What's the deal Sag men?

Okay, here is random for you on a beautiful Wednesday!

I am seeing a Sag guy, I am a Gemini and all is cool! Except for one little, bitty thing...lol I really thought I could roll with it but it is bugging me and maybe I just need to understand it better, so can you Sags (either gender) offer me some insight please?

The responsiveness to phone calls!! Arrrgh! What gives? He calls me back but takes awhile! Now if he did it all the time, then I would take it as a sign but it's so random. Sometimes he is immediate, sometimes it's like days and always he has a great excuse cause it's usually a crisis and I don't think he lies.

BUT, I keep attaching priority to responsiveness and am getting tied up. I am a Gem, like I stated and we respond instantly to everything. I feel like if you take the time to call or whatever, I'm gonna take the time to get back to you because you are important to me and I put priority on you. My Sag says for me not to take that approach with him as he has always been like that, brutal and everyone in his life accepts that about him. He says that I should attach no significance to delays because his delays do NOT mean he is not into me. He is busy with work and is single-minded to a fault...I'm like, er what? I dunno why I can't just accept that but maybe I'm hard headed and need someone to break it down for me.

I don't want to ask him again because then it just seems insecure and it's not really, I JUST don't get it.

Help a sistah out?! Thanks in advance and have a fantastic day!

im terrible with calling people back, texting people back.

Thanks for the reply! But, does that mean anything in how you feel about them? Or it's just you being you...

Posted by Lizuz
Thanks for the reply! But, does that mean anything in how you feel about them? Or it's just you being you...

nope. has nothing to do with how i feel about them. im just absent-minded.

lol, I wish there was a like button for your post! Okay, so I need to roll, hmm....might be a stretch for me.

hmmm, maybe just think of it in terms of what you expect from a partner in the long run. Is it going to be OK with you to be with someone who is "that" busy? He may just be a career over relationship kind of person. He might give you a really nice house to live in someday, but you'll be spending the evenings there alone. If that is what you want, then don't worry about it.

yeah its tough at times, im sure. even for my friends theyre like, wtf. im just not a phone person..doesnt interest me. actually bores me. also having someone tell me to call, yadda yadda yadda is almost like commitment. i would rather call you when i miss you rather than because im obligated to call.

Thanks you guys, really appreciate it! @jr2, I am just having fun really, not looking too long term and trying to live in the moment.

Another question, should I just not take it on and call when I feel like it? Or would you feel that I was infringing on your freedom? I don't want to over communicate but if it's just an absent minded thing, I really don't mind calling first. I love to talk and don't see it as a power struggle. It sounds like Sags don't either so should I just call whenever I want or would that be too much and I should just rock back and wait on him?

Sorry, you know us Gems, over-process, over-process, over-process...LOL If there was one thing about myself I would change it would be that. Valium anyone?! LOL

Posted by Lizuz
Thanks you guys, really appreciate it! @jr2, I am just having fun really, not looking too long term and trying to live in the moment.

Another question, should I just not take it on and call when I feel like it? Or would you feel that I was infringing on your freedom? I don't want to over communicate but if it's just an absent minded thing, I really don't mind calling first. I love to talk and don't see it as a power struggle. It sounds like Sags don't either so should I just call whenever I want or would that be too much and I should just rock back and wait on him?

Sorry, you know us Gems, over-process, over-process, over-process...LOL If there was one thing about myself I would change it would be that. Valium anyone?! LOL

he is going to call when he thinks/misses you. you should do the same; regardless of who does it more..you know? 🙂

Okay, appreciate the insight and suggestions!

I really don't care if I call first so will call him later, really cause I'm busy too and tonight is the only night I have free this week...damn hormones, LOL

I just don't wanna crowd him because I know you are all about freedom but I really don't think I am calling too much. Last week he called me Monday and Tuesday, I called back Tuesday and then called again on Wednesday early cause I had to travel and would be away for the rest of the week. So I called yesterday and he said he would call me back in a little bit, no calls yet.

I think I will call again despite not hearing back so we will see.

you could always text ... I so horny ... if that doesn't get a response, something is wrong

Gawd, I gave up on texting a long time ago. Don't send them at all anymore, this man is technologically impaired, no smart phone, no FB, no nothing! I thought for 2 secs to send a 'Wanna f***' text but the thought of no response was not inspiring. LOL

I will call later. Don't get me wrong, he is real kewl, just so so scattered...lawd!

