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I've heard many things said about us and those things have covered both extremes. Warm, loving, caring, courageous. Also, mean spirited, careless, and I've even heard that we're stalkers. I get a chuckle out of that one.

So, if you have questions, feel free to ask them here. I try to explain to the best of my ability, but on a more spiritual level and less astrological. After all, the spirit is where it begins and ends.



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Posted by MsSag86
Do you like making love or having casual sex with someone that you know you do not connect with emotionally??..what do you consider making love vs. sex?? do u run from love or try to When you know you have already fallen?



I prefer to make love and actually I won't do either unless an emotional connection is present. This is something that I've grown into. To me, making love is serious. It is the physical expression of emotions...words that cannot be said but felt. The purest expression of the spirit bond. Sex can range from light and fun to passionate and intense on into s and m but making love is much deeper.

I've never ran from love. In fact, being in love only makes me pursue harder with the pursuit being patient and steady. Fearless as in not afraid to try. Sadly, some fear with wisdom. I'm a "friends first" type of guy. I don't run, I simply leave and that's after being hurt repeatedly.
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Posted by Sag89
Sag men are beautiful.



^ They so are, inside and out. Intellectually, a sag male has been able to teach me, fascinate me and keep me mentally hooked and wanting more, especially on spiritual/higher learning topics. I was with a sag for about 6 months and I learned so much from him, some of which I have started to actively promote in my own life. It was so refreshing to meet someone with the same outlook and viewpoints as myself without seeming misunderstood. He was funny, romantic, caring, affectionate and loving. I absolutely adored this part of his personality.

A downside is we are both inconsistent so we stalemate. We both exhibit the 'not-so-nice' traits of sag (not responding to texts/calls) and sometimes it's a challenge to push through barriers and actively make an effort. I know this is the case with me, anyway.

This is the first sag I have encountered and I do think we display extremes. In them six months we cried, argued, laughed, stargazed, swam...twas wonderful :-)

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Why would a sag guy say he has been sending messages to my phone when he actually hasn't?!?
I changed my phone number a month ago (but still kept my old phone also) and when I saw him after 6wks he asked me if I had changed my number and when I had done it - he seemed a little concerned that I wouldn't have received his texts
Why would he want me to think he was texting me when he actually wasn't?!?
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Posted by Bailee06
Why would a sag guy say he has been sending messages to my phone when he actually hasn't?!?
I changed my phone number a month ago (but still kept my old phone also) and when I saw him after 6wks he asked me if I had changed my number and when I had done it - he seemed a little concerned that I wouldn't have received his texts
Why would he want me to think he was texting me when he actually wasn't?!?



In order to keep you around. The ultimate reason for keeping you interested could be varied. Does he want a relationship eventually or are you there for him to return to? Who knows. Tell him what you're looking for and he either steps up or not. You have to set up boundaries with us or we'll keep running in and out. I read your thread. Don't take his interest in your children as a sign that he wants you. We are very generous in nature and caring, but that doesn't mean we want to be with you. I know thus is confusion because it gives you the vision of what is possible. When we want you, we'll make our intentions known and pursue it with all our energy.


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When a sag says he likes me but isn't ready for anything at the moment and can only offer my friendship right now. What does this normally mean?
He started off really liking me, and telling me to just give him space when I came on too strong.
I don't know if he was telling me he just doesn't want to be with me and fobbing me off or he was being genuine and he does want something with me eventually but he really isn't ready!
I'm gonna give him the space he wants now and just see how he reacts! Surely if he didnt want me around and didnt want to be with me though he would just tell me instead of stringing me along
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Posted by Bailee06
When a sag says he likes me but isn't ready for anything at the moment and can only offer my friendship right now. What does this normally mean?
He started off really liking me, and telling me to just give him space when I came on too strong.
I don't know if he was telling me he just doesn't want to be with me and fobbing me off or he was being genuine and he does want something with me eventually but he really isn't ready!
I'm gonna give him the space he wants now and just see how he reacts! Surely if he didnt want me around and didnt want to be with me though he would just tell me instead of stringing me along



