). Either way - they're all sick to begin with. And yes - depression is a common outcome for fame addicts. Kinda like the saying "what goes UP must come down" - everyone who climbed the ladder of fame - reached a point where they had to face the fall (from success). And that's usually when depression starts knocking at their door. The fall from grace is hard for everyone - but it can be more impactful on someone who used to be famous (that point when they can't even compete with their former selves - while other artist keep rising further - beyond their reach). Maybe that's why vanity earned its well deserved place - as one of the deadly sins.
Yeah, I totally understand what you’re saying.
But what about people who don’t like being famous, but they do anyway, cuz it’s part from their jobs... like they need this, to find what they want in life
But they still struggle when the fame life
Posted by sagaciouscorpPosted by HaruukaPosted by jukey
That as well as the loss of privacy and the endless pursuit by vampires probably play a factor. Some are better equipped than others. Child actors can have it rough, especially when they're forced into the spotlight by parents who see their gold ticket.
I’m not kid, but I hate being famous, it’s not good
A lot of money,, yes, but it doesn’t make me feel like I’m real, or me ...anymore ):
Ur famous?click to expand
If 1M followers mean fame, then yup
I admit that what keep me continue this road is money
Posted by HaruukaPosted by neves
Fame is a broad term. The human history is filled with people who yearned to be famous for the wrong reasons. Then again - fame is not really a positive aspiration (after all - its core nature/meaning is derived from vanity). To quite a large extent - it's a sickness. Some chase fame for fame itself (to be famous for whatever reason - even something really stupid like "the Jackass TV series" - tho, that's a different time... since TV fame was kinda replaced by YouTube fame - where every idiot with a camera can become famous for acting retarded, for example - channels like Onision, PewDiePie, MrBeast and all the others alike). Others try to fill a personal void/lacking. And then there are those who chase fame for some gain (mainly financial). Either way - they're all sick to begin with. And yes - depression is a common outcome for fame addicts. Kinda like the saying "what goes UP must come down" - everyone who climbed the ladder of fame - reached a point where they had to face the fall (from success). And that's usually when depression starts knocking at their door. The fall from grace is hard for everyone - but it can be more impactful on someone who used to be famous (that point when they can't even compete with their former selves - while other artist keep rising further - beyond their reach). Maybe that's why vanity earned its well deserved place - as one of the deadly sins.
Yeah, I totally understand what you’re saying.
But what about people who don’t like being famous, but they do anyway, cuz it’s part from their jobs... like they need this, to find what they want in life
But they still struggle when the fame lifeclick to expand
Sure, there is such thing as accidental fame or some achievement that comes with their line of work (Nobel prize winners - for example). Tho, struggles like depression are usually tied to vanity (failed expectations or being stuck in the past - in a time when they were somehow greater/better). If they don't embrace the fame and wallow in it (if it's all about the work they do - if that's what makes them happy - not the fame that comes with that) - they should be fine. As far as i know - most Nobel prize winners are not depressed, same goes for many successful athletes who reached the end of their career (some even chose to quit while they were ahead), or even artists who gave up on fame to focus more on their family life and such (tho, this are usually more rare - cause many artists are consumed by vanity).
To put it in a different way... there's all kinds of people that were gifted in one way or the other (physical beauty or some artistic talent) - and they might become successful cause of that. Let's say they're really private (introverts to a T) - and thus they find some aspects of their fame quite uncomfortable. Still, that level of discomfort is far from depression. If anything - is a source of annoyance - but it's something they can live with. Just fine.
Posted by nevesPosted by HaruukaPosted by neves
Fame is a broad term. The human history is filled with people who yearned to be famous for the wrong reasons. Then again - fame is not really a positive aspiration (after all - its core nature/meaning is derived from vanity). To quite a large extent - it's a sickness. Some chase fame for fame itself (to be famous for whatever reason - even something really stupid like "the Jackass TV series" - tho, that's a different time... since TV fame was kinda replaced by YouTube fame - where every idiot with a camera can become famous for acting retarded, for example - channels like Onision, PewDiePie, MrBeast and all the others alike). Others try to fill a personal void/lacking. And then there are those who chase fame for some gain (mainly financial). Either way - they're all sick to begin with. And yes - depression is a common outcome for fame addicts. Kinda like the saying "what goes UP must come down" - everyone who climbed the ladder of fame - reached a point where they had to face the fall (from success). And that's usually when depression starts knocking at their door. The fall from grace is hard for everyone - but it can be more impactful on someone who used to be famous (that point when they can't even compete with their former selves - while other artist keep rising further - beyond their reach). Maybe that's why vanity earned its well deserved place - as one of the deadly sins.
