four pillars of destiny

http://www.feng-shui-institute.org/Chinese_Astrology/free4pillars.html<BR>

it's hard to find info or interpretations on one's chart written in English lol
I usually read stuff about this topic in other languages than English..so I've somewhat limited knowledge

though as that limited knowledge of mine extends, the day pillar is the most important one

I'm —— which has double yang's...it's the fire of the sun..very bright and flaring..said that a person with this disposition is very quick to be angered but then also quick to forgive and forget...which I believe, quite correct in my case lol

is there anyone interested in this four pillars of destiny?
or knows any good source sites...written in English? 🙂


do you know what your type is?

There are ten basic types:

_metal based_
1.??_—
2.?_—

_water based_
1.??

I also wonder if this chinese/japanese/korean astrology system has some convergence with the western astrology 🙂

Posted by scribble
Not sure what this means at all:

I don't know why, but I cannot read charts from the site :/
I usually use another site for four pillar calculations..but it's not in English..
so I looked up for English one on Google, and this one I stumbled on..but...
the chart is not familiar to me from which I usually see..

however...from what I can read..

you're a metal based type.. ?_—
which is metal of...small, bright things.. like jewels.. diamonds..
different from the other metal based type ??_—...which is pristine and hard type of metal..which is not polished or processed
you're sharp and bright like diamonds... small yet brilliant... attract people like diamonds do

have a sensitive nature.. meticulous in tasks

?_—??_? —__—??
——_??_ ?_—??_—
??_??__— ??_——?
———?? ??'——??


you go well with water based and fire based (but not —— which is double-yang...—— is the fire of the sun..and you jewels absorb the fire of the sun and you radiance more...so —— is afraid of you, losing their identity next to you)

it's like —— is the king..their sun-like fire burn woods down, dry up water, melt hard metal(??_—) and bring drought on earth..yet you ?_— is not afraid of expressing your thought in front of ——..while others being sycophants, you will not
you're okay with other fire type ——, though, since they are the light of candles, lamps, &. they will warm you when you get cold...and they're also the fire of blacksmith..you meet them and you become something different, other than yourself

you are good with water, because when ?_— meets water, it's become washed...thus more sophisticated & tempered
when you meet earth, though, you're covered with it..covered with mud..so you avoid them

?_— is known to be logical, smart, neat and also cautious in their conducts..
on the other hand, they're known to be too proud, don't yield at all and quick tempered

your psychological structures are:
competition and a fighting spirit

but they're internal, so they won't show outwardly..but you know they're there, inside, and thus you will observe
..you're a competitive subject/or subjectivity

the competition you have is not about one against yourself...but against others..thus it's a relati

but against others..thus it's a relative competition
you're different from your other metal based brother in this sense..your metal sibling is the opposite of relativism

if this nature of yours appears in a masculine way it will be competitiveness
if in a feminine way it will be jealousy



..okay, this is my limited knowledge on your type 🙂
sorry if it's hard to follow..English is not my mother tongue and it's hard to express some concepts which probably do not exist in English

also the last paragraph...I think it's gender biased lol
but then this field of study has its roots in ancient era..where gender inequality didn't receive much or even any consideration..
I'd like to find a way to rephrase the sentences in the last paragraph, though 🙂


also this is very basic stuff..like just looking at one's sun sign in western astrology..
there is more in depth reading..which is not what I know much unfortunately..

Posted by scribble
Oh and what would

——
——

be in English? I can only read fire on those 😛

I just looked for it lol
and google search says..

——..Bing fire
——..Ding fire

Posted by andsssssss
Xin Metal is represented by fine jewellery, small knives, diamonds and glittering gold. Think Cartier, Bulgari and Swiss Army knife and you're not far off. Xin Metal people are inherently talkative and attention seeking. Wallflower is the consummate opposite of the Xin Metal person - indeed, if you're dating a quiet Xin Metal, then something's wrong with them! All Xin Metal's exhibit some measure of vanity, be it intellectual,or physical. The Xin Metal person is always thinking and their mind needs constant stimulation and occupation. They come in-born with a superiority complex, and can be quite bourgeois in their ways, loving the fine things in life.

The Xin metal man is the consummate vainpot - indeed, many Xin Metal men are often accidentally assumed to be gay, because they tend to exhibit metrosexual tendencies. They are fussy about small things, typically have lots of opinions, can be petty, are highly animated, and are talkative. They also love being the center of attention. If you are dating a Xin Metal man, make sure you have a his and hers closet and separate mirror, or his and hers bookshelves for Xin Metal men are either physically vain or intellectually vain. Nuances, subtlety and good taste are extremely important to the Xin Metal man, and they loath ostentatiousness and vulgarity of any sort. This doesn't mean they are puritanical - it just means whilst everyone else does bawdy, they do sexyback. The Xin Metal man likes to be intellectually challenged and they like nothing more than a good debate. So the silent type of woman really doesn't work with a Xin Metal man, who can talk the hind legs of a donkey. But remember at the end of the day, Mr Xin Metal hates to be wrong. So challenge, excite and debate with him, but always make him feel like he comes out tops.

