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Posted by scorchedearth
if you don't believe me go to the relationships board and say "guys, will accepting fwb eventually get me a relationship?" and see how the men respond to that. ijs.
No I agree, there's always exceptions but I don't think I can set myself up for that. It's tempting but extremely risky.
How funny... It sounds like something a Leo guy would do.
Another fixed/proud/stubborn sign. It could be that he has Leo placements and that brought them together in the first place. Or maybe its my 3 Leo placements speaking...lol. I am just putting it out there, tapping into some of the ways I would've behaved when I was younger and more insecure.
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I could see it being your Leo placements. lol
Can we look at your charts please, jebrooks? I'm curious
Umm what?? That was a complete oxymoron lol. How is it getting serious if we were both dating other people? I took that as his pride not letting him admit that he couldn't handle/didn't like me dating other guys. I told him all the best but then rekindled things a few weeks later. So I think what he's saying now is pretty similar to what he said months ago except the fwb thing which threw me for a loop.
Yeah, I would say this is pretty accurate, especially given the evidence you already have of how he *really* feels. He was testing, and his position was a *bluff* which you essentially called out. I suspect he is also bluffing with the FWB. You might not want to accept a REAL FWB demotion..lol, but you will KNOW the difference. Leos, IMO, are often a SURPRISINGLY good read on bulls. Trust your intuition, maybe give it some time and feel it out. People say and do all sorts of things out of anger/jealousy that they normally wouldn't, particularly bulls.
I could see it being your Leo placements. lol
Well then, I'd still be right. I try to cover all the bases..hahahahahha! 😛
Posted by busyeyes88
@jebrooks1988. If there was anything you were not sure about you should have askeD. Besides, the Leos I know seem to love having their ego stroked and prefer short flings not serious relationship and taurus ultimately prefers a serious relationship. I suggest you take your flirtations to another fire sign like a sag or Aries and leave him be.I'm actually very into relationships... I just got out of a 4 year one back in October. Do I flirt? Sure but I'm very committed to my partner ONCE I know where he stands. This honestly scares the sugar honey iced tea out of me lol because he's so guarded which makes me guarded.
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That's the real issue isn't it? With a Taurus, you will question that stance often, but they are exceedingly loyal. Yes, he's guarded, because he wants to know he can trust you with all of his secrets. They are the slowest moving sign, but they are honestly the sexiest because of it (Taurean ladies, why can't I stop falling for you!? 😛). The best course with him is to not flirt, even if it's in your nature. Also, as much as it pains me to say this, because I'm in relationship limbo with a Taurus, he may not be the one for you.
I'm not saying you're not without fault, but I understand your position a little better now. You won't be able to force affections back into it, because either he still likes you or he doesn't. Either way, you just have to prove that you're trustworthy to him, and if it is supposed to work out, it will.
Posted by scorchedearth
a taurus expects to be the only one. we want to be the center of your universe. we don't like to share. what you did was literally the worst possible thing you could have done. the only thing worse would be blowing some guy in front of him.we are extremely possessive. like lunatic possessive. and if you try to make us jealous we will just cut you off and not think of you as relationship material ever again.
if you had done to me what you did to him i would never speak to you again. and i am someone who always tries to be friends.
This sounds like my bull.
And I think that's why I have the opinion I do.
Posted by scorchedearth
if you don't believe me go to the relationships board and say "guys, will accepting fwb eventually get me a relationship?" and see how the men respond to that. ijs.No I agree, there's always exceptions but I don't think I can set myself up for that. It's tempting but extremely risky.
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And I really agree here. I'm just saying best chance for a last-ditch effort at real relationship.
BUT, there is another way, also risky. Just tell him "no thanks" and call his (potential) bluff on the FWB. Express the following (both crucial):
a) that you want more than an FWB from him; you're not willing to just have it be about the sex
b) that your actions were based on these sentiments you shared earlier in the thread:
"He told me only a few days before that he didn't want me to get jealous of other girls, how else was I supposed to take it? I saw that as him saying I'm going go talk to other girls so you should do the same. If I knew how he really felt I wouldn't have done that to him."
If you have already done that, you still need to give him time to simmer down. He's still hurt/angry. Maybe he will actually accept that explanation. He's still traumatized from that night. If a Taurus gets mad enough to fight someone, that's pretty serious.
