Introvert vs Extrovert in the workplace

Any introverts here? Are you in a job dominated by extroverts? How do you cope?

The reason I ask is my team was consist of the following signs when I joined the business: Aries manager, 2 Libras, a virgo and 2 Geminis and needless to say, the environment was amazing. It was grounded. We are friends and absolutely love each other and trust each other. Very little self promotion. We just get things done.

However, over the last 2 years, the team has changed. Manager moved on for her own personal growth and sanity, both Libras left, virgo got fired and the other gemini got fired as well. In my team now, there's only me (gemini), another gemini who I absolutely love working with and then an Aries manager and a sag. Now.. The environment has turned into a highly political enviroent with lots of self promotion and not to mention, passive aggressive comments, rude jokes mostly started by the 2 fire signs. Not to say I'm no fun. I like having fun at work too. Just not as intense as these two who dominates every fucking meeting and almost the entire slack channel. And quite honestly, it also feels that because they are so loud, people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise.

I'm not enjoying my work environment anymore because of this. How would you cope in this environment?

Posted by Bumboklaat

I was just thinking about this. Cause I recently moved to a different town and everyone is super serious and keeps to themselves.

Im kind of halfway, I can be extroverted but I certainly know how not to be lame and be the only one yelling.

Some people like to show off in lame ways.

I can be halfway too. I think that's fine and it's OK to be loud in small doses as well. I just feel like I find myself not enjoying team meetings now or even looking at the slack channel because I know who's in it and who has the most to say. I really want to adapt or sometimes not mind them but it's hard when they both are the in your face type. Like they literally tag me in some chats which I don't think I need to participate in.

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I was just thinking about this. Cause I recently moved to a different town and everyone is super serious and keeps to themselves.

Im kind of halfway, I can be extroverted but I certainly know how not to be lame and be the only one yelling.

Some people like to show off in lame ways.

I can be halfway too. I think that's fine and it's OK to be loud in small doses as well. I just feel like I find myself not enjoying team meetings now or even looking at the slack channel because I know who's in it and who has the most to say. I really want to adapt or sometimes not mind them but it's hard when they both are the in your face type. Like they literally tag me in some chats which I don't think I need to participate in.

Yeah. Going back to your original question, I usually do have to cope with those type of environments, but I can handle my own self confidence so it's just annoying to hear people yelling all the time especially when you have to concentrate. Usually people who mess around during work are usually bad workers and lack concentration. They're probably in the wrong job field.

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I agree with that. What I hate the most is getting unexpected calls from them when I'm trying to concentrate. It messes up my schedule lololol Also today, both Co workers were praising each other in the company group chat again. When they're not the only ones who have an achievement this week. I felt like it's not become a competition and I chimed in and praised another coworker that they didn't mention at all and mentioned my own achievement this week as well. It feels like other people's performance are drowning when the extroverts talk because when they talk too much about their achievements it almost sounds so real like they've really done well even though truth is they didn't. And I kind of hate the feeling like it's a competition. But at the same time if I don't make my voice known, I feel I'm gonna passed on for opportunities within the business.

Posted by FUCKTHISACCOUNTTOO

The most dangerous people are work are single ppl with no life. they dont go outside and they think they are heroes in their work. those are proud slaves' be careful cuz u might be the next getting fired



what i have done

- ion invest and do the strict minimum, i do my part and i go home no time for this BS

- i say the raw truth,

- i am bluntflully mean but indirectly at the same time.

- ignore them, wear high fashion clothes.

"what you done yesterday ? ah nothing ? ok i have to go" -> this is pure violence



but i dont got good advice because been fired, but im happy wiz that

I think getting fired is not in the cards at the moment. I'm still the top performer in the team. But my success was purely results based and have not once praised myself for any of my hardwork. These days tho, I feel like I'm pushed to do it or everyone will think I'm not performing because the two kept talking about how great they are. Like for example, they closed one to two deals and they announce it like its so big. Like it's such a massive thing. I closed 15 deals already and I didn't talk about it. I got fed up today that I actually intentionally self promoted as well like they do. Which is not me. And in the end I actually felt quite bad doing that as its out of character for me.

This whole world is dominated by extroverts. Not very many of us introverts. They are taking over our world. Yes I said OUR world. Introverts were here first. At the workplace it's worst. That's all I got to contribute.

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The most dangerous people are work are single ppl with no life. they dont go outside and they think they are heroes in their work. those are proud slaves' be careful cuz u might be the next getting fired



what i have done

- ion invest and do the strict minimum, i do my part and i go home no time for this BS

- i say the raw truth,

- i am bluntflully mean but indirectly at the same time.

- ignore them, wear high fashion clothes.

"what you done yesterday ? ah nothing ? ok i have to go" -> this is pure violence



but i dont got good advice because been fired, but im happy wiz that

I think getting fired is not in the cards at the moment. I'm still the top performer in the team. But my success was purely results based and have not once praised myself for any of my hardwork. These days tho, I feel like I'm pushed to do it or everyone will think I'm not performing because the two kept talking about how great they are. Like for example, they closed one to two deals and they announce it like its so big. Like it's such a massive thing. I closed 15 deals already and I didn't talk about it. I got fed up today that I actually intentionally self promoted as well like they do. Which is not me. And in the end I actually felt quite bad doing that as its out of character for me.

idk i dont like to give advice because i'm not in ur positions,

generaly i do less talk more work, and i dont fux wiz those people. and if i have to talk to someone is the big boss only.

but when u too good ppl try to destroy you, thats why they tag u in some rando chat'

idk stay true to urself or burnout coming soon

can u fake friends with them or they are str8 not interessing ppl?

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I can be fake friends with them by pretending to laugh at their rude jokes or pretend I didn't see it in the chat. I do less talk and more work as well. If anything, I'd prefer to spend my time on my son than chat with them.

Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

This whole world is dominated by extroverts. Not very many of us introverts. They are taking over our world. Yes I said OUR world. Introverts were here first. At the workplace it's worst. That's all I got to contribute.

