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.... how many women there are who are with a man because he liked her.

He woos her, charms her .... and now she is with him with unrealistic expectations, and appears to be absolutely clueless as to why.

Here's a clue: because you are with him because he wanted YOU, not the other way around.


I see it in here daily ..... women appear to have zero comprehension. There's a thread on the Pisces board at this moment, where the woman was charmed, so she caved, and now she has all these unrealistic expectations.


Here's a clue - don't date the guy unless it was YOUR initial attraction.



::: shakes head :::
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Excuse me whos to say that the woman isnt with him coz she did like him in the first place?

So a guy woos, it happens all the time, does this mean he didnt like her in the first place and was only pretending to like her to get to her?

Nah all guys go for a root and if they cant get that then too bad for them and so the female knows this and plays on this feeling, it happens all the time, you see it all the time not sure what it is?

I guess its what people do.

Socially to one another. Its courting ritual they play out time and time again why i have no idea suppossedly for some sort of payoff?

Hey if you like someone let them know coz you never know when you will have the chance to ever again.

I am not the person to comment though been thru too much and just realising it now, bust up of a marriage and 2 kids involved been six years but still miss him heaps still that wont let me deter from what it is I must do

I have been through too much to really give a fuck about such things as my main mission in life is to wipe Evil from the face of the earth and I ask of you -Are you Evil?-

Yeh calling card purpose extraordinaire

He lucky he got to woo her
she lucky he got to woo her
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I dont understand why would a woman be with someone who she didnt like in the first place.

So a guy likes girl and woos her you think she with him coz he wooed her and not coz she actually likes him?

Usually girls be with whoever they want to regardless of whether they are wooed or not.

Its nice to be wooed and charmed but that doesnt make the basis of if a girl likes you.

Just coz a guy woos a girl that guy and girl may not even like each other and they just like the attention wooing brings? If this is what you think when wooing someone than obviously you are going to think oh she is expecting too much and go away and whatever and then get paranoid about her thinking things she doesnt even think of and has you running around in circles worrying about nothing. Now if thats how you want to live your life than go ahead if the stress dont kill ya i dont know what will.

Another thing you may secretly like this perceived 'stress' it causes you to have a high like no other and has you hooked but no you can not be hooked thats the last thing you "want" so the thoughts go around and around and it continues on until you do something about it.

The dreaded thinking about someone 24/7, been there done that took me a long time to get over it and maybe you could go woo someone else that helps to get over it seriously it really does but make sure you are over it before hooking up with someone else coz if you dont it wont work and than get into more crap than previous.

Yeh to stop the cycle of thoughts of love, its very hard to do but not impossible. Have you wanted to stop this? If so then go google about it and see if that helps
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She wants to be wanted so fucking bad, that she agrees to be with a guy in his terms ... it's sickening.

If she isn't attracted to the guy, then keep fucking walking ... don't cave in just because he's charming.

Guys aren't stupid ... they know that all they have to do is use the L word, and the female falls at his feet.

and then to beat all .... after he gets what he wants from her, she comes in here to cry about how he used her ... as if she had no brain cells to figure it out.


Seriously ..... what the fuck?
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I liked myex the first time I saw him so it was attraction on my behalf not sure what it was on his and this is why it didnt work coz he lied about how he felt in the first place.

Now that I understand that his concept of 'love' was different to mine, it is not so bad and also the fact he was set up to be with me by some unknown cunt of a bastard, makes me realise myex is a good guy and who ever set him is the bad guy (well that depends on the reason why). Anyway I got the chance to be married and have a home and kids and it all and it was good while it lasted but until I found he wasnt the one for me and then I had to go and do my mission.

So yes that sux and I hate everyone for it, your point is?

What a guy woos a girl and isnt attracted yo? Happens all the time no different to anyone else, next- ushers you along the line of many, what next you gonna blame the girl and say that she was not attracted to you in the first place and this is why you left? When she was attracted to you in the first place and it was because of this that you left her and not the other way around. I have been thru this too many times really, and yeh now that I can see it for what it really is I feel much better in that I dont blame myself at all for anything that had happened and that it was all like the rest of my life a set up by whom it does not matter.