Posted by Lizuz
Gawd, I gave up on texting a long time ago. Don't send them at all anymore, this man is technologically impaired, no smart phone, no FB, no nothing! I thought for 2 secs to send a 'Wanna f***' text but the thought of no response was not inspiring. LOL

I will call later. Don't get me wrong, he is real kewl, just so so scattered...lawd!

i dont have a smartphone either. not really into technology.

I KNEW it was a Sag thing...lol

Honestly, what's tugging at you is your ego. Not to be mean, but really. With life being the way it is, it's impossible to always respond or make a person a priority. It's not just Sag men. Everybody does it. From Libras, to Caps, and Geminis. If he's busy, he's busy. It doesn't mean that his feelings for you have changed it he's thinking if you less. He has others things that have his attention at that point and he's focused. I'd rather have the time to have a meaningful conversation than just respond to everything someone says and something gets lost in translation. Quality not quantity.

Posted by beautifulsoul74
Honestly, what's tugging at you is your ego. Not to be mean, but really. With life being the way it is, it's impossible to always respond or make a person a priority. It's not just Sag men. Everybody does it. From Libras, to Caps, and Geminis. If he's busy, he's busy. It doesn't mean that his feelings for you have changed it he's thinking if you less. He has others things that have his attention at that point and he's focused. I'd rather have the time to have a meaningful conversation than just respond to everything someone says and something gets lost in translation. Quality not quantity.

saggis are shitty when it comes to the phone.

Posted by DMV

Posted by beautifulsoul74
Honestly, what's tugging at you is your ego. Not to be mean, but really. With life being the way it is, it's impossible to always respond or make a person a priority. It's not just Sag men. Everybody does it. From Libras, to Caps, and Geminis. If he's busy, he's busy. It doesn't mean that his feelings for you have changed it he's thinking if you less. He has others things that have his attention at that point and he's focused. I'd rather have the time to have a meaningful conversation than just respond to everything someone says and something gets lost in translation. Quality not quantity.

saggis are shitty when it comes to the phone.

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Follow the pattern DMV. In the beginning, you sacrifice time from other things to get to know someone, them after a while it slows and people freak out because they expect "consistency" and that the same amount if attention is going to be paid all the time. People take that for granted and when that person talks less because they have to handle their business, the other person puts themselves first instead of understanding what's happening. You get use to having your ego fed with all the attention and when it slows or is "erratic," people go nuts. Why? I'm not saying that people should skirt being courteous, just don't always expect things to remain constant.

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Posted by beautifulsoul74
Honestly, what's tugging at you is your ego. Not to be mean, but really. With life being the way it is, it's impossible to always respond or make a person a priority. It's not just Sag men. Everybody does it. From Libras, to Caps, and Geminis. If he's busy, he's busy. It doesn't mean that his feelings for you have changed it he's thinking if you less. He has others things that have his attention at that point and he's focused. I'd rather have the time to have a meaningful conversation than just respond to everything someone says and something gets lost in translation. Quality not quantity.

Well said beautifulsoul74 . . . +1

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Thanks LadyBliss!

Sorry for the typos. Need to turn auto correct off lol.

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Posted by beautifulsoul74
Honestly, what's tugging at you is your ego. Not to be mean, but really. With life being the way it is, it's impossible to always respond or make a person a priority. It's not just Sag men. Everybody does it. From Libras, to Caps, and Geminis. If he's busy, he's busy. It doesn't mean that his feelings for you have changed it he's thinking if you less. He has others things that have his attention at that point and he's focused. I'd rather have the time to have a meaningful conversation than just respond to everything someone says and something gets lost in translation. Quality not quantity.

saggis are shitty when it comes to the phone.

Follow the pattern DMV. In the beginning, you sacrifice time from other things to get to know someone, them after a while it slows and people freak out because they expect "consistency" and that the same amount if attention is going to be paid all the time. People take that for granted and when that person talks less because they have to handle their business, the other person puts themselves first instead of understanding what's happening. You get use to having your ego fed with all the attention and when it slows or is "erratic," people go nuts. Why? I'm not saying that people should skirt being courteous, just don't always expect things to remain constant.