It means just that...he's not ready and he knows you are. Its basically an invite to a friends with benefits situation. We give you the choice as to whether you get involved with us or not. He may want something with you eventually, but right now, no. It old be several things. He's hurt and afraid or something abou you makes him not want to commit. Its not that you're a bad person or that you're doing something wrong. It could be that who you are gives him pause because he knows what he's looking for and you may no fit tat description but he still likes you and done thing about you attracts him. So he won't say anything and hope you will change on your own and allow him to get closer. He keeps in touch every once in a while to see if you've changed.
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Thanks!
I honestly think he meant what he said, and that he backed off snd his guards went up because I just didnt give him the space he kept asking me for!!!
I only learn when it's too late, and now only text him every now and again to say hi and ask how he is - nothing more!
Just hope by giving him this space he decides to come back!!!
Really think he as jealous the other day - saw him, he was nice, saw him
again a short time later and asked what another guys name he worked with was (no I didn't fancy him). He looked at me funny n rudely said he didn't know. As soon as I immediately looked at him, smiled n concentrated on him he changed, was all nice and smiled back - odd creatures, but he's got hold of my head n heart!!!
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Posted by coldwater
Beautiful soul......

Why would a sag male slow down on sex with you? He still initiates contact... etc. I did tell him I wasnt waiting around without guarantees. Shoot.. maybe I killed his sex drive. I did ask him if he didn't want sex anymore....he said if when he feels like that he will let me know. Guess I'm not supposed to be having sex anyways. Dang I know this reads bad.



Interesting...have you two bern arguing for a while? When I lose interest in a woman, I withdraw completely...including sex. How long has it been like this?
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Posted by SingASong41
If sag males are interested, do they sometimes wait for you to approach them first? I'm sure this sag guy is interested, but we don't really talk much. When we do though, we have good conversations and he's always "touchy" as in hugging me and putting his arm around me. Or maybe he's just being friendly. Either way, should I start making the "first moves"?



It really depends upon his age and placements. When I was younger, I always jumped head first. Now, I observe and Im reserved but I make my intentions known. It seems he likes you but wants to take it slow. We're affectionate even when we don't have a romantic interest in you. He's attracted to your conversations. We love to talk about deep meaningful subjects. We are honest. Just ask him_??
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Posted by Bailee06
Thanks!
I honestly think he meant what he said, and that he backed off snd his guards went up because I just didnt give him the space he kept asking me for!!!
I only learn when it's too late, and now only text him every now and again to say hi and ask how he is - nothing more!
Just hope by giving him this space he decides to come back!!!
Really think he as jealous the other day - saw him, he was nice, saw him
again a short time later and asked what another guys name he worked with was (no I didn't fancy him). He looked at me funny n rudely said he didn't know. As soon as I immediately looked at him, smiled n concentrated on him he changed, was all nice and smiled back - odd creatures, but he's got hold of my head n heart!!!



Yeah he was jealous lol.
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Yeah we been going at it. But....I've been trying to defuse things. He wants things his way, which is the right way. I offered to just try to be friends ... strictly friends...he ignored me and got so nasty. Fine. ..Fine! So the sex stays. He wants control over everything. I think the biggest thing I've ever decided was something he asked my opinion about. Its just super crazy crazy. I feel he cuts me off at my knees. He always one ups me... which infuriates me even more. And he's sooooo calm. He won't eVen argue with me. I try to tell him how I feel and he leaves mid conversation. He just got done ignoring me for two weeks. And when he came back he asked if I was ready to behave. If not he will check back in seven more days. He won't move any faster than he wants and yet he won't move out the way either. I even tried being calm and explaining things but he says. ...I'm sorry you unhappy...I'm just a bad person. .... then I feel bad and start saying. ..u a great person.

I get so frustrated I will send him 150 texts a day at least. Sometimes I send crazy stuff like. .I Just can't live without you. ..I wanna make some babies. .. stuff i know will get him. He gets me back too tho.

We share pluto square sun. And our moon falls in the eighth house. We both have pluto square venus natal.


We kinda calm right now. It is true...either love or hate here.
The Sex thing is new. ... maybe it a control thing. Are u kidding me? Got me begging for sex. Sigh..I'm gonna lose it again. No man makes me beg for anything.

Just thought I'd ask a sane Sagittarius male.
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Beautiful soul......

