Take your blinders off (Page 2)

Posted by KittenLaRouge
snp or whatever your name is, you are ignorant as fuck. its almost embarrassing.

Says the one who tells us to all become vegan and to stop killing animals and use the Earth's resources to keep her sorry ass alive. It's ignorant to not respect our opinions and the fact that some of us like eating meat and mining for gold in our backyard.

LMFAO @ Vitamin Asshole and Vitamin Bullshit.

I don't think everyone can syop eating meat completely.

However, factory farming conditions are pretty shitty.

Free range animals are healthier nutrient-wise.

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Posted by TwirlingStrawberry
why would that make you embarrassed to be a vegan? granted, I haven't seen the pictures but......really?

They way every one is acting like idiots about the subject, if you had a heart and saw pictures of blood and guts and such I believe any one with moral decency would not post such photo's.

You are being a total twit by saying "everyone".....ONE person posted the pictures and you are free to block him if you don't want to see it....instead of whining about it and grouping eveyone together. Take it up with *him*. I didn't say anything for or against veganism, it's a complete moot point for me on what you or anyone else does with your life. I have no opinion whatsoever on the matter, I'm here to troll the troll.

I live in the midwest. We eat cow and chickens and some backwoods folks even eat raccoon (I have not tried this....but I have eaten alligator from Louisiana). The only thing "Vegan" I've ever seen is my quick walk through the new Whole Foods store which is a complete exploitation of the entire movement and a huge cash waster. I have.....had an amazing vegan brownie when on vacation in Jamaica though that I can speak very highly of.

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WTF, people eat raccoons? 😐

Mmmmm rabies, yum yum!

Posted by size zero superhero

As a vegetarian of 11 years, this is terrible PR for our camp.
To remove any doubt; not all vegans & vegetarians are militant herbivillains who pass judgment on others for not making the same dietary choices as ourselves, or accuse omnivores of being fat greasy fv.c.ks that get off on the idea of torturing animals.

+1

As another vegetarian of several years, this has to be pointed out frequently.

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Posted by size zero superhero

As a vegetarian of 11 years, this is terrible PR for our camp.
To remove any doubt; not all vegans & vegetarians are militant herbivillains who pass judgment on others for not making the same dietary choices as ourselves, or accuse omnivores of being fat greasy fv.c.ks that get off on the idea of torturing animals.

+1

As another vegetarian of several years, this has to be pointed out frequently.

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thats fine for both of you however i support the animal rights militia and the animal liberation front. I am not a "passive" vegan. i believe in direct action, such as the sea sheppard or burning down a factory farm or fur farm. passive vegans make me sick. they sit around singing kum-by-a and eating tofu while animals are brutally attacked day in and and day out whether it be animal testing facility or a rodeo or a factory farm. There has been a war declared and those that cannot speak for themselves in the name of speceism. No. I wont sit back and eat my tofu. Violence against animals does not stop when you ask nicely. Action is required as is violence. Liberation for humans and liberation for humans is all the same whether it be malcom X or the sea sheppard, they are both freedom fighters who were not passive. Passive vegans make me sick, where are the warriors? they are out there trust me.

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Posted by KittenLaRouge
snp or whatever your name is, you are ignorant as fuck. its almost embarrassing.

Says the one who tells us to all become vegan and to stop killing animals and use the Earth's resources to keep her sorry ass alive. It's ignorant to not respect our opinions and the fact that some of us like eating meat and mining for gold in our backyard.

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exactly leave my planet and my animals alone pathetic bastard.

Posted by size zero superhero
So long as there's a great demand/market for meat & animal products, there will be an industry. That's all there is to it.

The most you'll accomplish by committing acts of destruction, like torching buildings or bombing factories = giving your entire cause a bad name and possibly serving time in prison for destruction of property if you're caught. If any employees were injured or workers lost their jobs as a result, you'd be twice as screwed. They'd just build a newer, bigger facility while you're living in the slammer, and absolutely nothing will have changed.

