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There's money in dog fights and prostitution .. but, they are still illegal.
I guess I'm just questioning whether it's abusive to the horses.
I'm sure there are poor farmers who have worked their mules to death by exhaustion .... and farmer's have zero money
in most races it's not, the horses love to run and they are better treated than most animals, but some obstacle races like steeple-chase require very hard trainig and there are a lot of horse deaths.
Also: the horses that aren't very good at running generally end up in the dog food industry.
Also: the horses that aren't very good at running generally end up in the dog food industry.
Posted by P-AngelI.don't know about horse races, but my dad competed in the Iditarod several years ago. The dogs there are given the utmost care and attention. They have something like 2 Vets per team and the mushers get banned and slapped with criminal charges if they are caught over running the dogs.
Do you think it's cruel to the horses to race them?
I'm yes and no .... leaning more towards "no" providing their owners aren't over working them and giving them proper vet care.
Horses love to run and can go at top speed for long distances and it doesn't seem to effect them. But, then there's the jockey's smacking (whipping) them to go faster.
If it is cruelty to animals, then why is it still legal?
The dogs love to run and would willingly run themselves to death if given the chance. The mushers have to split the day into 5-6 hour shifts, alternating between running and sleeping.
Animal cruelty is just wrong so many levels. But we still enjoy we still participate. Human nature I suppose.
Posted by P-AngelFor the size and strength of a stallion that smack with the whip is nothing.
Do you think it's cruel to the horses to race them?
I'm yes and no .... leaning more towards "no" providing their owners aren't over working them and giving them proper vet care.
Horses love to run and can go at top speed for long distances and it doesn't seem to effect them. But, then there's the jockey's smacking (whipping) them to go faster.
If it is cruelty to animals, then why is it still legal?
I used to ride while I worked at a ranch. Some horses are better wild and free roaming and some are better performing for thier trainer.
It's a pity it seems that @koniucha deleted. She knew about horses I think.
Posted by Listenlearnteach
For the size and strength of a stallion that smack with the whip is nothing.
that was along my thought process.
But, then ... if it's nothing, then how can it be effective in getting them to move faster?
Putting a retired horse out to pasture doesn't seem cruel to me ... but, shooting them on the track if they fall and break a leg does.
A broken leg doesn't mean you have to die for crying out loud ... why not put it out to pasture, rather than shoot it?
Posted by hydorahGood Riddance !!
It's a pity it seems that @koniucha deleted. She knew about horses I think.
she's quite the ass ... a horse's ass from the sounds of it
Good post .
In my opinion it's absolutely barbaric . Yes a horse loves exercise and loves to run but hitting the poor thing to make it run faster is cruel.
I also can't stand it that for the sake of sport a animal could be hurt and potentially lose their life because of greedy fools . People who like a gamble play online poker or something.
In my opinion it's absolutely barbaric . Yes a horse loves exercise and loves to run but hitting the poor thing to make it run faster is cruel.
I also can't stand it that for the sake of sport a animal could be hurt and potentially lose their life because of greedy fools . People who like a gamble play online poker or something.
I don't have a problem with the sport aspect of it .... unless it's abusive.
Like for example .... in dog fights, they put a little puppy in there to the contenders riled and pumped up and then the pup gets torn apart.
now THAT is a cruel sport ... but, just the running of the horses in a race, in and of itself, for the sake of the sport doesn't equate to cruel, imo
But, I understand how others can view it as such .. that's why I made this thread, to get other pov's
From what I can tell, these race horses get taken care of quite well ... other than the whipping during the race, and even then maybe they don't really feel it as pain, like a poster said.
Maybe that hitting with the stick is a command, and not really painful to them ... they do have very thick hides.
Posted by Plagued
yet a true gane dog will scratch, and will enjoy that match.
And that's a point in which I think people fail to acknowledge sometimes.
As mean or cruel, etc that we may believe it is .. it's not to them.
As humans, our feelings are attached to emotions .... if we think it's cruel to the animal then we are incapable of realizing that it's not cruel in the eyes of the animal.
fighting dogs LOVE to rip each other apart ... they enjoy it. just like horses LOVE to be run hard
So, I guess this question I have is moot .. because it doesn't really matter what humans think about cruelty when the animal itself is happy doing it.
Posted by Plagued
Incorrect about dog fighting and baiting with small animals. No you do not get a pit bull all hyped up by tossing a puppy in a pit.
Fantastic !!!!!!
Thanks for setting that straight .... my emotions didn't like that thought at all.
i thought horses are competitive
you don't like being whipped p-angel?
you don't like being whipped p-angel?
Just from an observational standpoint, obviously ... it looks to me as if fighting dogs are enjoying the attack and kill, even the one dying.
But, I'm human .. so I can't really talk for the dogs.
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Posted by SuperMercurial
They have really thick hides. The whips are just used near the end to signal the horses to give it their all. Some aren't even whipped. They're just shown the whip.
In the clip above, the horses aren't hit with the stick until the end. Jump to 1:45, which is the last stretch.
You see Exaggerator (jockey in green) coming up fast, and he isn't whipped at all.
You see Niquist only whipped once to leap ahead of Gun Runner, and then only shown the stick another time and not hit with it.
Other horses hit a lot, by the other jockey's ... but, none of them are until the last stretch.
So, this aligns with my thought process in believing this isn't hurting them, rather, a command by the jockey to push ... since Niquist wins this race by just being shown the stick.
