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As far as my experience goes, Capricorn females do normally become more expressive as the relationship evolves and they feel more comfortable and trust their partner more, so Im not sure your argumet is strong enough Inana. In many cases Capricorn women become even clingy, resembling their opposite Cancer females.



I agree that we can become clingy, but as you said, it usually comes with time. How much time is up in the air, so my point is since we are more often then not called "cold" how can people assume someone being cold to us means they don't care, when can be the same, initially, at times to others?

I can see how his actions indicate that he's not into her, but you can never know if he's mimicking what he feels her behavior is towards him.

Thank you for being decent to me. Yes, I'm very wary about showing my feelings, so far I've only got as far as telling him I miss him, but inside I want to tell him more. I'm scared to say anything because he's expressed how he's been hurt in the past, and because he has this cool distance to him. What confuses me is he always makes excuses to call, its not like he can call and just launch into a conversation about his day, he calls about something business like and trivial and then goes into conversation, or calls to say hello and hangs up like he's really shy. The thing is, is the more he does this the more distant I become because I don't want my feelings hurt.
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Your welcome. :-)

Wow, it sounds almost like he's scared of you lol. Not to take that in the wrong way, but he doesn't seem to feel that he know where he stands after this time. I mean, if all you can do is say "I miss you" since April then you can only wonder what he's thinking. I'm sure that he's use to women being more expressive with their feelings, but that's our(Caps) dilemma in dealing with men, especially water sign men. We can be just as afraid of getting hurt as they are, and that can make for a not-so-good combination. It's only fair, I'm assuming, but you have to give what you want to get. I know that's easier said then done because personally, I would expect him to give it, but just start small, I guess. How did the two of
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GoatLady,

Your scorp man cares for you. NO Scorp ever will waste their time sending you messages (especially so many messages) if they don't have special feelings for you. He makes the effort keeping in touch with you. You must be in his mind all the time. Each message shows his thinking of you. His mushiness are his messages.

Why he sounds *business-like* when on the phone (I am like that too - it is a facade) is due to the geographic distance you both have. First, we are not telephone people. Secondly, we are not long-distance people. We are practical thinkers. He is holding his feelings back from you, because of the distance AND as ELLESQUE wrote in her first posts, it could be that he is hiding something from you. He damn knows already you have him in your hands. He doesn't want to be like a silly boy, but he also can't help himself from being like one. His messages are loud and clear actually. My guess would be (this is only speculation!) that he has someone in his life he is not fond of. Therefore, he has not announced you his love yet. He must be in some kind of inner conflict. Again, this is only speculation. Only you know of his details. Have you ever visited his house?

If you want to find out more about him, you have to be open and accepting of his condition. Be ready for any kind of answer that may initially hurt you. Be VEEEEERY careful how you initiate a conversation. Give him the freedom, patience and time to open up to you. Also ask yourself if you would stay with him if he were, for example, married.




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Hi elle 🙂

I have tons of Virgo experience. The one who doesn't respond to you on the dating site is probably interested in someone else. Most V's I met, they refuse the idea of believing in astrology or even God, but they seem to know quite a bit about astro and religion. Go figure...

Unfortunately, guys think we are interested in their penis size, when if fact, we interested in the size of their brains. Then... the penis 😛
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GoatLady,

Your scorp man cares for you. NO Scorp ever will waste their time sending you messages (especially so many messages) if they don't have special feelings for you. He makes the effort keeping in touch with you. You must be in his mind all the time. Each message shows his thinking of you. His mushiness are his messages.

Why he sounds *business-like* when on the phone (I am like that too - it is a facade) is due to the geographic distance you both have. First, we are not telephone people. Secondly, we are not long-distance people. We are practical thinkers. He is holding his feelings back from you, because of the distance AND as ELLESQUE wrote in her first posts, it could be that he is hiding something from you. He damn knows already you have him in your hands. He doesn't want to be like a silly boy, but he also can't help himself from being like one. His messages are loud and clear actually. My guess would be (this is only speculation!) that he has someone in his life he is not fond of. Therefore, he has not announced you his love yet. He must be in some kind of inner conflict. Again, this is only speculation. Only you know of his details. Have you ever visited his house?

If you want to find out more about him, you have to be open and accepting of his condition. Be ready for any kind of answer that may initially hurt you. Be VEEEEERY careful how you initiate a conversation. Give him the freedom, patience and time to open up to you. Also ask yourself if you would stay with him if he were, for example, married.






Yeah, I think he cares for her too, but its so interesting to hear some say he cares while others say he doesn't. I'm sure there's nothing but confusion going on in her head.
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I'm head over heels for my Scorpio man and always tell him I miss him and stuff when we talk on the phone, but he has never once been affectionate in words with me, or to my face.








so people come in to tell you that this man cares about you, and you love to hear it ... you make sure to absorb all of it because to hear that makes you feel so wanted and special, and yet .....