If you find the practices unethical, first off, don't support the industry.
We only have control over where OUR money goes, not so much how others spend theirs. Put your money where your mouth is.
Or better yet, raise awareness about the horrid conditions & inhumane practices typical of factory farming or the numerous health benefits of adopting a plant-based diet.

Veganazis are absolutely counterproductive & their fanatic extremism discourages the average person from seriously considering vegetarianism/veganism for themselves.

Vegetarian & vegan diets have gained more mainstream appeal in recent years, on account of the purported health benefits & decreased risk of diet-related illnesses, as well the exposure of the inner workings of the meat industry. NOT because PETA loons were burning down buildings, screaming on the street holding signs, or condemning every omnivore they met.

I 150% disagree. All social movements require different forms of protest be it active or passive. Freedom from bondage has never been won without action and make no mistake that animal liberation is a social movement no different than freedom for the slaves. animal liberation human liberation, its the same thing. Movements require passive resistance ie vegan and direct action. no human as EVER been injured in animal liberation front movements however multiple activists have been killed. if you were caged in a laboratory being brutally caged and tested on would you want someone to break in and get you out or would you want them to hold a sign and sing a song?

Posted by KittenLaRougethats fine for both of you however i support the animal rights militia and the animal liberation front. I am not a "passive" vegan. i believe in direct action, such as the sea sheppard or burning down a factory farm or fur farm. passive vegans make me sick. they sit around singing kum-by-a and eating tofu while animals are brutally attacked day in and and day out whether it be animal testing facility or a rodeo or a factory farm. There has been a war declared and those that cannot speak for themselves in the name of speceism. No. I wont sit back and eat my tofu. Violence against animals does not stop when you ask nicely. Action is required as is violence. Liberation for humans and liberation for humans is all the same whether it be malcom X or the sea sheppard, they are both freedom fighters who were not passive. Passive vegans make me sick, where are the warriors? they are out there trust me.

No shit.

Eco-terrorists are ranked higher threat-wise than some foreign terrorists.

Love the Freudian slip! 😄



On another note, I think your anger is misdirected, and being a member of ALF (may) give you an

outlet you find more palatable than dealing with what's really bothering you.

That's what I would like to think.

Then again, you may really be so twisted that you think it's alright to kill people to save animals.


And btw

PETA is a fraud.

Just saying.

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Posted by KittenLaRougethats fine for both of you however i support the animal rights militia and the animal liberation front. I am not a "passive" vegan. i believe in direct action, such as the sea sheppard or burning down a factory farm or fur farm. passive vegans make me sick. they sit around singing kum-by-a and eating tofu while animals are brutally attacked day in and and day out whether it be animal testing facility or a rodeo or a factory farm. There has been a war declared and those that cannot speak for themselves in the name of speceism. No. I wont sit back and eat my tofu. Violence against animals does not stop when you ask nicely. Action is required as is violence. Liberation for humans and liberation for humans is all the same whether it be malcom X or the sea sheppard, they are both freedom fighters who were not passive. Passive vegans make me sick, where are the warriors? they are out there trust me.

No shit.

Eco-terrorists are ranked higher threat-wise than some foreign terrorists.

Love the Freudian slip! 😄



On another note, I think your anger is misdirected, and being a member of ALF (may) give you an

outlet you find more palatable than dealing with what's really bothering you.

That's what I would like to think.

Then again, you may really be so twisted that you think it's alright to kill people to save animals.


And btw

PETA is a fraud.

Just saying.

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alf doesnt have members. so its ok to kill one billion land animals per year? um ok. peta is not a fraud. they do an immense amount for animals. that is whats really bothering me and a lot of other people to who have expanded their consciousness

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Posted by KittenLaRouge
if you were caged in a laboratory being brutally caged and tested on would you want someone to break in and get you out or would you want them to hold a sign and sing a song?

Would you want to be "caged" in a cell behind bars for stupidly destroying the facilities where these things take place?

Who's going to break you out when that happens, and how useful are you as an animal rights "warrior" on the inside--jail, a place where your specialized diet won't be accommodated at all?
That's perfectly fine if the glory of martyrdom is your cup of tea, but that course of action isn't going to inspire large-scale change as a result.

