Duck Dynasty Debate (Page 2)

Posted by kraft
BTW fuck Duck Dynasty, all those guys look like they smell like stale piss.

I want an SF and seraph reality show...that would be so badass, SF flying to Russia to meet a bride, and we would be able to watch seraph try and police the web...and fail bad...real bad.

If American girls continue to make me crazy, then yes...

I will fly to my ancestors' Poland and start all over again.

🙂

And yes, smacking dickbreath around after he tries his militant homosexual shit would bring in a few ratings to be sure.

Posted by Quest4Water
100% agree-as in people do try to abuse the first amendment. The first amendment is there to protect the opposing or unpopular opinion, not to slander the 'other.'

It's clear that the Christian beliefs based on biblical teaching is in fact the unpopular opinion.

So sad.

The family prays at the end of every show. What gets me is they act surprised he expressed the views he did. Really?

Posted by Rabbit
And their time is almost up anyways.

When you get a Chia Pet made out of you...you've pretty much jumped the shark.

Go out with a bang!! lol!

I'm sure if A&E dumps them, another network will pick up the show in a heartbeat.

He violated the morality clause in his contract. Anytime you do that, the contract is no longer standing. The guy on the show got suspended for it. Uhhhhh YEAH what else was supposed to happen—!

If he didn't agree with the morality clause, he should've never signed it. But he did, so now he has to face the consequences that every/anybody else suffers when they violate their contracts. You don't actually have to sign your name on the dotted line, ya know!

Being a redneck & being prejudice towards homosexuals are 2 different things. They're not synonymous with one another.

If he offended half of his fan base, A&E was going to lose ratings anyway. He shouldn't get special treatment for violating his contract just b/c he's a celebrity. Those contracts are created for a reason & if you don't like it, don't sign it. Simple. If you feel it's necessary to explode with anti-gay remarks b/c you just can't hold it in, cool, but don't sign the F'ing contract!

Posted by Quest4Water
...how do you define which is more important, someone's sexuality vs someone's religious tenets.

As a member of the LGBT community, and also having been raised in a Roman Catholic home, I fail to see how or really even why one should prevail over the other. Maybe homosexual behavior is a sin, but to deny and repress who really are is to lie, which is obviously also a sin. When my time comes to answer for all the things I've done in this life I intend to do so with a clear conscious and a heart full of love.

Besides, if someone decides they don't like me based on what amounts to a rather arbitrary detail about my personal life that, quite frankly, isn't any of their fucking business, then that's their problem and not mine.

Posted by Quest4Water
Should or shouldn't A&E have banned Phil Robertson after making remarks about gays and sin.

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As an American I proudly uphold one's constitutional rights to freedom of speech and religious views, and also A&E's right as a company to say what they do and don't want to represent. They are in business to make money which creates jobs and helps to stimulate the *free* (cough) market, and that's the core of the issue. I would rather deal with a few people getting butthurt over some nonsensical BS than have a family go hungry. Period.

Per my opinions on such personal remarks...

The one who wouldn't use the constitution to clean up after he blows a load when the other choice was a sock. 😉

Before I post, I should issue the disclaimer that I don't necessarily agree with sentiments offered by the Duck-guy; however, he is entitled to his opinion, as well as his beliefs... just like the rest of us.

And this a good Op-ed piece on the matter:


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Duck Dynasty: The Show That Got Away

This is what happened. The whole idea of the show was to parade these nouveau riche Christian hillbillies around so that we could laugh at them. "Look at them," we were supposed to say.

"Look how backward they are! Look what they believe! Can you believe they really live this way and believe this stuff? See how they don't fit in? HAHAHA"

When the producers saw the way the show was shaping up, different than they envisioned it, they tried to change course. They tried to get the Robertson's to tone down their Christianity, but to their eternal credit they refused.

They tried to add fake cussin' to the show by inserting bleeps where no cussword was uttered. At best, they wanted to make the Robertson's look like crass buffoons. At worst they wanted them to look like hypocrites.

They desperately wanted us to laugh at the Robertsons. Instead, we loved them.

A&E wanted us to point fingers at them and laugh at them. But something else happened entirely. Millions upon millions of people tuned in, not to laugh at them, but to laugh with them....

By the time this all happened, A&E had a conundrum. They knew who the Robertsons were and what they believe and they still held it in disdain. But they really liked the money.

Really liked the money. So they lived with it.

But the progressives whose bank accounts were not growing fatter because of these backward rubes were never inclined to look the other way. They hate the show and they really hate the response to the show. They want it destroyed.

Many magazines and interviewers have tried to get the Robertsons to trip up so they could pounce. When Phil backed the Christian viewpoint on homosexuality and added some personal asides about how he just couldn't understand it, they had their moment...

I suspect that the Robertsons are more principled than that and A&E will end up disappointed on many levels. The Roberstons are who they are and I suspect the money means a great deal more to A&E than it does to them.

It will be interesting to see whether A&E likes the money more than they hate the Christianity.

I wouldn't be surprised if the hate wins.

I am sooooooo ready to play Cowboys and Democrats.

Bring that shit on tomorrow morning.

Posted by CluelessCancer
SF so passionate yet so dumb. Seriously this is all made up controversy. There is no vs. Just the 1% and us.

