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Is there any merit to the assertion that the men seem to like needy women or those with problems?

I've read about it before. the guy that dumped me recently was quite gloomy, had a negative outlook at a lot of things and he had been on one long term abusive relationship & one with a woman who was depressed. He stayed with these women long term even though they had trouble having normal relationships.

I am fairly stable with no real issues and am happy and positive, made him laugh a lot and he just bailed on me after very little time.
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Posted by TaurusAngel
Is there any merit to the assertion that the men seem to like needy women or those with problems?

I've read about it before. the guy that dumped me recently was quite gloomy, had a negative outlook at a lot of things and he had been on one long term abusive relationship & one with a woman who was depressed. He stayed with these women long term even though they had trouble having normal relationships.

I am fairly stable with no real issues and am happy and positive, made him laugh a lot and he just bailed on me after very little time.


Think it depends on the man. I'm a Pisces female and I'm not needy at all. I've been told by many that I'm the total opposite.
If a man needs to feel needed to feel valued and important he will find someone or several someones to fill that need in him.

If he finds someone who is all around amazing but she doesn't make him feel needed it may be something within him that he needs to resolve, not the other party.

I'm sorry.
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Is there any merit to the assertion that the men seem to like needy women or those with problems?

I've read about it before. the guy that dumped me recently was quite gloomy, had a negative outlook at a lot of things and he had been on one long term abusive relationship & one with a woman who was depressed. He stayed with these women long term even though they had trouble having normal relationships.

I am fairly stable with no real issues and am happy and positive, made him laugh a lot and he just bailed on me after very little time.



Honestly, I think the correct phrase would be that Pisces men want to feel needed and appreciated and unfortunately a lot of needy women who need saving a lot of time initially give us the validation and love we need. I don't like dating a woman who I feel is competing against me or feels the need to prove to me that she doesn't need me. Seriously.

I believe if a woman has her life in order and is confident and willing to give us loyalty, support, validation, and love , I doubt we would turn it down because she is not needy or doesn't have a bunch of drama or bs going on. Trust me, we don't go around looking for needy women with issues but they seem to find us and due to our innate selflessness, we often won't turn our back on someone simply because they have issues or problems. If they appreciate what we do to help, we are all in without a second thought. We like a nuturing, passionate, caring, loving woman who can be strong at times, lol not to be confused with domineering or controlling. Also someone who can understand our need for 'Me Time' sometimes because we do need our private time. It's nice to have a woman who can respect that instead of reject it and try to 'change' us into something we are not.

Lol, if u want a cat, don't buy a dog and get upset because he won't meow or purr for you. Make sense?
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@T.A. If I had to take guess as to why he just bailed on you, I would probably say because he knew and u probably showed him and told him that you didn't need him. You did what the other women in his life didn't do. They needed him and let him know that. He probably couldn't understand what you wanted from him because subconsciously you were showing him how he really wasn't needed.

I have a ex fiancee and a ex girlfriend that are both Taurus. One thing I notice about them is how stubborn and independent they can be at times. I noticed a lot of times when talking about the future, they would mainly talk about them and their dreams or hopes. How they wanted to accomplish certain things and how they knew that they could do it. Lol, I use to sometimes wonder where I actually ' fit' in. I knew they loved me and cared a lot about me but it was always kind of a battle for them to let me help them.

A lot of times its easier to see someone else than it is to see yourself. Think about it like a job. I would much rather work somewhere where they made me feel needed and they acted like they couldn't make it without me and I am missed and asked to hurry back if I need to take a day off. Instead of a job where I am hardly noticed, I don't seems like a intricate part of the company, and it seems like they really don't need me and I could be replaced in a heartbeat. Lol.
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Pisces are not an earth sign so we don't think or value material things quite the way earth signs do. To a Pisces a lot of times its more than just how much money we make so we can go buy things. Its more about how the job makes us feel. Do they appreciate us there? The same with relationships. We need security from our significant other. We need validation. Love and understanding. Without that we won't form a spiritual connection to you and we won't fall in love with you.

Pisces tend to be more spiritual which has little to nothing to do with materialistic things that earth signs tend to base their importance or worth. Notice how you saw his exes as needy and undesirable according to what your value system is. So you couldn't understand why he stayed with them so long because by YOUR value system, you are so much better for him than they were but he bailed on you because you never tried to understand HIS value system. Which is completely different from yours.
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He definitely was a down swimming fish. He had job problems, just been dumped and had a lot of black moods.

