Vengeance is Overrated (Page 2)

This topic is so scorpio....

Only kind of vengeance you could even say I hand out is when someone takes my kindness for weakness and takes advantage of me for their own personal gain.... If I ever sense that shit I totally stop being Mr.nice guy... But then again wouldn't we all? I think I'm just to nice a person at least outwardly for that kind of stuff... Hell I'm usually only cruel and I suppose evil to someone when they are just outright rude to me like a heat of the moment kind of thing. I don't premeditate anything really..... Maybe if I find out someone has been manipulating me in some grand way that I somehow missed that could possibly get me to premeditate a revenge maybe... Which kinda relates to the first thing I said anyways... LoL Im usually in a hateful mood all the time so kinda hard to hate someone more than anyone else 😉

-42.

Yes, I do steal lunches and eat pastry all day. LOL.

A saying, people are who they are. Scorpios are scorpios. All have that tendacy.

Do you deny Elle that you never revenged on someone in your past?

Well ELLE, that is what I was talking about. But like you said, you have matured beyond your initial knee jerk reaction. Bravo.

Just because you have Libra, still does not take away that you are still Scorp. With other signsm, you control your Scorp.

Posted by ellessque


I just think giving someone death is too easy for them.

I believe we come back via a "next life" and have to repeat all the mistakes we didn't learn in a "new way" and keep repeating until we do learn them.

We give someone the gift of death (YES, the GIFT of death) and they aren't forced to figure out anything, they are set free from their hell hole of a mind and suffer nothing.....and who knows....could come back and do the same thing or even worse.

It's not *my* job to end someones life regardless of what they did to me or mine.

+ 100 x 50^3

Posted by ellessque
I think one can define a higher power without putting a label on that entity.

I don't really have a need to do that, personally.

I just think they are there. They don't have to have a name.

+1

Vengeance is NOT Justice. It's revenge.
"Justice" in the courtroom is revenge with legal approval.
That's all it is..
None of this BS really matters, anymore.

😢

EEE,
Who's to say that you are not tomorrow's nut?

Posted by everevolvingepithet

Posted by MrFirebird
EEE,
Who's to say that you are not tomorrow's nut?

My moral compass, ta.🙂

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Wait until that day comes, then talk to me about moral compasses.

Posted by xygeneration
Might be the wrong time to post this, but it just struck me how we're all discussing vengeance and then just today the Connecticut tragedy relates so much to the discussion....

Someone lost his moral compass.

Posted by xygeneration

Posted by MrFirebird

Posted by xygeneration
Might be the wrong time to post this, but it just struck me how we're all discussing vengeance and then just today the Connecticut tragedy relates so much to the discussion....

Someone lost his moral compass.

I guess this shouldn't be up for discussion.

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No, that's not what I am saying - What I am saying before the deed was done, nobody knew the shooter.
Nobody knew the person would do what he(they?) had done.
Watch what happens next: Gun control blah blah blah will ensue once again. People like Nancy Grace will
condemn, condemn, condemn. Themes of that nature will regurgitate over and over like a cow's cud.

What is always missing is the discussion of "why" - people ask it then... they blow it out their asses.

Gun Control Discussion:
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people.. Wonder what they'll do with gun control.. Maybe they Should just have a requirement for a psychiatric evaluation before people can purchase a gun... maybe People with schizophrenia and personality disorders or extreme mental illness shouldn't be allowed to own a gun..."
( I happen to know this person personally, she's bi-polar and schizo yet she's excited about hunting deer. -
kinda contradicting herself )

The problem with this thinking is that nobody knows who has problems - events like these occur regardless of
whether the individual has a emotional/mental problem or not. - that's not going to stop the crime.
In the case of Sandy Hook, it's been reported that the firearms were legally purchased by the mother. - something
for all you mothers out there to think about if you own a gun - don't be so sure your kid is a-ok - you might
become the next statistic. So keep your piece in a safe place.

DAMMIT
The Question has to be asked:
Why did it happen?

I suspect poor childrearing or dormant unaddressed issues.

It's usually something like that.

Compound those problems with a lousy society - your beggin' for something like this to happen.

Oh.... the person went on to say:
"I've read about the 26 people killed by a gunman today in Conn. But I was not aware of the 22 kids that were stabbed in China.... Nothing was said or written about the chinese kids, but the conn story is all over the place..."

Shall we outlaw cutlery, too?

It's NOT the weapon, it's the person, but the person is NOT alone - it's the society in which that person lives.

IF you want to stop these tragic things from happening, then you have to deal with society as a whole - problem:
Democracy and free speech and free expression, right to bear arms..... blah blah blah.
All those things guarantee all these things.

There is such a thing as "POSITIVE" Vengeance - it is when you take something bad and use it for good.

Trouble is - Positive Vengeance is excruciatingly overlooked, misunderstood and misapplied by an ignorant society.

Problem: mass shooting
Cause: Somebody snapped. (And don't give me any of this shit about how it was planned for weeks - he snapped before he started planning.)
------->>>>WHY

And THAT ^^^ is how you understand the problem: What led to it? And what are the IF/THENS (of computer software programing)
If this happens, that happens, set up a domino, and if that happens, this happens, set up a domino - repeat repeat repeat - etc etc etc etc etc etc.............
It's not impossible to understand - It's only careless simpletons who cannot comprehend the impossible that try to fix the problem with more problems. ORDO AB CHAO

Damn DXP.

