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also ...Paul Ryan and John McCain have jumped ship ....
“You all need to do what’s best for you in your district,” Ryan of Wisconsin told House Republicans, according to a person who was on a GOP conference call.
and there are rumors after the slight on the 2nd debate that Mike Pence wants OFF the ticket ....
Isn't it glorious? Serves them right.
Posted by GetMisted
Sure.But without the support of his party in Congress.. he gets no where as a president.
thats ..what I was thinking ...even if he does win, he does NEED these people that he is kind of shitting on right now .... 😆
Posted by kissmygrits
Isn't it glorious? Serves them right.
hehehehehehe lololol 😏 my cappie friend is PISSED ...she loves paul ryan ...
Posted by kissmygrits
Isn't it glorious? Serves them right.
hehehehehehe lololol 😏 my cappie friend is PISSED ...she loves paul ryan ...
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Look at what they did to Ron Paul and ask her if they don't deserve the karma they brought onto themselves. This is their own doing. I am giddy watching the ship go down in flames.
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
Posted by GetMisted
Sure.But without the support of his party in Congress.. he gets no where as a president.
Yeah... (un)fortunately, most politicians can be bought.
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
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I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— some of trumps remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
Posted by Hare
Here's the thing as I see it, Trump doesn't need the Republicans in Congress.He has the power of a Supreme Court appointment. If not two.
Even if the Republicans oppose Trump at every turn even as far as to block any court appointments, Trump has RABID supporters and they WILL punish Republicans in off year elections and primaries.
the President appoints judges and departmental secretaries, but these appointments MUST BE APPROVED BY THE SENATE ...you know the senate the current group he is ....giving the big fat bird to lol ....-_- dis no good bro...the way the government works you NEED people ....
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
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No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dam Senor, I think) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
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😕 shut up! girl! ....wow! ...soooooo...wow...I thought paul ryan TOTALLY supported him ...I thought that he was loyal to the party which means being loyal to trump...as far mitt romney tho...I knew that he has NEVER liked trump even before the primaries
Posted by kissmygrits
Isn't it glorious? Serves them right.
hehehehehehe lololol 😏 my cappie friend is PISSED ...she loves paul ryan ...
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I used to too. She should investigate him a bit further. He's done NOTHING for the R cause in congress. His only aspiration was the Presidency, but I honestly think he may have trouble with that among his old supporters now.
Johm McCain is NOT respected as a senator in the state he resides. A war hero, yes. Not as a legislator
Posted by Hare
Here's the thing as I see it, Trump doesn't need the Republicans in Congress.He has the power of a Supreme Court appointment. If not two.
Even if the Republicans oppose Trump at every turn even as far as to block any court appointments, Trump has RABID supporters and they WILL punish Republicans in off year elections and primaries.
the President appoints judges and departmental secretaries, but these appointments MUST BE APPROVED BY THE SENATE ...you know the senate the current group he is ....giving the big fat bird to lol ....-_- dis no good bro...the way the government works you NEED people ....
You're right and that's the problem. He has Republicans in vise grip. Trump's power is derived from his people not his party and that makes him dangerous.
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^^^^^^^
this ...
now ...I DON'T like trump ...at all ..I will vote for hillary ...but ..DESPITE what I think ...people VOTED for him ...and it seems like nobody in the republican party likes him ...but the people love him ...
Posted by kissmygrits
Isn't it glorious? Serves them right.
hehehehehehe lololol 😏 my cappie friend is PISSED ...she loves paul ryan ...
I used to too. She should investigate him a bit further. He's done NOTHING for the R cause in congress. His only aspiration was the Presidency, but I honestly think he may have trouble with that among his old supporters now.
Johm McCain is NOT respected as a senator in the state he resides. A war hero, yes. Not as a legislator
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wow! you are blowing my mind ...the way the media portrays paul ryan is that he is a good guy ..same with the john McCain ...its just crazy to me ..that their could be soooo much public division within the party .....
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dam Senor, I think) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
😕 shut up! girl! ....wow! ...soooooo...wow...I thought paul ryan TOTALLY supported him ...I thought that he was loyal to the party which means being loyal to trump...as far mitt romney tho...I knew that he has NEVER liked trump even before the primaries
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Just rumors, but quite a few coincidences.
http://www.infowars.com/did-paul-ryans-top-advisor-leak-the-trump-tape/
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
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so can I ask you question ...what do you think could revive the republican party?
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
so can I ask you question ...what do you think could revive the republican party?
Grabbing 'em by the pussy.
