Am I cheating?

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Ok guys I'm in need of some advice/opinions. I'll try to make this brief.
I'm seeing a bull; neither of us have come out and said that we're in a full on relationship or anything like that we just seem to be going with each others flow and taking our time. In my earlier more neurotic time of our dating I decided it would be best if I continued to entertain other men so as not to become too wrapped up in the bull. Nothing physical just polite dates or hang outs; general stuff like that. I have an online dating profile and I will chat with guys and what not.
Well lately the behavior of the bull is leading me to believe that he may be thinking that we are in a relationship and not entertaining any others. Exhibit A-whatever; A. The other day 1 of his acquaintances was really flirting with me and he kept getting a little too close. He screamed at the guy "Get away from my woman" and pulled me to his side. He did it in a joking manner but the tone was serious and this is the 1st time he ever referred to me as "his woman". b. He treats his phone like his business, everyone is listed by 1st & last name and no one has a photo associated with there name. 3 days ago he asked me to send him a pic of myself so he could program it in his phone. (My jaw hit the floor) c. He knows I hate taking photos so apparently he secretly takes photos of me when I'm not looking. The other day he sent me all of these "ninja" photos he's taken of me. d. He's always calling me "his" and him "mine". It's always I will kill for "my" (insert my name) or your (insert his name) finished the project. And the list goes on and on. So here's the dilemma I am NOT a cheater, I only chat with other guys to keep myself from falling too hard too fast for this guy. If he thinks we're in a full on relationship and were to find out I'm even talking to other guys (with his history with cheaters) it would not end well and I don't think I would ever fully regain that trust. BUT I don't want to stop entertaining other guys if we're still just dating. Don't want to have all my eggs in one basket so to speak. So my question is do bulls ask you to be their mate or do they just mentally claim you and assume you're cool with it? If they do mentally claim, how can I ask him if we're in a relationship without making it feel like pressure that bulls seem to run from? FYI I'm happy with just dating right now I just need to know I'm not cheating.
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haha @Tiziani I luv you; you're so sweet. Sorry to scare you there, we're still trucking along :-)

Just the idea of "The Talk" makes me nervous. We have a great flow going on right now and it makes me hesitate to just come out and ask because I don't want to appear as if I am unhappy with the way things are now or adding pressure for them to change. But I can't say; "Hey are we in a relationship cause if we are I need to let go of my own harem". That might not go over so well. I want to ask but in a way that relates that it's ok if we're not. I wish when he called me "his woman" I just asked then (it would have been more organic). I'm hoping another organic opportunity will present itself so I don't have to make things awkward.

@GGLT thanks for the advice; I know that if I'm feeling this energy it's probably time to make a change. It would devastate me if the ever thought I would betray him.
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@Torro at the end of the day I only want him. I keep others around to keep my neurosis in check and keep myself from barreling off the deep end with this guy and running him off. If we were official all others would cease to exist. We're only at the 6 month mark and for both of us that feels a bit fast but in the same breath we're like some friggin magnets. I don't want to rush things or cause unnecessary pressure so I would be fine and prefer to just wait for him to be ready and tell me in his own time. My only fear is that maybe in his mind it's obvious and doesn't need to be said, it just is. If that's the case I need to know so I can cut everything else off. I don't want to lose him for some guy I'm just chatting with and not even remotely interested in...that would suck!
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Thanks @Torro & @Tiziani
I agree with your point @Torro, 6 months is short and he could still run if he senses me pushing things. Since the relationship aspect is not a big deal to me (yet) I think I will continue as is and do my absolute best to make sure he never hears of other guys. It's just such a gamble. But bringing up the relationship question now is just something I'm not comfortable with (yet). If the opportunity presents itself in the form of him calling me "his woman" again; hopefully I'm quick enough to pounce on the opportunity to get some clarification...

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when i first came to this site, i was looking for info on taurus, and google gave me this link 🙂

https://www.dxpnet.com/opinion/taurus/taurus-men-and-their-harem-of-women-2787736/



Ohhhh, so that's where The Harem begun. 😛

Damn that Venus.
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hahaha, but tauruses are cute. i don't know how they do it, making all harems feel special at same time 😛
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Hun, ive only been seeing my Taurus for little over a month and he told me he doesn't share on the first night we hung out. Hes also used "we"referring to us for a few weeks. Hebasnt gotten to the point of including me in the distant future but he told me the other night that we are in a relationship. So from youve stated hes thought thatyou were in a relationship. Tauruses want you for themselves, don't break that trust.
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@Torro isn't your Venus in Gem? Do you not have a harem?



