He Got Me Drunk...

Hey all. I found this article on the internet and found it very interesting. I know this will come as a surprise, but I dont have an opinion yet on this particular controversial topic as it is still being formed. Would love to hear you guys feedback on this. Just remember, keep the fights clean and the sex dirty 😉


He Got Me Drunk

by Marc Rudov


"He got me drunk." How many times have you heard this laughable nonsense from childish women?

Cops and judges hear it all the time but, to avoid being labeled misogynists, quickly punish the —guilty?? men. The definition of female adult — one responsible for her own behavior, including alcoholic consumption — somehow doesn't apply in matters of sex and romance with men.

Let's get real: A man cannot get a woman drunk! That's her deal — achieved by opening her mouth, repeatedly filling it with booze, and eventually passing out. Intoxication is a choice.

Unfortunately, a girl blaming a guy for her choice to have sex while self-impaired is an all-too-common and acceptable practice, especially on the college campus. At Duke University, home of the infamous Lacrosse Player Rape Scandal, a girl can file a sexual-misconduct complaint up to two years after any —incident.??

So, if your son is beginning or continuing his tenure at a university this Labor Day week, the likelihood he??ll be falsely accused of rape is greater than when I wrote —Is Your Son Safe at College— in 2007. You must be aware and make him aware.

Inebriated Girls in Action

The men-are-bad climate in our country, which unconstitutionally presumes females innocent and males guilty in rape matters, has reached a dangerous peak: girls are drinking more than ever.

Here's the cycle: Girls consume ever-greater quantities of alcohol, behave increasingly irresponsibly, and then shirk accountability for their drunken sex — with impunity — by blaming men.

Let's watch inebriated girls in action. Because binge drinking has become such a serious problem, Momlogic.com followed freshman femmes to observe their partying habits. CLICK on Jacqueline below. Where are the men —getting?? these girls drunk?

http://www.momlogic.com/videos/?autopla ??_ 0e6cd& isShareURL=true

Pretty shocking, huh? Get over it. It's universal. The girls of CollegeCandy.com encourage their sisters around the nation to binge, pee, binge some more, and brag about it. By the way, the same insanity is occurri

in the uk. Not to worry. If our plastered princess should find herself coitally engaged with a man, it's not her fault — it's his. He is responsible for her sexual decisions, behavior, and safety. She's a child, after all, and that's why it's unlawful for a man to bed a woman who??s drunk and too impaired to give consent — even if she initiates the sex. Don't you love feminism!


Peterina Pans

Our society refuses to treat women as adults. We coddle them and don't want them to grow up. But, the feeling is mutual: these —Peterina Pans?? enjoy being little girls — otherwise, they??d protest the coddling, wouldn't they?

Every man is at a precarious disadvantage. Who is the arbiter of a woman??s sobriety? Must he carry a pocket breathalyzer? Does she have a red LED implanted in her forehead to indicate intoxication? If she is too drunk to know she's drunk, how can she be a credible witness after accusing him of rape?

Women have complete latitude to decide — before, during, and after alcoholic sex — a man??s innocence or guilt. It all depends on how she —feels?? about the incident, and about him. Her —interpretation?? of events is key. In fact, she can claim intoxication with an alcohol level of zero. Who can dispute her? Her word is gospel — and that's the way the male legislators who wrote these misandrist laws want it.

The NoNonsense Bottom Line

If a woman is responsible for her alcoholic consumption when she climbs behind the wheel of a car, why is she not equally responsible for her alcoholic consumption when she climbs atop a man? Seems logical, right? Well, name one politician, judge, chief of police, or woman who agrees.

As long as America tolerates Peterina Pan Syndrome, and I believe it always will, men will be responsible for the sexual decisions, behaviors, and safety of drunk women. If men don't want it this way, they??ll lobby to change it. If women don't want it this way, they??ll lobby to change it — and stop saying, He got me drunk.

The misandrist laws will change when Hell freezes over, so, in the interim, operate with street-smarts: If you don't trust her sober, don't trust her at all. Know her between the ears before joining her between the sheets.

I am fucked I neer bed a sober one

Ok I need the chill pill? Did you not read the beginning of my post? This article is not written by me. As I have said at the beginning, my opinion is on the fence at the moment.