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there have been many people who have given their life for the cause i wish i was that brave.

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Posted by KittenLaRouge

I 150% disagree. All social movements require different forms of protest be it active or passive. Freedom from bondage has never been won without action and make no mistake that animal liberation is a social movement no different than freedom for the slaves. animal liberation human liberation, its the same thing. Movements require passive resistance ie vegan and direct action. no human as EVER been injured in animal liberation front movements however multiple activists have been killed. if you were caged in a laboratory being brutally caged and tested on would you want someone to break in and get you out or would you want them to hold a sign and sing a song?

But here's the thing ...

What good will it do for the animals, by posting and ranting here?

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i do what i want.

Posted by size zero superhero
"Many" people? Can you show receipts for that claim? I wonder why their names & stories aren't recognized or familiar amongst vegetarians OR in the mainstream. Conspiracy? I don't think so.

The few who've been killed because they posed an apparent/perceived threat to others' safety--or shot because they were foolishly caught trespassing on private property to vandalize it in the name of saving animals--went about their cause in the worst way possible: vegeterrorism.

I wouldn't want to be remembered as someone that met my fate trying to demolish/deface buildings & property, naively thinking this would somehow "expose" the cruel & unethical procedures that took place inside.

Again, people destroy their own credibility by supporting this nonsense thinking it'll inspire people to put down the porkchop for good. Nope, to the average person; that only makes it look like vegans are suffering from malnutrition-induced psychosis from the meat they haven't been eating.

you can watch the movie behind the mask about keith mann and the history of the animal libertion front to get educated on what you are talking about. it's an excellent movie about people who risk everything to save animals

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Posted by KittenLaRouge

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Posted by KittenLaRouge

I 150% disagree. All social movements require different forms of protest be it active or passive. Freedom from bondage has never been won without action and make no mistake that animal liberation is a social movement no different than freedom for the slaves. animal liberation human liberation, its the same thing. Movements require passive resistance ie vegan and direct action. no human as EVER been injured in animal liberation front movements however multiple activists have been killed. if you were caged in a laboratory being brutally caged and tested on would you want someone to break in and get you out or would you want them to hold a sign and sing a song?

But here's the thing ...

What good will it do for the animals, by posting and ranting here?

i do what i want.

So does other vegans and so does meat eaters ...

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fair enough. it's an open forum, any issues can be addressed.

Being destructive/violent in the name of your cause will only alienate people from your cause altogether.

The way to create widespread change is through gradual influence. Nowadays it's unheard to NOT recycle. This happened because more and more people, including prominent people, endorsed the value of being eco-friendly.

This grassroots support gradually trickled towards laws, and so on.

30 years ago, only fringe hippie weirdos cared about the environment. There was almost a stigma against it.

But now, it's not only supported by the mainstream, it's absolutely expected.

And don't give that "it's a WAR, grrrr!" nonsense. If war was so effective, the Middle East would be paradise and Sweden would be a backwards hellhole.

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Posted by KittenLaRouge
snp or whatever your name is, you are ignorant as fuck. its almost embarrassing.

Says the one who tells us to all become vegan and to stop killing animals and use the Earth's resources to keep her sorry ass alive. It's ignorant to not respect our opinions and the fact that some of us like eating meat and mining for gold in our backyard.

exactly leave my planet and my animals alone pathetic bastard.

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No. Fuck you. This isn't your planet, you don't own it. No excuse me while I go hunt deer and eat deer burgers with a side of chicken fries. Hahahaha, your attempts at eco-socialism are pathetic.

Posted by munchkin
Being destructive/violent in the name of your cause will only alienate people from your cause altogether.

The way to create widespread change is through gradual influence. Nowadays it's unheard to NOT recycle. This happened because more and more people, including prominent people, endorsed the value of being eco-friendly.

This grassroots support gradually trickled towards laws, and so on.

30 years ago, only fringe hippie weirdos cared about the environment. There was almost a stigma against it.

But now, it's not only supported by the mainstream, it's absolutely expected.

And don't give that "it's a WAR, grrrr!" nonsense. If war was so effective, the Middle East would be paradise and Sweden would be a backwards hellhole.