Yeah. It's hard in the workplace because most of the get political.

Posted by ATGR

Sounds like it’s not an introvert / extrovert issue necessarily but more that you just feel like you’re taken for granted. Is there much demand for your job? Could you move somewhere else?

Why did the Virgo get fired? LMAO 🤣

Taken for granted was fine the last few years tbh. Because the origi Al culture was work, get shit done and then live your personal life as a human being haha. No one was really ever into praises or self promotion. The praise comes in dollars when we get a healthy bonus. Don't get me wrong. Me and the original team were tight. If someone is having it hard, we help and not ask for anything in return. But all the praising and self promotion recently is making me and others feel like it's a competition. Like should we help this person or not because if she succeeds, she's gonna get praised and our contribution won't even be acknowledged.

Virgo got fired for under performance after our aries manager left. The new aries manager basically gave the remaining people a hard time except for me because I was performing. But he is clearly best buds with the sag lady as they kept kissing each others ass in the company group chat.

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Posted by FUCKTHISACCOUNTTOO

The most dangerous people are work are single ppl with no life. they dont go outside and they think they are heroes in their work. those are proud slaves' be careful cuz u might be the next getting fired



what i have done

- ion invest and do the strict minimum, i do my part and i go home no time for this BS

- i say the raw truth,

- i am bluntflully mean but indirectly at the same time.

- ignore them, wear high fashion clothes.

"what you done yesterday ? ah nothing ? ok i have to go" -> this is pure violence



but i dont got good advice because been fired, but im happy wiz that

I think getting fired is not in the cards at the moment. I'm still the top performer in the team. But my success was purely results based and have not once praised myself for any of my hardwork. These days tho, I feel like I'm pushed to do it or everyone will think I'm not performing because the two kept talking about how great they are. Like for example, they closed one to two deals and they announce it like its so big. Like it's such a massive thing. I closed 15 deals already and I didn't talk about it. I got fed up today that I actually intentionally self promoted as well like they do. Which is not me. And in the end I actually felt quite bad doing that as its out of character for me.

idk i dont like to give advice because i'm not in ur positions,

generaly i do less talk more work, and i dont fux wiz those people. and if i have to talk to someone is the big boss only.

but when u too good ppl try to destroy you, thats why they tag u in some rando chat'

idk stay true to urself or burnout coming soon

can u fake friends with them or they are str8 not interessing ppl?

I can be fake friends with them by pretending to laugh at their rude jokes or pretend I didn't see it in the chat. I do less talk and more work as well. If anything, I'd prefer to spend my time on my son than chat with them.

to my experience those people have nothing, never had relationship, no kids, not even a hobby. focus on your son they are vampire

why the guy u worked wiz got fired

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Virgo got fired for underperformance. Same with he other gemini. Libra left because she absolutely hated the new manager and the kept fighting everyday

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Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

This whole world is dominated by extroverts. Not very many of us introverts. They are taking over our world. Yes I said OUR world. Introverts were here first. At the workplace it's worst. That's all I got to contribute.

Yeah. It's hard in the workplace because most of the get political.

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I haven't had a 9 to 5'ver hard labor job getting paid by the hour and time clock in ages. And when I was it was all talks, mingling and bullshitting more than people actually working. I was really talking about the vast majority of co workers mixing and mingling up as if their out on the streets. I've worked with people who talks too much to me while I'm trying to concentrate on my work and it bugs me. And come lunch time it gets even worst. What makes people think I wanna talk while I'm eating?

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The most dangerous people are work are single ppl with no life. they dont go outside and they think they are heroes in their work. those are proud slaves' be careful cuz u might be the next getting fired



what i have done

- ion invest and do the strict minimum, i do my part and i go home no time for this BS

- i say the raw truth,

- i am bluntflully mean but indirectly at the same time.

- ignore them, wear high fashion clothes.

"what you done yesterday ? ah nothing ? ok i have to go" -> this is pure violence



but i dont got good advice because been fired, but im happy wiz that

I think getting fired is not in the cards at the moment. I'm still the top performer in the team. But my success was purely results based and have not once praised myself for any of my hardwork. These days tho, I feel like I'm pushed to do it or everyone will think I'm not performing because the two kept talking about how great they are. Like for example, they closed one to two deals and they announce it like its so big. Like it's such a massive thing. I closed 15 deals already and I didn't talk about it. I got fed up today that I actually intentionally self promoted as well like they do. Which is not me. And in the end I actually felt quite bad doing that as its out of character for me.

idk i dont like to give advice because i'm not in ur positions,

generaly i do less talk more work, and i dont fux wiz those people. and if i have to talk to someone is the big boss only.

but when u too good ppl try to destroy you, thats why they tag u in some rando chat'

idk stay true to urself or burnout coming soon

can u fake friends with them or they are str8 not interessing ppl?

I can be fake friends with them by pretending to laugh at their rude jokes or pretend I didn't see it in the chat. I do less talk and more work as well. If anything, I'd prefer to spend my time on my son than chat with them.

to my experience those people have nothing, never had relationship, no kids, not even a hobby. focus on your son they are vampire

why the guy u worked wiz got fired

Virgo got fired for underperformance. Same with he other gemini. Libra left because she absolutely hated the new manager and the kept fighting everyday

does the underperformance started when the new cringer ppl arrived

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Yes! With the previous manager, because we all got on well with each other, we had more of a support system. Like if someone can't close their deals, one of us have a strength in that area, then we help out. Because we operate as a real team. If everyone is closing their deals then we are a solid team than just one person closing his deals. And if we were asked to do something that isn't part of our job, our previous manager would tell management to fuck off. When sheeft we kinda lost that. The new manager's motto is as long as management is happy, we are happy. Regardless if we have to do tasks that's no longer part of our job description.

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I was just thinking about this. Cause I recently moved to a different town and everyone is super serious and keeps to themselves.

Im kind of halfway, I can be extroverted but I certainly know how not to be lame and be the only one yelling.