I can see both sides of the situation. Personally, I dont hook up with drunk girls. And I have had more than my fair share of opportunities. It could be just an ego thing, but I feel more comfortable with a woman wanting to have sex with me sober.

Obviously, anytime a woman says no and she's drunk, men should not take things any further.

But I've also seen women who were doing heavy flirting with men at parties sober. Then as their drinking increased, got more aggressive. In some situations, I think women do "Defensive Drinking" (ex: have a few drinks to give themselves permission to act on natural urges; to backwards rationalize *her own* choices; to effectively "blame it on the alcohol."

"Defensive drinking" rationalizes the hookup, while still rightfully admitting that any level of intoxication is *her own* choice. Plenty of women can and do drink while accepting their own responsibility.

Now I really dont care for the obvious misogynistic language Rudov uses to put across his opinion. But some of the points he makes are worth considering. For example, the courts do make no distinction. As he says "It all depends on how she 'feels' about the incident, and about him.... In fact, she can claim intoxication with an alcohol level of zero."

I mean I've seen women that were already drinking before they met their one night stands. Than after hooking up either out of fear for her social reputation, or not wanting to assume responsibility for cheating on their bf/husbands, use the "he got me drunk" excuse.

I will say this to the other men on the board who currently and want to maintain living the single life. You should have a heightened awareness of these matters when entering these types of social situations.

Or basically this alternative when meeting women in the nightlife/party scenario.

1) Tease/playfully challenge her about being drunk
2) Get her number and leave on a high note
3) Hook up when you are both sober

Or ignore all that and meet women in places like Whole Foods which is what I do. 😉

i think ya'll took the posting of the article completly wrong, it was meant as infroming ya'll but yet Flying is getiing rediculed for bullshit reasons when he/she was just simply pasting an article

dxp has gotten real sensitive, alot of people are taking and assuming things as personal on here now

Posted by brynmor

Posted by Pride of 0ctober
i think ya'll took the posting of the article completly wrong, it was meant as infroming ya'll but yet Flying is getiing rediculed for bullshit reasons when he/she was just simply pasting an article

dxp has gotten real sensitive, alot of people are taking and assuming things as personal on here now

that wuz quite the serious post thar serious person. >😐

unserious people do not make serious posts!

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lol i like you, u hard to argue wit, opionated but hard to argue wit





at the moment

but still i feel like ppl should be able to post things withouthaving stones thrown at them but its just the way ppl are i guess

u makin trhis more diffuclt than it really is dont take my words to heart

First, thank you Pride of October for getting my intention of this thread from the beginning. You, FiestyAqua, and Brynmor understand the point of this thread is not for dissension, but for honest discussion and feedback.

Which SB and Jade seem not to believe.


SB, just because I wrote a response on a thread that I made like a month ago, does not mean I'm complaining about women all the time.


2nd Jade, this isn't just an astrology website. There are many categories such as music, politics, and news. If this was a social setting/gathering I would be in complete agreement with you. I dont bring into conversation things that would cause some serious dramatic arguments. I'm all about having sh-ts and giggles too. (I consider it a personal achievement to have as many friendships with republicans, considering that my personal views veer toward the left.)

But this is a message board. Debates, and disagreements are the norm here, look at the politics board, news board for instance. As long as there is no threads made directly for personal attacks towards posters, I dont see the problem.

As far as posting threads of a similar "theme" in your words, isnt that a bit of a contradiction? Considering that a lot of posters here put similar things, concerning "How can I get my libra/cap/scorp/with whatev" or "My Girlfriend/Boyfriend Sucks" Don't misunderstand that's no criticism of them at all . But if you're going to take that opinion on the matter, let's at least be fair and balanced as the Head Channel of Lucifer says.

But in all seriousness, i just came across the article last night while surfing the net after my response in the other post. It was coincidental.

As far as indirectly propagating "negativity" from those types, that is going to happen regardless of me. I get what you're saying Jade and it is good intentioned. But let's also keep in mind the old adage "if you dont like it, then dont read it"

Anyway, back to the debates. There better not be tomatoes in anyone's pockets or you'll be disqualfied. 🙂

Mannnnnn why is everything turning into a fight around here lately?