+1

Claims to care about the environment and animals...



Wants to start fires... where the animals live... and where there are toxic chemicals and explosive elements...


Right.

"We're so self-important. Everybody's going to save something now. "Save the trees, save the bees, save the whales, save those snails." And the greatest arrogance of all: save the planet. Save the planet, we don't even know how to take care of ourselves yet. I'm tired of this shit. I'm tired of fucking Earth Day. I'm tired of these self-righteous environmentalists, these white, bourgeois liberals who think the only thing wrong with this country is that there aren't enough bicycle paths. People trying to make the world safe for Volvos. Besides, environmentalists don't give a shit about the planet. Not in the abstract they don't. You know what they're interested in? A clean place to live. Their own habitat. They're worried that some day in the future they might be personally inconvenienced. Narrow, unenlightened self-interest doesn't impress me.
The planet has been through a lot worse than us. Been through earthquakes, volcanoes, plate tectonics, continental drift, solar flares, sun spots, magnetic storms, the magnetic reversal of the poles ... hundreds of thousands of years of bombardment by comets and asteroids and meteors, worldwide floods, tidal waves, worldwide fires, erosion, cosmic rays, recurring ice ages ... And we think some plastic bags and some aluminum cans are going to make a difference? The planet isn't going anywhere. WE are!

We're going away. Pack your shit, folks. We're going away. And we won't leave much of a trace, either. Maybe a little Styrofoam ... The planet'll be here and we'll be long gone. Just another failed mutation. Just another closed-end biological mistake. An evolutionary cul-de-sac. The planet'll shake us off like a bad case of fleas.

The planet will be here for a long, long, LONG time after we're gone, and it will heal itself, it will cleanse itself, 'cause that's what it does. It's a self-correcting system. The air and the water will recover, the earth will be renewed. And if it's true that plastic is not degradable, well, the planet will simply incorporate plastic into a new paradigm: the earth plus plastic. The earth doesn't share our prejudice toward plastic. Plastic came out of the earth. The earth probably sees plastic as just another one of its children. Could be the only reason the earth allowed us to be spawned from it in the first place. It wanted plastic for itself. Didn't know how to make it. Needed us. Could be the answer to our age-old egocentric philosophical question, "Why are we here?" "
~Ge

~George Carlin~

wtf?

Posted by LetltB
~George Carlin~

Carlin said that?

Hmm

I figured him for a granola on that topic.


Nice.

Posted by Montgomery

Posted by LetltB
~George Carlin~

Carlin said that?

Hmm

I figured him for a granola on that topic.


Nice.

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The truth in humor. He was my hero. ~r.i.p.~

Mr. Carlin had some epic rants...like the one quoted above.

Beautiful.

ya, george carlin is funny and all but he is just a another individual that wants to live without any accountability for the actions and give license for people to do whatever they want. sure enslave animals, enslave humans, blow off mountain tops who cares? What he fails to mention is that things like the redwood forest have been a million years in the making and we cut it down as if it was nothing. what he fails to mention is that we have accountability as inhabitants of this planet as we are merely guests here. when you are a guest in a friends house, do you destroy everything and then just leave? of course not, you show some respect and manners and you act accordingly. the planet is no different. in addition, it is our job as humans to minimize the and take care of others be it children or animals and help those that cannot help themselves but instead we torture them in labs, enslave them, kill them and treat them as if they are inanimate objects. ya, carlins diatribe might be clever but it's out of touch with reality and its just another excuse for humans to act filthy, disrespectful of the planet and disgusting.

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Posted by KittenLaRouge

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Posted by KittenLaRouge
snp or whatever your name is, you are ignorant as fuck. its almost embarrassing.

Says the one who tells us to all become vegan and to stop killing animals and use the Earth's resources to keep her sorry ass alive. It's ignorant to not respect our opinions and the fact that some of us like eating meat and mining for gold in our backyard.

exactly leave my planet and my animals alone pathetic bastard.

No. Fuck you. This isn't your planet, you don't own it. No excuse me while I go hunt deer and eat deer burgers with a side of chicken fries. Hahahaha, your attempts at eco-socialism are pathetic.