Yeah, I totally understand what you’re saying.
But what about people who don’t like being famous, but they do anyway, cuz it’s part from their jobs... like they need this, to find what they want in life
But they still struggle when the fame life
Sure, there is such thing as accidental fame or some achievement that comes with their line of work (Nobel prize winners - for example). Tho, struggles like depression are usually tied to vanity (failed expectations or being stuck in the past - in a time when they were somehow greater/better). If they don't embrace the fame and wallow in it (if it's all about the work they do - if that's what makes them happy - not the fame that comes with that) - they should be fine. As far as i know - most Nobel prize winners are not depressed, same goes for many successful athletes who reached the end of their career (some even chose to quit while they were ahead), or even artists who gave up on fame to focus more on their family life and such (tho, this are usually more rare - cause many artists are consumed by vanity).
To put it in a different way... there's all kinds of people that were gifted in one way or the other (physical beauty or some artistic talent) - and they might become successful cause of that. Let's say they're really private (introverts to a T) - and thus they find some aspects of their fame quite uncomfortable. Still, that level of discomfort is far from depression. If anything - is a source of annoyance - but it's something they can live with. Just fine.click to expand
Yeah, for me it’s all about privacy
At the first I kept everything very private, but some of the followers are really obsessed
I feel like kind I’m not me anymore, like I’m watching myself doing all the work, it becomes a work-a second one
I started it for fun, and just to share my daily days, I never planned for this
In the first I was happy and proud of myself, but now, I don’t know
I feel like Something missing, like this is not me
And allll that people wha want to talk with me, like I’m god, when in real, I’m normal woman, who just wanna live in peace
My sister told me:” this something you can’t quite from, now this is you” but I’m really not comfortable with it
The job shapes them. Everything they do think say is rapped up in that. It is there life rather then profession. If they are unlucky enough to be dependent on popularity and indulge that...they very well could develop a alter ego, to stay relevant. Then I imagine they lose themselves. Looking at you Britney Spears😋
Some of the best actors describe acting like putting on a mask over their true selves.
I personally think the best performances and at times most troubled actors find a part of themselves in the character then bring it to life though that.
Some of the best actors describe acting like putting on a mask over their true selves.
I personally think the best performances and at times most troubled actors find a part of themselves in the character then bring it to life though that.
Posted by Haruuka
I read your words, more than once, I felt them, like I know what you really talk about it.
These things are real.
People see me as god, something not human, I have to talk in a different way, act in a different way, it’s not me, it’s something different.
Thank you
well yes, is very real, and has been study in general terms for a long time, is just not so public, the fact that there's so much stigma related to mental illness probably don't help, funny, considering no one will ever blame you for using medication for a stomachache.
anyway, it wasn't not only researched by Jung (personal favorite) but has been related to other theories, like the true self/false self theory, or the alter ego theory, all related to masking.
even in astrology, the idea of the rising sign is related to that, not so how you perceive yourself (sun), but how you present to others (rising), if we believe these two signs can be averse to each other, then there could be a hint.
I like to think in something I noticed on many store clerks and customer service workers, many of my friends who worked in there used to take off the uniform immediately after work, why? because they were tired of answering questions, and it was true, if we were to walk around with them in uniform, some random person would ask them something related to work, even outside work hours, why they did it, for the uniform ofc, everyone assumed they could answer their question, in a way, that's social pressure, those workers are EXPECTED to answer and behave in a way, is not like they enjoy or anything, they just have to pretend they want to help you.
but people who are famous or popular don't get that privilege, they can't just take their uniform, they are expected to behave in a certain way, but these social pressures exist in most people, most children expect their parent to know answer to things, or what to do, people here arguing if doctors should work even in dangerous environment because they expect them to give at for their pattens, they get treated not like persons, but like a doctor, and so do 'consumers' 'workers' 'customers'.
what we need to do is fight for our individuality, like find and outlet where we can express or be ourselves as we see fit, at least that's what work best for me.
ofc you could try jungian therapy too, any psychotherapist should know better ways to help you integrate your individuality in a comfortable way, with step by step, in a way I couldn't advice.