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😆 oh ...this made me laugh hard as hell ...
Posted by kissmygrits
Isn't it glorious? Serves them right.
hehehehehehe lololol 😏 my cappie friend is PISSED ...she loves paul ryan ...
I used to too. She should investigate him a bit further. He's done NOTHING for the R cause in congress. His only aspiration was the Presidency, but I honestly think he may have trouble with that among his old supporters now.
Johm McCain is NOT respected as a senator in the state he resides. A war hero, yes. Not as a legislator
wow! you are blowing my mind ...the way the media portrays paul ryan is that he is a good guy ..same with the john McCain ...its just crazy to me ..that their could be soooo much public division within the party .....
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It's something that has been a problem for decades. The public face of Republicans has never been united, and the democrats always put on a united public face, even when there's a problem internally.
The Republican establishment is destroying the party--not Donald Trump, as far as his supporters feel.
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— some of trumps remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
It's one thing to have dissent in house... but the moment you go public,
all bets are off, as far as I'm concerned.
And I mean that generally... most of this is orchestrated, imo, and we're just speaking
of honor among thieves, here.
Both parties.
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
so can I ask you question ...what do you think could revive the republican party?
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There isn't really an R or a D anymore. Some are calling it the Uniparty. Public talk of difference, but none on actual policymaking. There are rumblings of the Republicans going the way of the Whig party (has been for decades, but this may be the tipping point).
At this point in our history, I think it's going to basically end up being the statists/globalists (regardless of party affiliation) vs the independents/nationalists (not as in "socialist nationalism", but those who are wanting to retain national sovereignty and to preserve the Constitution's original intent).
Posted by Hare
Here's the thing as I see it, Trump doesn't need the Republicans in Congress.He has the power of a Supreme Court appointment. If not two.
Even if the Republicans oppose Trump at every turn even as far as to block any court appointments, Trump has RABID supporters and they WILL punish Republicans in off year elections and primaries.
the President appoints judges and departmental secretaries, but these appointments MUST BE APPROVED BY THE SENATE ...you know the senate the current group he is ....giving the big fat bird to lol ....-_- dis no good bro...the way the government works you NEED people ....
You're right and that's the problem. He has Republicans in vise grip. Trump's power is derived from his people not his party and that makes him dangerous.
^^^^^^^
this ...
now ...I DON'T like trump ...at all ..I will vote for hillary ...but ..DESPITE what I think ...people VOTED for him ...and it seems like nobody in the republican party likes him ...but the people love him ...
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Only the leadership. He has a lot of support from Republicans who aren't closely tied to leadership positions. Problem is, they're caught between a rock and a hard place in terms of who to say "yes" to.
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
so can I ask you question ...what do you think could revive the republican party?
There isn't really an R or a D anymore. Some are calling it the Uniparty. Public talk of difference, but none on actual policymaking. There are rumblings of the Republicans going the way of the Whig party (has been for decades, but this may be the tipping point).
At this point in our history, I think it's going to basically end up being the statists/globalists (regardless of party affiliation) vs the independents/nationalists (not as in "socialist nationalism", but those who are wanting to retain national sovereignty and to preserve the Constitution's original intent).
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personally I feel like the republican party has a IMAGE problem ...there is an undercurrent (unspoken) that the party is a party for white, middle class/and or rich,straight, christian, educated individuals
truthfully the republican party needs to focus on the VALUES and also make an deep effort to include people of color, gay people, the poor ...these groups of people can relate to the VALUES just like anyone else ...
the democratic party makes sure that everyone feels accepted in the party ...
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
so can I ask you question ...what do you think could revive the republican party?
There isn't really an R or a D anymore. Some are calling it the Uniparty. Public talk of difference, but none on actual policymaking. There are rumblings of the Republicans going the way of the Whig party (has been for decades, but this may be the tipping point).
At this point in our history, I think it's going to basically end up being the statists/globalists (regardless of party affiliation) vs the independents/nationalists (not as in "socialist nationalism", but those who are wanting to retain national sovereignty and to preserve the Constitution's original intent).
personally I feel like the republican party has a IMAGE problem ...there is an undercurrent (unspoken) that the party is a party for white, middle class/and or rich,straight, christian, educated individuals
truthfully the republican party needs to focus on the VALUES and also make an deep effort to include people of color, gay people, the poor ...these groups of people can relate to the VALUES just like anyone else ...
the democratic party makes sure that everyone feels accepted in the party ...
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That's the perception for reasons I won't get into here. Like I said in that other thread, happy to have a private discussion without having to be on defense 4 or 5 to 1.