Some people like to show off in lame ways.

I can be halfway too. I think that's fine and it's OK to be loud in small doses as well. I just feel like I find myself not enjoying team meetings now or even looking at the slack channel because I know who's in it and who has the most to say. I really want to adapt or sometimes not mind them but it's hard when they both are the in your face type. Like they literally tag me in some chats which I don't think I need to participate in.

Yeah. Going back to your original question, I usually do have to cope with those type of environments, but I can handle my own self confidence so it's just annoying to hear people yelling all the time especially when you have to concentrate. Usually people who mess around during work are usually bad workers and lack concentration. They're probably in the wrong job field.

I agree with that. What I hate the most is getting unexpected calls from them when I'm trying to concentrate. It messes up my schedule lololol Also today, both Co workers were praising each other in the company group chat again. When they're not the only ones who have an achievement this week. I felt like it's not become a competition and I chimed in and praised another coworker that they didn't mention at all and mentioned my own achievement this week as well. It feels like other people's performance are drowning when the extroverts talk because when they talk too much about their achievements it almost sounds so real like they've really done well even though truth is they didn't. And I kind of hate the feeling like it's a competition. But at the same time if I don't make my voice known, I feel I'm gonna passed on for opportunities within the business.

I almost never praise myself and let others do it for me that's when it hits the hardest imo. I'm a quiet person most of the time but know my timing.

Also extroversion is not only people who are loud and boisterous imo. Extroversion can be the ability to be outgoing in any situation.

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It's what I used to do. I used to just work quietly. Make sure I do everything that I need to do to achieve the results. It did me well. I am uncomfortable praising myself in public and even if someone praises me, I sometimes don't know how to react apart from saying thank you.

They're extremely extroverted in my opinion. And quite political which is hard for me to navigate because of my personality. The type who would praise the boss for saying something stupid during a meeting kind of political. Quite frankly, part of me wishes I can do that. But it's really not in me. If anything, I usually thank and praise the contributors in our job who does small bits of the work but without them, the results won't be there like the one who created the presentation as an example. Part of my job is to manage the client presentation and make sure it's worth presenting. But sometimes there's someone in my team who does the editing and I just check it and change bits that I think need to be changed.

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Posted by Jumpin_Jupiter

This whole world is dominated by extroverts. Not very many of us introverts. They are taking over our world. Yes I said OUR world. Introverts were here first. At the workplace it's worst. That's all I got to contribute.

Introverts dominate the world of popular culture.

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Maybe I come from a different culture or something. Id really like to know my background from the web without having to pay for it. Or my ancestor if that has anything to do with it.

Of course I'm just talking out my mind. I know I'm American. And America is extroverted to say it's a cancer.

Posted by DragonSag

Well basically you get that cause you have Aries manager. S/he only needed one more fire to pat their shoulder to become their true self. And Sag is with them cause fire naturally gets along, plus it's a manager, s/he may prefer stayibg close to them cause of that position only.

I know people have various sing in their work place and they rarely have that issue. Issue usually appears when boss is woman and usually Cap or Aries. Males are fine mostly. What can you do about your situation? Tried telling them they're crossing lines? Cause believe it or not Aries and Sag may not realize they're being rude at all and it may become their normal attitude cause they think people find them interesting that way. It may aound stupid but that's how it is. Aries friend I had at first used to bully me. Believe it or not, she was literally bullying me and idk how exactly we became friends. Later I met another Aries that became super friendly, only to literally to stab me in the back by sticking into asses of some other people who she found more useful and she lied all sorts of things about me. I stopped being feiends with Pisces cause he believed her lies, she told him that I said some horrible things about him and he believed her 🤷🏼‍♀️ they can be like that. So it sounds like you got two fire signs who are the same kind of people and that makes your life harder but sometimes it works to simply tell them what they are doing is wrong cause they might not even realize it

P.S. I'm not that kind of Sag, my personality type is INTP so all I wrote is from a perspective of introvert as well.

Thank you for that. I think they could be unaware of how annoying they can get when they praise each other all the time. They're both in their 40's and I'm younger than both. I'm not sure they will take it well haha. I guess I just kinda miss my peace. It makes me sad because I actually enjoy my job. But these days I'm getting stressed with them.

Damm this why i want to have my own remote business. Office politics and loudmouth`s gives me headaches.

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Posted by FUCKTHISACCOUNTTOO

The most dangerous people are work are single ppl with no life. they dont go outside and they think they are heroes in their work. those are proud slaves' be careful cuz u might be the next getting fired



what i have done

- ion invest and do the strict minimum, i do my part and i go home no time for this BS

- i say the raw truth,

- i am bluntflully mean but indirectly at the same time.

- ignore them, wear high fashion clothes.

"what you done yesterday ? ah nothing ? ok i have to go" -> this is pure violence



but i dont got good advice because been fired, but im happy wiz that

I think getting fired is not in the cards at the moment. I'm still the top performer in the team. But my success was purely results based and have not once praised myself for any of my hardwork. These days tho, I feel like I'm pushed to do it or everyone will think I'm not performing because the two kept talking about how great they are. Like for example, they closed one to two deals and they announce it like its so big. Like it's such a massive thing. I closed 15 deals already and I didn't talk about it. I got fed up today that I actually intentionally self promoted as well like they do. Which is not me. And in the end I actually felt quite bad doing that as its out of character for me.

I am totally feeling you on the subject of acting out of my character and feeling crappy afterwards.

So hon, start looking for a new job because it has to be done anyway. Same company will never pay you as much as a new company hiring yu for your outstanding performance.

When you will be going for the interviews - you will feel better already. Do NOT let yourself being so good and miserable.

Just start looking to see what is out there...you might be amazed!

Not sure if you are in USA but we have shitload of jobs open and nobody to take them. Think Merck Pharmaceutical...they paying awesomely. I am under another obligation but my next will be them. Good luck

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Thank you! One friend of mine who left the company is actually poaching me to join the company she moved to. That was back in June. I told her to give me until this December to think about it. And now I'm really seriously considering it.