I fully blame you, BurriTOES. 😛

BTW I thought the article was ridiculous.


& they wonder why females travel in packs...

And that type of thing happens all too frequently! Can a woman take advantage of a man that way? absolutely! But, does it happen frequently? Absolutely not!

And let's not forget to bring into this discussion the girl who is "passed out" and is taken advantage of - this happens all too often as well. And maybe the guy does "ask" and she mumbles something that may in fact be a "yes" but she is not even coherent and doesn't even realize what happened or is happening until she comes to (which may be in the middle of the act)... that too is definitely rape. This example, however, is much less likely to happen to a man as it is unlikely the woman will even be able to get it up if the guy is passed out drunk!

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Posted by FeistyAquarian
I guess men will not understand the predicament here. WHEN YOU ARE DRINKING, YOU DO NOT MAKE GOOD CHOICES. I have done some things while intoxicated that I would never in a million years do sober. And I didn't remember the things, people told me about it. Have you ever been drunk before?? I'm thinking you haven't...

um, im not dense, as i know that before you are drunk you are sober. they had the choice to drink.

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Ah, but different variables factor in to how you respond to the drink you are drinking. And this is not always food, mood/adrenaline can have something to do with it as well, not to mention drugs put in your drink as has been mentioned, or drugs you may be doing in addition to drinking. That being said, how it manifests itself on one occasion is not necessarily the same as on another occasion even given very similar variables.

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Posted by lildol
And that type of thing happens all too frequently! Can a woman take advantage of a man that way? absolutely! But, does it happen frequently? Absolutely not!

And let's not forget to bring into this discussion the girl who is "passed out" and is taken advantage of - this happens all too often as well. And maybe the guy does "ask" and she mumbles something that may in fact be a "yes" but she is not even coherent and doesn't even realize what happened or is happening until she comes to (which may be in the middle of the act)... that too is definitely rape. This example, however, is much less likely to happen to a man as it is unlikely the woman will even be able to get it up if the guy is passed out drunk!

^^^^Ewwwww, lildoll *has flashbacks of the movie "KIDS"*....bad vibes, bad feelings, go takes a shower...

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Not sure about the movie... but if it is regarding the man not being able to get it up passed out - 4 yrs experience with an alcoholic BF who couldn't get it up if still coherent 'cause of the alcohol!

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Posted by FeistyAquarian
I guess men will not understand the predicament here. WHEN YOU ARE DRINKING, YOU DO NOT MAKE GOOD CHOICES. I have done some things while intoxicated that I would never in a million years do sober. And I didn't remember the things, people told me about it. Have you ever been drunk before?? I'm thinking you haven't...

um, im not dense, as i know that before you are drunk you are sober. they had the choice to drink.

Ah, but different variables factor in to how you respond to the drink you are drinking. And this is not always food, mood/adrenaline can have something to do with it as well, not to mention drugs put in your drink as has been mentioned, or drugs you may be doing in addition to drinking. That being said, how it manifests itself on one occasion is not necessarily the same as on another occasion even given very similar variables.

of course, but that isn't the same situation described from the op.

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But are the more common situations, and people use the argument posted in the original op as a reason for not having protections in place for the more common scenarios. Granted, fabrications occur, but they do with regards to home burglaries or fires as well and are not the norm.

Dom, relax, you're only 19, open your mind to what women have to go through and NO it is not all their fault! It's all too often that the victim is re-victimized and this is why rape is so unreported - i.e., because of individuals with perceptions like yours!

Dominoseeessss
Why are you being so obnoxious lately?


I would like you get you drunk, actually 😄
& I wouldn't care if you took any responsibility or not

I double-checked...and I was right. 🙂












PS Relax.

I agree that females should take responsibility when they drink too much and act stupid.
But that article was utter bullshit. Obviously written by a male...

The morality of an action is strictly defined by the person's TRUE intentions, in my opinion.
It's not like these males are angels and don't have bad intentions. I'm definitely not making excuses for sloppy females, but there are certain male types that sniff out the drunkest girl in the room with those exact intentions...to score...take advantage of...etc. (Call it what you will.)
The girl should have not put herself in that position...she should have been responsible, know her limits, not act like a fucking baffoon...
but in all fairness, that same male should find a goddamn conscience. I'm betting he knew exactly what he was doing.