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
so can I ask you question ...what do you think could revive the republican party?
There isn't really an R or a D anymore. Some are calling it the Uniparty. Public talk of difference, but none on actual policymaking. There are rumblings of the Republicans going the way of the Whig party (has been for decades, but this may be the tipping point).
At this point in our history, I think it's going to basically end up being the statists/globalists (regardless of party affiliation) vs the independents/nationalists (not as in "socialist nationalism", but those who are wanting to retain national sovereignty and to preserve the Constitution's original intent).
personally I feel like the republican party has a IMAGE problem ...there is an undercurrent (unspoken) that the party is a party for white, middle class/and or rich,straight, christian, educated individuals
truthfully the republican party needs to focus on the VALUES and also make an deep effort to include people of color, gay people, the poor ...these groups of people can relate to the VALUES just like anyone else ...
the democratic party makes sure that everyone feels accepted in the party ...
That's the perception for reasons I won't get into here. Like I said in that other thread, happy to have a private discussion without having to be on defense 4 or 5 to 1.
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...oh ..I hope that I didn't offend you ...and I thought despite us having vastly different views that we were doing pretty good holding a convo? don't you think? ...when you say perception reasons what do you mean?
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
so can I ask you question ...what do you think could revive the republican party?
There isn't really an R or a D anymore. Some are calling it the Uniparty. Public talk of difference, but none on actual policymaking. There are rumblings of the Republicans going the way of the Whig party (has been for decades, but this may be the tipping point).
At this point in our history, I think it's going to basically end up being the statists/globalists (regardless of party affiliation) vs the independents/nationalists (not as in "socialist nationalism", but those who are wanting to retain national sovereignty and to preserve the Constitution's original intent).
personally I feel like the republican party has a IMAGE problem ...there is an undercurrent (unspoken) that the party is a party for white, middle class/and or rich,straight, christian, educated individuals
truthfully the republican party needs to focus on the VALUES and also make an deep effort to include people of color, gay people, the poor ...these groups of people can relate to the VALUES just like anyone else ...
the democratic party makes sure that everyone feels accepted in the party ...
That's the perception for reasons I won't get into here. Like I said in that other thread, happy to have a private discussion without having to be on defense 4 or 5 to 1.
...oh ..I hope that I didn't offend you ...and I thought despite us having vastly different views that we were doing pretty good holding a convo? don't you think? ...when you say perception reasons what do you mean?
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No offense, at all. I just know from a long time online how these things usually deteriorate. 🙂
There's a LOT of conditioning that creates a perception, and it starts really early. I grew up in a conservative family, and went to public schools. This was in the '70s and '80s, and we got the earliest versions of anti-conservative values taught to us either directly or indirectly starting in grade school.
I know that it has gotten progressively moreso since I left.
Unless you have other influences questioning what you're being told, it's very easy to have perceptions permanently formed.
Let me ask you, why do YOU think there's a perception that Republicans are mostly old rich, white men? Were you aware that for much of American history, blacks were overwhelmingly republican?
Posted by Cancan26
okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?
Yup.
Wouldn't you?
I don't know ....to be honest ..I mean where is the loyalty of your own people— the remarks ...are wwwwaaaayyy out there ...the rumors are that no one can "correct" him on ANYTHING with out him going berserk
No, there's some good evidence that a consultant to Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney (Dan Senor, I think his name is) is the one who leakedd the Access Hollywood video. It isn't that it was leaked that pissed him off, I'm sure it's *who* leaked it.
Republican establishment types are as crooked as the rest, and they don't want Trump. Believe me, it's not because they're outraged at his behavior. He's never been "one of them". The Republican party has been abysmal as far as being effective for the last 8 years and where most conservatives are concerned, the party is already dead.
so can I ask you question ...what do you think could revive the republican party?
There isn't really an R or a D anymore. Some are calling it the Uniparty. Public talk of difference, but none on actual policymaking. There are rumblings of the Republicans going the way of the Whig party (has been for decades, but this may be the tipping point).
At this point in our history, I think it's going to basically end up being the statists/globalists (regardless of party affiliation) vs the independents/nationalists (not as in "socialist nationalism", but those who are wanting to retain national sovereignty and to preserve the Constitution's original intent).
personally I feel like the republican party has a IMAGE problem ...there is an undercurrent (unspoken) that the party is a party for white, middle class/and or rich,straight, christian, educated individuals
truthfully the republican party needs to focus on the VALUES and also make an deep effort to include people of color, gay people, the poor ...these groups of people can relate to the VALUES just like anyone else ...
the democratic party makes sure that everyone feels accepted in the party ...