But (literally) five minutes ago:

Posted by CluelessCancer
Stop protecting stupid white people.

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Your hypocrisy knows NO bounds.

It's likely that the family will ban together and ditch A&E if they don't lighten up on Phil. The good part, another station will snap them up and even if they don't, they're still self-made millionaires.

In the end, I don't feel any way about gay people or christians. I have a live and let live policy that guides my beliefs. Interestingly, that same policy is what made this issue interesting to me. I don't like the idea of thought police, and I don't think Phil was actually disrespectful in stating his belief in the bible/scriptures. I know others view that a different way, but I don't wanna see christians silenced anymore than I want to see gays silenced. Grow a thicker skin and quit whining about being 'offended.' This applies to everyone.

Posted by Quest4Water
It's likely that the family will ban together and ditch A&E if they don't lighten up on Phil. The good part, another station will snap them up and even if they don't, they're still self-made millionaires.

In the end, I don't feel any way about gay people or christians. I have a live and let live policy that guides my beliefs. Interestingly, that same policy is what made this issue interesting to me. I don't like the idea of thought police, and I don't think Phil was actually disrespectful in stating his belief in the bible/scriptures. I know others view that a different way,

but I don't wanna see christians silenced anymore than I want to see gays silenced....

That ^ is a good way of putting it.

I believe that if you "silence" one group, you're only paving the way for the gov't to legally silence you/your own group, another time.

Thinking it will 'never happen' is ridiculous.


As for A&E-- it applies there, as well.

It's alarming when folks want to allow the gov't to "force" private businesses to bend to their will.

A&E can do what they want-- that isn't a bad thing.

I imagine the money will do most of the talking, though.

His rights were never violated ... so I don't see what all this fuss is about.

He sat there in front of the camera, and voiced his opinion .. nobody came running in with handcuffs, ready to arrest him, telling him he wasn't allowed to do that.


Any and all people, I don't care who the fuck you think you are ... you have the obligation to uphold the integrity of the company you work for, and if you don't, then they have a right to fire you.


Quite Frankly, I'm surprised that people work for employers and don't realize that you have to conform to their wishes.

If you worked for 7-Eleven and told a person with a tattoo that you hate tattoos ... your boss could fire you on the spot if he wanted to. And no rights have been violated.


has anyone in here actually read the Bill of Rights?

The 1st amendment doesn't guarantee that you'll HAVE or KEEP a job. It just guarantees that you won't be throw in jail. HUGE difference.

Employers don't allow you to wear certain clothing to work. You can't wear a shirt that says "I LOVE COCAIN" or "F***CK DUMB PEOPLE" b/c it's not appropriate & goes against the grain of what your particular employer believes in. Are you in the human resources department complaining that you can't wear those kinds of shirts? You can't get on Facebook & talk about hating or killing the president, but why not?! It's freedom of speech/expression right? WRONG

Again, the 1st amendment just keeps you out of jail for voicing/expressing your opinion. It doesn't keep you in your job.

A company has just as much right to not employ people whose freedom of expression/opinion offends or pushes away their main profit audience. There is nothing illegal about that.

The law has many modifications in it. These companies have these rules & are able to create these morality contracts for their employees b/c they ALSO have rights too.

Posted by P-Angel

Quite Frankly, I'm surprised that people work for employers and don't realize that you have to conform to their wishes.

If you worked for 7-Eleven and told a person with a tattoo that you hate tattoos ... your boss could fire you on the spot if he wanted to. And no rights have been violated.

^^Agreed. However I find this ironic (in bold):

"Kermit Roosevelt, a constitutional law professor at the University of Pennsylvania Law School, said the issue is not actually a First Amendment violation.

—The First Amendment, like the constitution generally, only applies to the government, so if the government stops someone from talking or punishes them, that's a First Amendment issue. If a private person says I won't hire you or let you be on TV anymore, that's not,?? Roosevelt said.

Roosevelt also pointed out that the U.S. has anti-discrimination laws that bar a company from firing someone for their race or religion, but allow it to fire someone if they have opinions the company doesn't like.

So the government will slap a business/company silly for firing someone for their race or religion, but says if they have an opinion go ahead and fire them if you don't like their opinion.

meh...my beef in this thread are those who were quick to call the guy a homophobe. Clearly they didn't look that definition up either. I had to provide it. Someone mentioned this could be a publicity stunt. The more I read the more it's evident that it is. Because now A&E is calling it a
"hiatus" vs. suspension. Regardless, what this man expressed was his belief and his opinion. There was NO intent to harm at all.

The whole family should boycott that show. If A&E is this backward and intolerant, they shouldn't be allowed to make money off the family's popularity.

Posted by krysrenee7
The law has many modifications in it. These companies have these rules & are able to create these morality contracts for their employees b/c they ALSO have rights too.

Ironically the company with "morality" contracts are the liberals with money who are forever trying to change the laws.😢 No worries..2016 it's all going to change. (again)

Well, it looks like this whole ordeal is a decided victory for normal, heterosexual people everywhere.

Sorry, queerbait types. Looks like you lose this time.

Go peddle your mental illness elsewhere.