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spoken like a true sag...we're also hella inconsistent, flakey

i dont think its totally on the other person's ego. how you got me, is how you keep me is my motto when it comes to relationships.

if you scarified time in the beginning...keep it up. i think its completely rational for her to expect a return phone call, its just that us saggis are so used to our own egos that we dont always feel compelled to go the extra mile at times..thinking that the other person should just understand. isnt that selfish 2?

saggis arent known for being very respective about other people's time. its always "our" clock that matters.

Thanks DMV, you took the words right outta my mouth. It's a consistency thing and if it changed, which it has, then expect a lil freak out...lol Appreciate the support!

Don't think I don't take your message to heart beautifulsoul74! I totally agree that it is ego, to a certain extent, but I am not a stone and can't deny my feelings. I like what you said and will take it into account for sure, because growth for myself is important too! But Sags are a little selfish, no? C'mon admit it, just a tad right?

Posted by Lizuz
Thanks DMV, you took the words right outta my mouth. It's a consistency thing and if it changed, which it has, then expect a lil freak out...lol Appreciate the support!

Don't think I don't take your message to heart beautifulsoul74! I totally agree that it is ego, to a certain extent, but I am not a stone and can't deny my feelings. I like what you said and will take it into account for sure, because growth for myself is important too! But Sags are a little selfish, no? C'mon admit it, just a tad right?

my friends put me into perspective. they know that i hate calling or talking on the phone, but if the friendship is important to me and theyve gone out of their way to make concessions for me, i think i can put my own "this is the way that i am" thinking aside and make the effort to initiate the phone calls. i took their feelings into account and i dont want them to feel like i dont care, even when i know full damn well that i do.

its been a challenge; believe me.

Posted by DMV
i dont think its totally on the other person's ego. how you got me, is how you keep me is my motto when it comes to relationships.

if you scarified time in the beginning...keep it up. i think its completely rational for her to expect a return phone call, its just that us saggis are so used to our own egos that we dont always feel compelled to go the extra mile at times..thinking that the other person should just understand. isnt that selfish 2?

saggis arent known for being very respective about other people's time. its always "our" clock that matters.

I love ya DMV, but I gotta say you and her proved my point. Here's how. The OP stated in her original post that her Sag laid it out for her in the beginning about how he responds to phone calls. He busy with work etc. Now, she disguised her being bothered by it by trying to appear fair with saying she responds quickly to every one. He already told her how he is with everybody and she simply is trying to get him to give more than what he is willing. By dating him, she accepted that. So now she's complaining about it? Again ego. Instead of compromising she's made it about her, no matter how she disguises the situation with how she responds to phone calls. She feels that because she handles communication a certain way that he should do it her way. It has nothing to do with his ego or communication, it's him showing responsibility to everything involved in his life a d that means she's not going to get all of his attention.Again, not trying to be mean, but its the truth. It's how he got her as you put it.

Behavior varies in relationships and NOBODY is consistent all the time. I bet if I talked to him, he'd point somethings out about her. Look at the big picture. In order to expect consistency in everything you need to be giving it in everything. But nobody is perfect. Knowing that, people still complain about stuff knowing they've been inconsistent in some way. In this case, he laid it out for her. Ego.

and you proved my point, that saggis can make it all about US and we will give 1000 excuses about why we cant and wont do something, because its out world and other people just live in it. we live on high horses. as mutable as we are, we wont budge on somethings.

all im saying is, if you like someone and you appreciate them in your life, you can pick up the phone a few more times. if its important to her, it should be important to him.

he probably keeps brushing her off with excuses because no one demanded more out of him. same goes for me and most other saggis, we will walk all over you and do our thang until you demand better. gotta train a horse.

if your beloved had a complaint about something you do 5 years into the relationship, what would you tell her? would you tell her too bad girl, i did this in the beginning, so accept it? would you tell her that its her ego and to check it? even if it were her ego and talking on the phone helps her feel more secure and loved, would you tell her too bad too sad?

also, you dont have to say "i love ya DMV, but". if you disagree, you disagree. no need to patronize me.

lastly, this venus in cap is extremely consistent in relationships. you can set your watch to this old foggy.

i mean were debating about phone calls for goodness sake. lol

even with lateness, the old sag i used to bang would stay being late for work, he was 37. couldnt tell him shit. he wanted to do what he wanted to do. he got the heave ho and flipped a shit. even though his work was tip top, it didnt matter.

my own sag sister couldnt give a hoot about bills, getting to work on time. it was her world and her job should be excited that she showed up..40 mins late every day. till she got the heave ho. then it was woe is me, like us saggis tend to get like. till someone put it into perspective for her. she's almost 40.

with me, i wore flip flops to work for 4 years and i got written up for it during my 4th year. i hollered and screamed about the injustice!!! 4 years and you have a problem with it?? hell to the no. after reflection, im the one with the issue and disdain for authoriti.

sometimes you have to reign us in to get us to act appropriately. feels like shackles.