That's the perception for reasons I won't get into here. Like I said in that other thread, happy to have a private discussion without having to be on defense 4 or 5 to 1.
...oh ..I hope that I didn't offend you ...and I thought despite us having vastly different views that we were doing pretty good holding a convo? don't you think? ...when you say perception reasons what do you mean?
No offense, at all. I just know from a long time online how these things usually deteriorate. 🙂
There's a LOT of conditioning that creates a perception, and it starts really early. I grew up in a conservative family, and went to public schools. This was in the '70s and '80s, and we got the earliest versions of anti-conservative values taught to us either directly or indirectly starting in grade school.
I know that it has gotten progressively moreso since I left.
Unless you have other influences questioning what you're being told, it's very easy to have perceptions permanently formed.
Let me ask you, why do YOU think there's a perception that Republicans are mostly old rich, white men? Were you aware that for much of American history, blacks were overwhelmingly republican?
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fair point ..I was not aware that for much of american history that blacks were overwhelmingly republican ..and to be quite frank...I did grow up in a democrat home ...but when I became an adult old enough to make my own choices ..there are some VALUES that I do agree with from the republican party...I don't feel like an I am an unreasonable person .. however ..when viewing the republican party in the media ...I didn't feel like they could relate to me ..as a person....none of the day to day struggles that I feel ...none of the challenges that I deal with ...
republicans according to my cappie friend: picking yourself up by your bootstraps, cutting unnecessary spending, investing in american people before other countries, supporting the people that protect us (military) ------this I can get behind ...
donald trump in the media for the republicans: ISIS, emails, racist comments, sexist comments, -_-.....this I can not
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.
I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually lean much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
Cooking dinner and probably going to watch Westworld.
I DO want to continue the conversation though.
Maybe read if you want:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-arent-there-more-black-republicans/
Posted by sultrykitty
@Cancan26Cooking dinner and probably going to watch Westworld.
I DO want to continue the conversation though.
Maybe read if you want:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/why-arent-there-more-black-republicans/
okie dokie 🙂
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.
I have heard a little bit about this party can you expand more on it ...is this the one with gary johnson and jill stien?
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I have heard a little bit about this party can you expand more on it ...is this the one with gary johnson and jill stien?
Johnson is Libertarian Lite. He's not nearly as Hardcore as some of the classic Anarchocapitalist Ayn Rand whackjobs, but he's essentially a Democrat on social issues and Republican on fiscal issues. His major break with the two parties is his military non-aggression stance.
And Jill Stein? Shit. She's crazy. She's the left wing Sarah Palin.
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omg! I think I might be love ...republican on fiscal issues and democrat on social issues (which is VERY important to me) ...why don't you like jill stein is she an extremist in her views ...
how does gary johnson feel about social programs...
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
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The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I have heard a little bit about this party can you expand more on it ...is this the one with gary johnson and jill stien?
Johnson is Libertarian Lite. He's not nearly as Hardcore as some of the classic Anarchocapitalist Ayn Rand whackjobs, but he's essentially a Democrat on social issues and Republican on fiscal issues. His major break with the two parties is his military non-aggression stance.
And Jill Stein? Shit. She's crazy. She's the left wing Sarah Palin.
omg! I think I might be love ...republican on fiscal issues and democrat on social issues (which is VERY important to me) ...why don't you like jill stein is she an extremist in her views ...
how does gary johnson feel about social programs...
Ad far as social programs, Johnson would love to drastically cut them or at the very least reform the ones we already have in place.
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😢 nooooooooo...I like social programs ...(its my cancer sun 😆 ) I like the idea of helping the poor and disadvantaged(especially children) ...I know republicans ALWAYS complains about people taking advantage of the programs but truthfully a few people taking advantage of the programs doesn't outweigh the need for them
Posted by Hare
I'm voting for Johnson not because I believe everything he believes in, but because I think what he believes in can bring some necessary changes.Will he be able to cut social programs totally? No. But he can make changes to make them solvent and more efficient.
Will he be able to turn our foreign policy around 180 and turn us completely non-interventionist? No. But he might reduce how much we meddle in the affairs of everyone else.
So on and do forth.
But I also live in Indiana. Thus state would vote Hitler in if he ran as a Republican and ended every sentence with Jesus, so my POTUS vote means little to nothing.
your preaching to the choir ...my clinton vote will go unnoticed in our republican state of TN ... but I will look in to gary johnson for kicks and giggles ...I try to be a little informed 😏 and who knows I might vote for him ...if his beliefs and my beliefs match up ...