I did need him and want him very much so. I used to worry about how much he liked me or if he liked me. the thing is I met him online. on his dating profile he made it clear he does NOT want a needy woman who bases her happiness on him. he does NOT want someone who spends all her time with him. he made it clear he plays sports twice a week and seeing friends 2 times a week and when he went out with me he changed nothing. he fiercely guarded his freedom andso I changed my behaviour to what I thought he wanted. I do have my life fairly in order in terms of finance and my career. I am not depressed. I have friends etc. but there is a gaping hole in my emotional life. I would love to have been with him and have him love me. I wanted to look after him too and care for him. I wanted to tell him how much I liked being with him and I wanted to spend a lot more time with him but I never told him as I thought he would not like it. I didn't think it appropriate to show I ended him after only 6 dates.

I sure told him when he ended it....made it clear how much I liked him and wanted to keep seeing him. I came across as needing him then as I had never told him I felt that way.

I thought he wanted a confident independent woman. he said he did on his profile.

Anything I can do or say to him now?

Anyone think of a nice text to send?
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Posted by djbuck1
" . . . and so I changed my behaviour to what I thought he wanted."

Why would you do this?

From what you have written, this sounds like a very one-sided realtionship. If these are the facts, then you dodged a bullet.



Because tbh everyone is on their best behaviour at the beginning of the relationship. no one I airs all their dirty laundry. I wasn't about to start telling him I needed him after so short a time or making demands on his time. you can't force it. that's the only reading.

Does he sound like the moody downstream fish.....what does that mean anyway?!
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Pisces are not an earth sign so we don't think or value material things quite the way earth signs do. To a Pisces a lot of times its more than just how much money we make so we can go buy things. Its more about how the job makes us feel. Do they appreciate us there? The same with relationships. We need security from our significant other. We need validation. Love and understanding. Without that we won't form a spiritual connection to you and we won't fall in love with you.

Pisces tend to be more spiritual which has little to nothing to do with materialistic things that earth signs tend to base their importance or worth. Notice how you saw his exes as needy and undesirable according to what your value system is. So you couldn't understand why he stayed with them so long because by YOUR value system, you are so much better for him than they were but he bailed on you because you never tried to understand HIS value system. Which is completely different from yours.



i applaud u for this.. very well said.. +100000000 🙂
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Pisces are not an earth sign so we don't think or value material things quite the way earth signs do. To a Pisces a lot of times its more than just how much money we make so we can go buy things. Its more about how the job makes us feel. Do they appreciate us there? The same with relationships. We need security from our significant other. We need validation. Love and understanding. Without that we won't form a spiritual connection to you and we won't fall in love with you.

Pisces tend to be more spiritual which has little to nothing to do with materialistic things that earth signs tend to base their importance or worth. Notice how you saw his exes as needy and undesirable according to what your value system is. So you couldn't understand why he stayed with them so long because by YOUR value system, you are so much better for him than they were but he bailed on you because you never tried to understand HIS value system. Which is completely different from yours.



i applaud u for this.. very well said.. +100000000 🙂
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Not by 'my' value system. One of them made him depressed and unhappy and broke up with him twice.

I said earlier that he was the one concerned with material things. He raised job and my career plans, he asked about my salary andabout my debts and if I had any. He asked if I owned property. I could care less what he had. I just wanted to love him and be lived. I wanted to look after him.
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@PrettyP. Thanks.

@TaurusAngel. You have good and bad in every sign. Some people say un evolved or evolved. Some say up stream or down stream. The key to any person or sign is if they are IN LOVE WITH YOU. That's the key because people act one way when they are in love with someone and one way if they are not.

If he is asking about finances and how much you have, I'm at a loss as to why you saw him as attractive in the first place. To me, a pisces, that would seem very shallow and a big turn off. Apparently not to an earth sign. Nothing you have said has really showed where he ever connected with you or loved you.

I have noticed a pattern with threads dealing with Pisces men. Most of the women who say that their pisces man was a cheater, a liar, a player, etc when you dig deeper and get more information, it becomes obvious that the guy never was in love with her and at best was just pretending. And the threads where the Pisces man actually does love the woman and is in love, there is a pattern of women complaining how sensitive, over emotional, emotionally needy, clingy, etc. Lol

Just saying.
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We weren't together long enough to be in love.

The connection...lots to say but its a bit personal.