You know, it's funny, you write a post and the interpretations go off the rails...

I disguised nothing beautifulsoul, we have been dating a few months, his responsiveness with calls has dropped off. I know I have a thing about it and was simply seeking some info from an astrological perspective. You do not need to 'read' my motives because you have erred. As a Gemini, responsiveness is second nature and implies priority. I simply wondered if it was the same for Sags.

DMV answered and I appreciated her answers because it provided some insight. You provided some insight as well but I think you are reading WAY too much into my post. I will keep the pearls from your responses and discard the rest because at the end of the day, I agree with DMV, it's just phonecalls for crissakes...

In any case, I called and we spoke. He is very busy and I appreciated that but he is the same as he was before, happy to hear from me. Thanks to those that said 'don't study who called last, just call if you want to' because that was good advice!

And DMV, you are right about something else, courtesy is courtesy. If I decide I can't deal with it, I will let it go. I am not in love and we can just continue to be friends.

He has said he has lost relationships because of his slackness in the past and is selfish in the extreme. I thought we could work because I am not looking for a committed relationship from him, I like the casualness. However I also know myself and if this non-responsive thing continues, I don't think I want to continue the affair, despite the fact that he is a really original and exciting person.

Thanks again for the advice and insight!

At Lizuz, if its just "phone calls," why even create a thread about? Plus you just stated that you're not even in love with him. Maybe his drop in responsiveness is because you're no longer interested in him but still want him around for attention. Who knows. Although Sag men need space, when we're interested AND someone is genuinely interested in us, we make them a top priority and respond in a reasonable amount of time. Responsiveness implies when person responds and not the number of times a person calls, as DMV suggested.

As far as me reading too much into it, I went by what you said in the original post. Outside of what you just said, which you conveniently left out btw, he said it would be this way. That has nothing to do with ego. He was honest and fair in the beginning, going by what you originally said. If you'd said what he told you about his lost relationships, I'd been inclined to agree with you. But you left to part out. And you also admit, that part of it is your ego, which most people tend to understate in these matters.

But, to each his/her own. Good luck!

hmmm, also for the busy types. what could you do to gift him some time? Maybe you totally don't want to go there, but do you ever do anything that saves him time? a partner that shows help with our struggles gets a lot of points.

Posted by jru2
hmmm, also for the busy types. what could you do to gift him some time? Maybe you totally don't want to go there, but do you ever do anything that saves him time? a partner that shows help with our struggles gets a lot of points.

Exactly...cooperation/compromise

Posted by beautifulsoul74
At Lizuz, if its just "phone calls," why even create a thread about? Plus you just stated that you're not even in love with him. Maybe his drop in responsiveness is because you're no longer interested in him but still want him around for attention. Who knows. Although Sag men need space, when we're interested AND someone is genuinely interested in us, we make them a top priority and respond in a reasonable amount of time. Responsiveness implies when person responds and not the number of times a person calls, as DMV suggested.

As far as me reading too much into it, I went by what you said in the original post. Outside of what you just said, which you conveniently left out btw, he said it would be this way. That has nothing to do with ego. He was honest and fair in the beginning, going by what you originally said. If you'd said what he told you about his lost relationships, I'd been inclined to agree with you. But you left to part out. And you also admit, that part of it is your ego, which most people tend to understate in these matters.

But, to each his/her own. Good luck!

she made the blog because she had a question. to her communication is important, to saggis its a minor detail. its a issue we see posted all the time on the sag board -phone calls- and how we saggis just plain suck at it.

its not attention seeking at all. home girl just wants her phone calls returned. why is she out of place for asking him to do that?

i think your reading far too much into it. i dont think the OP is being dishonest or leaving stuff out. saggis just suck monkey balls when it comes to telephones.

even if it is attention seeking, it makes her feel good and satisfies her emotionally. wouldnt you want your partner to do the things that made you feel good and satisfied you emotionally?

maybe its only the sag men that this is a minute and ridiculous detail.