So thank you for the lesson Mister.

Til next time Goodbye!
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Oddly enough, tho... It happens to the best of us at one point in our lives... Whether young or older... Until we learn not to "settle".





And that's ok.

But, what isn't ok, is when females do it over and over and over ... and never realize that they are suppose to have some integrity.
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Yea, I agree with you there, as well. I've had friends that were like that. I can't count how many times I've had to ask the if they were serious... Or how many times they were going to go thru the same thing over and over again...

I guess some are just slower at learning than others... *shrugs*
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Ok so whats wrong with wanting to be wanted so fucking bad? Just coz you a dried up old prune and too self conceited to really understand why? or maybe too scared to put yourself out there? Oh you had you heart broken or am protecting it for dear life wheres that getting you?

Whats wrong with agreeing to with a guy on his terms? (especially when that it is his way or the highway and used the girls attraction to his advantage), its called understanding on womans part that if she wanted to be with him then do what he wants and all is good with the world, sometimes you gotta do these things in order to understand self that much better, I dont see how that is so wrong and so sickening.

From what you have written I do think guys are stupid, I have been around many and know what they are like and how they are and not only that what the females are like as well. i have seen too many people go thru crap they did not have to coz of the way you are typing now (if that is what you think then go find some one else will fall at your feet) so dont come crawling back to me like some injured dog that you are and cry me a river coz you love interest did not work out, ok.
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I would love to be wooed!



Me too!

What's the alternative? Women wooing men? Someone has to make a start. I am a chaser by nature, and I soooo have to keep myself in check to avoid doing it.

Nothing more annoying that being wooed by someone you don't like, though. Unless you are a Leo, I would imagine 🙂.

Could someone be so blinded by the woos, to enter a relationship just because of them? That would be really a shame, because wooing is the first thing that stops when you gave in!

I had two Tauri wooing me over 7 years. I will definitely remember them with fondness towards the end of my life.

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Posted by Undine

Could someone be so blinded by the woos, to enter a relationship just because of them?






Normally, it's because the female is desperately seeking to be loved. Then she forms unrealistic expectations that he must love her ... even though she is able to come to a forum, like dxp for example, and type out how he uses her - she isn't able to actualize it .. she will continue saying that it's love.

It is incredibly a shame ...

There doesn't appear to be any sense of sound judgment, and so they embark on a mission of wanting affirmation for their fuck ups.

I've no clue why people aren't of sound judgment ... like why aren't you able to realize what is in your best interest?

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Posted by DMV
I would love to be wooed!



Me too!

What's the alternative? Women wooing men? Someone has to make a start. I am a chaser by nature, and I soooo have to keep myself in check to avoid doing it.

Nothing more annoying that being wooed by someone you don't like, though. Unless you are a Leo, I would imagine 🙂.

Could someone be so blinded by the woos, to enter a relationship just because of them? That would be really a shame, because wooing is the first thing that stops when you gave in!

I had two Tauri wooing me over 7 years. I will definitely remember them with fondness towards the end of my life.

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2 men trying to sweep u off ur feet? Jelly
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Posted by Undine

Could someone be so blinded by the woos, to enter a relationship just because of them?






Normally, it's because the female is desperately seeking to be loved. Then she forms unrealistic expectations that he must love her ... even though she is able to come to a forum, like dxp for example, and type out how he uses her - she isn't able to actualize it .. she will continue saying that it's love.

It is incredibly a shame ...

There doesn't appear to be any sense of sound judgment, and so they embark on a mission of wanting affirmation for their fuck ups.

I've no clue why people aren't of sound judgment ... like why aren't you able to realize what is in your best interest?

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it has to be the codependency
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Today, there was a female who was completely clueless to any part of this thread, and her profile says she's 27


twenty-fucking-seven years old ... and you STILL have no clue that it's up to YOU to provide for yourself what is in your best interest?


