"You are speaking as if, you're the only one that has to adapt to scorpios. As if a scorpio doesn't have to adapt to you."
Now THERE we have an understanding Jack. Cuz you see before I read what you wrote to mean, everyone else has to make the effort to understand the scorpio without the scorpio trying to understand everyone else. Understood now.
J😱 She should feel comfortable releasing her inner most to you.
She does. It took a while to win her trust, but she shares a lot with me. The problem: I'm VERBAL, and many of her experiences are very hard to put into words.
Some of our best communication is physical (not just sex! although...), and that helped us get past the verbal fits & starts during our courtship.
Your status with your Scorp wife, is no coincidence.
My whole relationship with her is nothing short of a miracle. Which is why I continually seek understanding -- miracles are hard for Earth Dudes to accept...
"They felt that because Scorpios so were so deep and complex, that they couldn't fully describe or explain things to others, and I don't feel that's the case."
I just think when the universe was dishing out verbal self-expression, scorpio was last in line...gemini in front, followed swiftly by virgo.
"I can see what you're saying on that. I have a couple friends where we really don't have much in common and it's just not that easy for us to really or connect with each other."
I'm the same way, but it's because so many people are surface only friends, lovers, etc. It's all plastic. They won't or just are not equipped to be there for you in any real way. I need people to be there for me in an emotional way, or connect emotionally for me to consider it real. Any other connection is pointless, imo, and those are the types I consider shallow or lacking in depth.
"As far as your comment above, to clarify...no one, including myself, has implied or said that emotional depth means someone has a superiority complex or is weak."
But, that's what started it all yeah? The accusation that Scorpios think they are superior because of their emotional depth? And then depth of emotion is just drama and negativity...etc. etc.
"I would actually say that Scorpios are guilty of being hypocritical no matter what age. They may not like it when something is being done to them, but from many of the stories expressed here, they are guilty of a double-standard and acting out the very behavior they criticize and don't like in others."
There are scorpios who are this way, absolutely. But there are others who are not. I'm surrounded by them. Like you, I do not allow people who only take but do not give, into my life. Those people will only drain you and make you a very spiteful, vindictive person. We are all guilty of double standards at some level. We have standards for ourselves and another set for others, although we sometimes don't realize it. DXP is an astrology advice board, so naturally those dealing with Scorpios (or any other sign) who have relationship issues will make up the majority of the posts. It's not even a drop in the bucket when considering such a vast group of people.
"I wasn't even thinking of it in those terms. I don't really consider the people I don't connect with plastic or fake."
Right, but you're also not ruled by emotion, so you may not need that connection as strongly as, say a water sign.
"No, what I'm saying is that they think they're superior because they think their emotional depth is GREATER than other signs."
I was talking about the thread as whole, not you specifically. But, like I said before, the "emotional depth", or lack thereof, of the signs is ingrained in astrology and this is an astrology board. Expecting people to completely disregard it is most likely not going to happen.
"but when you assume and claim yourself to be deeper than someone else because of their sign, you sound arrogant and ignorant."
But in all fairness, don't people of all signs do this with the particular "strengths" of their sign? You may not, personally, but it really is all over the boards. Earth signs boast about their logic, fire signs about their passion, air signs about their detachment. Why single out Scorpio? I really haven't noticed any of them being any more obnoxious than people of other signs who do this sort of thing.
I think an important part of what FA is saying is that if we accept that Scorpios are 'deeper', then we are prone to accept more bullsh*t from them.
I have read so many things on this site which could basically be examples from 'He's just not that into you' - but because they are Scorpio stories, they become, "He's treating you like sh*t BECAUSE he's into you."
Hmmm. I'm not sure. It certainly hasn't worked like that for me. I am a patient soul who has recently gone through the Scorpio 'tests' - or are they? I'm not so sure they aren't just the incoherent emotional outpourings of someone who doesn't know themself well enough to articulate their needs. (ANd why are people so willing to accept Scorpio 'Tests'? When do they become just playing around with you or indeed, showing little interest? As Carrie Bradshaw might type in close-up, 'WHEN IS A BREAK-UP A FAKE-UP?'
Of couse, I'm a Virgo - so I *would* suspect that. But this is a guy I really care about and who has told me about his trust issues... For all that, he'd rather have the trust issues than work on 'em an d make himself available for a relationship.
Not that into me? Or 'typical unevolved Scorpio'? The end result is the same. MY only responsibility is to myself - to find someone who can give me what I need, and WHO CAN TAKE WHAT I WANT TO OFFER. He's out there somewhere...
I'm not really sure this is about sun sign at all. I think people of any sign can mess others around, not know themselves well, blow hot and cold... etc.
Oh - I also wanted to ask people who know better than I do - what happens to all these insights about sun signs when the chart progresses or you get Saturn Returns, etc?
"I think people of any sign can mess others around, not know themselves well, blow hot and cold... etc."
You're right, they can and do. The same stories are on all the boards. Blaming the sun sign is a way to preserve the ego, rather than admitting the person in question just doesn't want you or a commitment.
"The end result is the same. MY only responsibility is to myself - to find someone who can give me what I need, and WHO CAN TAKE WHAT I WANT TO OFFER. He's out there somewhere..."