DMV, there is a difference between not calling and simply not calling back fast enough. She didn't say that he doesn't call, she said he doesn't immediately respond like she does. It's on you if you choose to ignore that piece of information. Also, if he was being selfish like she said, the topic would've been "why are sag men selfish" or something to that effect and she would've told us what he said in the original post. The fact is, she started out by saying he told her about how he communicates in the beginning, then she switches it to "he always responded" then slowed. Switching the story to fit her arguement/complaint. I'm simply looking at it from an objective viewpoint and not putting any emotion into it. People come on here all the time saying stuff only to to change their story when it comes under scrutiny.

After after a length of time of them dating, he's showing less interest and she doesn't love him. There you have it. She wanting accountability from someone that she doesn't have much interest in being with anyway. How does that work? She wants him to be more "courteous" in responding but yet she doesn't love him and thus that is probably expressed by some level of disinterest. This happens between a lot if people and is not relegated to one sign in particular. She wants what she had in the beginning, which is a bonus according to what she said and she really not entitled to. Thus we're back to ego.

I had a question and it has been answered, thanks DMV. I don't have to tell you everything about my relationship beautiful soul, cause I wanted your opinion on one thing...sags and the phone. You chose to assume and that's where I think you missed the boat. I can't love him as its only been 4 months and I like the way things are, just had an issue. Sure, I can he said, she said, he did and she did all around this board but I wanted an astrological perspective.

What you can't know is that we were friends in high school and recently reconnected. While doing that, yes he said those things about himself and much much more. Over time. Lots of talking and his responsiveness was on point. There is no switching the story but as you responded assuming so much, I added detail.

Look, not every poster is going to be objective because we all bring our baggage. I like to learn and grow and you provided some awareness of self that I may not have considered, re: ego. Fair enough. Thanks for the pearl and I'm moving on.

Anyone else have anything to add about responsiveness, my original question? If not, I'll take DMV and jr2's suggestions and rock on.... thanks jr2! The gift of time is a lovely concept and it applies in so many areas beyond this! Good advice!

The funny thing is everybody, including me, is assuming that what you said is true. He's not here to rebutt/refute what you said. I'm not calling you a liar, I simply gave my opinions based upon what you said, mainly in the original post. DMV, argued with me based upon the fact that he doesn't call and that's incorrect. The problem is when he returns calls and like I said before that's totally different.

You don't have to give me or others the whole story or the baggage. But if its advice you seek, don't you think that his response to your request is a very important piece of information we need in order to give you the best advice and should've been given at the beginning. Look at what you said. You started off by saying he told you this stuff about how he communicates and how you communicate, then midstream tell us that he responded the way you want but it's dropped off. You don't see how that's a little misleading?

The really funny thing is your following the advice of Saggies assuming this of other Saggies. A flaw built upon a flaw. At the end of the day, no assumptions can be made because you two are individuals with specific thoughts and feelings. I made no assumptions. Just made my points off of what was said and not my personal feeling.

Either way, I hope it works out for you two. I sincerely do.

Thanks for the good wishes beautifulsoul! I believe you.

I like astrology and sometimes try to look at situations from that angle for a change of pace. I thought I gave the pertinent details for my situation in relation to my question but like all forms of electronic communication, miscommunication is always a danger.

I don't think I needed to give any other details as my question was in essence, whether Sags attach priority to responsiveness in return calls? I got my answer, no, they are absent-minded or busy or just not that into the phone and to just call when I feel like it because the lack of responsiveness is not correlated to anything in particular for a Sag. Beautiful. Whether in my situation, he calls late, doesn't call, calls all the time, the answer is the same, that is, don't attach anything to the calling pattern.

We all know we are individuals on this board, give us some credit, 🙂 we are just people trying to look at different situations from a new angle so I don't see it as a flaw, on top of a flaw. I see it as a quest for knowledge, a little bit of fun and the seeker can only benefit, as I have.

Namaste everyone!

Posted by beautifulsoul74
DMV, there is a difference between not calling and simply not calling back fast enough. She didn't say that he doesn't call, she said he doesn't immediately respond like she does. It's on you if you choose to ignore that piece of information. Also, if he was being selfish like she said, the topic would've been "why are sag men selfish" or something to that effect and she would've told us what he said in the original post. The fact is, she started out by saying he told her about how he communicates in the beginning, then she switches it to "he always responded" then slowed. Switching the story to fit her arguement/complaint. I'm simply looking at it from an objective viewpoint and not putting any emotion into it. People come on here all the time saying stuff only to to change their story when it comes under scrutiny.