*shrug*






BTW Hey freaker.

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Posted by brianafay
I double-checked...and I was right. 🙂












PS Relax.

no, you are wrong. not this thread. view my profile and go through those posts.

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LOL....you said no, not this thread....................................

I think you just admitted you were being obnoxious in THIS THREAD














I win. tahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
🙂

Well, partially

Lol. Just call us Feminazis then—??



*rolls eyes*

Does anyone honestly know any women who got drunk (not passed out drunk), had sex and then accused
the guy she had sex with of rape and as a result he was then convicted and sentenced to a period of time
in jail? Or do you know a friend of a friend who has done this? Have any of you women here done this?

How many here have been raped (male or female) or know someone personally or a friend of a friend who has been
raped and the circumstances did not include claiming the rapist had gotten the victim drunk?

Also out of the people who know a rape victim or of one or are one how many reported it and as a result the
offender was convicted and served time?
I know more than one person who was raped and did not report anything and I also know of two people who went
to the police and the investigations led nowhere.

In any case here is my feedback for you Flying Burritos:
The author of the article seems to be trying
to generalize an issue that is not a general occurrence.
He used an example where there was a false accusation of
rape which resulted in the accused being acquitted as well as the prosecutor in the case disbarred.
I doubt over the course of your life you will go to jail for being falsely accused of rape.
It seems you might have a better chance of raping someone and not being accused at all.

I had a friend (she is no longer my friend because of her obnoxious behavior when drunk). She would (intentionally) get wasted and then go home with random guys; only to pretend later that she "couldn't recall what happened," or "he must have drugged me." Unfortunately, there are irresponsible people on both sides of this coin. I would have more sympathy for a person who never drank before, and got loaded and did something stupid their first time, versus someone who makes a habit of doing stupid stuff - that's just my opinon. I've been drunk before, and I've done stupid things, but I've NEVER blamed or held someone else responsible for my stupidity/actions. I am accountable for my actions - even when they are not my most shining moments. When you put yourself in a precarious situation, you have to be able to deal with the responsibility of those actions; especially when everyone is an adult. I am not one of those who will leave my girls @ a bar to go home with a guy; however, I have numerous friends who have and continue to do so. I don't care, their actions are not my responsibility. I will ask and try to ensure they are making the right decision, but ultimately - short of me picking them up and carrying them to the cab/car, I can't make them NOT go home with someone, nor do I feel it's my responsibility to do that. If we chose to drink too much and then do something we wish we hadn't, that's on us as an individual. Being drugged is a completely different scenario and can of worms, and I won't address, as I've known a lot of people to get drunk, but NONE of then have ever been drugged (barring the one ex-friend who alleged it on multiple times).

Ok, ok ! *Shoots gun in the air, waves white flag*


So many things to address so little time. Most important one is the expiration thing. As has already been clarified in another post, I dont feel women "expire" as they hit their 30's. But this is what a lot of women feel like based on what THEY'VE told me personally. I dont think that. A 30 something woman is much more attractive to me than a 20 something one.

Secondly, I agree with Jade, Rudov writes things in such a douchebag way, he ends up having people miss some valid points. I definately agree with you guys when it comes to the pill thing. Its not her fault and the guy should be sent off to prison to receive conjugal visits from someone he doesnt want conjugal visits from.

But that's not what the article no matter how douchey, is talking about. He's talking about women going out and getting hammered. Not passed out where the asshat guy takes advantage of her. That is way wrong and out of line. When I slept over sober at a house party I had to stop a drunk jerk from taking advantage of a passed out chick. Lucky for him, he backed off and didnt end up being put in a stretcher by me.

But again, Rudov is talking about women being awake and consenting to sex. I personally dont think men should be f--ing drunk girls. As mentioned before, I've had countless drunk girls hit me up for sex. I told them I dont think that is something they would want sober. Even after I said that, they were still aggressive. One even jumped on top Disclosure- style when i was sitting on the couch trying to undo my pants. It was the first time I ever had to shove a girl off.