Posted by Hare
We will never get rid of social programs. I like the idea of handing over more power to the states when it comes to those programs though. I deal with both state and federal governments daily, and generally the states are faster, more efficient, and more agile. Generally. Some heavily liberal states are bureaucratic black holes of confusion and frustration. And some conservative states are staffed by inbred morons.
lol 😆 you sound just like my cappie friend ...and no joke ..she did say today that she was seriously thinking about giving up on trump and voting for gary johnson ...
Posted by Hare
I know Johnson had some pretty bad gaffes lately in regards to foreign policy, but that's not a big enough concern to pull me away. I'd rather have a candidate that didn't know right off the bat wherr Aleppo was than knowing where Aleppo is because they want to bomb it.
yep ....hold please I"m gonna look up more info on gary johnson right now ...
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
That argument falls flat when they continuously fight to strip women of their rights.
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Rights? Are you talking abortion? Yeah, I'm pro-life. If a woman wants to kill her baby, it's not a "right", but she can make that choice. Just don't make me pay for it, or pay for the doctor who performs it, or the agency that provides it. IME, abortion hurts the woman as well.
@Hare
is this an accurate NON BIAS ..website for johnson?
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
That argument falls flat when they continuously fight to strip women of their rights.
Rights? Are you talking abortion? Yeah, I'm pro-life. If a woman wants to kill her baby, it's not a "right", but she can make that choice. Just don't make me pay for it, or pay for the doctor who performs it, or the agency that provides it. IME, abortion hurts the woman as well.
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I"m totally pro-choice ...how would you have to pay for it?and I mean currently for the MAJOR insurance company that I work for a LOT of employers pay for abortions and gender reassignment surgeries .. why don't you believe that it should be covered thru insurance or you don't believe that taxes should be used to cover it? ...our federal taxes dollars are used for ALL kinds of crazy things like spending money to find out why monkeys fling poo...why not put that money toward safe medical procedures ...—
Sultry and Hare are both touching on the subject, especially the allegations of Paul Ryan's people releasing the tape--we're seeing an entrenched oligarchy seeing a threat to overturn the apple cart by a lot of motivated (and angry) people.
Ryan, as speaker, and McConnell in the Senate, have worked to continue to fund the policies of the last 8 years while speaking differently to the public.
Evidence of crimes committed by the former secretary of state, an Executive branch blocking real prosecution, and Congresspersons of the other party who talk a good (and increasingly less convincing) game, while doing nothing to bring such criminal behavior to heal.
IRS being used to shut down groups (like Tea Party) with the blessings of both parties in Congress ( for Republicans, people such as McCain, McConnell on the sly, etc.) and more theater with nothing material being done.
The long and short of it is that all of us (that aren't part of the "club")--black, white, hispanic, gay, straight, religious, atheist--are being screwed by chunks of both parties (and have been since HW Bush), and Trump is a symptom of a growing anger to set things right.
I don't know if he Trump is the right vehicle, but I do know that the alternative of the other "front runner" is a continuation of what has been going on.
One picture from recent history that sticks in my mind is this:
When I look at this picture, I don't see color. I see a bunch of criminals taunting a protesting public.
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
That argument falls flat when they continuously fight to strip women of their rights.
Rights? Are you talking abortion? Yeah, I'm pro-life. If a woman wants to kill her baby, it's not a "right", but she can make that choice. Just don't make me pay for it, or pay for the doctor who performs it, or the agency that provides it. IME, abortion hurts the woman as well.
I"m totally pro-choice ...how would you have to pay for it?and I mean currently for the MAJOR insurance company that I work for a LOT of employers pay for abortions and gender reassignment surgeries .. why don't you believe that it should be covered thru insurance or you don't believe that taxes should be used to cover it? ...our federal taxes dollars are used for ALL kinds of crazy things like spending money to find out why monkeys fling poo...why not put that money toward safe medical procedures ...—
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Is there an equivalence betwen a woman killing her baby and monkeys flinging poo? If yes and you agree with both doing good then sure, pay for it. I don't.
Birth control is readily available and cheaper tham abortion. If a woman can't afford BC and is in a life position that she can't afford an abortion and finds herself pregnant, then there are other options. Pregnant single women aren't a stigma, so I don't see why abortion has to be the only way. If she can afford one (insurance, self-pay, whatever), then fine, go ahead
Don't ask (or force) someone who has a philosophical or moral objection to it help foot the bill.