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Posted by FUCKTHISACCOUNTTOO

The most dangerous people are work are single ppl with no life. they dont go outside and they think they are heroes in their work. those are proud slaves' be careful cuz u might be the next getting fired



what i have done

- ion invest and do the strict minimum, i do my part and i go home no time for this BS

- i say the raw truth,

- i am bluntflully mean but indirectly at the same time.

- ignore them, wear high fashion clothes.

"what you done yesterday ? ah nothing ? ok i have to go" -> this is pure violence



but i dont got good advice because been fired, but im happy wiz that

I think getting fired is not in the cards at the moment. I'm still the top performer in the team. But my success was purely results based and have not once praised myself for any of my hardwork. These days tho, I feel like I'm pushed to do it or everyone will think I'm not performing because the two kept talking about how great they are. Like for example, they closed one to two deals and they announce it like its so big. Like it's such a massive thing. I closed 15 deals already and I didn't talk about it. I got fed up today that I actually intentionally self promoted as well like they do. Which is not me. And in the end I actually felt quite bad doing that as its out of character for me.

I think they feel insecure around you since you're the top performer, that's why they need to boast about their little performance just to feel good enough about themselves, I don't think you should downgrade to their level keep doing your best and look for better opportunities where you can grow cause you seem like you've already plateaued in this place.

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I actually get jokes like "you should all be like (my name)" whenever we have a meeting as for sure I've done my reports earlier than required. Or the other day, the manager asked us to submit something and I wasn't able to do it and he said "(my name) is so slow" with a snail emoticon then sag lady responded "tell us what you really think about her (manager's name)". It's probably not offensive to anyone but I feel the sarcasm sometimes or the passive aggressive jabs when they can. I promised myself that after today I'm not gonna do self promotion ever again as it really stressed me out lol its just not me. I don't enjoy competing with coworkers. If anything, I just enjoy doing my thing.

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I was just thinking about this. Cause I recently moved to a different town and everyone is super serious and keeps to themselves.

Im kind of halfway, I can be extroverted but I certainly know how not to be lame and be the only one yelling.

Some people like to show off in lame ways.

I can be halfway too. I think that's fine and it's OK to be loud in small doses as well. I just feel like I find myself not enjoying team meetings now or even looking at the slack channel because I know who's in it and who has the most to say. I really want to adapt or sometimes not mind them but it's hard when they both are the in your face type. Like they literally tag me in some chats which I don't think I need to participate in.

Yeah. Going back to your original question, I usually do have to cope with those type of environments, but I can handle my own self confidence so it's just annoying to hear people yelling all the time especially when you have to concentrate. Usually people who mess around during work are usually bad workers and lack concentration. They're probably in the wrong job field.

I agree with that. What I hate the most is getting unexpected calls from them when I'm trying to concentrate. It messes up my schedule lololol Also today, both Co workers were praising each other in the company group chat again. When they're not the only ones who have an achievement this week. I felt like it's not become a competition and I chimed in and praised another coworker that they didn't mention at all and mentioned my own achievement this week as well. It feels like other people's performance are drowning when the extroverts talk because when they talk too much about their achievements it almost sounds so real like they've really done well even though truth is they didn't. And I kind of hate the feeling like it's a competition. But at the same time if I don't make my voice known, I feel I'm gonna passed on for opportunities within the business.

I almost never praise myself and let others do it for me that's when it hits the hardest imo. I'm a quiet person most of the time but know my timing.

Also extroversion is not only people who are loud and boisterous imo. Extroversion can be the ability to be outgoing in any situation.

It's what I used to do. I used to just work quietly. Make sure I do everything that I need to do to achieve the results. It did me well. I am uncomfortable praising myself in public and even if someone praises me, I sometimes don't know how to react apart from saying thank you.

They're extremely extroverted in my opinion. And quite political which is hard for me to navigate because of my personality. The type who would praise the boss for saying something stupid during a meeting kind of political. Quite frankly, part of me wishes I can do that. But it's really not in me. If anything, I usually thank and praise the contributors in our job who does small bits of the work but without them, the results won't be there like the one who created the presentation as an example. Part of my job is to manage the client presentation and make sure it's worth presenting. But sometimes there's someone in my team who does the editing and I just check it and change bits that I think need to be changed.

I see. What you're referring to is a brown noser. What I've noticed about those people is they are not very independent and consequentially always fit that role of minion. In my current job I am quiet because everyone has a relative or a friend that works there but I always value my independence and self sufficiency. It's a rare trait nowadays.

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You are right. The sag lady isn't independent at all. In fact she's asking for help from everyone. To find leads, do her presentation etc and then spends her energy brown nosing people. I operate pretty much like you. I started from the lowest position in my industry and worked my way up and I have perfected every stage of it. I'm independent in a sense that if we're missing one person to do a part of the role, I can jump on it quite easily and do their job. And I would not even talk about it. But the lady I work with, apart from other people does part of her job, when the recognition is given, she really takes credit for it. Nevermind all the help she got.

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Well basically you get that cause you have Aries manager. S/he only needed one more fire to pat their shoulder to become their true self. And Sag is with them cause fire naturally gets along, plus it's a manager, s/he may prefer stayibg close to them cause of that position only.

I know people have various sing in their work place and they rarely have that issue. Issue usually appears when boss is woman and usually Cap or Aries. Males are fine mostly. What can you do about your situation? Tried telling them they're crossing lines? Cause believe it or not Aries and Sag may not realize they're being rude at all and it may become their normal attitude cause they think people find them interesting that way. It may aound stupid but that's how it is. Aries friend I had at first used to bully me. Believe it or not, she was literally bullying me and idk how exactly we became friends. Later I met another Aries that became super friendly, only to literally to stab me in the back by sticking into asses of some other people who she found more useful and she lied all sorts of things about me. I stopped being feiends with Pisces cause he believed her lies, she told him that I said some horrible things about him and he believed her 🤷🏼‍♀️ they can be like that. So it sounds like you got two fire signs who are the same kind of people and that makes your life harder but sometimes it works to simply tell them what they are doing is wrong cause they might not even realize it

P.S. I'm not that kind of Sag, my personality type is INTP so all I wrote is from a perspective of introvert as well.