How about asking him to have a talk about the FWB and if he agrees be completely straightforward with how you feel about everything... It's putting yourself out there, but why not?
The question is which type of bull is he?
Posted by scorchedearth
a taurus expects to be the only one. we want to be the center of your universe. we don't like to share. what you did was literally the worst possible thing you could have done. the only thing worse would be blowing some guy in front of him.we are extremely possessive. like lunatic possessive. and if you try to make us jealous we will just cut you off and not think of you as relationship material ever again.
if you had done to me what you did to him i would never speak to you again. and i am someone who always tries to be friends.
This sounds like my bull.
Sounds like my prom date, my dance mate (he was my guitar player), my friend from ... Aaahhh - sounds like LOTS of Taurus guys I know 😆
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Mine is a guitar player :p
"a) that you want more than an FWB from him; you're not willing to just have it be about the sex
b) that your actions were based on these sentiments you shared earlier in the thread: "
Just saw this :p
Posted by Eris
The question is which type of bull is he?Hahahaha... Curiosity is killing us, isn't it!! Hahahaha ...
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It sure is lol
Posted by Eris
Can we look at your charts please, jebrooks? I'm curious
Newbie but I think this is what you're looking for?
sun-leo
Ascendant-Gemini
Moon-scorpio
Mercury-Virgo
Venus-Cancer
Mars-Taurus
Jupiter-Cancer
Saturn- Capricorn
Uranus- Capricorn
Neptune- Capricorn
Pluto- Scorpio
Lilith- Scorpio
Asc node-Aquarius
I hope that's everything
Posted by scorchedearth
a taurus expects to be the only one. we want to be the center of your universe. we don't like to share. what you did was literally the worst possible thing you could have done. the only thing worse would be blowing some guy in front of him.we are extremely possessive. like lunatic possessive. and if you try to make us jealous we will just cut you off and not think of you as relationship material ever again.
if you had done to me what you did to him i would never speak to you again. and i am someone who always tries to be friends.
This sounds like my bull.
Sounds like my prom date, my dance mate (he was my guitar player), my friend from ... Aaahhh - sounds like LOTS of Taurus guys I know 😆
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Except the never speaking again part doesn't sound like this particular bull. She does this, and he calls, texts, invites her over, offers FWB w/a history of bluffing. He can't let go, even with how angry he is. I have seen Taurus men put up with SO MUCH from Leos too...lol. Extreme unfaithfulness even, relationships that are pure hell. It never seems to be over til' it really is over with this pairing.
Posted by busyeyes88
@jebrooks1988. If there was anything you were not sure about you should have askeD. Besides, the Leos I know seem to love having their ego stroked and prefer short flings not serious relationship and taurus ultimately prefers a serious relationship. I suggest you take your flirtations to another fire sign like a sag or Aries and leave him be.I'm actually very into relationships... I just got out of a 4 year one back in October. Do I flirt? Sure but I'm very committed to my partner ONCE I know where he stands. This honestly scares the sugar honey iced tea out of me lol because he's so guarded which makes me guarded.
That's the real issue isn't it? With a Taurus, you will question that stance often, but they are exceedingly loyal. Yes, he's guarded, because he wants to know he can trust you with all of his secrets. They are the slowest moving sign, but they are honestly the sexiest because of it (Taurean ladies, why can't I stop falling for you!? 😛). The best course with him is to not flirt, even if it's in your nature. Also, as much as it pains me to say this, because I'm in relationship limbo with a Taurus, he may not be the one for you.
I'm not saying you're not without fault, but I understand your position a little better now. You won't be able to force affections back into it, because either he still likes you or he doesn't. Either way, you just have to prove that you're trustworthy to him, and if it is supposed to work out, it will.
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Well he told me on the phone "I mean I like you...."
Posted by busyeyes88
@jebrooks1988. If there was anything you were not sure about you should have askeD. Besides, the Leos I know seem to love having their ego stroked and prefer short flings not serious relationship and taurus ultimately prefers a serious relationship. I suggest you take your flirtations to another fire sign like a sag or Aries and leave him be.I'm actually very into relationships... I just got out of a 4 year one back in October. Do I flirt? Sure but I'm very committed to my partner ONCE I know where he stands. This honestly scares the sugar honey iced tea out of me lol because he's so guarded which makes me guarded.