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
That argument falls flat when they continuously fight to strip women of their rights.
Rights? Are you talking abortion? Yeah, I'm pro-life. If a woman wants to kill her baby, it's not a "right", but she can make that choice. Just don't make me pay for it, or pay for the doctor who performs it, or the agency that provides it. IME, abortion hurts the woman as well.
Federal law already prohibits federal funds from being used to fund abortions, so that argument falls flat as well. Evangelical attempts to overturn Rowe Vs Wade or limit access to contraception or force abstinence only sex education is simply a push to enforce their religious views on others through the government.
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Ah.. Of the many Evangelicals I know, none actually support the bills you speak of. I don't dispute they exist.
PP is the largest provider of abortions (among other things , I know), and receives federal funds.
Posted by CancerOnTheCusp
Sultry and Hare are both touching on the subject, especially the allegations of Paul Ryan's people releasing the tape--we're seeing an entrenched oligarchy seeing a threat to overturn the apple cart by a lot of motivated (and angry) people.Ryan, as speaker, and McConnell in the Senate, have worked to continue to fund the policies of the last 8 years while speaking differently to the public.
Evidence of crimes committed by the former secretary of state, an Executive branch blocking real prosecution, and Congresspersons of the other party who talk a good (and increasingly less convincing) game, while doing nothing to bring such criminal behavior to heal.
IRS being used to shut down groups (like Tea Party) with the blessings of both parties in Congress ( for Republicans, people such as McCain, McConnell on the sly, etc.) and more theater with nothing material being done.
The long and short of it is that all of us (that aren't part of the "club")--black, white, hispanic, gay, straight, religious, atheist--are being screwed by chunks of both parties (and have been since HW Bush), and Trump is a symptom of a growing anger to set things right.
I don't know if he Trump is the right vehicle, but I do know that the alternative of the other "front runner" is a continuation of what has been going on.
One picture from recent history that sticks in my mind is this:
When I look at this picture, I don't see color. I see a bunch of criminals taunting a protesting public.
I STILL can't believe that paul ryan could be involved(its really shocking) ...he seemed like such a good guy 😢 even though I don't believe what he believes in ...I still though he had a good character ...its kind of disappointing ...
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
That argument falls flat when they continuously fight to strip women of their rights.
Rights? Are you talking abortion? Yeah, I'm pro-life. If a woman wants to kill her baby, it's not a "right", but she can make that choice. Just don't make me pay for it, or pay for the doctor who performs it, or the agency that provides it. IME, abortion hurts the woman as well.
I"m totally pro-choice ...how would you have to pay for it?and I mean currently for the MAJOR insurance company that I work for a LOT of employers pay for abortions and gender reassignment surgeries .. why don't you believe that it should be covered thru insurance or you don't believe that taxes should be used to cover it? ...our federal taxes dollars are used for ALL kinds of crazy things like spending money to find out why monkeys fling poo...why not put that money toward safe medical procedures ...—
Is there an equivalence betwen a woman killing her baby and monkeys flinging poo? If yes and you agree with both doing good then sure, pay for it. I don't.
Birth control is readily available and cheaper tham abortion. If a woman can't afford BC and is in a life position that she can't afford an abortion and finds herself pregnant, then there are other options. Pregnant single women aren't a stigma, so I don't see why abortion has to be the only way. If she can afford one (insurance, self-pay, whatever), then fine, go ahead
Don't ask (or force) someone who has a philosophical or moral objection to it help foot the bill.
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I don't believe that abortion is the only way thats why its called pro choice ...but every one should have ALL of their choices ..no matter what they are ...and if your ok with paying for birth control or adoption ...or abortion should be on the table ...imo
and another question I get that its a religious objection but how do you regulate that ...— to make sure BOTH set of people get there rights
I STILL can't believe that paul ryan could be involved(its really shocking) ...he seemed like such a good guy 😢 even though I don't believe what he believes in ...I still though he had a good character ...its kind of disappointing ...
Well, like the Tulsa thing and Crutcher, I'm waiting to see more details get out. And they will.
But if it is conclusive, Ryan should be stripped of his role as Speaker.
The people of his district should vote in the Democrat, if only to get him out of office. No worries on Ryan's behalf, he'll go on to work for some DC lobbying firm (which is entirely another problem plaguing this country).
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
That argument falls flat when they continuously fight to strip women of their rights.