My Venus is in Taurus, Mercury is Gemini, and my Sun's cusp is Gemini. I admit that I'm playful with handsome guys, but I don't have a harem in a way that I actually DATE them. Just like to have them around me. As acquantiances, as friends. Not FWB, just friends. I like having pretty stuff around me, and in Taureans' eyes, people are "stuff" too, haha, it sounds horrible but it's actually very sweet once you understand the concept. I'm way more selective with my lovers.
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I could agree with this. When I first started seeing the bull I was amazed at how many women were literally chasing him. But he seemed to enjoy the attention more than actually being interested in seeing these women. I think all people do this in a way when they're single...not just Taureans. People just like attention from the opposite sex. What's so wrong with that? So long as you're not banging every pretty face...lol
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@Scorpio72 I get what you're saying but in the same breath I don't think it's fair to limit yourself if you're not in a committed relationship. My issue is I don't really know for sure if I'm in a committed relationship...lol

I just wanted some of the bulls to confirm or deny whether you guys ask a girl for a relationship or just assume she knows. He told me the last GF (the cheater) they were like best-friends that one day morphed into a relationship. This gives me the impression that he sort of just decides in his mind and never really verbalizes it to the girl. I dunno I'll figure out a seamless way to get some clarification sans the pressure.
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I would never flat out say "I don't share". I'm thinking if we're in a relationship (not an open relationship or anything like that) than it's pretty obvious that we are dating one another and not other people. Why would we be in a relationship otherwise? I also see saying those words as my own insecurity.



Yea I could see that... But I do let the person know that I love HARD and EXCLUSIVELY! I just want the person to know what they're getting when they sign up for me...lol
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Although scorpios and Taurus are polar opposites, we are more alike than a lot. We both despise disloyalty. I have been loyal to my Taurus since day one. I

What's his chart? I want to compare to my bulls...

Have you both verbalized that you're in a committed relationship? Did he have a harem?

I don't think chatting with other guys is being disloyal when we're still (technically untitled) He's the only man I've "been" with on ANY physical or emotional level in the past year and a half.
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I would never flat out say "I don't share". I'm thinking if we're in a relationship (not an open relationship or anything like that) than it's pretty obvious that we are dating one another and not other people. Why would we be in a relationship otherwise? I also see saying those words as my own insecurity.



This is more along my lines of thinking.


The Hard and Exclusive brand of love is very admirable, but sometimes it makes me shift uncomfortably in my seat lol
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I didn't say that on the 1st date. Not until months later when he started dropping the ILU bomb. I just wanted him to understand my meaning of love before he went around dropping ILUs all over the place.
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Hes sun Taurus Gemini moon Venus in cancer. Yes he told me wed night that we are in relationship and no he didn't have a harem but hes way too busy with work that he didn't have time to gather a harem. I only met him because we work together.



Good grief! What kind of Taurus is he? That rare elusive one that knows what he wants and waste no time acquiring it. That Cancer Venus probably helps; he'll hold on tight.

@Tiziani I don't think I've ever dated an air sign, def not a Libra. I think my neurosis would scare you guys off... I'm just too intense in love, which is why I need diversions to keep the intensity down. Maybe is the scorpio in my chart...lol Who knows
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Hes sun Taurus Gemini moon Venus in cancer. Yes he told me wed night that we are in relationship and no he didn't have a harem but hes way too busy with work that he didn't have time to gather a harem. I only met him because we work together.



Good grief! What kind of Taurus is he? That rare elusive one that knows what he wants and waste no time acquiring it. That Cancer Venus probably helps; he'll hold on tight.
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He's Fifty Shades of Taurus! lmao You are right, he did not waste any time in hooking me and he won't have an issue holding me! 🙂
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@neuroticvirgo, this must have something to do with being a virgo too. we are mutable signs, we thrive on change. the thought of anything binding us to one place/person can cause us to panic? i have experienced this feeling many times. if i have to decide on something i feel anxious. i can be stable and steady in what i do, but i don't want to lock down anything, like this is it. hmm, that holds for relations too maybe? being committed but afraid to put a seal on it?

i find myself relating to this i read somewhere on the internet:

"Mutable signs experience the sense of multiple selves, and sometimes struggle to feel real and solid in themselves. Their sense of identity is loose, and like a kaleidoscope, always changing. But over time, a core sense of self emerges, based on this changeability, but transcending it, too."
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@memyself you definitely have a point and this mindset has a lot to do with my fear of just asking what we are to him. In my experience when I put a label on a relationship that's when it begins to spiral downhill. Something about closing the lid on that box I'm sitting it causes me to freak out a bit. In my last "mini" relationship; one day we were in the car and it felt like an "insta-family" in that moment. I began to hyper-ventilate it was downhill from there. In this case I just want to know if I'm justified in entertaining other guys without so much changing the status quo of the way things are. I just don't want him to see a text or something and be like "YOU EFFIN CHEATER WE'RE IN A RELATIONSHIP!"
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@memyself you definitely have a point and this mindset has a lot to do with my fear of just asking what we are to him. In my experience when I put a label on a relationship that's when it begins to spiral downhill. Something about closing the lid on that box I'm sitting it causes me to freak out a bit. In my last "mini" relationship; one day we were in the car and it felt like an "insta-family" in that moment. I began to hyper-ventilate it was downhill from there. In this case I just want to know if I'm justified in entertaining other guys without so much changing the status quo of the way things are. I just don't want him to see a text or something and be like "YOU EFFIN CHEATER WE'RE IN A RELATIONSHIP!"



maybe you are afraid of what you might hear? that you guys are a couple. so, if you question yourself, do you think of you as a couple? the fact that you are ok with talking to other guys, you might want to ask yourself if you feel committed to this man and what you want with him. it is ok to not know the answer, maybe that is what is happening, you are not sure if you are ready to commit? and are you ok with him seeing other women? while i can feel the same as you are feeling right now, usually if there is guilt of talking with someone else, then you need to confirm what it is you have going? though to be honest, i am not great at having the talks or even asking, i just go with the flow like you said. i get dead scared of having relationship talks, mostly because maybe i am never ready to hear what it is, does not matter if it is going to be something +ve or -ve, i'd much rather not talk about it. strange how some can straight up ask where they stand, and just move on if there is no future. i can hang in for years without asking. sounds weird writing it 🙂
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@memyself it doesn't sound strange at all! I am the EXACT same way, something about verbal communication literally immobilizes me in matters of the heart. I have questions but I am not brave enough to ask them for fear that I am not yet ready to hear the answer. In this case my guilt is what made me create this thread. It's bad because the only reason I even entertain other guys is too keep myself from falling for him too fast. I honestly would prefer to not deal with anyone but him but the others are sort of a defense mechanism. I am NOT ok with him seeing other women (deep down at least) since we haven't verbally committed to each other if he were entertaining other women I would accept that as we really have not said we were monogamous but it would hurt... a lot.

In this case I think I fear any response. I fear yes for fear that I may not be ready or rushing things and I fear no because even though I think I don't want it or am not ready for it. I know if he were to deny me, it would hurt and I would realize I do want it. So really there is no good answer to this question. I could just take the chance go with my gut and cut the other guys off. It really wouldn't hurt me at all not to chat with these guys. Lately I'm with the bull so often I barely have the chance to chat anyway. I think I just hold on to them as a sort of security blanket so if the bull hurts me I can tell myself "No big deal #2 you're up" shallow I know.

To answer your question: Yes I feel like we're a couple BUT I feel that couple energy is only coming from him. He seems to be using the "we" and doing little couple things and I'm always so caught off guard, maybe because its happening so fast. I have always been able to anticipate what a guy I'm seeing is going to do but with him everything just comes so randomly I always feel 2 steps behind his thought process so I rarely get to be in the moment. I don't know why I'm always caught off guard but I know I don't want it to stop.
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Hi neuroticvirgo, I asked my Bull about your situation and I find his answer quite interesting. If you??re not officially together, to him this is not cheating??_ then he asked me??_how would YOU feel though if the situation is reverse? To him, it is fine for me to have friends and that include men and women. He said its normal that guys flirt with women??_it's been happening since the dawn of time??_ but again, how would you feel if the situation is reverse? What would I want him to do if that happen to me?

He said harmless things are meant to be harmless??_people are the one making them bad. He said if I have to know the truth??_ seeing his girlfriend with another man will never make him happy but that's just him and that I don't have worry about it, if to me that's harmless??_and that he's possessive, not stupid. And someday, it will be the same with our daughter he add??_ I will hunt down every little prick that will be after her.

Well, I think you already know the answer to this thread??_ you just need us to convince you you??re not a bad person. And I don't think you??re a bad person??_ but are you ready for all of this? I believe your answer will shed light to this whole situation. 🙂
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Hi @Leylia12 thanks for the response I soo love you and your bulls relationship!

I been thinking about this all night and I think I am going to place every other guy I talk to firmly in the friend zone for right now and let them know someone else holds my interest at the present moment. I'm sure based on the fact that I never go out with them, they already know this but I just won't feel good about myself unless I feel like I'm being totally honest with all parties involved. Honestly if this were my bull I would be ok with him chatting with other women so long as they were only friendly or he told them about me. Otherwise I'd be a bit hurt about it. As far as whether he thinks we're in a relationship or not; I'm sure he'll let me know in his own way in his own time.