... look at the reality of it.

... he has never once been affectionate in words with you, or to your face.


Why would you people lie to her like that? Or maybe all of you are living in a fantasy world, just like her and that Capricorn from the Pisces board.

The truth is in the quote ... why can't you people process the truth?

They lie to you, Goatlady ... if a man, any man no matter what his sun sign is, doesn't care to give to his woman what she really needs, which is loving affection .. then she isn't important enough to him to care about her emotional well-being, and I've no clue whatsoever why these people would lie to you and tell you he cares about you.
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P angel, all she's told him since april is that she miss him. She's not the most expressive with words either, so he's probably a bit confused, I'm assuming. That's why I'm interested to hear how they met. Capricorn women are more reserved emotionally more than a lot of other women, so that in itself makes this situation a bit more different. I trully believe that another woman would've told him more than I miss you by now, regardless of what he wasn't saying or atleast give him openings to expressive himself more. He's following her lead not knowing she's following his.

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I get now why all the women come in here confused as shit ... it's because if guy treats them like shit .. they think they are suppose to work harder to get the guy.



Poor world ... glad as fuck women my age know the difference, so we can have full relationships that is built on respect and equality.



You have this (this meaning all these 100's of threads on dxp all describing the same thing - guy fucks girl and walks away, while girl scampers, looking for ways to get him to come back to her so he can fuck her again) .. and she adores him for treating her like dog shit, and the only thing she can think of is how much more of him she wants.


Yeah ... dxp is full of this, and the reason why it's full of it is because foolish women like you are here making it so.


None of you can see the reality ... you all are reacting to her reactions .. rather than actually analyzing the cause to get a true understanding of what is going on ...


..... and the sad part is that you think that is normal.
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P angel, you are a woman that has clearly been through this all before so please cut the superior attitude. Its one thing to have a point, but its another to be condescending, when if anything, you should be more understanding. She, like every other person, and every other woman has her lessons to learn. If you were so knowlegeable about relationships we would all be here learning something from you, since you have an age advantage, instead of going back and forth with you. You don't have much of a point if you can't even get it across.
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@ Elle, girl, I feel you on your posts. EVERYTHING you posted regarding the scorpio man I agree with. I felt the cappie lady was actually the one who was playing the game, and posting here to see how her game was working. So, no, I don't think you are crazy... just didn't think it could be the scorp guy posting.

I also agree with the "look in the mirror" analogy. Quite right, from my experience.

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@Elle, I thought about her having some placement in Pisces as well, but it sounded like this was a negative thing the way you express it... how do you mean your statement?

Now when she posted about hers and his venus, I thought that was rather strange that she would act naive about it. Sounds like she's done some reading on this particular statement and not as naive as her question appears. Just my speculation....
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I cannot justify this treatment of her because of being an LDR ... that doesn't make it right.

And I cannot justify her choosing to accept this treatment of her so long as she finds a reason for it ... and that is what is happening .. it is what is always happening in here.


Woman comes here and seeks an answer to hold onto as to why she can accept/tolerate that she's being treated like a dog ..... and never really looks at the fact that she's worth more.


And it irritates the living fuck out of me that people come in here and tell her lies, like he really cares about you ... just to make her feel better about hurting.


GODDAMN YOU ... that doens't help her, it makes it worse because then she will tolerate the abuse further, for longer.
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My gemini friend told me once that her cap boyfriend was emotionally and verbally abusive because he loved her, and he was 'scared' of his strong feelings so he treated her this way to counter those emotions.

I just stared at her with a blank face.








It seems that most women are like this. We hear similar stories, at various degrees in here daily, and that's just in here ....... you can imagine the magnitude of it in the RW.

I'm not sure what it takes to get women to wake the fuck up .... but, I'm certain it's not the method most of you use, which is to coddle her.

Shake her by the shoulders ... wake the fuck up.
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P, I'm not telling her he's in love with her or that if he's even that into her. we only know the story she tells. we also know that if she learns nothing about herself, it is likely she'll repeat the same mess with the next.

she needs to reflect. suck it up, dust herself off and figure out why she continues this pattern of self hate.






I wasn't referring to you .. I was talking about the women who were making excuses.
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That's not true .... people don't get scard away .. look at how people respond to me .. you think they are afraid?


When you take a test and you get the answers wrong, how do you know you got them wrong? Do you know because the teacher smiles at you and tells you you did a great job?

How do you learn?

You fucking learn by being told.