Rights? Are you talking abortion? Yeah, I'm pro-life. If a woman wants to kill her baby, it's not a "right", but she can make that choice. Just don't make me pay for it, or pay for the doctor who performs it, or the agency that provides it. IME, abortion hurts the woman as well.
I"m totally pro-choice ...how would you have to pay for it?and I mean currently for the MAJOR insurance company that I work for a LOT of employers pay for abortions and gender reassignment surgeries .. why don't you believe that it should be covered thru insurance or you don't believe that taxes should be used to cover it? ...our federal taxes dollars are used for ALL kinds of crazy things like spending money to find out why monkeys fling poo...why not put that money toward safe medical procedures ...—
Is there an equivalence betwen a woman killing her baby and monkeys flinging poo? If yes and you agree with both doing good then sure, pay for it. I don't.
Birth control is readily available and cheaper tham abortion. If a woman can't afford BC and is in a life position that she can't afford an abortion and finds herself pregnant, then there are other options. Pregnant single women aren't a stigma, so I don't see why abortion has to be the only way. If she can afford one (insurance, self-pay, whatever), then fine, go ahead
Don't ask (or force) someone who has a philosophical or moral objection to it help foot the bill.
I don't believe that abortion is the only way thats why its called pro choice ...but every one should have ALL of their choices ..no matter what they are ...and if your ok with paying for birth control or adoption ...or abortion should be on the table ...imo
and another question I get that its a religious objection but how do you regulate that ...— to make sure BOTH set of people get there rights
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Sorry, killing isn't on an equal level to life. If you think it is, then I do feel sorry that you do. A lot of women find that out after the fact. If it's going to be her choice, let it be HER choice. It isn't illegal, we agree. I have no issue with the law, but IMO the choice isn't a moral one. So, I see no reason to help fund it. Not quite sure why that position is so hard to understand.
The rights we have are given to us by what? A written law? Or God? Or natural law? I believe it's either#1 or #2. Both support the right to live. Choices are choices, not rights.
I STILL can't believe that paul ryan could be involved(its really shocking) ...he seemed like such a good guy 😢 even though I don't believe what he believes in ...I still though he had a good character ...its kind of disappointing ...
The people of his district should vote in the Democrat, if only to get him out of office.
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A lot of Republicans are doing that.
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Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
That argument falls flat when they continuously fight to strip women of their rights.
Rights? Are you talking abortion? Yeah, I'm pro-life. If a woman wants to kill her baby, it's not a "right", but she can make that choice. Just don't make me pay for it, or pay for the doctor who performs it, or the agency that provides it. IME, abortion hurts the woman as well.
I"m totally pro-choice ...how would you have to pay for it?and I mean currently for the MAJOR insurance company that I work for a LOT of employers pay for abortions and gender reassignment surgeries .. why don't you believe that it should be covered thru insurance or you don't believe that taxes should be used to cover it? ...our federal taxes dollars are used for ALL kinds of crazy things like spending money to find out why monkeys fling poo...why not put that money toward safe medical procedures ...—
Is there an equivalence betwen a woman killing her baby and monkeys flinging poo? If yes and you agree with both doing good then sure, pay for it. I don't.
Birth control is readily available and cheaper tham abortion. If a woman can't afford BC and is in a life position that she can't afford an abortion and finds herself pregnant, then there are other options. Pregnant single women aren't a stigma, so I don't see why abortion has to be the only way. If she can afford one (insurance, self-pay, whatever), then fine, go ahead
Don't ask (or force) someone who has a philosophical or moral objection to it help foot the bill.
I don't believe that abortion is the only way thats why its called pro choice ...but every one should have ALL of their choices ..no matter what they are ...and if your ok with paying for birth control or adoption ...or abortion should be on the table ...imo
and another question I get that its a religious objection but how do you regulate that ...— to make sure BOTH set of people get there rights
Sorry, killing isn't on an equal level to life. If you think it is, then I do feel sorry that you do. A lot of women find that out after the fact. If it's going to be her choice, let it be HER choice. It isn't illegal, we agree. I have no issue with the law, but IMO the choice isn't a moral one. So, I see no reason to help fund it. Not quite sure why that position is so hard to understand.
The rights we have are given to us by what? A written law? Or God? Or natural law? I believe it's either#1 or #2. Both support the right to live. Choices are choices, not rights.