Thank you for that. I think they could be unaware of how annoying they can get when they praise each other all the time. They're both in their 40's and I'm younger than both. I'm not sure they will take it well haha. I guess I just kinda miss my peace. It makes me sad because I actually enjoy my job. But these days I'm getting stressed with them.

Good thing is that fire signs don't get offended easily, so I doubt they would take it too bad. I had that Aries friend once ask me is she really that arrogant as people seem to see her and I told her YES! They really can be unaware that they're like that sometimes. And Sags easily pick on energy of those that they get along with so they become more like them - you know that mutable energy lol I hope you get things going in better direction with them and wish you more plaesent times at your job again

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I sure hope so. I like working in peace. My only wish is to be left quietly to do my job 😂 I'm really a simple being at work lololol

Posted by Eyeroll

I am an introvert but not at the expense of my performance. I work with all 3 water signs and they will have us take a huge loss rather than speak up or appear what they deem as confrontational. Or even do sneaky things behind the scenes like change the costs for materials on a job after it’s already been quoted to the customer. The lengths that they will go to to avoid confrontation can be maddening. On the other hand my boss is a Sagittarius and he can be a bit much to the other extreme. It’s a delicate balance.

Is your sag boss the delegator type?

Posted by Parkourler

Damm this why i want to have my own remote business. Office politics and loudmouth`s gives me headaches.

We work remotely 5 days a week and it's still a problem. Politics find their way in remote work as well. Or it's possibly also in hiring people that aren't a culture match as even the interviews now are done via zoom.

Posted by BaeMaxx

Any introverts here? Are you in a job dominated by extroverts? How do you cope?

The reason I ask is my team was consist of the following signs when I joined the business: Aries manager, 2 Libras, a virgo and 2 Geminis and needless to say, the environment was amazing. It was grounded. We are friends and absolutely love each other and trust each other. Very little self promotion. We just get things done.

However, over the last 2 years, the team has changed. Manager moved on for her own personal growth and sanity, both Libras left, virgo got fired and the other gemini got fired as well. In my team now, there's only me (gemini), another gemini who I absolutely love working with and then an Aries manager and a sag. Now.. The environment has turned into a highly political enviroent with lots of self promotion and not to mention, passive aggressive comments, rude jokes mostly started by the 2 fire signs. Not to say I'm no fun. I like having fun at work too. Just not as intense as these two who dominates every fucking meeting and almost the entire slack channel. And quite honestly, it also feels that because they are so loud, people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise.

I'm not enjoying my work environment anymore because of this. How would you cope in this environment?

Omnivert here.

I really only talk about things I know about and passionate about. As well as jokes.

I don't fight to put my 2 cents in. I just add to the conversation when I have something useful to say.

If I had a better social life I'm sure I wouldn't care as much. If this is the case for you, start there.



This scenario sounds familiar to me, especially:

"people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise."

If you feel things are starting to becoming toxic and your own performance is suffering because of it(rely on this to do your job), move on while you can still get a good reference. And before you are forced too.

The other option is to take more responsibility getting things done and slowly taking over. Get promoted and do things the right way.

I choose niether back then and suffered for it. Lol don't do that.

Posted by Lostthoughts

Posted by BaeMaxx

Any introverts here? Are you in a job dominated by extroverts? How do you cope?

The reason I ask is my team was consist of the following signs when I joined the business: Aries manager, 2 Libras, a virgo and 2 Geminis and needless to say, the environment was amazing. It was grounded. We are friends and absolutely love each other and trust each other. Very little self promotion. We just get things done.

However, over the last 2 years, the team has changed. Manager moved on for her own personal growth and sanity, both Libras left, virgo got fired and the other gemini got fired as well. In my team now, there's only me (gemini), another gemini who I absolutely love working with and then an Aries manager and a sag. Now.. The environment has turned into a highly political enviroent with lots of self promotion and not to mention, passive aggressive comments, rude jokes mostly started by the 2 fire signs. Not to say I'm no fun. I like having fun at work too. Just not as intense as these two who dominates every fucking meeting and almost the entire slack channel. And quite honestly, it also feels that because they are so loud, people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise.

I'm not enjoying my work environment anymore because of this. How would you cope in this environment?

Omnivert here.

I really only talk about things I know about and passionate about. As well as jokes.

I don't fight to put my 2 cents in. I just add to the conversation when I have something useful to say.

If I had a better social life I'm sure I wouldn't care as much. If this is the case for you, start there.



This scenario sounds familiar to me, especially:

"people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise."

If you feel things are starting to becoming toxic and your own performance is suffering because of it(rely on this to do your job), move on while you can still get a good reference. And before you are forced too.

The other option is to take more responsibility getting things done and slowly taking over. Get promoted and do things the right way.

I choose niether back then and suffered for it. Lol don't do that.

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I'm trying to put more control over my side of the business now. Truthfully, I never wanted to. But some of their ideas are ridiculous that I just could not stay quiet and say yes.

For example, Aries manager wanted us to do business development. It's a great idea. Don't get me wrong. However, that is not our job. We have BDM's in our firm who are supposed to be doing the business development themselves. They have that kpi. Our job is to close that deal once they have signed the client. Otherwise, if we do end to end, we will only be punishing ourselves because the partners actually get a massive bonus per deal which we are not entitled to. So I straight up said no because we do almost everything already. Its not really out job to do it. Another time, the manager said we should proactively talk to founders, ceo's etc even if we have nothing to offer them. Just do actual chat. Its a great idea. However, we don't operate like that. We are not doing work on a contingent basis. We are always and forever retained by our clients. That means that we will be wasting our time and the founders and ceo's time if we have nothing to offer them. So I asked to refine that project more.