Posted by xygeneration
Definitely, anything can be a weapon.

Society will never look at the real solution, because people's anger clouds the mind. It's the whole "ME ME ME ME" how will I protect myself, but part of survival is making sure those around you are good. That includes strangers, who makes up society. I'm not saying to give every beggar a bill or talk to every stranger out there.

That's the problem - you never know who is "good" until they die - when and how will determine whether you
are wrong in your judgement of who's "good" and who's bad.

Death is a fact of life - Survivalism has become chic in many circles but what people seem to forget is they
are going to die.

The hardcore survivalists, in the US, will stock up on arms and munitions, because they fear the US will hunt them
down and take away whatever they have but they forget that the US is very prepared to nuke or starve them - snuff em out
like ants. The powers that be have so crafted the laws that people will eventually turn on each other.
I'm not making this crap up - it's real. There IS a concerted effort to reduce the population.
Because they have the power and authority - they will accomplish their objectives - for those of you in the rest of world,
don't think you are not a target, either. The powers that be have got some BIG plans.

That's called self-defense.

An act of self-defense occurs in the moment. It is an immediate response to an immediate threat. An act of revenge is premeditated and often involves passive-aggressive behavior or acting outside of a code of conduct.

Posted by Let*It*Be
School faculty and administration need to be armed and fully trained by police/swat firearms instructors.

It's called BALANCING the fucking field. It is also WHY government will never be allowed to dismiss the 2nd amendment!

Teachers are civilians. You would suggest distributing more weapons to civilians as a way to counteract violence?

Posted by Let*It*Be
Whose talking about revenge?

Please see below, found at http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vengeance<BR>
venge??ance
[ven-juh—ns] Show IPA

noun
1.
infliction of injury, harm, humiliation, or the like, on a person by another who has been harmed by that person; violent revenge: But have you the right to vengeance?

2.
an act or opportunity of inflicting such trouble: to take one's vengeance.

3.
the desire for revenge: a man full of vengeance.

4.
Obsolete . hurt; injury.

5.
Obsolete . curse; imprecation.




This whole thread has been about revenge.

Posted by Let*It*Be
you forgot to add those^^ dear

Awwww. You don't know what an idiom is, do you? Dear...

Posted by Let*It*Be
Those innocent young children were civilians and helpless. It goes with the same example I gave yesterday..the next schmuck that decides on a whim to walk into a school will think TWICE if he knew the faculty and administration were trained and armed to blow his away the second he held up a gun to a small children. BALANCE

I think a more plausible idea would be to have school police on site at every school. Bring back metal detectors as well.

Posted by Let*It*Be
Hun, it's your thread and it's asking if vengeance is overrated. If you'd like to make one about revenge, by all means...


Why not start one up on bullying? You are up to date on the information out there on that yes?

Hey, it's not my fault you can't distinguish between nouns and idioms. Most of us knew what the thread was about, as words tend to be identified by the context in which they are used.


To clarify (again), we are talking about vengeance, the noun. The literal meaning of the word can be (and is often) used interchangeably with revenge.

Posted by Let*It*Be
"Hey, it's not my fault you can't distinguish between nouns and idioms. Most of us knew what the thread was about, as words tend to be identified by the context in which they are used.


To clarify (again), we are talking about vengeance, the noun. The literal meaning of the word can be (and is often) used interchangeably with revenge."


I'm very clear on what we are talking about, but you see the problem is because opinions differ in threads such as these, and when some of us don't follow the herd of sheep it results in the exact meaning of what this thread is about. As a result, and speaking for myself, I'm simply balancing the other side on behalf of my own beliefs (not what you or anyone else here wants me to believe and follow)...and as always that's not taken well. If that's a problem, too damn bad.

*facepalm*



Okay, thank you for sharing, hon.

You betcha.

Posted by PotHeadVirgo22
If they ban guns, we're all fucked....

^^^Naturally.

December 14, 2012 event smells of psyop to me.

I never could understand the concept of vengeance. To me it's an outlet for aggression, nothing else. It is rarely that I feel I need to make someone pay for something they've done - usually I turn my back and forget about them. Their loss.

An action and its consequences (reaction) can never be equally measured, no matter how similiar the circumstances are. So vengeance is not setting things straight, it's just f*cking with the person who you feel has f*cked with you. In other words, it is not a rational way to deal with things.

But sure, it is rarely that I am rational when it comes to my emotional life, vengeance can be served either in the form of a cold shoulder for life, or it can get pretty physical. Being a Fire sign I think our approach is more direct than a Scorp's.

If you betray me in some way I will not waste my time getting even with you because you don't deserve more of my attention. If you've gotten "physical" with me or someone I love I will do physical harm to certain parts of your anatomy and proudly face the consequences for doing it.

Your actions can either shut off my feelings, or get my blood boiling. There is not middle ground.

Revenge is a way to put someone in your same level of misery after being wronged. It's "getting even" by hurting the one who wronged you.

I prefer to use my time and energy to get out of the "misery hole".