Sag Men ...........

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Are you for real? Or, is it just me being stupid?


It hasn't hit me like a ton of bricks ...... YET.


And so, I will remove myself from his presence, since I'm married .... but, for real .... are you men really this direct, and blunt with honesty, because if so .. I might have to go kill myself. 🙂🙂

but, for real .... are you men really this direct, and blunt with honesty, yes they are - very shocking really.

Now we have that out of the way, how about some more juice? 😉
What? I had to ask !

P-Angel

I'd like to hear more because what I think I'm hearing is what kind of happened to me and still is.

You gave me advice about a year ago and it has stuck with me - good stuff.

Just curious.

lol gotta love sag honesty hehe

I have a sag that has come back into my life after 13 years. We are so far just e-mailing. One thing I remember about him is how brutally honest he was. He never just kept anything inside. He totally wore his heart on his sleeve. One day he would be saying let's just get married and the next day he would say. I don't know what I was thinking. I'm not ready to get married. He had to verbalize every little thing that was on his mind even at the expense at hurting my feelings. It drove me nuts, but on the other hand I never had to guess what he was thinking good or bad I at all times knew exactly where I stood. It was hard though because ignorance can be bliss sometimes. I think I would have rather not heard some of the negative things he was thinking🙂

Man, my knees become weak in his presence .. no shit.

And it's not even a chemistry thing ... you know, where there's this energy force pulling at you. It wasn't until I spent some time with him and listened to him talk to people that my heart wanted to leap from my chest.

Where we go, it's kareokee (>> point blank exactly what he thinks or feels.


And this sends me into infatuation mode because he can HANDLE my utter directness right back .. he'll say something, I'll give my blunt remark right back .. he'll smile and go sing me a song.


OMG .. OMG !!!!!!!!!!!

Oooops, that made no sense .. see, I can't even talk 😉

I meant to say ... he sings for me at kareokee .. that mess up in that post was suppose to infer (spelling of kareokee).

And that when he talks to people >>>>>>> point blank exactly what he thinks or feels.

Well for your sake I hope you are only getting the good part of the Sag man. The horrible side is REALLY bad. How old is he? From my experience the younger the more insecure. With my sag, he was either being the most loving person in the world who completely got me like no other man, or he would be a total nightmare of an insecure mess. There was no in between. The worst thing is they have the power to pull you right into their world.

"he was either being the most loving person in the world who completely got me like no other man, or he would be a total nightmare of an insecure mess"


That wouldn't really scare me, or worry me .. I like a person who EXPRESSES whatever it is they are feeling.


"One day he would be saying let's just get married and the next day he would say. I don't know what I was thinking. I'm not ready to get married."

Like that ^^^^ for example.


Feelings change, sometimes with each passing minute ... or something that you feel today, and you want to say it, may not be what you want to say tomorrow. Doesn't mean you don't still feel it, just means that you want to express a different feeling today, and this different feeling may be in contrary to how you felt yesterday.

We are beings full of all kinds of different feelings, sometimes regarding the same issue.


And for a person to feel free in expressing all these varying feelings, even if they are contrary ... me loves.

I'm not sure how old he is .... he's just getting out of a marriage that lasted 21 years .. he looks around 40-42.


Just talking about him so I can relish in it ..... because I certainly cannot be around him. When the infatuation passes, I'll be able to see him again.

that was juicy --- thanx ! 😛

so what if he infatuation never passes?

My infatuation has never passed after 18 years and we were seperated for 13 years of that.

"I thought your heart was locked up behind an iron curtain."

Actually, it is your heart that is locked, fs ... and is the reason why you don't know what freedom of yourself is, and is also why you cannot understand my words .... because my words express the avenue to emotional freedom, but, you hear them as a blockage of feelings, because your heart is locked behind an iron curtain of what you want life to mean, rather than what life is.



No way archer .... just enjoying ... and it's so sweet. I have to be around him tonight, tomorrow night and Tuesday night. He said he is going to practice the words to the Eagle song, A Hole in the World ... and sing it for me, since it's my favorite Eagle's song.

And you know what else? He might sing like crapola, for alls I know .... to me, it sounds like an Angels' melody.

Damn, zen .. what if it never passes? Zen hands PA a reality check !!!!!

What if it never passes 😢

oops didn't mean to spoil the enjoyment season...
*takes back the reality check card *

don't worry, p-angel, it'll pass 😉

Oh god. Why don't you just get divorced?

First you're admiring a Cappy and now a Sag whie you'e married?

erm, marriage means you can't admire anyone else ? 😕

For what reasons do people get divorce? If its for small flirts and fantasy, then men should file for divorce five times a days.

well put likebrad - so eloquent 😉

Emotional cheating tsk tsk and wetting your panties for another man other than your husband.