So what's going on with you and your bull? You guys are like bull relationship inspiration or one of those myth stories girls tell there friends to convince them there relationship can work out. lol
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Thank you Neuroticvirgo 🙂

Things are going very well between me and my Bull, we went through a lot and we both know it. It might sound clich?, but communication is key here... and never take anything for granted. He doesn't talk much but always make sure I know I'm part of his life. I talk a lot and he's an awesome listener. I hang out with his friends and he hang out with mine. A little text message from him during the day makes me happy and a little "I miss you" from me once he get home gives him butterflies 🙂



We've finaly decided where we're going for our honeymoon, we have also decided where the wedding will take place and who we're inviting.... there are a lot of stuff left to do and think about but we enjoy doing them together 🙂
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Leylia12 when are you guys getting married? Congrats by the way that is sooo amazing. Did either of you know in the beginning that you would end up together? It's just sooo sweet.

My bull and I are the exact opposite; well neither of us are overly vocal but he tends to do most of the talking. This past week I finally got to the point where I felt secure enough with him to begin opening up about my past. It was a really good feeling to begin sharing things with him and the hear him ask questions. He seemed relieved that I was finally talking. You're sooo right though; those little random text messages and just the overall sweet little things he does, just make my day.
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Nvirgo, of course not, we lost contact of each other for a whole 6-7 years. And things were really complicated between us once we met again... I was with someone else and my Bull was extremely cold towards me. It took a lot of work and dedication from both of us to get where we are today and I'm sooo glad I called him after all those years... and now nothing in the whole world will be able to take him away from me ever again. 🙂

I always have a lot of questions... you know those WHAT IF?

What if I haven't called him?
What if he still hated me?
What if things were good between me and my Ex?
...

He on the other hand have that "everything will be ok" attitude, very down to earth and calm... and I think restless me needed someone like that while I spice up his life by being the tease and making him open up to a more colorful world. I noticed he laughed a lot more lately and I love to think that it's thank to me. 🙂

Gosh I could rant over our relation for hours if you want...how we met, how we got separate, how he proposed....

Overall...I just can't live without him 🙂
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Nvirgo, of course not, we lost contact of each other for a whole 6-7 years. And things were really complicated between us once we met again... I was with someone else and my Bull was extremely cold towards me. It took a lot of work and dedication from both of us to get where we are today and I'm sooo glad I called him after all those years... and now nothing in the whole world will be able to take him away from me ever again. 🙂

I always have a lot of questions... you know those WHAT IF?

What if I haven't called him?
What if he still hated me?
What if things were good between me and my Ex?
...

He on the other hand have that "everything will be ok" attitude, very down to earth and calm... and I think restless me needed someone like that while I spice up his life by being the tease and making him open up to a more colorful world. I noticed he laughed a lot more lately and I love to think that it's thank to me. 🙂

Gosh I could rant over our relation for hours if you want...how we met, how we got separate, how he proposed....

Overall...I just can't live without him 🙂



ohh ok! i remember reading your story. really from like out of a romance novel. hail romance! and congrats btw 🙂
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Posted by tiziani
Yeah there's really nothing wrong with it at all. Attention and healthy company around the opposite sex (and I do mean healthy, with boundaries) keeps you sharp and alive so that, when the right one does come along, you're not just some shy and retiring wallflower unprepared for to take on commitment and make the most of the opportunity. Just what I've come to learn in my own time, anyway.



I need to keep this in mind...good advice.
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Nvirgo, of course not, we lost contact of each other for a whole 6-7 years. And things were really complicated between us once we met again... I was with someone else and my Bull was extremely cold towards me. It took a lot of work and dedication from both of us to get where we are today and I'm sooo glad I called him after all those years... and now nothing in the whole world will be able to take him away from me ever again. 🙂

I always have a lot of questions... you know those WHAT IF?

What if I haven't called him?
What if he still hated me?
What if things were good between me and my Ex?
...

He on the other hand have that "everything will be ok" attitude, very down to earth and calm... and I think restless me needed someone like that while I spice up his life by being the tease and making him open up to a more colorful world. I noticed he laughed a lot more lately and I love to think that it's thank to me. 🙂

Gosh I could rant over our relation for hours if you want...how we met, how we got separate, how he proposed....

Overall...I just can't live without him 🙂



ohh ok! i remember reading your story. really from like out of a romance novel. hail romance! and congrats btw 🙂
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Wasn't it though!?! Soo friggin sweet