Posted by feby
....they are prey animals. They have a tough life in the wild.
It's hard to swallow that, but, the reality is: everyone has to eat. And I can imagine that a horse has little ability to ward off an attacker, other than outrunning them.
I guess the consensus is in ..... race horses aren't being abused.
Posted by P-AngelIts a training signal kind of like petting a dog as a reward for good behaviorPosted by Listenlearnteach
For the size and strength of a stallion that smack with the whip is nothing.
that was along my thought process.
But, then ... if it's nothing, then how can it be effective in getting them to move faster?click to expand
Posted by P-AngelThose horses, especially a good fast horse, are treated like royalty. They're treated better than most humans.
Do you think it's cruel to the horses to race them?
I'm yes and no .... leaning more towards "no" providing their owners aren't over working them and giving them proper vet care.
Horses love to run and can go at top speed for long distances and it doesn't seem to effect them. But, then there's the jockey's smacking (whipping) them to go faster.
If it is cruelty to animals, then why is it still legal?
I don't think the jockeys beat them, it's just a slight tap to let the horse know it's time to let loose.
Posted by P-AngelThose horses, especially a good fast horse, are treated like royalty. They're treated better than most humans.
Do you think it's cruel to the horses to race them?
I'm yes and no .... leaning more towards "no" providing their owners aren't over working them and giving them proper vet care.
Horses love to run and can go at top speed for long distances and it doesn't seem to effect them. But, then there's the jockey's smacking (whipping) them to go faster.
If it is cruelty to animals, then why is it still legal?
I don't think the jockeys beat them, it's just a slight tap to let the horse know it's time to let loose.
Posted by P-AngelI don't think horses fair well with a broken leg. If you could set it, there's no way to keep the horse from putting weight on it, which would cause the setting to become unaligned. They don't make wheelchairs for horses, you know. The bones shatter into little bitty pieces and there's no for the bone to heal back together. Their bones also bend before they break and even if you could put the pieces back together, the leg would heel with a very bad bend in the bone. Plus there's very little skin around the bone and the majority of the time when the bone fractures, the bone penetrates the skin which causes a lot of soft tissue damage which damages the blood supply and bones need blood to heal. Even if the bone was able to set correctly, it is a very high risk factor for laminitis.
Putting a retired horse out to pasture doesn't seem cruel to me ... but, shooting them on the track if they fall and break a leg does.
A broken leg doesn't mean you have to die for crying out loud ... why not put it out to pasture, rather than shoot it?
Yes, I looked all this up. No, I'm not a vet.
Posted by febyDid you mean outer banks?
I worked for a little bit in an OTB facility bartending and I always felt a little sad for the horses. Then I remember people like my mom who own and operate horse rescues. There are good people out there who care for these animals once their careers are over....
I can't help but believe that all animals deserve the right to be free and wild.
In obx (outer banks) we have wild horses. They are extinct. But you think about dogs... we domesticated them. There are facts proving they are becoming more humane. I walk my own dog without a leash and he never leaves my side.
It takes a special person to raise a wild creature right. It's not without its challenges, but it can be done.
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@MrHands
That's a staggering statistic, what the video said - every week, 24 horse die on tracks in the US
Horses should not be ridden until they are at least 3 years old. Their bones are not fully fused until they reach about 4 or 5 years old. However in the race industry they ride them sometimes as yearlings and they're out on the race track at 2. Most racehorses live short lives due to either leg injuries on the track or progressive lameness due to over exertion on the joints at too early an age. The successful racehorses will be retired to grass or for breeding. Those that are unsuccessful may be rehomed but need to undergo a rehabilitation program due to them being a bit screwed up in the head as they have just been taught too gallop everywhere. Some racehorses go on to knowledgable loving homes and are given an alternative career if they are trainable. Others get passed around from owner to owner living a stressful life because they are hard to handle due to their upbringing.
Horses live well into their 20's these days, a racehorse is lucky to get to 12. These are the reasons I don't support the racing industry and why many consider it to be cruel
Horses live well into their 20's these days, a racehorse is lucky to get to 12. These are the reasons I don't support the racing industry and why many consider it to be cruel
We would usually start a bit of ground work at 2 then not back until 4
What about boxing and the Olympics? We do the same shit to ourselves and it's not considered cruel. MMA is a growing sport and makes millions
I'm a bit on the fence about it too. they love galloping and jockeys tend to be small and light. I guess a lot of it depends on how they are treated.
still, I do feel mean when I go horse riding and the horse isn't really in the mood or tires because s/he's been working all day. and I do often think that using animals against their will in itself is generally abusive.
still, I do feel mean when I go horse riding and the horse isn't really in the mood or tires because s/he's been working all day. and I do often think that using animals against their will in itself is generally abusive.
LOL @ Stupes comparing race horses to MMA fighters.
Fucking box of rocks.
Fucking box of rocks.
Posted by WynterStating the fact that we do far worse to ourselves as a form of entertainment there cheese whiz. GTFOH with your higher than thou BS
LOL @ Stupes comparing race horses to MMA fighters.
Fucking box of rocks.
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Do you think it's cruel to the horses to race them?
I'm yes and no .... leaning more towards "no" providing their owners aren't over working them and giving them proper vet care.
Horses love to run and can go at top speed for long distances and it doesn't seem to effect them. But, then there's the jockey's smacking (whipping) them to go faster.
If it is cruelty to animals, then why is it still legal?