It fucking boggles my mind .... how the hell are you people suppose to run the country one day when you cannot even run yourselves?
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I can understand the point being made here to some extent but initial attractions are largely superficial since there's no way of knowing the person until after they've been given a chance. And just because a woman might find someone attractive in the beginning doesn't mean that they're a good match, or even a good person for that matter.

But then again I'll have to admit to some bias on this one. If women only went by their first attractions I would never get laid lol.
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Ok I am going to just say it- that when two people who are attracted to one another does not necessarily mean they stay together, more often than not what happens is that they pass each other knowing they are attracted to each other not knowing why and sail off into the night each attracting their own magenetic about others, this causes them much pain and heartache until they wake up and realise what is really going on here.

Its like when two people who have both ~positive and negative~ run past each other, they both know they are the same which is "(attraction)" yet something tells them that it wrong to feel like this and thus fight one another or themselves or cause them real hatred toward pretty much everything not understanding that this is completely normal and happens all the time when two likeminded individuals meet.

Just because it does not feel like attraction like the attraction toward the 'magenetic about others' does not mean it is not attraction in the sense of the word attraction.
Its everything all combined into 1. {Biologic, Chemicalogic, Physicalogic}= one single organism of Energy attraction which is positive

What happens here is that each person is both [positive and negative] =a zero= and this neutralizes the air around them everytime they meet hence the "(attraction)"

(M) (F)
|+| |+| = One big floatilia of energy (positive), [void and null], its like {ground zero}
|-| |-| creates energy of a special kind and creates "a new world" or so to speak.
|0| |0| ( I did not think I would ever see this happen in my lifetime )RARE PHENOMONOM

( hardly ever happens in a persons life time let alone life generation/s)

you know how the old saying goes ( I want my nom noms now! )

: two wrongs(negatives) do not make a right(positive), which I often thought about and somehow they knew they did and never understood how this was so until this morning when I woke up.

To that guy who said that to me most times, you are a genius and I thank you for the breakthru i have been looking for all my life I could not have done it without you and really wouldnt want to neither

To the top scientists that are out there reading this, I dedicate this ones for you guys,
(a big thumbs up), just name it after " US " this ones (our Baby) do what you think its prenamed
however (i) do not remember

To the person/s who have prewritten this before (I remember and know I have seen
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To the person/s who have prewritten this before (I remember and know I have seen it twice before somewhere and although I do not remember where I have seen this I know they were trying to explain to me what it is they were saying about the ground zero phenomenon) I totally get what you were both saying and I understand this is what has happened and is happening and yet to happen. Its like everything is colliding into one space. Emerging together and creating new galaxies.

Its like putting the pieces of the puzzle together and seeing the picture in itself good thing I have always liked puzzles.

Anything else I got say, no then very well I must go now and leave you all to it.

Tips her hat
and bows off
of the stage
whilst exiting out
the side door
gracefully,

with a wink in her eye

and that aint rocket scientist i dont know waht is.

This should belong in the science section. Is there a science section? Anyone? Hahaha (L.M.F.A.O.)
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This is partly why I'm stuck in the situation I'm in.

The guy wooed me and I fell for him. Was I attracted to him initially? He was cute, but not someone that caught my eye like THAT. Feelings started to develop on my end and now I'm here.

It's why I posted before that I don't like being wooed. I still don't like it. It IS the guy going after what he wants...but a girl like me LOVES to be wanted, however I find Im also hesitant as it feels manipulative. Its just him imo, doing what he has to do to get his desired result.

My dilemma is, it takes light years for me to initally be attracted to someone. In either case, whether I'm initially attracted to the guy, or the guy chases after me...I still don't know what to do. I'll admit that I'm NOT a woman that knows what she wants, nor am I woman that knows how to get what she wants. It's sad, but it's why I either try to stay away from relationships or don't trip at my treatment.