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hopefully your hunting gun will accidentally find itself lodged up your ass? *eats popcorn and enjoys the show*

Posted by Arielle83
I love it when people tell me they are vegan and then they eat fish and eggs....

Ummm lacto-ovo vegetarian dumbass, not a vegan.

umm who even does that? *scratches head*

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Posted by LetltB
~George Carlin~

Carlin said that?

Hmm

I figured him for a granola on that topic.


Nice.

The truth in humor. He was my hero. ~r.i.p.~

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it's not truth. its a diatribe of un-accountability. its the "who cares just sit around with your finger up your ass eating cheeto's mentality." No.

Posted by starlover
I was in Cornwall years ago (in UK). I was a vegetarian at the time. My bf and i checked into a guest house and chatted to the owner and mentioned to him that we were vegetarians. He said to us *yes i am too, but i eat fish and chicken sometimes*


lol

Smh. Am I a murderer if I only murder every now and then ? A part time murderer if you will? 🙂

Lol

Posted by KittenLaRouge
ya, george carlin is funny and all but he is just a another individual that wants to live without any accountability for the actions and give license for people to do whatever they want. sure enslave animals, enslave humans, blow off mountain tops who cares? What he fails to mention is that things like the redwood forest have been a million years in the making and we cut it down as if it was nothing. what he fails to mention is that we have accountability as inhabitants of this planet as we are merely guests here. when you are a guest in a friends house, do you destroy everything and then just leave? of course not, you show some respect and manners and you act accordingly. the planet is no different. in addition, it is our job as humans to minimize the and take care of others be it children or animals and help those that cannot help themselves but instead we torture them in labs, enslave them, kill them and treat them as if they are inanimate objects. ya, carlins diatribe might be clever but it's out of touch with reality and its just another excuse for humans to act filthy, disrespectful of the planet and disgusting.

"All your chanting, marching, voting, picketing, boycotting and letter-writing will not change a thing; you will never right the wrongs of this world. The only thing your activity will accomplish is to make some of you feel better. Such activity makes powerless people feel useful, and provides them the illusion that they're making a difference. But it doesn't work. Nothing changes. The powerful keep the power. That's why they're called the powerful." ~George Carlin~

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Posted by KittenLaRouge

Posted by starlover
I was in Cornwall years ago (in UK). I was a vegetarian at the time. My bf and i checked into a guest house and chatted to the owner and mentioned to him that we were vegetarians. He said to us *yes i am too, but i eat fish and chicken sometimes*


lol

Smh. Am I a murderer if I only murder every now and then ? A part time murderer if you will? 🙂

I don't think he murdered anything or anyone ~ unless he had his wife chopped up in the freezer maybe?


lol

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meat is murder whether you do it or not.

Posted by KittenLaRouge
ya, george carlin is funny and all but he is just a another individual that wants to live without any accountability for the actions and give license for people to do whatever they want. sure enslave animals, enslave humans, blow off mountain tops who cares? What he fails to mention is that things like the redwood forest have been a million years in the making and we cut it down as if it was nothing. what he fails to mention is that we have accountability as inhabitants of this planet as we are merely guests here. when you are a guest in a friends house, do you destroy everything and then just leave? of course not, you show some respect and manners and you act accordingly. the planet is no different. in addition, it is our job as humans to minimize the and take care of others be it children or animals and help those that cannot help themselves but instead we torture them in labs, enslave them, kill them and treat them as if they are inanimate objects. ya, carlins diatribe might be clever but it's out of touch with reality and its just another excuse for humans to act filthy, disrespectful of the planet and disgusting.

We aren't guests. This planet was created for us.

Along with .... the birds and the bees, and the flowers and the trees, -- so on, and so forth.

Are we good stewards of what has been so generously given? In many cases, no.

You are operating from a false premise, and so to follows you argument.