What a sweet and loyal marriage.

I wish I had what P-Angel has 😢

likebrad,

that's why no one gets married now a days and I honestly don't blame them. Especially people who think like you 😉

mystic, hope you get what you're looking for...

Last night, he came up to me and said that he's got a job interview in Ohio (which is far away), with this big smile on his face. With the job market these days, any interview is worth everything to feel happy about.

He wanted some encouragement, he got it from me. I think he was made happy. I guess since his long-term marriage is in the process of being dissolved, and his chilren are gone from the nest, he just needs someone to smile back, tell him that, "That's great", and be happy for him that he's able to move on from this chapter in his life. Moving away is good for him, since his soon-to-be-ex is here.

Weird thing though .. he announces to me what he's doing, where he's going .. like why he was late last night, which doesn't matter .. or when he has to go tinkle and gets up to go to the Men's Room.

🙂🙂 I hope he gets this job, so he can move forward in his life.

lol, that was funny, and it is when he announces these things to me too.

I just giggle and say soemthing like .. "Ok, then, hope the water isn't too cold" 😛


He's a darling of a man ... full of smiles, just a happy heart. Some people don't get him, though, I think. Some people think he's being rude because he'll just "say" whatever it is on his mind. But, if you listen and watch, you'll see that he deosn't mean any ill-intent, he's just completely honest and will speak his mind.

I'm trying to stay clear of him, but, I can feel him from across the room now .... hopefully, he'll get the job and move away. 🙂

😢

well p-ang, if he doesn't move, we get more juice 😉
yea what ? you don't like juice ?

lol, zen ... yeah, juice, and in ways I won't talk about in here 😛

Yeah, I'm married, Ashley .. to a Virgo man .. for quite a few years.


Our marriage is no longer sexual ..

yes Ashley,
eff as much as you can now girl ! 😛

P-Angel! I laughed through this entire thread. I'm with my first Sag ever and its like you are describing him to a tee! LOVES karoke, singing, and generally being a bit a spectacle.....says whatever comes to mind for everything......sometimes he'll get stuck though, like his mind is trying to catch up to his mouth....its very endearing.

But how is a sex bomb Pisces like you going to remain satisfied in a non-physical marriage? I have to say when it goes, I go. It sounds terrible, but that is a very important aspect to a relationship....especially to us fishys!

In the meantime, enjoy the fantasy.......it is the 2nd best thing we do

Mclure ... the relationship just evolved that way.

We share our life in a different way now .. more spiritual. To tell you the truth, I actually like him better this way, now. When we were a physical couple, we experienced things that were ego-based, as all couples do when it comes to attention ... not enough attention on the ego level really messes up a lot of people.

Because we aren't physical any longer ... we are much more free in our marriage to experience other people without any upsets. Like for example, several months ago a man friend of ours rode with me to run some errands. This man didn't need to run any errands himself, he just went along, spent the day with me in the car .... before, my husband might have freaked out a little about this .. now, he knows it doesn't mean anything except just two friends together, sharing thier day.


However, I am still human, so naughty fantasies run through my head sometimes 😕 🙂 Especially when I think about Sean Bean 🙂

Hi P-Angel,

I'm charmed by a Saggie man right now too 😄 Isn't it odd how they come out of no where? He said his birthday was December 21 -- thats VERY close to my birthday, actually we are both on the cusp. We seem to have the same spirit but he seems a bit shyer -- he says wants on his mind still lol, I'm just so darn animated, but I keep him laughing 😉


I know he's dating someone but I don't know how serious they are so I will keep the friendship going and I will wait and see.

Don't worry about how you speak to me Ashley, so long as it's honestly point-blank, and no beating-around-the-bush. I like that Sagi quality 🙂🙂

Our sexless marriage doesn't have anything to do with our sex drives .. both of us still have a strong libido. I can't ever imagine not fantasizing, lusting .. though lust is really bad for the soul, I realize.

Ashley, our marriage was near an end a couple years ago, when I first came here to dxp. Oh Lord, if you could have heard the way I talked about my husband then, it was horrible. People think I'm mean now .. that's nothing compared to then. I was purging him from me, by means of spewing my hatred towards him in here. And the whole problem with our marriage was the intimacy, and not really the sex, though sexual relations between us was effected by this intimacy issue, since I'm a girl and HAVE to have emotional support through intimacy.

So, we were barely hanging on to each other, finding it more and more difficult to embrace a bridge .. divorce was on our minds. However, we do have common interests, we've been married for 26 years. So, naturally, we have a bond, we have properties, grandchildren, pets, everything we both have in life, we've gotten as a couple.