After after a length of time of them dating, he's showing less interest and she doesn't love him. There you have it. She wanting accountability from someone that she doesn't have much interest in being with anyway. How does that work? She wants him to be more "courteous" in responding but yet she doesn't love him and thus that is probably expressed by some level of disinterest. This happens between a lot if people and is not relegated to one sign in particular. She wants what she had in the beginning, which is a bonus according to what she said and she really not entitled to. Thus we're back to ego.

are u projecting?? how did we go from talking about phone calls to who loves who?

Girrrllll... good question.

Do you even know what projecting means? She said she didn't love him, so why even talk about how he responds to her calls etc. you must be bored DMV. Either way I'm done.

Posted by beautifulsoul74
Do you even know what projecting means? She said she didn't love him, so why even talk about how he responds to her calls etc. you must be bored DMV. Either way I'm done.

not bored at all. just bewildered on how you read so far into this, because usually you dont go this far left field.

Hola!

I hate when people don't give updates to their situation so for those that care, here's an update of things a month later.

I took the good advice I learnt here and did not bother too much with his calling pattern. We talked about it and he repeated the same thing that you all told me, it means nothing. Since then it's been good! I also took jr2's advice and gave the gift of time and decided for his birthday to take him out and just let it be all about him. He is so courteous, sweet, gentle and we really had a great time! I asked nothing of him but just tried to be a little more caring in my way of relating to him that evening. I think Gems can be a little detached and cold so I tried to, just in actions say, this is all about you and I am happy you are in my life. He is such a nice man, even though a little scattered and more than a little stressed so last night meant a lot for him and I was happy to do it.

So thanks again for all the advice and next time I have a freak out over little piddly shit, I definitely will come right to the Sag board, lol.

Have a fantastic day! Blessings!

cool ... I still want to meet a Gem ... even though a Virgo I met said her Gem friend is crazy bitch.

Glad you had nice time with your sag.

Thanks jru2!

You know, I have been thinking about this. Gems aren't crazy. I am a May 24th Gem and very close to Taurus so maybe that makes me a little more grounded. But I believe for the most part, we are very direct people. We tell you what we are all about up front. There is really no mystery but that does not mean that there is no depth. We think and over-process things too much for sure and I think that is our main problem. Our thoughts drive us to distraction so I try to work on my balance. We are also a somewhat cool sign, we have the passion but it takes a while for us to let go from our minds and REALLY feel things because the thinking can get in the way.

I say go ahead and meet that Gem. Sags and Gems seem to hit it off because we both take things light, at least that has been my experience. My Sag can get all doom and gloomy so I try to keep him on a positive, optimistic note and I have realized that if I don't go there with him, he does not go there and can just feel pleasure in the moment. I think that is what he likes about me. Gems are not as philisophically inclined as Sags but we can go there for small visits and intellectually, our speed of thought seems very much the same.

Life is about living and experiencing! Once you find someone, whatever their astrological sign, I say give it a go! So I hope you meet that Gem as I like your attitude and you seem to be on your game, from the advice you have given me at any rate. 🙂 Like attracts like so go brave! Blessings!

thank's for the pep talk Lizuz 🙂

good for you Liz!

Here's another update for those who had the same type of questions that I did re: Sags and calling.

My Sag and I are still hanging out and happy two months later. Here is the lesson though, if something your Sag does bugs you, you need to call them on it and if they want to, they can and will change. I told my Sag that his delayed responsiveness and the fact that his phone call rate decreased was giving me horrors. I told him that it is important to me and if he wants to BE with me, he has to consider my feelings and make some effort. He said he will change and he did! He calls me regularly and when I call him, most times he responds on the same day! He said for 2013 he is trying to change and I see it!

So my advice is this, with Sags but really with everyone in your life. if you can't stand something that someone does, let them know and if they want to change they will, but if they don't, then be prepared to walk. Not in a threatening way but in a way that protects your peace of mind and your boundaries. Too many times we put up with stuff HOPING they will change and all that does is delay the end and increase the fuckery level...so not worth it.

Mama wasn't lying when she said there were BEAUCOUP fish in da sea! 🙂