Maybe more than self esteem it boils down to self awareness and confidence.
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yup, i made a mistake of being with a person that i had no initial attraction for because he wooed me hard. i suppose i manifested in my mind that perhaps this was one of those that would grow on you, but at the same time i was also dealing with post-heartbreak, which also meant low self-esteem... so in a way, him being there wooing me and me giving into it by way of a relationship was like a band aid for deeper set issues. big big mistake. also... this set-up makes me question the ardent pursuer because well.. is he pursuing because he truly likes the person or is it another case of wanting what you can't have, and then once obtained, discarding it for something else that is unobtainable? both parties are susceptible of foibles, it seems.
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Ok I am going to just say it- that when two people who are attracted to one another does not necessarily mean they stay together, more often than not what happens is that they pass each other knowing they are attracted to each other not knowing why and sail off into the night each attracting their own magenetic about others, this causes them much pain and heartache until they wake up and realise what is really going on here.





This thread isn't about being attracted to one another. This is actually about a guy who is attracted to the female, she's not attracted to him, but is so desperate takes him because he charmed her. Big difference, and 3/4 of the females in DXP.
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Posted by lnana04
This is partly why I'm stuck in the situation I'm in.

The guy wooed me and I fell for him. Was I attracted to him initially? He was cute, but not someone that caught my eye like THAT. Feelings started to develop on my end and now I'm here.

It's why I posted before that I don't like being wooed. I still don't like it. It IS the guy going after what he wants...but a girl like me LOVES to be wanted, however I find Im also hesitant as it feels manipulative. Its just him imo, doing what he has to do to get his desired result.

My dilemma is, it takes light years for me to initally be attracted to someone. In either case, whether I'm initially attracted to the guy, or the guy chases after me...I still don't know what to do. I'll admit that I'm NOT a woman that knows what she wants, nor am I woman that knows how to get what she wants. It's sad, but it's why I either try to stay away from relationships or don't trip at my treatment.

Maybe more than self esteem it boils down to self awareness and confidence.



I dont think you have self esteem issues. I think you are smart and insightful.
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Stemming from what?

Are they left alone to often as children ... or too much attention?



well, some people feel like they have no identity outside of a relationship. They dont feel constructive or complete or even like they fit in. Being in a relationship gives them purpose. They even take on some of thr traits of their partner.

im auite the opposite, when im in a relationship I lose my identity.
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Posted by lnana04


This is partly why I'm stuck in the situation I'm in.

The guy wooed me and I fell for him. Was I attracted to him initially? He was cute, but not someone that caught my eye like THAT. Feelings started to develop on my end and now I'm here.

It's why I posted before that I don't like being wooed. I still don't like it. It IS the guy going after what he wants...but a girl like me LOVES to be wanted, however I find Im also hesitant as it feels manipulative. Its just him imo, doing what he has to do to get his desired result.

My dilemma is, it takes light years for me to initally be attracted to someone. In either case, whether I'm initially attracted to the guy, or the guy chases after me...I still don't know what to do. I'll admit that I'm NOT a woman that knows what she wants, nor am I woman that knows how to get what she wants. It's sad, but it's why I either try to stay away from relationships or don't trip at my treatment.

Maybe more than self esteem it boils down to self awareness and confidence.





Perhaps for others, but, not for you. You've proven yourself time and again that you're a smart and valuable person in here ... I can imagine how it must be in real life having you.

I like that you are able to look at yourself honestly ... many people cannot do that.

You said, "I still don't know what to do. I'll admit that I'm NOT a woman that knows what she wants, nor am I woman that knows how to get what she wants."

There's nothing wrong with dating the field, so long as all the parties are honest. And I believe that you are probably one of those women who are capable of doing it, without letting your emotions get you twisted.

But, if you go prolonged periods of time without a partner .... then desperation sets in, and then everything snowballs.

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Posted by bloodflood

yup, i made a mistake of being with a person that i had no initial attraction for because he wooed me hard.

... is he pursuing because he truly likes the person or is it another case of wanting what you can't have, and then once obtained, discarding it for something else that is unobtainable?