We really didn't want to break up ... this was our only marital issue, and other than that side of us, we got along perfectly well. The issue at hand was dominoing down to the other parts of the marriage that had never been in trouble before. So, we made the decision that we would halt the physical side of us to see if we could move close together again differently.

Thus far, it's working pretty good. Without having sexual contact, we are forced to share emotions with each other on levels we never did before. It's like ... if your feeling a person, and you can sex them up, then sometimes, you neglect to "tell" them how much they mean to you because all of these feelings are released non-verbally.

And people NEED to hear the words, they need to have trust in the closeness of each other, without it meaning an orgasm.

So, this is where our marriage evolved to in order to save it.

Hope that makes sense. 🙂

Ashley, our marriage was near an end a couple years ago, when I first came here to dxp. Oh Lord, if you could have heard the way I talked about my husband then, it was horrible. People think I'm mean now .. that's nothing compared to then. I was purging him from me, by means of spewing my hatred towards him in here. And the whole problem with our marriage was the intimacy, and not really the sex, though sexual relations between us was effected by this intimacy issue, since I'm a girl and HAVE to have emotional support through intimacy.

Oh my goodness, you are a strong woman P-Angel

I can't even imagine not having emotional support through intimacy -- I have to feel something with the guy I'm with. I can't just romp around, you know. There has to be some sort of 'boom' there or else I get uninterested and I can't go back ...

And I don't think you were being mean, I read some of you things 🙂 You were just ranting and venting about issues you were having and thats normal ^_^.

If that were the case, then I would despite cancer and virgo guys but thats far from the truth, you know 🙂

that was nice p-ang. made me smile and inspirational. real rare these days. thanks.

yup, that is a sag man for you. Be very careful PA.....they have a way of hooking you and bailing.

What is it with Sag man leaving and just when you are done with any hint of memory of them they appear again? *sigh*

I went to high school with this guy and we recently reconnected, and I swear we still adore one another however he is married. I had no idea he was a sag.....explains everything. This little fishy....tucking her heart away. However the irony we talked of some very memorable times with one another as if it were yesterday. He is married now. 😢

Damn archers ........I wish they were not so likeable. *stomps off*

PD

WTF Ash—? Who said anything about a marriage proposal....I am talking about leaving just when it is getting good......There is not even a thought or a chance to even think about a marriage proposal because they are gone like a flash in the pan.

Best way to define Sag is like they have ADD .......They just move around to the next adventure, just when things are getting good. I imagine there are not many Sag authors because they don't have attention span to finish much. *Sigh*

This I will agree with you on >>> "Dont always read too much into a sagi though, because the minute you do they go oh hey im moving to atlanta."

I swear if I did not like Sag people so much and have this amazing connection, I would not even waste my time. It usually hurts too much. 😢

PD

My dear Archer ....ohhh how I love thee

Okay ....sure whatever you say my dear.....but I am going to call a spade a spade when I see it, no matter how we want to pant thee. 😛

Sag Men = Mind F**k that I fall for every time. *sigh* 😢

PD

Gosh my spelling has been so bad lately... *paint thee*

lol pd. you sound sag yourself 🙂

I am very Sag ...lol 5 placements in Sag.

PD

that does it ash, take off your clothes... you're itching for some discipline

ok, we can swap the paddles for summ else... what to substitute is the question. oh what ?
*takes of clothes while thinking*

"MIND FUCK.. is not easy to achieve... dont look down upon it"

Very true Ms. Archer you bring a good point to this discussion.......this aries moon has no patience for the mind game though......you know aries .....wants it her way NOW!!!! 😛

Ash,

You did not upset me.

As for the Sag men in my life .....that is the problem ....I cannot possibly hate them for being them. So bad apple .....never ......frustrating .....YES INDEED!!! 😛 The best I can explain it, connection with Sag is so warm, inviting, stimulating on every level, than poof .....they leave and disappear. I don't get this. With having a lot of sag in my chart and rising and mars I am somewhat like this when I get restless and bored ....I am on to the next adventure too, but in love I got that damn capricorn venus who thrives on union and making plans for the future blah blah blah ...cannot do that with a sag. See those Sag's just need to hit me over the head with a sledghammer because it hurts too much when they leave. 😢 I don't get this.

PD

See what I mean about Archers doing disappearing act .......poof .....archer is gone. No warning ......nothing........here......and.....gone. 😢

What happened to her? Is she on that arrow you talk about Ash?

PD

I just finished dealing with two Sag men and they were both confusing and hot and cold. If they're really into you they will do anything for you and drop everything for you. If they aren't sure or aren't interested, they will play the hot and cold game. My advice is, if they aren't always hot about you then they probably aren't that interested. That's just my experience.