Posted by HaruukaPosted by Arielle83
So Lacanian
What is this?click to expand
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/lacan/
Posted by HaruukaPosted by nevesPosted by HaruukaPosted by neves
Fame is a broad term. The human history is filled with people who yearned to be famous for the wrong reasons. Then again - fame is not really a positive aspiration (after all - its core nature/meaning is derived from vanity). To quite a large extent - it's a sickness. Some chase fame for fame itself (to be famous for whatever reason - even something really stupid like "the Jackass TV series" - tho, that's a different time... since TV fame was kinda replaced by YouTube fame - where every idiot with a camera can become famous for acting retarded, for example - channels like Onision, PewDiePie, MrBeast and all the others alike). Others try to fill a personal void/lacking. And then there are those who chase fame for some gain (mainly financial). Either way - they're all sick to begin with. And yes - depression is a common outcome for fame addicts. Kinda like the saying "what goes UP must come down" - everyone who climbed the ladder of fame - reached a point where they had to face the fall (from success). And that's usually when depression starts knocking at their door. The fall from grace is hard for everyone - but it can be more impactful on someone who used to be famous (that point when they can't even compete with their former selves - while other artist keep rising further - beyond their reach). Maybe that's why vanity earned its well deserved place - as one of the deadly sins.
Yeah, I totally understand what you’re saying.
But what about people who don’t like being famous, but they do anyway, cuz it’s part from their jobs... like they need this, to find what they want in life
But they still struggle when the fame life
Sure, there is such thing as accidental fame or some achievement that comes with their line of work (Nobel prize winners - for example). Tho, struggles like depression are usually tied to vanity (failed expectations or being stuck in the past - in a time when they were somehow greater/better). If they don't embrace the fame and wallow in it (if it's all about the work they do - if that's what makes them happy - not the fame that comes with that) - they should be fine. As far as i know - most Nobel prize winners are not depressed, same goes for many successful athletes who reached the end of their career (some even chose to quit while they were ahead), or even artists who gave up on fame to focus more on their family life and such (tho, this are usually more rare - cause many artists are consumed by vanity).
To put it in a different way... there's all kinds of people that were gifted in one way or the other (physical beauty or some artistic talent) - and they might become successful cause of that. Let's say they're really private (introverts to a T) - and thus they find some aspects of their fame quite uncomfortable. Still, that level of discomfort is far from depression. If anything - is a source of annoyance - but it's something they can live with. Just fine.
Yeah, for me it’s all about privacy
At the first I kept everything very private, but some of the followers are really obsessed
I feel like kind I’m not me anymore, like I’m watching myself doing all the work, it becomes a work-a second one
I started it for fun, and just to share my daily days, I never planned for this
In the first I was happy and proud of myself, but now, I don’t know
I feel like Something missing, like this is not me
And allll that people wha want to talk with me, like I’m god, when in real, I’m normal woman, who just wanna live in peace
My sister told me:” this something you can’t quite from, now this is you” but I’m really not comfortable with itclick to expand
Your internet persona is as real as you make it to be (depends how much of your time you invest in it). As for the way this personas are perceived by other people - that's clearly - just their imagination. For example, same as many others - you used to be a big fan of Jim Morrison. The way his music made you feel - paired with all the stuff you imagined about him - made him seem really special (like he was some deity among other men - or at least none could compare). And yet... that image of him you had in your head - was not really him. That was just the stuff he put out there - like 10% if not less (his music, his poetry + some videos and pictures of him) - the rest of 90% (who he really was in his daily life - not to mention how he really felt on the inside or his actual thoughts) - was private. Only the people really close him (in real life) - got a clearer image of that. His fans never really knew Jim Morrison - the real person... they knew only the guy they made him up to be (in their head). Same goes for most artists. Or even so called gurus and such...
Anyway, when it comes to internet fame - it proved to be quite unhealthy to take that image to seriously (as if it's the real self). Since that image is unnatural (it's not a real/natural part of yourself / it's an external image that's strictly tied to the internet - after all - if the internet goes down you're left with your real/natural self) - it can develop into all kinds of mental illnesses. Even the people who take selfies to often (on a daily basis) - end-up developing a modern mental illness: https://petapixel.com/2017/12/27/obsessively-taking-selfies-now-real-mental-disorder-called-selfitis/ “Typically, those with the condition suffer from a lack of self-confidence and are seeking to ‘fit in’ with those around them and may display symptoms similar to other potentially addictive behaviors...”
These folks were already that way before becoming famous. Some people handle their star status well.
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During this Pandemic, hate crimes against Asians have skyrocketed. It's a very interesting experience as an Asian that isn't Chinese. For example, non-Chinese Asians would go out of their way to say "HEY I'M NOT CHINESE! I'M KOREAN/JAP/Hong Kong/Taiwan
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Tag yourself and @Emhendo in this thread and she will add you to her mute list.
Hi it's DonJohnson. been a few years. anything change here?
What category do DXP users fall into?
Makes sure to crop out the twigs and peaches!
I’m trying to study something so the more bushes the better.
Like famous people start to think they are not real, or they are actually someone else
What do you think?