He would worship me and my body. Saying how lovely I was, spending forever trying to decide which parts of me he liked the best as the were all so lovely. My eyes won in the end: beautiful and he'd never seen anything like it. He called me sublime, would.smother me in kisses, would text me randomly to say he was thinking of me randomly just to say he thought of me and could I send a picture showing my beautiful eyes. I don't get it. He went funny when he started his new job and realisd his life was in turmoil and up in the air again.

I wasn't bothered about the debt and the money thing. I saw him as assessing it for viability and to know whether I was financially responsible. he was looking to buy property soon. I would be wary of becoming involved in someone who was irresponsible with money. he had lots and lots of debt but it didn't bother me as he had incurred it for college tuition. the only kind of debt that would bother me is debt incurred for gambling, drinking, etc irresponsible debt for instance.

anyway. should I try and stay in touch with him or not? What should I say?
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Its either topic A or B.

A:
Dear God, someone please help me, I love my Pisces man so much and he loves me but he won't stop cheating on me and stealing my money. I know he loves me but he is extremely depressed and won't open up to me and its hard for him to keep a job ( he's had 6 jobs in the last 2 months). Please someone tell me what I can do to make him stop doing crack and stop cheating on me because I just love him so much. Are all Pisces men like this? Is this common?

From: desperatelyinluvwith2fishy

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B:

Help! My Pisces man is so dam sensitive and acts more like a woman than I do. He crys over the littlest things and always plays the 'victim'. He texts me all day telling me how much he loves me and misses so much that I have to turn my phone off. I can't breathe sometimes and feel smothered. He is way too dam needy for me and is so insecure. He wants me to constantly tell him how much I love him and need him. To hell with all that. I will never ever date another Pisces again! Are all Pisces men this weak and feminine? Is it common for them to be so emotionally unstable?

From: ifeellikeDmanandHeisthegirlnomorefish

Lmao.
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Posted by TaurusAngel
So no point. Totally done for ok.

So there's no C pisces guys then lol?!

Maybe he'll come back I'm seen so many threads saying they do after a while.

I guess by the time they do its probably too late.



Dam I hate my Gemini moon and all this air in my chart. I just have ask WHY? Why do you love this man so much? Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you shouldn't love him. I'm just asking why? How long were you involved with him? I'm just really trying to understand why you love him so much and you are willing take him back.
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So no point. Totally done for ok.

So there's no C pisces guys then lol?!

Maybe he'll come back I'm seen so many threads saying they do after a while.

I guess by the time they do its probably too late.



Dam I hate my Gemini moon and all this air in my chart. I just have ask WHY? Why do you love this man so much? Please don't get me wrong, I'm not saying that you shouldn't love him. I'm just asking why? How long were you involved with him? I'm just really trying to understand why you love him so much and you are willing take him back.
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I don't know myself. I don't understand it myself. He had so many problems I know I should be grateful for a narrow escape.

We wrerent involved long either.

I just saw something in him that I really cared for. He was sweet and gentle and so shy and tender. He'd seemed to have had a rough time of it lately. I have too but I bounce back quicker.

I felt so special with him. I wanted to be with him and look after him too.

I can't explain it. We both had similar senses of humor and got on well. I miss the nights on the sofa laughing together and being close.

I just don't know......

Shall I text the pillock or not?
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It's been about 3 weeks. I got a bit upset and told him so. that was when my needy side came out and I sure showed him how much I valued him. he was ok with me though and said he was in a bad place and didn't want to waste my time when I'm such a great person.

Then I calmed down and a few days later I said sorry by text. but he didn't reply. he was working 13 hour shifts nearly every day. he said he wasn't in the mood to contact anyone when we were breaking up. he'd been liberating

I guess its been about 3 weeks.
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It's been about 3 weeks. I got a bit upset and told him so. that was when my needy side came out and I sure showed him how much I valued him. he was ok with me though and said he was in a bad place and didn't want to waste my time when I'm such a great person.

Then I calmed down and a few days later I said sorry by text. but he didn't reply. he was working 13 hour shifts nearly every day. he said he wasn't in the mood to contact anyone when we were breaking up. he'd been liberating

I guess its been about 3 weeks.



This maybe hard to do but I think you should not contact him and give him time to process everything. If he cares about you he will call you. Just be patient and you may just get what you want.
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It's been about 3 weeks. I got a bit upset and told him so. that was when my needy side came out and I sure showed him how much I valued him. he was ok with me though and said he was in a bad place and didn't want to waste my time when I'm such a great person.

Then I calmed down and a few days later I said sorry by text. but he didn't reply. he was working 13 hour shifts nearly every day. he said he wasn't in the mood to contact anyone when we were breaking up. he'd been liberating

I guess its been about 3 weeks.