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Posted by KittenLaRouge
ya, george carlin is funny and all but he is just a another individual that wants to live without any accountability for the actions and give license for people to do whatever they want. sure enslave animals, enslave humans, blow off mountain tops who cares? What he fails to mention is that things like the redwood forest have been a million years in the making and we cut it down as if it was nothing. what he fails to mention is that we have accountability as inhabitants of this planet as we are merely guests here. when you are a guest in a friends house, do you destroy everything and then just leave? of course not, you show some respect and manners and you act accordingly. the planet is no different. in addition, it is our job as humans to minimize the and take care of others be it children or animals and help those that cannot help themselves but instead we torture them in labs, enslave them, kill them and treat them as if they are inanimate objects. ya, carlins diatribe might be clever but it's out of touch with reality and its just another excuse for humans to act filthy, disrespectful of the planet and disgusting.

"All your chanting, marching, voting, picketing, boycotting and letter-writing will not change a thing; you will never right the wrongs of this world. The only thing your activity will accomplish is to make some of you feel better. Such activity makes powerless people feel useful, and provides them the illusion that they're making a difference. But it doesn't work. Nothing changes. The powerful keep the power. That's why they're called the powerful." ~George Carlin~

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"All your chanting, marching, voting, picketing, boycotting and letter-writing will not change a thing

this is where direct action comes into play. for example sea sheppard physically blocks whaling ships from killing whales. the animal liberation front goes to a fur farm and releases the mink out of their tiny cages and gives them a chance at life versus being anally electrocuted for a fur coat. they break into labs and take animals out. so you are saving only a few animals but you have tried. social media has done a lot to turn the tides for animals so his logic is false. companies are dropping supporting sea world after the movie black

Posted by Rabbit
As I type this...millions of wild animals around the world are being viciously killed and dismembered....



By other wild animals....for food.



LOL @ emotionally stunted mental midgets trying to equate meat consumption with murder.

this is natural this is NOT a factory farm and extreme confinement of animals. rows of rows of animal who cant even turn around, piled on top of each other for maximum profit. animals are sentient beings they are not machines.

I'll keep bringing this up - we live in a modern world. Somewhere and something is being murdered as we speak. If you want to protect the animals go right on ahead. Let's mention pets being bought at pet shops and abandoned only to be inevitably put down by organisations that want to save them due to lack of 'room'.

Are any of the products you use animal tested? Can you be sure of that? Are the grains you eat sourced? Is everything you eat sourced? Do you own leather or animal related clothing items?

Do you own a pet? What do you think about how humans domesticating animals? How would that affect your view on domesticated livestock? We both use them for our own purposes don't we? What about zoos? If you want to love them then respect them. If you want to to think of humans as superior I suggest you look into the human barbie's philosophy of 'absorbing sun light'. Human lives aren't precious are they? So long as the animals don't die.

There's a way to back healthy eating, telling people they are murderers will usually net a stupid response from me... usually.

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Posted by KittenLaRouge
ya, george carlin is funny and all but he is just a another individual that wants to live without any accountability for the actions and give license for people to do whatever they want. sure enslave animals, enslave humans, blow off mountain tops who cares? What he fails to mention is that things like the redwood forest have been a million years in the making and we cut it down as if it was nothing. what he fails to mention is that we have accountability as inhabitants of this planet as we are merely guests here. when you are a guest in a friends house, do you destroy everything and then just leave? of course not, you show some respect and manners and you act accordingly. the planet is no different. in addition, it is our job as humans to minimize the and take care of others be it children or animals and help those that cannot help themselves but instead we torture them in labs, enslave them, kill them and treat them as if they are inanimate objects. ya, carlins diatribe might be clever but it's out of touch with reality and its just another excuse for humans to act filthy, disrespectful of the planet and disgusting.

We aren't guests. This planet was created for us.

Along with .... the birds and the bees, and the flowers and the trees, -- so on, and so forth.

Are we good stewards of what has been so generously given? In many cases, no.

You are operating from a false premise, and so to follows you argument.

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This is biblical philosophy. But it does not give us a right to destroy. We still have a moral obligation not to cause suffering to others be it animals or children. factory farms, animal testing facilities cause suffering beyond our comprehension.