ooohhhhh thank you for good source! 🙂

this xin metal man..the description..resonates lots with that of my brother lol..he's a xin metal guy
I think he's definitely vain..especially when it comes to his looks...
I don't know if my brother loves debates... we hardly speak each other properly.. not that we are on bad terms..but..we are quite different it seems.. 🙂
maybe it's because he's a xin metal-pisces whilst I am a bing fire-gem...probably not a good match in both chinese or western astrology lol

however, I do care for him...he's quite sweet..I may say somewhat a

Posted by andsssssss
Xin Metal is represented by fine jewellery, small knives, diamonds and glittering gold. Think Cartier, Bulgari and Swiss Army knife and you're not far off. Xin Metal people are inherently talkative and attention seeking. Wallflower is the consummate opposite of the Xin Metal person - indeed, if you're dating a quiet Xin Metal, then something's wrong with them! All Xin Metal's exhibit some measure of vanity, be it intellectual,or physical. The Xin Metal person is always thinking and their mind needs constant stimulation and occupation. They come in-born with a superiority complex, and can be quite bourgeois in their ways, loving the fine things in life.

The Xin metal man is the consummate vainpot - indeed, many Xin Metal men are often accidentally assumed to be gay, because they tend to exhibit metrosexual tendencies. They are fussy about small things, typically have lots of opinions, can be petty, are highly animated, and are talkative. They also love being the center of attention. If you are dating a Xin Metal man, make sure you have a his and hers closet and separate mirror, or his and hers bookshelves for Xin Metal men are either physically vain or intellectually vain. Nuances, subtlety and good taste are extremely important to the Xin Metal man, and they loath ostentatiousness and vulgarity of any sort. This doesn't mean they are puritanical - it just means whilst everyone else does bawdy, they do sexyback. The Xin Metal man likes to be intellectually challenged and they like nothing more than a good debate. So the silent type of woman really doesn't work with a Xin Metal man, who can talk the hind legs of a donkey. But remember at the end of the day, Mr Xin Metal hates to be wrong. So challenge, excite and debate with him, but always make him feel like he comes out tops.

softie.. he says hurtful things but I forgive him easily, because I know he has a warm heart in the end.. 🙂

are you a xin metal man by the way? since you posted up the description.. just curious

So what does it mean to have empty spaces in some categories like I do? How would it affect a person? Or does it not make any difference?

Okay, thanks for clarifying. I looked hidden stems up afterwards and yes it just seems like some of the 12 zodiac naturally lack 'hidden stems'. That makes a tad bit more sense. Man, this stuff is really confusing if you don't know where to begin.

One more question to clarify. So, the heavenly stem, which is the first row and listed above the zodiac signs, changes....every year? And once you know the zodiac animal for each column, everything else in that column is always the same for each animal? So for my first column, the snake [si] will always be followed up with fire [bing], earth [wu], and metal [geng]?

Oh, duh. I'm very good at forgetting important details when I'm trying to learn things. Thanks!

Posted by scribble
Not sure what this means at all:

?_??_
?_? - metal
??_ - fire

?_? is a lonely autumn..and this meets ??_, a snake, which raises lots of things..thus one has to be diligent and industrius

If there is —(ox) and ??(sheep), one tends to be very nervous thus it's possible that this person may have some mental illnesses..
if there is —🐶, this person may have weak kidneys and a bladder, so watch these organs..it's also possible that this person may suffer from a stomach cancer..
if the person is a female, then this person may have uterine problems...also one in much interested in sex..however, if there is ——(pig-water) this tendency is less visible..

one leaves their parents at the early age and must succeed by themselves, lonely..however, things will improve with time and one has a good luck finding a romantinc partner

if — and ??

Posted by scribble
Not sure what this means at all:

- vainful ... self-conscious ... likes to be the center of attention ... show offs ... leads an extravagant life style
- good with words ... sometimes they're not followed by responsibilities
- one needs to remember to be optimistic and carefree in order to succeed in life


one tends to hide their secrets whilst pries into somebody else's secrets.. this sometimes is shown in a form of putting oneself under the spotlight ... one likes to be the center of the attention
..thus recommendable jobs for this person are:
running luxurious boutiques..jewellery shop..
hotel management.. or work in leisure industry

this person has a procilivity to be depressed and very neurotic, thus it's recommended s/he interact with lots of people and be positive/optimistic

ideal partners:
for man - women born under the day of ??

Posted by scribble
Not sure what this means at all:

so I managed to find some more info about your type.. your type is xin metal...and under that pillar you have a snake.. thus you are a xin-si


the source I extracted your type description from somehow focuses on each type's negative features than positive ones..guess it's probably to give a caution to one who views it 🙂

about bing fire..


bing fire

bing fire's basic form is —— which is the strongest and the most violent of all other ten basic forms(——).. this cannot be controlled.

according to an ancient book, bing fire is said to be the sun...which fits to the description of the scorching hot summer..