Why would a sag male slow down on sex with you? He still initiates contact... etc. I did tell him I wasnt waiting around without guarantees. Shoot.. maybe I killed his sex drive. I did ask him if he didn't want sex anymore....he said if when he feels like that he will let me know. Guess I'm not supposed to be having sex anyways. Dang I know this reads bad.



Interesting...have you two bern arguing for a while? When I lose interest in a woman, I withdraw completely...including sex. How long has it been like this?
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i was gonna say this, but i see you are handling it...lol
beautiful soul...do you ever not want to have sex with someone because of the ample amount of disdain you have for them?
i mean, wild horses couldn't stop me from doing my man, even if we've had the argument of LIFE, i would still want to sex him because it's like medicine for the heart, so to speak. but if i truly have contempt for someone, you couldn't pay me enough to even think about sleeping with them.
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I offered friendship multiple times. I would think if he wanted an out...I gave him one. He just gets really nasty and says ...u don't want crap to do with him. I've even brought up other females.. he says I'm not looking for another female. If I press, he will walk out mid conversation. I've even tried establishing exactly what are we. Its like he's just rooted but I'm a capricorn Venus. .shoot give me something here. I know he will never leave me. The only way he would is if I betray him. He says he trusts me.

So it seems like the sex has droped off . The man is awesome in bed. I want. .I want...I want. Just seems like he's keeping me away from him. I told him i know things have been strained lately. ...he says that's not it. Maybe too many emotions flying around.

Anyway right or wrong i made an executive decision.If u are gonna be around and I can't date and can't see another man. .. then how about taking out the garbage?



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Beautiful soul......

Why would a sag male slow down on sex with you? He still initiates contact... etc. I did tell him I wasnt waiting around without guarantees. Shoot.. maybe I killed his sex drive. I did ask him if he didn't want sex anymore....he said if when he feels like that he will let me know. Guess I'm not supposed to be having sex anyways. Dang I know this reads bad.



Interesting...have you two bern arguing for a while? When I lose interest in a woman, I withdraw completely...including sex. How long has it been like this?



i was gonna say this, but i see you are handling it...lol
beautiful soul...do you ever not want to have sex with someone because of the ample amount of disdain you have for them?
i mean, wild horses couldn't stop me from doing my man, even if we've had the argument of LIFE, i would still want to sex him because it's like medicine for the heart, so to speak. but if i truly have contempt for someone, you couldn't pay me enough to even think about sleeping with them.
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To answer your question, yes and what's crazy about that is I'm much like you. For me, I guess there's a limit. I was so emotionally distraught and drained that I lost all sexual attraction for one of my exes but yet I loved her dearly.
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@Coldwater: I think now I know why sex has slowed between you two.

When we feel someone isn't right for us, some of us will continue to keep with that person. Some of us won't and I think your situation is the latter. Its not a case of whether what he feels is the way he should be...its how he sees it.

I'll be honest, a Sag male will continue to come in and out if you allow us to...that's the key point. Like most men, we will give you what you allow us to. If you allow confusion, we'll give it. If you allow someone with no direction to come into your life...that's what the relationship be. One of no direction. Love is one thing, but everything else comprises a relationship with love at its center. If there is no respect, honesty, trust, communication, loyalty, faith, etc then no relationship...at a least traditional and healthy one exists. You just have two people trying to decide what they're going to do and wasting a lot of time.

Coldwater, you have to decide what it is you want, make sure its healthy and fills your needs and pursue someone who is offering those things. Know what you can compromise on and what you absolutely have to have. If its a healthy relationship you want, then seek those things I named above in a partner. They're the fundamentals. You can't build a house with no foundation. It'll crumble. Yes, it really is that simple but we as humans keep trying to skip over that part under the guise that healthy relationships are boring and don't have passion. How do you know that when you've never had one? Honestly, this dude ain't right for you but you stay for the connection which is superficial masking as depth. Not that you're superficial. I'm saying that the reasons that draw you to him are not deep. They're at the surface. You two can't even communicate so how is it deep? People fool themselves in that regard. They think its "meant to be" when they're fighting half the time. You change to get results, not get results without change.
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It really depends upon his age and placements. When I was younger, I always jumped head first. Now, I observe and Im reserved but I make my intentions known. It seems he likes you but wants to take it slow. We're affectionate even when we don't have a romantic interest in you. He's attracted to your conversations. We love to talk about deep meaningful subjects. We are honest. Just ask him_—



And that's what throws me off. Because Sags are super friendly which is sometimes mistaken for them being flirty, so I don't want to make a fool out of myself. But I'll do as you say and ask him. Would telling him I'm interested be a bad move?
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I don't think so because he'll be honest. Be tactful in how you approach him. Classy and subtle. If he's interested, he'll ramp it up a bit. It may not be immediate, but you'll know. For me personally, I'll just flat ask you out _??_
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Thanks a lot....