This maybe hard to do but I think you should not contact him and give him time to process everything. If he cares about you he will call you. Just be patient and you may just get what you want.
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what makes you say I May get what I want? Curious.

Tbh I don't know what to say to him anyway.

I'm really ill since we broke up but and I have some scary hospital tests coming up. but I'm not telling him. he's already under enough stress.
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Its one of those totally illogical things. I just feel it for him. I shouldn't....logic dictated that I shouldn't. but I do.

Ps it should say hibernating above not liberating.



It's hard to sit back and do nothing when you really care a lot about someone and you have such a strong connection to them. My general rule is if someone breaks up with me and its not my fault, even if I like them a lot, I try to let them contact me. Now if I did something to cause the break up or if I initiated the break up, then I would call her.
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See I don't know if he spoke to me differently than other people. I hadn't known him long enough to know what he shares with friends.

But he shared family issues, insecuritie, life problems, issues with friends, things that upset him. He told me lots of personal things and I understood and was happy for him to. he must have trusted and felt comfortable. he showed his vulnerable side as well as the happy side.
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You said it "He worshipped me and my body". They have to worship your heart, your soul, your everything. You know if you are special to that man if he opens up his heart you, becomes vulnerable. Shares his life that he doesn't share with anyone else, even talks to you differently then everyone else. If you see that side of any man, that's when you know.
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+1

Very well put.
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Posted by piranhaparadiise
he just got out of a relationship,,,that's the problem right there... it's not hard to decipher that he enjoyed getting his mind off his ex...but it wasn't the same ...

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I was worried when I found that out. I wish id known before I started liking him or I wouldn't have got involved. I doubt he would have wanted it to be the same as his ex.....she was very depressed and was for years before she met him. she forbade him.from.seeing his female friends as she was jealous. they had already broken up once. I don't think he would have wanted it to be the same as his ex with all her problems. she was the can't get out of bed depressed. I wish I had known he was fresh out of a long relationship as I would not have wasted my time and developed feelings for him.

No votes for trying to stay in touch?
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Posted by piranhaparadiise
pisces can share problems etc it means nothing...actually the fact he shared this very early on is a red flag that he was not ready to date...Pisces want to impress their date not scare them off...

if they dump their laundry very early on...they are looking for a sponge...then they are off...this is for every sign...it's called emotionally unavailable...sure you'll get the issues but not the relationship...unfortunately...



Wow. Still just as wise as ever lol.
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Posted by piranhaparadiise
he just got out of a relationship,,,that's the problem right there... it's not hard to decipher that he enjoyed getting his mind off his ex...but it wasn't the same ...

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I was worried when I found that out. I wish id known before I started liking him or I wouldn't have got involved. I doubt he would have wanted it to be the same as his ex.....she was very depressed and was for years before she met him. she forbade him.from.seeing his female friends as she was jealous. they had already broken up once. I don't think he would have wanted it to be the same as his ex with all her problems. she was the can't get out of bed depressed. I wish I had known he was fresh out of a long relationship as I would not have wasted my time and developed feelings for him.

No votes for trying to stay in touch?
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Lmao. Wow you have me over here laughing but in a good way. You really have it bad for this guy. What are your placements again? I thought Taurus women were stronger than this. Hmmmm. Maybe this is the side of them that was always hidden from me. What is your Venus in again?
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That is so cute though how you keep wanting to contact him and keep looking for someone to say "YES!!! CALL HIM, CALL HIM NOW!!!!" I really feel for you and I definitely understand and have walked in your shoes many times. It's really cute how throughout this whole thread you keep asking for confirmation to contact him. That's awesome but I am a sucker for love. But I am also, like Sade, a soldier of love and being on the front line, we take the hardest casualties.
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Posted by IrresistableScorp
I can't seem to stay out if this. 🙂

Pisces (and water signs in general) have a way of making people feel like THIS IS THE BEST CONNECTION EVER. After only a few dates. And why is that? Because we appeal and stir up emotions. Pisces has the added benefit of being uber charming which makes it seem like OMG SOULMATE! Lol

Water signs don't do this on purpose.

However and what you are seeing now is that while your fish was just doing his thing, you were being taken in by water magic. 🙂

The key to knowing if the water magic is real is if the connection gets deeper OVER TIME. 3 dates, 6 dates. It doesn't matter. If you find you feel stagnant or a lack of progression, it's not happening and may never happen. Also if you are not being challenged or made to feel uncomfortable emotionally-- it's superficial and not happening.