Good for you! That's the best attitude to have. Don't ever settle.
Thanks, SS. 🙂 I have been alone for to long to contemplate settling. I've waited this long, I can wait a little longer. But I can't deny it's painful when someone seems to come on so strong that they frighten themselves off...
However, I feel it's unfair to Scorpios to blame them for commitment-phobia!
(Oh, and just wanted to agree about the Rising Sign thing - I do seem to come across as far more Scorpio (Asc) than Virgo a lot of the time. And it isn't just about appearances)
I agree but I think a lot of people might argue that it's not seeing them as 'better' - just 'making allowances'.
Mind you I have to put my hand up to having the Nit-picker trait. However, I'm middle-aged now and have worked on it for so long that people don't realise (I learnt to keep quiet!)
If people had just patted me on the head all these years and said, "There there, it's okay if you're offensive - you're a Virgo," I don't think it would have helped my personal growth much...
unless i missed something, there isn't really any boastfulness among the natives in this thread. and if there is, it isn't any more than you'll find on any other board. most ppl are proud of who they are. most ppl acknowledge their positive traits and you'll find few who initiate a discussion about their worsts.
if anyone has idolized scorps, it is you all. you're responsible for your own response. non-scorps do more talking about scorps on this board than the actual scorps anyway. how many resident "experts" do we have again? at least a few. the rest of us talk about random sh!t.
objectivity doesn't exist in my book. you relate to things through your experience with them. you can't block out those experiences. everyone is subjective on some level. just because you look at both sides of the coin doesn't mean you're not being subjective.
"I agree but I think a lot of people might argue that it's not seeing them as 'better' - just 'making allowances'."
Or how about just different? lol I did argue this, but no one had a comeback. It's up to individual perception whether or not they think it's "better" or not to feel things deeply. As someone who does, after about a month of it, most would want rid of it. It's a double-edged sword.
But, just so I have this straight, water signs aren't logical like earth, we're not detached like air, and we're cold and lack the passion of fire...now, also, our claim to our one redeeming characteristic, emotional depth, has also being rescinded.
Well, that's fair and square, and it's going to cost a lot in rewrites on all those astrology books. 🙂
OMG this is just friggin hilarious. Too bad that other thread was flagged but scorp-in-law, all I gotta say is you sure are some whack job. Here you are defending the negative scorpio traits. Do you really think creating that thread about me has painted scorpios in an even better light?
If anything, it's proven my point about the basic nature of scorpio. Jealous, vengeful and vindictive. You claim you had nothing against me, and yet you decide to go on some sort of power trip to take the time to go through all my past posts to create a collage dedicated to me...to prove God knows what. I mean, who the fvck does that? Hahaha...only a scorpio...and a scorpio female at that.
I mean, it's great to be stalked and all, but jeeeezus, get a life. And then scorpioheart, as sweet as you sound, you tell me, you don't want to talk to me anymore, then next thing you're asking me about my kids. I mean, who the fvck are you? Their grandmother? Would you like my home address too? The number of cars I drive? Licence plate numbers?
It's one thing for me to give out my first name and my husband's first name, but you get NOTHING about my kids....got it? You're a bunch of strangers on the friggin internet...how dumb do you think I am? Do you really think I'd give you enough details to put together so that you can know everything about me?
You really ARE some crazy people.
P.S. the only scorp female on this board that this is not directed to is virgogotme (what can I say, I always have exceptions)
you lost your goddamn mind talking to SIL like that. she is one of the most intelligent and mature posters on this entire message board. you're just mad because she pointed out your obvious contradictions and exposed your silliness. collage dedicated to you? LOLHAha those were direct qoutes, doll. your words, not hers.
don't let FinA cap your head up. she, too, has been slaughtered on this forum many 'o' times. lol
woman went and lost her goddamn mind. LOL whole mind....
""I have never heard another poster condemn one sign more than Newbie condemns Scorps. She is worse than the others in that regard.""
Ummm, have you met FinA/Aprilbaby? She reigns in that category. No noob is gonna take the title of Scorp's #1 Hater away from her. You're outta your mind if you think April's gonna sit by and let that happen...
Nope, you're both wrong. Are we forgetting the one poster whose very name was based on their hatred of pisces, and imitationoflye and godblessamerica as well. If they're not all the same people that is
I was walking down the street and this old lady was flailing around on the ground. So naturally I helped her up. Then I found out she was a PISCES and I threw her back on the ground, punched her in the face and took her money. COME ON PEOPLE, LET'S PWN THESE PISCES!!!!
tbh, there are some signs that could cease to exist, w/o having anyone notice. because no one cares about them. i mean, thinking about it, aside from gem, cancer, virgo, scorp, aqua, and pisces, who really cares? i hardly hear anyone mention the others. they kind of fade into the background. it seems they fail to spark interest or curiosity among others for whatever reason.
"Actually, all signs pretty much suck. Scorpios only fool weak minded people into believing they are these elusive beings. Pisces don't even deserve a comment."
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Now THERE we have an understanding Jack. Cuz you see before I read what you wrote to mean, everyone else has to make the effort to understand the scorpio without the scorpio trying to understand everyone else. Understood now.