Me in the past would not care to make such inputs. But I feel if I don't it will work against me.

Posted by Kachi

Is it an introvert vs extrovert issue?

People might have been fired for a reason?

Also, are you talking about obnoxious people? Introverts can be that way too.

The ones who were fired definitely had an issue. No doubt about that as they stopped performing when the new manager arrived. I don't know if they are called obnoxious. But they are political, loud and delegate so much of their own tasks to other people.

Mine is a bit balanced, especially nowadays. I install tile in kitchens and bathrooms, or pretty much anywhere really. That somewhat requires being able to talk with a homeowner, builder and other workers. Though I'm quite introverted tbh. I've developed a way to be kind, polite, and make sure the job is perfect when I'm done. Though when I'm concentrating on my job and people are trying to have basic conversation, I give off a vibe that isn't really rude but 100% makes people leave me alone. So it's like I will talk to you if it has to do with the job itself. Other then that, pretty much leave me alone and let me do my thing.

I kind of have it made because coworkers for me are people in the other trades, and we pretty much have absolutely nothing to do with each other. Sometimes we have to discuss a quick game plan on how we can do our jobs and not be in each other's way. Like if I'm laying a floor, and a drywall guy wants to seam the walls, we can figure out a way to do our jobs and not be in the way. It's as easy as "I'll work over here while you do your thing, then we will swap rooms.

So it requires little talking. Like I don't have to see these people anywhere but on the job, and even then many I'll never see again. So it's pretty easy to deal with people in construction imo.

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Posted by Lostthoughts

Posted by BaeMaxx

Any introverts here? Are you in a job dominated by extroverts? How do you cope?

The reason I ask is my team was consist of the following signs when I joined the business: Aries manager, 2 Libras, a virgo and 2 Geminis and needless to say, the environment was amazing. It was grounded. We are friends and absolutely love each other and trust each other. Very little self promotion. We just get things done.

However, over the last 2 years, the team has changed. Manager moved on for her own personal growth and sanity, both Libras left, virgo got fired and the other gemini got fired as well. In my team now, there's only me (gemini), another gemini who I absolutely love working with and then an Aries manager and a sag. Now.. The environment has turned into a highly political enviroent with lots of self promotion and not to mention, passive aggressive comments, rude jokes mostly started by the 2 fire signs. Not to say I'm no fun. I like having fun at work too. Just not as intense as these two who dominates every fucking meeting and almost the entire slack channel. And quite honestly, it also feels that because they are so loud, people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise.

I'm not enjoying my work environment anymore because of this. How would you cope in this environment?

Omnivert here.

I really only talk about things I know about and passionate about. As well as jokes.

I don't fight to put my 2 cents in. I just add to the conversation when I have something useful to say.

If I had a better social life I'm sure I wouldn't care as much. If this is the case for you, start there.



This scenario sounds familiar to me, especially:

"people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise."

If you feel things are starting to becoming toxic and your own performance is suffering because of it(rely on this to do your job), move on while you can still get a good reference. And before you are forced too.

The other option is to take more responsibility getting things done and slowly taking over. Get promoted and do things the right way.

I choose niether back then and suffered for it. Lol don't do that.

I'm trying to put more control over my side of the business now. Truthfully, I never wanted to. But some of their ideas are ridiculous that I just could not stay quiet and say yes.

For example, Aries manager wanted us to do business development. It's a great idea. Don't get me wrong. However, that is not our job. We have BDM's in our firm who are supposed to be doing the business development themselves. They have that kpi. Our job is to close that deal once they have signed the client. Otherwise, if we do end to end, we will only be punishing ourselves because the partners actually get a massive bonus per deal which we are not entitled to. So I straight up said no because we do almost everything already. Its not really out job to do it. Another time, the manager said we should proactively talk to founders, ceo's etc even if we have nothing to offer them. Just do actual chat. Its a great idea. However, we don't operate like that. We are not doing work on a contingent basis. We are always and forever retained by our clients. That means that we will be wasting our time and the founders and ceo's time if we have nothing to offer them. So I asked to refine that project more.

Me in the past would not care to make such inputs. But I feel if I don't it will work against me.

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That is all very solid.

It sounds like your manager is trying to standout and do more productivity wise.

I suggest modifying his suggestions. Any suggestions along those lines that would improve performance of your department and/or stream line your relationship with the other departments?

For instance anything that you see can be changed with BDM that would improve your departments stats?

It sounds like you have a solid head on your shoulders and understand your job and department. Utilize this and step up a bit. Coronate with your manager to do this.

Trust me, there will be growing pains and uncomfortable at first but it will make your life easier over time.

Posted by Lostthoughts

Posted by BaeMaxx

Posted by Lostthoughts

Posted by BaeMaxx

Any introverts here? Are you in a job dominated by extroverts? How do you cope?

The reason I ask is my team was consist of the following signs when I joined the business: Aries manager, 2 Libras, a virgo and 2 Geminis and needless to say, the environment was amazing. It was grounded. We are friends and absolutely love each other and trust each other. Very little self promotion. We just get things done.

However, over the last 2 years, the team has changed. Manager moved on for her own personal growth and sanity, both Libras left, virgo got fired and the other gemini got fired as well. In my team now, there's only me (gemini), another gemini who I absolutely love working with and then an Aries manager and a sag. Now.. The environment has turned into a highly political enviroent with lots of self promotion and not to mention, passive aggressive comments, rude jokes mostly started by the 2 fire signs. Not to say I'm no fun. I like having fun at work too. Just not as intense as these two who dominates every fucking meeting and almost the entire slack channel. And quite honestly, it also feels that because they are so loud, people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise.

I'm not enjoying my work environment anymore because of this. How would you cope in this environment?

Omnivert here.

I really only talk about things I know about and passionate about. As well as jokes.

I don't fight to put my 2 cents in. I just add to the conversation when I have something useful to say.

If I had a better social life I'm sure I wouldn't care as much. If this is the case for you, start there.