Water signs present a great peaceful front. But we all know what goes under the surface. If you are not seeing under the surface--it's not happening. It's superficial.

Finally, if someone tells you that they aren't ready for a relationship and then does not contact you-- believe them. Taurus you are under the water magic spell. Try to shake it off.

Disconnect.



Too late she is clearly deep under his spell.
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Posted by IrresistableScorp
Lol. I know. I know.

Shake it off. Shake it off. 🙂)



As if.... then it wouldn't be 'water magic' now would it.... hahaha This is some deep ocean level type magic. She has 2 threads currently active, dedicated to this guy. But you also have to remember how stubborn Taurus can be at times. Once they decide something, you might as well move over or get ran over because they aren't going to stop. Her mind is already made up for now. She wants him.
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I guess the link isn't needy women... because she is coming off needy to me 🙂



yeah. you're right. I know I am.

I held back from.showing him how much I liked him as he made it clear on his.dating profile that he dudnt want a needy woman.

Also I put my year of birth wrong last time I calculated my chart. I put it in right this time and I saw I have loads of.water
placements. You know how nuts water people go when they like someone.....Yup. sorry. I wanted to tell him how much I liked him but I was scared he wouldn't like it.

Oh well. live and learn. ill leave him be.
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Posted by IrresistableScorp
Hmm. Does she want him? Or dies she want what she can't have? Does she even know him? You're right dimes. She's being stubborn. Who knows? Maybe that will work. Or maybe once she gets him, if she does, she won't want him anymore?

Plus she presented a false front from the beginning. She tried to be his fantasy and he saw through that. Can a person conform to become a fish fantasy or does the fish make up his own mind what his fantasy is? *shrug*

*sips cold coffee*



Wow. That was impressive. How do you know fish so well? Hmmmm.
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It wasn't a false front. everyone is on their best behaviour at the beginning of dating or they ought to be.

Would it have been best if I had turned up and told him about my abusive father, all my health issues , my fear of never being a mother, my work problems, etc etc.

Everyone behaves differently at the beginning. someone said upstream that even pisces try to impress in stead of being themelseces. that's the same for all signs. we all try to behave better when starting dating.
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Posted by deezie
I guess the link isn't needy women... because she is coming off needy to me 🙂



yeah. you're right. I know I am.

I held back from.showing him how much I liked him as he made it clear on his.dating profile that he dudnt want a needy woman.

Also I put my year of birth wrong last time I calculated my chart. I put it in right this time and I saw I have loads of.water
placements. You know how nuts water people go when they like someone.....Yup. sorry. I wanted to tell him how much I liked him but I was scared he wouldn't like it.

Oh well. live and learn. ill leave him be.
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Its all making sense now. (Spotlight shines on Taurus Angel) Question. Have you thought about if you do try to call him, if he ignores you or he tells you he is trying to work things out with his previous ex, how you would actually handle that? Can you handle the truth right now?
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Posted by TaurusAngel
Posted by deezie
I guess the link isn't needy women... because she is coming off needy to me 🙂



yeah. you're right. I know I am.

I held back from.showing him how much I liked him as he made it clear on his.dating profile that he dudnt want a needy woman.

Also I put my year of birth wrong last time I calculated my chart. I put it in right this time and I saw I have loads of.water
placements. You know how nuts water people go when they like someone.....Yup. sorry. I wanted to tell him how much I liked him but I was scared he wouldn't like it.

Oh well. live and learn. ill leave him be.



Its all making sense now. (Spotlight shines on Taurus Angel) Question. Have you thought about if you do try to call him, if he ignores you or he tells you he is trying to work things out with his previous ex, how you would actually handle that? Can you handle the truth right now?
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I don't know. I might be ok. I got badly heartbroken last year and my ex has come out of thebwoodwork contacting me again and that has profoundly messed me up. I.much preferred pisces guy to my ex. I guessing.feeling a bit.more emotional because of my ex and his recent contact. that's probably highlighted my feelings.

I doubt he'd work things out with his ex. they had a huge bust up and she left. his family were pleased when it happened as she made him depressed.

Oh sod it. I wouldn't call and ask for him back. I could see the state he was in the last time I saw him. His was exhausted over work and was very miserable. he'd changed a lot since the last time I met him.

I was just going to send the odd text now.and again so he doesn't forget me. Is that best for a pisces ir should I just disappear too.
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