Posted by Rabbit
I can't wait to get up early tomorrow so I can trick some fish into thinking they are eating so I can drive a sharpened piece of steel wire into its jaw just so I can drag it up into an environment in which it can't breathe.

Yes. It will be awesome.

Posted by aquasnoz
I'll keep bringing this up - we live in a modern world. Somewhere and something is being murdered as we speak. If you want to protect the animals go right on ahead. Let's mention pets being bought at pet shops and abandoned only to be inevitably put down by organisations that want to save them due to lack of 'room'.

Are any of the products you use animal tested? Can you be sure of that? Are the grains you eat sourced? Is everything you eat sourced? Do you own leather or animal related clothing items?

Do you own a pet? What do you think about how humans domesticating animals? How would that affect your view on domesticated livestock? We both use them for our own purposes don't we? What about zoos? If you want to love them then respect them. If you want to to think of humans as superior I suggest you look into the human barbie's philosophy of 'absorbing sun light'. Human lives aren't precious are they? So long as the animals don't die.

There's a way to back healthy eating, telling people they are murderers will usually net a stupid response from me... usually.

you cannot live completely free of the system of torture and animal abuse but you can try to live in such a way that at least minimizes your contribution as much as possible-conscious living. zoos are evil and disgusting. enslaving animals so we can walk around and eat popcorn and look at them. NOTHING deserves to live their life in a cage. animals deserve to be wild and free to dies to hunt to LIVE. domesticated animals rely on humans to take care of them as they are domesticated. there is nothing wrong with being a loving animals guardian to a domesticated pet. What we are discussing here are factory farms, extreme confinement, forced breeding. chicken , turkeys, being beaten to a bloody pulp with hammers while laughing workers watch just for fun-all of this is well documented.

Posted by eight67530nine
I don't eat meat now because of the unethical treatment of the animals that factory farms enslave. It's disgusting the conditions and treatment that these animals have to endure so you can buy your bulk poultry on sale to feed your obese family. Mass consumption in General is very disturbing. I wish people would use their brains every now but that may be too much effort for the average American.

thank you, i agree from the bottom of my heart. i do think that a lot of capricorns are the most consciously evolved of the human species. Plus you live in the bay area where there is a lot of conscious living.

That is the the point I don't agree with when people are 'pro' ethical vegans. They'll usually harp on about what is considered the least harmful to the planet. For discussion sake if we abolished slaughter houses and animal abuse disappears completely.

We 'hunt' for our meat in which case might mean we pay the others to do it for us. Would it then become a discussion about how much pain an animal perceives while dying? If hypothetically speaking science one day can prove plants actually have a different form of pain receptors so that it's no longer a defense mechanism would vegans go extinct?

I know I'm giving you bad scenarios. All I'm saying is if you want to raise awareness then target the cruelty exhibited by these facilities and not condemn people's choices for eating meat.

Posted by aquasnoz
That is the the point I don't agree with when people are 'pro' ethical vegans. They'll usually harp on about what is considered the least harmful to the planet. For discussion sake if we abolished slaughter houses and animal abuse disappears completely.

We 'hunt' for our meat in which case might mean we pay the others to do it for us. Would it then become a discussion about how much pain an animal perceives while dying? If hypothetically speaking science one day can prove plants actually have a different form of pain receptors so that it's no longer a defense mechanism would vegans go extinct?

I know I'm giving you bad scenarios. All I'm saying is if you want to raise awareness then target the cruelty exhibited by these facilities and not condemn people's choices for eating meat.

plants do not have central nervous systems and its well known that animal experience pain just like humans. they also exhibit remorse, mourn the loss of their dead, nurture and bond with their infants and exhibit every range of emotion that humans do yet humans exploit them simply because they cant speak just like child molesters exploit children simply because children are weaker so they can. as far as condemning people. society condemns all the time, murders, rapist pedophiles. if you hold to the premise that any killing is wrong UNLESS it is necessity such as wild animals or the natural order of things then meat eaters are right in line to be condemned because they are supporting animal torture and extreme animal confinement in factory farms. just as sea world visitors can be condemned for visiting an institution that keeps orcas in a bathtub for the amusement of humans.