Really thank you.

I actually walked away yesterday. Now, I know he will be back. .but you are right. If you can't provide these basic fundamentals than what do u have really. I'm not a babysitter until maybe someone that is compatible for him comes along. I have accused him of not knowing what he wants and towing the line. Its like I'm in limbo until he decides to make a decision he's taking his time to make. So hopefully we can be friends at least. I really do care for him. But I'm doing what's best for me.

Thanks again.
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Hi Beautifulsoul,

I wrote a topic here about "Will he forgive me" you replied in. I have a question...The sag male told me he didn't want to talk to me again but lately he's been liking the some of my post on fb that isn't private...he is no longer on my friends list but why is he stalking my FB page?? I'm confused..If someone tells me they no longer want contact with me why even bother looking at anything of mines??
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@Eyes84:

He may not want to talk but that doesn't mean he's holding a grudge. We get over things quickly. Here's the implications of that. We may not talk to you or want to be friends but we can still like and respect what you have to say...your thoughts. This aspect about us throws alot of people off. I have several of my exes on my FB page and although we don't speak, I still like their posts and them mine.

He still cares about you and may be willing to resume things but based upon what you told us he said in your thread, he feels you slighted him so you'll have to be the one to approach. He won't come chasing after you. But, him liking your posts is a way to meet you halfway...he's opening the door on purpose. You have to walk through it.
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I don't think so because he'll be honest. Be tactful in how you approach him. Classy and subtle. If he's interested, he'll ramp it up a bit. It may not be immediate, but you'll know. For me personally, I'll just flat ask you out _??_



Alright, we'll see what happens. Thank you beautifulsoul, I appreciate it. 🙂
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You're welcome and good luck!
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Alright ladies, here's a little teaser for you.

A Sag male can constantly hang with you, joke with you, show you attention and affection, but make no mistake about...that doesn't mean we're interested. Some women know this by experience. This is for others who do not know. Its really quite simple and is an approach I take. One, when you're free within yourself, you don't worry about getting because you've accepted that people will disappoint you. When it happens, its no surprise. The popular opinion is that this is fool hearty. How? When you don't accept that you will be disappointed and sometimes hurt, you trap yourself in a pattern of holding grudges....that takes spiritual energy because you're holding onto pain. Why limit yourself? Remember, we're all about ascension...Jupiter calls. Its why when you argue with us and it even gets heated, we can come back a day or even hours later like nothing happened. If we love you, love is more important than a grudge. You may feel differently because the subject of the argument may have been about something you feel demonstrates love. For us, our understanding of love means you don't let those things hold it down...keep it positive. However, it doesn't mean we have and open mind about discussing it afterwards. It is sad.

The second implication of who we are allows us to trust fully and be open. This sharpens our instincts...and yes we're very perceptive. One of the first things we learn about truth and honesty bears light. It's revealing. When people are used to playing games and hiding, they're thrown off by our behavior...threatened. It instantly reveals who they are. That may appear judgmental, maybe it is. But I know for a fact that my assessment of people and situations is accurate almost every time. I may miss details here and there, but the overall picture is accurate. The things is, because we are generous, we accept people for who they are. That doesn't mean well let you continually disrespect us. Another consequence is the practicality of this approach. Its draining and at times we withdraw in order to recharge ourselves and reassess the situation. Acceptance for us means that we may not be able to be with you long term. Those of us that are evolved don't want to control you because we won't be controlled. If you think about it, its truly fair. Unlike others that say they are fair but actually aren't lol.