That's the real issue isn't it? With a Taurus, you will question that stance often, but they are exceedingly loyal. Yes, he's guarded, because he wants to know he can trust you with all of his secrets. They are the slowest moving sign, but they are honestly the sexiest because of it (Taurean ladies, why can't I stop falling for you!? 😛). The best course with him is to not flirt, even if it's in your nature. Also, as much as it pains me to say this, because I'm in relationship limbo with a Taurus, he may not be the one for you.
I'm not saying you're not without fault, but I understand your position a little better now. You won't be able to force affections back into it, because either he still likes you or he doesn't. Either way, you just have to prove that you're trustworthy to him, and if it is supposed to work out, it will.
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Well he told me on the phone "I mean I like you...."
Posted by busyeyes88
@jebrooks1988. If there was anything you were not sure about you should have askeD. Besides, the Leos I know seem to love having their ego stroked and prefer short flings not serious relationship and taurus ultimately prefers a serious relationship. I suggest you take your flirtations to another fire sign like a sag or Aries and leave him be.I'm actually very into relationships... I just got out of a 4 year one back in October. Do I flirt? Sure but I'm very committed to my partner ONCE I know where he stands. This honestly scares the sugar honey iced tea out of me lol because he's so guarded which makes me guarded.
That's the real issue isn't it? With a Taurus, you will question that stance often, but they are exceedingly loyal. Yes, he's guarded, because he wants to know he can trust you with all of his secrets. They are the slowest moving sign, but they are honestly the sexiest because of it (Taurean ladies, why can't I stop falling for you!? 😛). The best course with him is to not flirt, even if it's in your nature. Also, as much as it pains me to say this, because I'm in relationship limbo with a Taurus, he may not be the one for you.
I'm not saying you're not without fault, but I understand your position a little better now. You won't be able to force affections back into it, because either he still likes you or he doesn't. Either way, you just have to prove that you're trustworthy to him, and if it is supposed to work out, it will.
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Well he told me on the phone "I mean I like you...."
Posted by busyeyes88
@jebrooks1988. If there was anything you were not sure about you should have askeD. Besides, the Leos I know seem to love having their ego stroked and prefer short flings not serious relationship and taurus ultimately prefers a serious relationship. I suggest you take your flirtations to another fire sign like a sag or Aries and leave him be.I'm actually very into relationships... I just got out of a 4 year one back in October. Do I flirt? Sure but I'm very committed to my partner ONCE I know where he stands. This honestly scares the sugar honey iced tea out of me lol because he's so guarded which makes me guarded.
That's the real issue isn't it? With a Taurus, you will question that stance often, but they are exceedingly loyal. Yes, he's guarded, because he wants to know he can trust you with all of his secrets. They are the slowest moving sign, but they are honestly the sexiest because of it (Taurean ladies, why can't I stop falling for you!? 😛). The best course with him is to not flirt, even if it's in your nature. Also, as much as it pains me to say this, because I'm in relationship limbo with a Taurus, he may not be the one for you.
I'm not saying you're not without fault, but I understand your position a little better now. You won't be able to force affections back into it, because either he still likes you or he doesn't. Either way, you just have to prove that you're trustworthy to him, and if it is supposed to work out, it will.
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Well he told me on the phone "I mean I like you...."
Posted by busyeyes88
@jebrooks1988. If there was anything you were not sure about you should have askeD. Besides, the Leos I know seem to love having their ego stroked and prefer short flings not serious relationship and taurus ultimately prefers a serious relationship. I suggest you take your flirtations to another fire sign like a sag or Aries and leave him be.I'm actually very into relationships... I just got out of a 4 year one back in October. Do I flirt? Sure but I'm very committed to my partner ONCE I know where he stands. This honestly scares the sugar honey iced tea out of me lol because he's so guarded which makes me guarded.
That's the real issue isn't it? With a Taurus, you will question that stance often, but they are exceedingly loyal. Yes, he's guarded, because he wants to know he can trust you with all of his secrets. They are the slowest moving sign, but they are honestly the sexiest because of it (Taurean ladies, why can't I stop falling for you!? 😛). The best course with him is to not flirt, even if it's in your nature. Also, as much as it pains me to say this, because I'm in relationship limbo with a Taurus, he may not be the one for you.
I'm not saying you're not without fault, but I understand your position a little better now. You won't be able to force affections back into it, because either he still likes you or he doesn't. Either way, you just have to prove that you're trustworthy to him, and if it is supposed to work out, it will.