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Don't you believe that god gives us free will...who are you, me or any congressman to take that away
that isn't their right to take away any ones choices with your body...does the government take away you choice to cit your hair, or wear wool,...
god doesn't even take away our choices..I know that you and I will probably never agree on this ...but I don't believe that a collection of cells can ask nor answer any questions—
Posted by Hare
Your friend is describing a policy closer to a Libertarian policy.I would gather that a lot of Republicans actually leam much more libertarian than is believed, if you don't listen to media spin.
Everyone I know who is a staunch patriot has "R" as their registration but would vote "L" of someone who could win would run.
But they would still be for strict border control, and probably more conservative socially (in belief, not necessarily policy).
The Republicans have had plenty of opportunities to nominate a Libertarian leaning candidate. However they made a pact with devil (ironically... Evangelicals) for votes and without those votes they don't stand a chance in a country with a rapidly changing electoral demographics.
The people I know *are* Evangelicals. I'm not. From their perspective, they honestly don't care what people do with their bodies, or with God. They just would rather not be forced to agree with it (by government fiat).
Meh.
That argument falls flat when they continuously fight to strip women of their rights.
Rights? Are you talking abortion? Yeah, I'm pro-life. If a woman wants to kill her baby, it's not a "right", but she can make that choice. Just don't make me pay for it, or pay for the doctor who performs it, or the agency that provides it. IME, abortion hurts the woman as well.
I"m totally pro-choice ...how would you have to pay for it?and I mean currently for the MAJOR insurance company that I work for a LOT of employers pay for abortions and gender reassignment surgeries .. why don't you believe that it should be covered thru insurance or you don't believe that taxes should be used to cover it? ...our federal taxes dollars are used for ALL kinds of crazy things like spending money to find out why monkeys fling poo...why not put that money toward safe medical procedures ...—
Is there an equivalence betwen a woman killing her baby and monkeys flinging poo? If yes and you agree with both doing good then sure, pay for it. I don't.
Birth control is readily available and cheaper tham abortion. If a woman can't afford BC and is in a life position that she can't afford an abortion and finds herself pregnant, then there are other options. Pregnant single women aren't a stigma, so I don't see why abortion has to be the only way. If she can afford one (insurance, self-pay, whatever), then fine, go ahead
Don't ask (or force) someone who has a philosophical or moral objection to it help foot the bill.
I don't believe that abortion is the only way thats why its called pro choice ...but every one should have ALL of their choices ..no matter what they are ...and if your ok with paying for birth control or adoption ...or abortion should be on the table ...imo
and another question I get that its a religious objection but how do you regulate that ...— to make sure BOTH set of people get there rights
Sorry, killing isn't on an equal level to life. If you think it is, then I do feel sorry that you do. A lot of women find that out after the fact. If it's going to be her choice, let it be HER choice. It isn't illegal, we agree. I have no issue with the law, but IMO the choice isn't a moral one. So, I see no reason to help fund it. Not quite sure why that position is so hard to understand.
The rights we have are given to us by what? A written law? Or God? Or natural law? I believe it's either#1 or #2. Both support the right to live. Choices are choices, not rights.
Don't you believe that god gives us free will...who are you, me or any congressman to take that away
that isn't their right to take away any ones choices with your body...does the government take away you choice to cit your hair, or wear wool,...
god doesn't even take away our choices..I know that you and I will probably never agree on this ...but I don't believe that a collection of cells can ask nor answer any questions—
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There is no taking of choices in my position, only WHO is paying for it, as a matter of public policy. No one is prohibited from offering the money to those who can't afford it. No one is saying she shouldn't have the choice, only that it's a wong choice in most cases. If you're all in, then why not start a go fund me site or oranization for like minded individuals to contribute? Why do you require people who have an objection (ANY objection) to help pay?
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okay ...so here the deal...I was talking to my capricorn friend ...and even though she supported trump in the beginning she is fearful that trump will destroy their whole party ...specifically with the last scandal of the tweets of well respected republican Paul Ryan and John McCain ...
In a couple of Tuesday morning tweets, Donald Trump attacked Paul Ryan and the Republicans who have abandoned him. In one he tacitly acknowledged his slip in polls, saying that “it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support.” The other referred to “ineffective and weak leader Ryan,” who “had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.”
Despite winning the second debate in a landslide (every poll), it is hard to do well when Paul Ryan and others give zero support!
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
Our very weak and ineffective leader, Paul Ryan, had a bad conference call where his members went wild at his disloyalty.
— Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
The very foul mouthed Sen. John McCain begged for my support during his primary (I gave, he won), then dropped me over locker room remarks!
-Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) October 11, 2016
do you guys feel as though donald trump is well with in his rights to air the party dirty laundry on twitter, if the party isn't loyal?