Questions?
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Wow beautiful soul I've never been with one of "my kind" but what you said about people who are so used to playing and getting played just pretty much answered something I had been chewing on for a while cause I got caught up in a dudes game without knowing. It "felt " like he had good intentions but I found myself having to prove My honesty constantly and so I chose to move on cause I knew I would not be able to ever trust him so I let go but yet I hold no ill will towards the dude. He wasnt a Sagittarius.
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Wow beautiful soul I've never been with one of "my kind" but what you said about people who are so used to playing and getting played just pretty much answered something I had been chewing on for a while cause I got caught up in a dudes game without knowing. It "felt " like he had good intentions but I found myself having to prove My honesty constantly and so I chose to move on cause I knew I would not be able to ever trust him so I let go but yet I hold no ill will towards the dude. He wasnt a Sagittarius.



Its ok and it happens to all of us. We have a built in bull shit detector...one of the the great things we pick up from once being Scorps
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Being disengenuous will get you friend zoned or put in "not to commit to" status in a hurry. Yeah, we'll be your friend. Chill with you, go out, talk on the phone etc. Some of us will even sleep and date you...but it'll be friends with benefits. This is because we like you and are waiting for you or things to change to give us the green light to commit. Sadly, some of us don't commit even when you do change because of who you were has convinced us that's the true you and will come back. Some of us simply don't believe in commitment at all but want the comfort of a relationship...but that's bigger than a sag male. It never ceases to amaze me the little stuff women try to pull. They want your heart all the while not demonstrating that they can take care of it. Our logic is simple and most of the time just and fair. If you'll be dishonest and untruthful about the little things...how can I trust you when it matters most? If I can't trust you with a dollar, I'm not going to trust you with 10. We wont say anything to you because we're aware that most people know exactly what they're doing and the truth brings light and theyll do anything to protect the image of themselves they've created. So, we keep it moving.
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@Eyes84:

He may not want to talk but that doesn't mean he's holding a grudge. We get over things quickly. Here's the implications of that. We may not talk to you or want to be friends but we can still like and respect what you have to say...your thoughts. This aspect about us throws alot of people off. I have several of my exes on my FB page and although we don't speak, I still like their posts and them mine.

He still cares about you and may be willing to resume things but based upon what you told us he said in your thread, he feels you slighted him so you'll have to be the one to approach. He won't come chasing after you. But, him liking your posts is a way to meet you halfway...he's opening the door on purpose. You have to walk through it.



Ok... The silence is killing me and he is still stalking my fb so I sent him a message... A very sincere one I hope to hear from him my pride will hurt if he Doesn't respond lol
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Hi I already posted on another thread and received some good perspective from a female I would just like a male perspective and sag view. In brief a guy from high school has been trying to find me for years. Finally caught up with me on line, unfortunately thousands of miles away, started platonic turned to flirting, I had an issue with him being married, he tells me him and his wife have never been in love for 20 years, they have had an open relationship and she is more like his sister! It became sexual however he admitted to both me and his wife he is smitten with me. I respect his honesty, however since then the sexual side has considerably reduced, I am ok with this as there is an emotional connection there. I have never had any expectations, I don't tend to make the first move in texting, I have tried to say to him about ending as he is married, tied into his business with wife, however he keeps on texting and just said its hard to keep the spark going when we havent reached first base yet.
My question is does he want to let me go if he did why does he keep texting me and checking out what I'm up to. I have alot of feelings for him as I suppose its from school too. I have said i am okay to only stay friends as he is married. He knows I don't want him to leave his wife so I have never put any thing like that on him and wouldn't . Sorry this is really long winded!
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@Boots: this goes beyond Sag behavior and is a sign if what men and women have...devolved to.

I really don't have to discuss the particulars as you are already aware of the truth...you need to leave him alone. The emotional connection you feel is him selling you on the idea of being his savior. Turning your instincts...your strengths into weaknesses in order to fill himself and use you. You already see the obvious. If it was that bad he would've left already. But they make it seem like hell so you'll let your guard down. Marriage or no, they are attached. It's part love/history and part comfort...that's their connection. He may whine and bitch but he ain't leaving her and there ain't nothing like a little side action masked as a love connection to medicate thing. There is a deeper reason but in these situations some are aware of what they're doing and some aren't aware and the latter is most dangerous because they don't know or think they're doing wrong. Even if you got with him and he left his wife, he may not stay with because he's not going to value or respect someone who got with him while married and violating the very thing they say they want...a relationship. Simply, leave him alone and move forward.
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