This scenario sounds familiar to me, especially:

"people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise."

If you feel things are starting to becoming toxic and your own performance is suffering because of it(rely on this to do your job), move on while you can still get a good reference. And before you are forced too.

The other option is to take more responsibility getting things done and slowly taking over. Get promoted and do things the right way.

I choose niether back then and suffered for it. Lol don't do that.

I'm trying to put more control over my side of the business now. Truthfully, I never wanted to. But some of their ideas are ridiculous that I just could not stay quiet and say yes.

For example, Aries manager wanted us to do business development. It's a great idea. Don't get me wrong. However, that is not our job. We have BDM's in our firm who are supposed to be doing the business development themselves. They have that kpi. Our job is to close that deal once they have signed the client. Otherwise, if we do end to end, we will only be punishing ourselves because the bdm's actually get a massive bonus per deal which we are not entitled to. So I straight up said no because we do almost everything already. Its not really out job to do it. Another time, the manager said we should proactively talk to founders, ceo's etc even if we have nothing to offer them. Just do actual chat. Its a great idea. However, we don't operate like that. We are not doing work on a contingent basis. We are always and forever retained by our clients. That means that we will be wasting our time and the founders and ceo's time if we have nothing to offer them. So I asked to refine that project more.

Me in the past would not care to make such inputs. But I feel if I don't it will work against me.

That is all very solid.

It sounds like your manager is trying to standout and do more productivity wise.

I suggest modifying his suggestions. Any suggestions along those lines that would improve performance of your department and/or stream line your relationship with the other departments?

For instance anything that you see can be changed with BDM that would improve your departments stats?

It sounds like you have a solid head on your shoulders and understand your job and department. Utilize this and step up a bit. Coronate with your manager to do this.

Trust me, there will be growing pains and uncomfortable at first but it will make your life easier over time.

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He is. And I understand that. When you're new and you want things to workout, you really need to step up. Regarding the business development bit, I told him if I have a lead, I usually send it to the bdm's to chase up. And I suggested that we continue to do that. We need to give the bdm's the opportunity to do their job otherwise we are competing with their role than actually complimenting them. With reaching out to ceo's I suggested that we pass it on to our media team. We have a team who actually makes content interviewing ceo's and that can establish relationships. It's a win win because its press for the ceo's especially those looking for funding and it's a network for us. I also suggested that we refine building the database. Like segment it a bit more. He gave very wide sint ructions to the staff who will do it and the staff might get overwhelmed which is what I have experienced in the past when I did it. I take his ideas and I suggest better ways to refine it. Believe me, I'm trying to be collaborative. I think what puts me off is just the self promotion between him and the sag lady. It really makes me cringe wahahaha. I'm so bad 😢

Posted by BaeMaxx

Posted by Lostthoughts

Posted by BaeMaxx

Posted by Lostthoughts

Posted by BaeMaxx

Any introverts here? Are you in a job dominated by extroverts? How do you cope?

The reason I ask is my team was consist of the following signs when I joined the business: Aries manager, 2 Libras, a virgo and 2 Geminis and needless to say, the environment was amazing. It was grounded. We are friends and absolutely love each other and trust each other. Very little self promotion. We just get things done.

However, over the last 2 years, the team has changed. Manager moved on for her own personal growth and sanity, both Libras left, virgo got fired and the other gemini got fired as well. In my team now, there's only me (gemini), another gemini who I absolutely love working with and then an Aries manager and a sag. Now.. The environment has turned into a highly political enviroent with lots of self promotion and not to mention, passive aggressive comments, rude jokes mostly started by the 2 fire signs. Not to say I'm no fun. I like having fun at work too. Just not as intense as these two who dominates every fucking meeting and almost the entire slack channel. And quite honestly, it also feels that because they are so loud, people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise.

I'm not enjoying my work environment anymore because of this. How would you cope in this environment?

Omnivert here.

I really only talk about things I know about and passionate about. As well as jokes.

I don't fight to put my 2 cents in. I just add to the conversation when I have something useful to say.

If I had a better social life I'm sure I wouldn't care as much. If this is the case for you, start there.



This scenario sounds familiar to me, especially:

"people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise."

If you feel things are starting to becoming toxic and your own performance is suffering because of it(rely on this to do your job), move on while you can still get a good reference. And before you are forced too.

The other option is to take more responsibility getting things done and slowly taking over. Get promoted and do things the right way.

I choose niether back then and suffered for it. Lol don't do that.

I'm trying to put more control over my side of the business now. Truthfully, I never wanted to. But some of their ideas are ridiculous that I just could not stay quiet and say yes.

For example, Aries manager wanted us to do business development. It's a great idea. Don't get me wrong. However, that is not our job. We have BDM's in our firm who are supposed to be doing the business development themselves. They have that kpi. Our job is to close that deal once they have signed the client. Otherwise, if we do end to end, we will only be punishing ourselves because the bdm's actually get a massive bonus per deal which we are not entitled to. So I straight up said no because we do almost everything already. Its not really out job to do it. Another time, the manager said we should proactively talk to founders, ceo's etc even if we have nothing to offer them. Just do actual chat. Its a great idea. However, we don't operate like that. We are not doing work on a contingent basis. We are always and forever retained by our clients. That means that we will be wasting our time and the founders and ceo's time if we have nothing to offer them. So I asked to refine that project more.

Me in the past would not care to make such inputs. But I feel if I don't it will work against me.

That is all very solid.

It sounds like your manager is trying to standout and do more productivity wise.

I suggest modifying his suggestions. Any suggestions along those lines that would improve performance of your department and/or stream line your relationship with the other departments?

For instance anything that you see can be changed with BDM that would improve your departments stats?

It sounds like you have a solid head on your shoulders and understand your job and department. Utilize this and step up a bit. Coronate with your manager to do this.

Trust me, there will be growing pains and uncomfortable at first but it will make your life easier over time.