Posted by DonAmanMarat

I'd take my bowie knife and cut out a nice slice of steak. Sirloin anyone? Going once going twice.

Posted by DonAmanMarat
You know?
Life of a chicken, cow, pig is quite miserable.
What do they do for you, then just jump round in their own crap?
We should thank butchers, hunters for dealing these miserable beings an early death.
This cow was begging for DEATH..with its teeth bared, head bowed and butcher does it a great service.

what are you talking about, it is well documented that pigs are more intelligent than dogs. they are also clean animals and very intelligent. they take very good care of their young. chickens and cows are highly sentient beings. cows mourn and cry for weeks when their babies are taken away. their lives are not naturally miserable. we confine them to factory farms and take away all of their rights to life. your ignorance is incredible.

Posted by KittenLaRouge

Posted by DonAmanMarat
You know?
Life of a chicken, cow, pig is quite miserable.
What do they do for you, then just jump round in their own crap?
We should thank butchers, hunters for dealing these miserable beings an early death.
This cow was begging for DEATH..with its teeth bared, head bowed and butcher does it a great service.

what are you talking about, it is well documented that pigs are more intelligent than dogs. they are also clean animals and very intelligent. they take very good care of their young. chickens and cows are highly sentient beings. cows mourn and cry for weeks when their babies are taken away. their lives are not naturally miserable. we confine them to factory farms and take away all of their rights to life. your ignorance is incredible.

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I can't speak for Don. But the Butcher who cut up this Sirloin was very intelligent in his cutting technique. Very clean cut and it simply tasted incredible. That Cow is serving a better purpose, in my stomach.

Posted by DonAmanMarat
People who hunt and kill animals for sport are who piss me off.
They simply kill for the pleasure of watching it die.
Leave it to rot, and move on to next victim.
If you decide to kill something, USE IT!
Wear the skin.
Eat the Flesh and Bones.
Leave NOTHING to waste.
All they have is our's for the taking.

ok but that's not reality and that's not the way it is and hasn't been for thousands of years.

Posted by fishinamaize

Posted by DonAmanMarat
People who hunt and kill animals for sport are who piss me off.
They simply kill for the pleasure of watching it die.
Leave it to rot, and move on to next victim.
If you decide to kill something, USE IT!
Wear the skin.
Eat the Flesh and Bones.
Leave NOTHING to waste.
All they have is our's for the taking.

Just like all the other animals do, right?

wait...

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others animals don't enslave and confine animals on massive factory farms to fill up mcdonald's and kfc's to stuff obese people with heart disease and diabetes. most of which the product goes to waste. carnivores like lions eat what they need and they eat all of it. the comparison is so ludicrous it doesn't even deserve a response.

Posted by fishinamaize

Posted by KittenLaRouge

Posted by fishinamaize

Posted by DonAmanMarat
People who hunt and kill animals for sport are who piss me off.
They simply kill for the pleasure of watching it die.
Leave it to rot, and move on to next victim.
If you decide to kill something, USE IT!
Wear the skin.
Eat the Flesh and Bones.
Leave NOTHING to waste.
All they have is our's for the taking.

Just like all the other animals do, right?

wait...

others animals can't enslave and confine animals on massive factory farms to fill up mcdonald's and kfc's to stuff obese people with heart disease and diabetes. most of which the product goes to waste. carnivores like lions eat what they need and they eat all of it. the comparison is so ludicrous it doesn't even deserve a response.

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indeed. which is why they deserve our protection, not our exploitation. humans have a nasty habit of exploiting the weak.

Posted by DonAmanMarat
Overall as males...

Its very important to consume red meat AT LEAST ONCE A WEEK!
We need the saturated fats, zincs and VITAMIN Bs for healthy, natural production of testerone.
Stick to the 8-10% Fat variety to keep fat consumption reasonable.

We need up to 70 grams of fat for healthy sex drive...YES! UP TO 70 grams of fat.


EAT YOUR MEAT.

bullshit don. tell that to vegan bodybuilders, athletes, triathaletes and mma fighters who gave up dead animals are in better shape than ever