You have no clue how badly I wish that women would recognize this shit BEFORE they step into their own pile of shit ... it is the basis for 99% of my irritation on this site.

Just think, goddam it ..... think

don't just go googly-eyed because he looked at you .... dudes are on the prowl for ass, not love.

It just boggles my mind that people can actually live and experience life but cannot put two and two together.

Women dress to impress, sometimes they even try to be sexy and alluring .... and then are fucking clueless that when a guy looks at her that it's looking at her for the exact reason she made this impression upon him.

That's not to say that a guy isn't going to like the girl, and want to get to know her ... but, the point is ... he looks at you sexually initially because that's how you presented yourself to gain his attention.

So, how in the world does this same woman loose all of her fucking senses and believe that if he is trying to get her, it's because he must love her?


:::: shakes head ::::


It happens all the time. I could go to any room of the signs or relationships and find a thread where the girl fell for a guy she wasn't attracted to, and is now whining because he isn't living up to her fanatical expectations.
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Well someone has to strike an interest first.

P-angel, you're basically implying that if the woman isn't the 1 who felt the interest first, it must not be legit. That doesn't even make any sense.

In fairytale land, 2 people meet, fall in love with each other at the exact same time & from there, their feelings are 100% in sync with each other's. Keyword was FAIRYTALE

True interest that goes beyond lust takes time. Sometimes a man likes a woman more than she likes him at FIRST. That doesn't mean that this will be how it is for the entirety of the whole relationship.

It is just your ASSUMPTION that the only explanation for why a woman would entertain a man she's only a little interested in must 100% be because she enjoys that he likes her. That's just an assumption.

This happens with men all the time. A woman likes him wayyyyyy more than he likes her, but over time, they gradually build an equal interest in each other. To say that the same can't happen in reverse is just crazy. THOSE relationships are VERY realistic & last a lot longer.

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The reason so many relationships are being formed b/w 2 unrealistic people is because people expect the moon & the stars up front. No one is patient. People want you to be 100% interested in their mind, body, spirit & soul on the 3rd date or else they're ready to throw you to the wind.

F the fact that some people are not as easily impressed by the "cheap talk" & fronts a lot of people put on in the beginning. Some people would much rather reserve their feelings for someone who can impress them & prove themselves to them over time!!! There is nothing wrong or "unrealistic" as you say, about that.

People want to see & have everything RIGHT FREAKIN NOW & if not, they'll just over-analyze it too death, question it & the end result is that things never get off the ground to begin with after all of that crap ruining the natural flow of the relationship, in which the natural flow is what made things more fun & genuine to begin with!!!

When I 1st met my husband, he liked me waaaaaay more than I liked him. I respected that he was secure & man enough to not take the subtle rejection as a call to completely throw me to the wind. He knew up front AND respected that I wasn't easily impressed by all the "words." And guess what I RESPECTED that his ego was small enough that he'd be willing to work for what he wanted as opposed to some men who can't handle it just b/c a woman doesn't think he's God gift's to earth in the way that he believes that himself.

I learned a lot about him while he was chasing me hard long before the interest was 100% equal. It taught me that he's a man who knows what he wants, is secure & doesn't mind being patient. I wasn't obligated to like him just b/c he liked me. I LIKED that he liked me (as any woman should lol) but I wasn't obligated to like him back. After I saw that over time I actually got to know the person he was AND liked him after it all, THAT is when our attraction became mutual & equal & we've been married & like 2 peas in a pod ever since.
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Posted by Lib911

Most of the successful marriages I know started off with little or no attraction. It started off as friendship. I think that the one where you fall for the guy hard because the chemistry on your side is too strong, is actually the most dangerous one.



I don't think the amount of attraction matters. What matters is the relationship's foundation. We all start off with new ones cemented with hopes, promises, and hormones but it must be strengthened and maintained to withstand time.


Also, I don't think we should be deeming marriages as successful or otherwise until it's conclusion because, "...till death do us part", and all...
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