bing fire is a light..it is direct and does not know to bend..it only goes straight, directly..it does not accept nor does it mind.. bing fire willingly accepts what one wants, but if not then bing fire could appear as a tyrannical oppression..this could be said 'sweltering heat waves'..which no one can oppose or confront

bing fire does not know what fear is..one only pushes forward, follows through one's principles..or it's rather like an explosion
rationality is lacked in bing fire, thus one always expresses or shows one's feelings directly, without any disguise

this determined and firm bing fire, though, can show a boundless mercy..imagine a tiger or tigress which tends their cubs..sometimes bing fire does not even care what comes to one when they tend and care someone weaker than themselves..it's a fit description that bing fire fights fiercely against the strong but becomes tender towards the weak

bing fire is double yang's...which can be its own undoing in other sense..bing fire is afraid of something which does not fears its fierceness...i.e., something that absorbs the fierceness and its light and fire...so bing fire avoids that something..thus bing fire strives and struggles more to achieve to spread its light and fire..it resembles a dragon (in far east asian culture, dragons are considered benevolent creatures, bringing luck to people..opposed to those of from western culture and myth) which reaches atop and now tries one's best not to sink down from the summit of the sky

bing fire is a light thus it's very fast..according to a physicist, it runs 300000km per sec...thus bing fire is the most impatient of the ten basic forms..one of the ten forms, ??_??, is also fast, however, this goes forward only, like a rocket..although, bing fire's energy spreads like that of the sun..actiniform..goes every directions.. when this appears in a person, it's understood that said person is hot temepered..

Posted by andsssssss
what can u say of mine?

yours is xin metal-ox..

below is from the same source which I used for the other type (scribble's)

and as I wrote in the prev post, this source seems to focus on negatives of each type.. (mine is terrible, too lol)
so bear that in mind.. I guess the source is trying to warn us by highlighting negatives more than positives.. 🙂

?_—
?_? - metal (yin)
— - ox


This is a combination of a sharp bladed sword and moisty yet full of yang-ox..this indicates one who is born under this day will be under the shadows of farewell, sorrow and betrayal..
the ox's disposition is cold and dark and damp..if fire lacks in one's chart then the person is likely to suffer from illnesses related to the heart and small intestines..also prone to have low blood pressure...if this person is a female, then she is prone to have a miscarriage, or have an uterine myoma, or have leukorrhea
if there are ?? or — in one's chart, this person is likely to have genital diseases, also due to the one's sensitive nature, this person is likely to suffer stomach troubles..
if one have both ?? and —, then it implies that this person will likely have kidney problems or bladder troubles..along with lungs and colons..physical health is not found often in this type..
if there is one or two ?? with lots of —??.. beware of troubles with lungs and colons..with lots of —??, troubles with the spleen and the stomach

one seek for nirvana..however is fraught with worries.. one is too much inquisitive about other people's private matters & secrets...this may incur unnecessary suspicions and misput assumptions about others...thus the one may be careworn..
one is also cunning..tries to take an advantage of others by using one's guile
however, beware..try not to get involved in too many things...because it may only bring damages and loss to the one
be smart with one's money..this person sometimes splurges one's money on useless things

one has a critical mind..so try to cultivate this and benefit from this..one will excel in academia..or has a potential to be a great artist..or a writer..with fame
always checke oneself in, then a bright, glorious life is all yours to have

one who is born under the day of xin metal-ox is:
-courageous
-takes loyalty, justice, friendship seriously
-determined
-also relentless
-sometimes too stubborn
-one should try to treat others, especially those are under your position at work, fairly & kindly
-does as one pleases .. causes loneliness .. a loner against one's will
-sensitive
-stingy with one's money (most of the time) .. however, squanders at times without being aware of
-does not like to lose to others in a competition
-seeks for inner peace & nirvana
-likes to start lots of things at once
-sharp, keen, acute .. cold
-both men and women of this type has gentleman-like / lady-like looks .. a natural dandy .. a tidy person .. does not like messiness nor messy people .. thus partners' looks are important to this person

??_?_??__— ??_——?_?
make a big thing out of & by accumulating small things
..which can be related to one's career .. if this person pursues academies.. there will be a good future

the ox element of this type symbolizes a white calf sucking on its mother's breasts milk..thus this person is endowed with sufficient materials to sustain one's life (food, clothing, and shelter that is) .. however, this may deter one's development in independency .. so one is advised to take a caution here

this person is talented, however, tries to pry into other people's private matters unnecessarily .. which may cause hardships in relationships in general

a male of this type might have troubles in his marriage..due to his wife.. despite of the fact that two people care about each other deeply .. this is because, it's hard for the two trust each other .. in the worst case, this may result in divorce

good career choices:
-public official, scholar, neurologist, architectural designer/planner, occupations that require precision workmanship

this person may not have a good relation to their own children .. thus it's advised to live apart once the children are grown up to adults

one is smart..however, needs to try to be more open-minded

this person may have following things in thier life, so should watch out for them:
-pessimistic view of life, drug addiction / surgeries

male:
-wise & smart
-although, needs to be more generous
-precise & detailed in their work
-reliable
-sensitive
-has a tendency to have a religion

female:
-smart
-with good looks
-however, luckless
-depedent
-needs to learn to be generous

Posted by andsssssss
thanks BTW!

my pleasure 🙂

I'm happy to learn about other types than my own..by posting this info for others lol