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Well he told me on the phone "I mean I like you...."
Posted by busyeyes88
@jebrooks1988. If there was anything you were not sure about you should have askeD. Besides, the Leos I know seem to love having their ego stroked and prefer short flings not serious relationship and taurus ultimately prefers a serious relationship. I suggest you take your flirtations to another fire sign like a sag or Aries and leave him be.I'm actually very into relationships... I just got out of a 4 year one back in October. Do I flirt? Sure but I'm very committed to my partner ONCE I know where he stands. This honestly scares the sugar honey iced tea out of me lol because he's so guarded which makes me guarded.
That's the real issue isn't it? With a Taurus, you will question that stance often, but they are exceedingly loyal. Yes, he's guarded, because he wants to know he can trust you with all of his secrets. They are the slowest moving sign, but they are honestly the sexiest because of it (Taurean ladies, why can't I stop falling for you!? 😛). The best course with him is to not flirt, even if it's in your nature. Also, as much as it pains me to say this, because I'm in relationship limbo with a Taurus, he may not be the one for you.
I'm not saying you're not without fault, but I understand your position a little better now. You won't be able to force affections back into it, because either he still likes you or he doesn't. Either way, you just have to prove that you're trustworthy to him, and if it is supposed to work out, it will.
Well he told me on the phone when he said he didn't want to hurt me, fwb, etc "I mean I like you...." Plus it was only a week before when he wanted to knock the guy out lol
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Huh... FINALLY, an approach I can relate to. Yep, this is how I would handle it too.
Of course, you are a proud Scorp...hahaha. This one is more dignified, but it may have less chance of success. First one I gave is best chance of success IMO. With this one, you are almost giving an ultimatum and the stubbornness and anger may still be way too strong for him to accept it. With time, openness/better communication, and physical proximity and touch, deep wounds can be healed. The way to the bulls heart is slow and sensual...lol. She can just be like "I want to see you" and make that work. She doesn't have to sign an FWB contract. She can just leverage his statement to that effect, to get in his presence.
Posted by Eris
The question is which type of bull is he?Hahahaha... Curiosity is killing us, isn't it!! Hahahaha ...
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His birthday is May 14 if that helps?
Posted by Eris
The question is which type of bull is he?Hahahaha... Curiosity is killing us, isn't it!! Hahahaha ...
His birthday is May 14 if that helps?
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Mine too. This synchronicity is the Universe's way of agreeing with my advice on this thread. 😉
Scorp Moon, Gem Asc. - well, even though he is a gamer, I doubt he is going to be able to outgame you. And I do think you were trying to call his bluff with your behavior now. At least admit to that! lol.
What year is he born?
Posted by scorchedearth
christ a scorpio moon. you knew exactly what you were doing. 😐
What's Scorpio moon mean? Still learning lol
Posted by TaurusLovesScorpio
What year is he born?
Well he'll be 27 in may so 1988
Posted by TaurusLovesScorpio
What year is he born?Well he'll be 27 in may so 1988
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know the city by any chance? if not, what's the closest you can get geographically to where he was born?
Taurus Moon - could be some opposite attraction/magnetism going on here, and maybe that's why he can't let go.
Venus in Gemini....lol, I recognize these games....
Posted by TaurusLovesScorpio
What year is he born?Well he'll be 27 in may so 1988
know the city by any chance? if not, what's the closest you can get geographically to where he was born?
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I believe south berry, ct
Posted by scorchedearth
oh. he's a dragon. they're insufferable drama queens. that changes a lot.
For sure, he once led me to believe he was out of town all because he was mad at me and didn't want to see me. *rolls eyes* He definitely is petty.
Posted by scorchedearth
dealing with a dragon in a relationship is you + him + his ego = your relationship.
So as of right now you think that his ego is just shot and that he's not completely done?
Him....
Sun Taurus
Moon Taurus
Mercury Gemini
Venus Gemini
Mars Aquarius
Jupiter Taurus
Saturn Capricorn
Uranus Capricorn
Neptune Capricorn
Pluto Scorpio
can't be certain of degrees, but synastry "by sign" def seems to explain why its hard to let go:
Moon opposite Sun, you too have an instant attraction you both feel intensely about your relationship although you tend to drive each other mad you wouldn't swap your partner for all the tea in china.