So, Virgdreamz, I do believe there is a very high chance of being falsely accused of rape if one puts themselves in that social situation. Check the polls, false accusations of rape are getting higher and higher. Which angers me to no end because the real rape victims pay for that abuse. Because law enforcement now due to loads of class action lawsuits, have to have a higher than normal amount of evidence to charge, let alone convict someone.

So now real rapists stand a higher chance of not being charged or convicted. And the rape victim feels terrorized forever. All thanks to these women who cant just tell the truth.

Didnt mean to go off on a rant, but I interned briefly at a rape crisis center. Seeing those genuine victims gutted me. And it always pisses me off when women are found later on

to be lying. So the actual victim gets short shrift because of it.


Satori, I live in a college town in the south. I know it sounds too good to be true, but women in the south tend to settle down at a young age. So it means women who are 29 and up, single with no kids are very hard to find.

I mean everyone says go to an internet site. But think about that for a second. Women on these sites get thousands of messages a day. Its very hard to stand out from the herd. Even if you have consistant contact, it can take up to 3 months just to meet in a coffeehouse due to their comfort level understandably.

So that option is out. Literally, all the women I have around me who are single tend to be college age.

If anything, I'm more jaded due to my male and female friends than actual dating. (Although that has played a part) Dont get me wrong, I love em dearly and will always be there when they need me. But I've been privy to all sorts of weird and very questionable things they've done.

So it has made me more weary and gun-shy to even want to be in a relationship. When you've seen and experienced the things I have it may be easier to see my point of view.

I'm 99% jaded not not 100. My main problem would be solved if I could move to a bigger metropolitan west coast city like LA or Vegas. Where there are much more 29 and up singles who havent even been married. But I'm stuck financially. So, the Hank Moody life style it is.

Posted by FlyingBurritos80
My main problem would be solved if I could move to a bigger metropolitan west coast city like LA or Vegas. Where there are much more 29 and up singles who havent even been married. But I'm stuck financially. So, the Hank Moody life style it is.

I beg to differ with you. I believe you would be just as jaded if not moreso if you lived in a "bigger metropolitan west coast city..." I'm extremely jaded about relationships. I've lived back East, West & Mid West in big and small towns, and as they say, "Same ish, different day," it would be "Same ish, different city."

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So, Virgdreamz, I do believe there is a very high chance of being falsely accused of rape if one puts themselves in that social situation. Check the polls, false accusations of rape are getting higher and higher. Which angers me to no end because the real rape victims pay for that abuse. Because law enforcement now due to loads of class action lawsuits, have to have a higher than normal amount of evidence to charge, let alone convict someone.
So now real rapists stand a higher chance of not being charged or convicted. And the rape victim feels terrorized forever. All thanks to these women who cant just tell the truth.

Ya but you just reiterated my point...
I said that over the course of your life I doubt you will serve jail time for being falsely accused of rape. You might, but I guess you'll have
to get back to me from your death bed.

Even the author of the article posted did not illustrate his point he used an example where 3 men were falsely accused and then acquitted
and filed a lawsuit for 30 million. The article is about women claiming "he got me drunk"
Alcohol was not even an issue in the case brought up by the author the accused claimed to have been kidnapped beaten and raped.

Anyway at this party you slept at with all the drunken nymphettes. Were any of the other men in attendance accused and convicted of rape?
(Or was yours the only disco stick in high demand)
I'm gonna guess no on the convictions - perhaps maybe the disco stick too (but let me know, I wasn't there)
but you did point out you had to stop someone from taking advantage of an unconscious woman.

I just don't feel there is a rampage of woman saying whatever they want with their word being taken without
question.
Obviously if there are statistics of false accusations on the rise these woman did not get away with lying since they were proven and recorded
within the statistics of being false accusers.
You also mention that due to lawsuits a higher than normal amount of evidence is needed just to make a charge.
So for myself it doesn't seem so easy to run around throwing out accusations with no accountability as the author seems to imply but has
yet to provide a legitimate example of this.
He should've at least done his research and because he didn't it shows me that the article is really more about fueling a type of man who
already has e

existing issues against women rather than bringing awareness to a valid concern.

this fucking thing still going on GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

If you don't know your limits, DON'T DRINK!! If you know you don't make good choices when you drink, DON'T DRINK!! And if you choose to do so anyway, then any situation resulting from being to intoxicated is completely your fault.