You'd be surprised at the amount of people who hate me, curse me, laugh at me, try to make a fool out me ...... but, HEAR ME .. and later come back and say I was right, and thank me for talking to them straight up.
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@ tooseriouslol, my statement about her was not for caps in general. I hope I didn't come off like that.

Yes, I like cappy women, at least the ones I've met on dxp. The cappys I know in real life, vary, though. I guess it's easier for you guys to express yourselves through writing on forums than in real life, because in the RW, I don't see you all being that open unless you really know the person. From these boards, I've come to realize cappys are sensitive and sentimental (despite their expressionless faces or seemingly don't care attitude) and are very often misunderstood.
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my comment was for the beautiful capricorn that has a bit of sadness today.

P, I'm not telling her he's in love with her or that if he's even that into her. we only know the story she tells. we also know that if she learns nothing about herself, it is likely she'll repeat the same mess with the next.

she needs to reflect. suck it up, dust herself off and figure out why she continues this pattern of self hate.



I appreciate your empathy here and what a great perspective given from your own heartache, Elle. Two thumbs up. You are a wise woman, and a very free one.

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I cannot justify this treatment of her because of being an LDR ... that doesn't make it right.

And I cannot justify her choosing to accept this treatment of her so long as she finds a reason for it ... and that is what is happening .. it is what is always happening in here.


Woman comes here and seeks an answer to hold onto as to why she can accept/tolerate that she's being treated like a dog ..... and never really looks at the fact that she's worth more.


And it irritates the living fuck out of me that people come in here and tell her lies, like he really cares about you ... just to make her feel better about hurting.


GODDAMN YOU ... that doens't help her, it makes it worse because then she will tolerate the abuse further, for longer.



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if Goatlady wants to suck and fuck him, then let her... What is it with women and relationships? always trying to turn a fuck into an engagement. saying "i miss you" doesn't mean "I love you" What exactly does she miss? The Dick? The way he pecks her on the cheek when he finished his nut? I mean she's not showing any real emotion either. I saw that right from the beginning. She's complaining that HE doesn't but has she really? Yeah she's telling US but she hasn't told him from what I gather...

I'm also starting to believe that men are more in touch with the realities of commitment, and that's why they (for the most part, or the ones I know) avoid making them. My experience with women shows me that they candy-coat the reality of co-habitation.




Not to hijack this thread, but I share your view on committment: men vs. women -- check this out, if you will (yes, its from my thread -- my response half-way down the page being with "I may be wrong"...
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I understand P, and most of the time you are correct. it's delivery to some, it's over their heads a bit.

how many times did you have to knock me up side the head?

i've cursed you from my monitor plenty of times in the beginning...LOL




I'm sure you have cursed me ... I've shaken my head at you so many times .. but, in the end, we actually "get" each other.

I disagree about the delivery. Everyone of you have the same delivery .. I'm the only one that offers it from a different angle.

A room full of voices that all sound the same, and one that sounds different .... which one do you think will get your attention?

If you look at threads in which I take someone by the shoulders to shake ... all the people begin to respond only to me. Sure they are being defensive and acting like asses to me, but, the point is .. my voice is heard overtop the rest.

I'm not gonna lie to these people .. if they are being chucklefucks, then I'm gonna say it because I actually care. All the people who are too afraid of the truth, and only hug are the ones that don't care ... they are the ones that are afraid of truth.
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I cannot justify this treatment of her because of being an LDR ... that doesn't make it right.

And I cannot justify her choosing to accept this treatment of her so long as she finds a reason for it ... and that is what is happening .. it is what is always happening in here.


Woman comes here and seeks an answer to hold onto as to why she can accept/tolerate that she's being treated like a dog ..... and never really looks at the fact that she's worth more.


And it irritates the living fuck out of me that people come in here and tell her lies, like he really cares about you ... just to make her feel better about hurting.


GODDAMN YOU ... that doens't help her, it makes it worse because then she will tolerate the abuse further, for longer.



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I'm sorry, I don't get that .... what does that mean?
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Everyone of you have the same delivery .. I'm the only one that offers it from a different angle.

A room full of voices that all sound the same,



Could it be that the reason why your comments get attention is because so many people that come here are already beating themselves up or have been getting beat up that your voice of contempt rings familiar due to their current state of mind? As in if one is in a foreign country and hears someone speaking in their native tongue, naturally, they will get your attention...right?



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Everyone of you have the same delivery .. I'm the only one that offers it from a different angle.

A room full of voices that all sound the same,



Could it be that the reason why your comments get attention is because so many people that come here are already beating themselves up or have been getting beat up that your voice of contempt rings familiar due to their current state of mind? As in if one is in a foreign country and hears someone speaking in their native tongue, naturally, they will get your attention...right?