He is. And I understand that. When you're new and you want things to workout, you really need to step up. Regarding the business development bit, I told him if I have a lead, I usually send it to the bdm's to chase up. And I suggested that we continue to do that. We need to give the bdm's the opportunity to do their job otherwise we are competing with their role than actually complimenting them. With reaching out to ceo's I suggested that we pass it on to our media team. We have a team who actually makes content interviewing ceo's and that can establish relationships. It's a win win because its press for the ceo's especially those looking for funding and it's a network for us. I also suggested that we refine building the database. Like segment it a bit more. He gave very wide sint ructions to the staff who will do it and the staff might get overwhelmed which is what I have experienced in the past when I did it. I take his ideas and I suggest better ways to refine it. Believe me, I'm trying to be collaborative. I think what puts me off is just the self promotion between him and the sag lady. It really makes me cringe wahahaha. I'm so bad 😢

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I get it.

That's their deal, and thier way of contributing or elevating themselves in the team.

"What ever floats your boat but doesn't sink mine" comes to mind here.

Basically, So long as it doesn't blow back on you lol

From your descriptions, I wouldn't be surprised if the marketing department would be a better fit for them considering thier style .

Lol Annoying. Obviously your handing pretty well tho👍

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Posted by BaeMaxx

Posted by Lostthoughts

Posted by BaeMaxx

Posted by Lostthoughts

Posted by BaeMaxx

Any introverts here? Are you in a job dominated by extroverts? How do you cope?

The reason I ask is my team was consist of the following signs when I joined the business: Aries manager, 2 Libras, a virgo and 2 Geminis and needless to say, the environment was amazing. It was grounded. We are friends and absolutely love each other and trust each other. Very little self promotion. We just get things done.

However, over the last 2 years, the team has changed. Manager moved on for her own personal growth and sanity, both Libras left, virgo got fired and the other gemini got fired as well. In my team now, there's only me (gemini), another gemini who I absolutely love working with and then an Aries manager and a sag. Now.. The environment has turned into a highly political enviroent with lots of self promotion and not to mention, passive aggressive comments, rude jokes mostly started by the 2 fire signs. Not to say I'm no fun. I like having fun at work too. Just not as intense as these two who dominates every fucking meeting and almost the entire slack channel. And quite honestly, it also feels that because they are so loud, people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise.

I'm not enjoying my work environment anymore because of this. How would you cope in this environment?

Omnivert here.

I really only talk about things I know about and passionate about. As well as jokes.

I don't fight to put my 2 cents in. I just add to the conversation when I have something useful to say.

If I had a better social life I'm sure I wouldn't care as much. If this is the case for you, start there.



This scenario sounds familiar to me, especially:

"people are either afraid of them or like them thinking they are very confident people even if their performance says otherwise."

If you feel things are starting to becoming toxic and your own performance is suffering because of it(rely on this to do your job), move on while you can still get a good reference. And before you are forced too.

The other option is to take more responsibility getting things done and slowly taking over. Get promoted and do things the right way.

I choose niether back then and suffered for it. Lol don't do that.

I'm trying to put more control over my side of the business now. Truthfully, I never wanted to. But some of their ideas are ridiculous that I just could not stay quiet and say yes.

For example, Aries manager wanted us to do business development. It's a great idea. Don't get me wrong. However, that is not our job. We have BDM's in our firm who are supposed to be doing the business development themselves. They have that kpi. Our job is to close that deal once they have signed the client. Otherwise, if we do end to end, we will only be punishing ourselves because the bdm's actually get a massive bonus per deal which we are not entitled to. So I straight up said no because we do almost everything already. Its not really out job to do it. Another time, the manager said we should proactively talk to founders, ceo's etc even if we have nothing to offer them. Just do actual chat. Its a great idea. However, we don't operate like that. We are not doing work on a contingent basis. We are always and forever retained by our clients. That means that we will be wasting our time and the founders and ceo's time if we have nothing to offer them. So I asked to refine that project more.

Me in the past would not care to make such inputs. But I feel if I don't it will work against me.

That is all very solid.

It sounds like your manager is trying to standout and do more productivity wise.

I suggest modifying his suggestions. Any suggestions along those lines that would improve performance of your department and/or stream line your relationship with the other departments?

For instance anything that you see can be changed with BDM that would improve your departments stats?

It sounds like you have a solid head on your shoulders and understand your job and department. Utilize this and step up a bit. Coronate with your manager to do this.

Trust me, there will be growing pains and uncomfortable at first but it will make your life easier over time.

He is. And I understand that. When you're new and you want things to workout, you really need to step up. Regarding the business development bit, I told him if I have a lead, I usually send it to the bdm's to chase up. And I suggested that we continue to do that. We need to give the bdm's the opportunity to do their job otherwise we are competing with their role than actually complimenting them. With reaching out to ceo's I suggested that we pass it on to our media team. We have a team who actually makes content interviewing ceo's and that can establish relationships. It's a win win because its press for the ceo's especially those looking for funding and it's a network for us. I also suggested that we refine building the database. Like segment it a bit more. He gave very wide sint ructions to the staff who will do it and the staff might get overwhelmed which is what I have experienced in the past when I did it. I take his ideas and I suggest better ways to refine it. Believe me, I'm trying to be collaborative. I think what puts me off is just the self promotion between him and the sag lady. It really makes me cringe wahahaha. I'm so bad 😢

I get it.

That's their deal, and thier way of contributing or elevating themselves in the team.

"What ever floats your boat but doesn't sink mine" comes to mind here.

Basically, So long as it doesn't blow back on you lol

From your descriptions, I wouldn't be surprised if the marketing department would be a better fit for them considering thier style .

Lol Annoying. Obviously your handing pretty well tho👍

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That's really the biggest thing for me. They're fine to do that as long as it doesn't affect my business like the number of clients I work with or the kind of responsibilities I get. I'm trying to be patient. But of course if it gets too stressful, I have the option to eliminate myself from it and find another job instead. I'm giving it another 6 mos maybe.