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Could be, but, it's not ..... I'm real, not whimsical.

Could be isn't the same as is.

Fact = these women come in here wanting to be pampered, coddled, hugged, nurtured FOR allowing themselves to be emotional abused.
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Let's say that what you said is true ... and the woman comes in here to GET AWAY from it, so then why would she follow it?

The reason why she hears it is because it is unusual



I think it's very usual to her/him. However, they may need comforting, first, though. You know, the iron fist in the velvet glove...

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scorp men (the sane ones) are more mushy and emotional compare to many other signs. your question to me sound like you are asking wether 1+1 = 4000.

Yes, he is NOT into you but sex. LEAVE.



Agreed. From what I read ... the light may not get brighter at the the end of the tunnel. Sure, he may intrigue the hell out of you now but you will want more than just a romp in the sack -- I would.
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That statement rings VERY true for a capricorn because we DO beat ourselves up ALOT and are VERY VERY hard on ourselves. So when we hear someone like P-Angel try to make us feel worse, we come out SWINGING in defense cause one thing we do IS stand up for ourselves.



Oh yeah. I mean, capricorns loooove hearing (or reading for that matter) the truth, but it depends how you say it. You better say it to me like you have good intention, not because you want to be an asshole.
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@ tooseriouslol, my statement about her was not for caps in general. I hope I didn't come off like that.

Yes, I like cappy women, at least the ones I've met on dxp. The cappys I know in real life, vary, though. I guess it's easier for you guys to express yourselves through writing on forums than in real life, because in the RW, I don't see you all being that open unless you really know the person. From these boards, I've come to realize cappys are sensitive and sentimental (despite their expressionless faces or seemingly don't care attitude) and are very often misunderstood.



I like you really really really enthusiastically hard right now ^_^. You are cool 😉
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Maybe it's a female Capricorn thing .... there's one on the Pisces board making just as much of a fool out of herself by pining away over an asshole, and though she has a vague notion that he's a dickhead, she doesn't quite have the mental acuity to put two and two together.




Asking questions does NOT make you a fool. Better to get feedback than to do something than regret it later.
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I'm head over heels for my Scorpio man and always tell him I miss him and stuff when we talk on the phone, but he has never once been affectionate in words with me, or to my face. Is that normal? We've been seeing each other since April.
Sex is great, really intense, but it always feels like I'm the one doing the running. Don't get me wrong, I don't crowd him out or nag him, we have our own homes, I'm just wondering if his lack of affection, apart from when we have sex, is because he isn't into me? HELP! He can be quite shy, but on the phone he talks to me like i'm a business colleague.




I'm a capricorn and I've had 3 Scorpio men before and my sister is a scorpio....One word: CONTROL.... And let me tell you this. As soon as you act like you don't want them...that's when they will hunt you down and be all over you. why? because they want to CONTROL you... I know this to be very true. But you're not at that point right now because your here on DXP, right?....

Here's my insight on scorpio and capricorns...
although he appreciates your vulnerability patience's, understanding and the fact that you would travel to the end of the earth for him...he still makes you suffer. He doesn't want to but he gets so caught up in a vortex of emotions that he can't help it. You bring out his intensity that Scorpios try to sit on, because it comes down to the fact that either they control it or it controls them. And a scorpio hates losing control and having an intense sexual, emotional, intellectual experience is jus the thing to cause it.

I believe scorpios have a hard time accepting all what a capricorn woman has to give because deep down, they feel they don't deserve it...therefore he loves the idea of you, but the actual makes him nervous and that's why he will restrict it to brief encounters....

His behavior has puzzled you and pained you and put you into an emotional space where us capricorns start doubting ourselves....but the danger comes when YOU GOATLADY begin to believe that you deserve what little he gives you....

My advice is...start seeing other people. yall aren't in a relationship so why not? keep your options open. Pull away and stop telling him so much about how you feel because its getting you in trouble.
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That statement rings VERY true for a capricorn because we DO beat ourselves up ALOT and are VERY VERY hard on ourselves. So when we hear someone like P-Angel try to make us feel worse, we come out SWINGING in defense cause one thing we do IS stand up for ourselves.



And since we aren't emotionally involved with anyone on this board, we can stand up for ourselves...here. But can we stand up for ourselves with the person who is hurting us in the RW ... the one who has bought us to the boards?

Yes, we can.

Coming to the boards is therapy, right?

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"Fact = these women come in here wanting to be pampered, coddled, hugged, nurtured FOR allowing themselves to be emotional abused."

Fact = I come here wanting to be pampered, coddled, hugged and nurtured and end up being emotional abused by every one of you.




lol, you can't forget the tongue or a wink ... it just doesn't come across right