Moon opposite Moon, there may be plenty of thunder and lightning because this relationship has an electrified air to it. You understand your emotional differences well and they balance out but the spark in this relationship will never dull down but always reignite the flames of emotional passions, this is an intense affair of the heart for both involved.
Posted by scorchedearth
christ a scorpio moon. you knew exactly what you were doing. 😐Yep. She did.
I've played games before too. Usually on Leo or Pisces guys that start it first. I'm usually fully aware that they are going on, automatically friend-zone them in my heart & soul and then play along just for kicks.
None of those ended up being serious relationships. 😐
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What does the Scorpio moon mean?
Late to the party, but as a fellow Leo Sun/Scorp Moon currently on Round 2 with a Taurus I thought I'd offer my personal insights for whatever it's worth.
- Taurus/Leo pairings seem to get pretty negative views around here and I can see why. Pride and ego are the typical downfall and overall we function -very- differently. If you aren't willing to meet each other halfway, ridiculousness will ensue and the games will never end.
- Another challenge, as you've experienced, is communication styles. Both signs are very honest but I find that Leos are much more open whereas Tauruses open up slowly with time, trust and multiple tests.
- Don't be afraid to communicate! If you're not sure about something, ask. If you think your understanding is off? Ask. If something is bothering you? Say so.
Being open and expressive with a Taurus can be your biggest strength (if you can put ego/pride aside) because ultimately it allows you to stay true to yourself whilst offering them respect and opportunities to enter into a conversation -with- you.
- Your Scorp Moon provides you with a keen intuition: you can see through every test, call every bluff, see right into the heart of the Bull if you can put your ego on the shelf and take the time to really look, and really listen.
And what you choose to do with your intuition is often a game changer, for good or ill: you can be offended by Taurus tests and lash out (ie. making him jealous), you can not engage with them (a passive way to call him out), or you could actively call him out by expressing yourself openly.
From what you've said thus far it seems clear that you misunderstood what he'd said and didn't take his intentions seriously, but regardless the jealousy you invoked is on you. And while I relate to being put off by FWB (I would too, even more so if I knew he was bluffing), I think being open and honest is the best course of action if you want to repair this connection.
It'll allow you to own your mistakes and misunderstanding and express what you really want. By being that open you're showing not only your strength of character but providing him a chance to help repair this or not.
Both your choices will be all you need to determine if this is really viable in the end. Really depends on where you're both at with yourselves, and how deep and magnetic the pull to each other is.
Im a taurus woman we are very loyal until u do something that is unworthy of our loyalty and we are pretty direct and blunt when being asked questions...I have I too have a lot of male friends so u have to be very confident if not a sign of weakness(what u displayed) will completely destroy any type of relationship unless he is desperate... in this case we clearly see he's not
Huh... FINALLY, an approach I can relate to. Yep, this is how I would handle it too.
Of course, you are a proud Scorp...hahaha. This one is more dignified, but it may have less chance of success. First one I gave is best chance of success IMO. With this one, you are almost giving an ultimatum and the stubbornness and anger may still be way too strong for him to accept it. With time, openness/better communication, and physical proximity and touch, deep wounds can be healed. The way to the bulls heart is slow and sensual...lol. She can just be like "I want to see you" and make that work. She doesn't have to sign an FWB contract. She can just leverage his statement to that effect, to get in his presence.
Not so much for my own dignity but for that of our relationship. I take games for being just that - games. Relationships I take seriously.
Maybe I will dismiss some games (not hurtful) if we have a well established friendship. I soften up with friends. But some random guy that wants to start a relationship with me? No way. I don't care to lose him. Don't care that much.
Lol on him being born May 14th out of all days... Hahahahahaha
Sorry... Just realized you were talking about aftermath of what to do. I wouldn't have flirted with another man to begin with. So... Can't relate there. I'm social, I talk to everyone... But I won't disrespect.
But this Taurus seems to be all over the place. Why say "let's both do our own thing" and start off the whole thing as a big game. Immature if you ask me. He brought it upon himself to be upset and stubborn...
I thought Taurus like to be in peace... Not drama.
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Yea he clearly ruined that no drama theory when he wanted to knock out another guy for talking to me. He once even lied and told me he went out of town just because he was mad at me and didn't want to see me...he's definitely a petty Taurus. He's always asking about my ex and even wanted to see my phone after I said I wasn't talking to him because he still didn't believe me and snapped at me
Posted by Eris
Can we look at your charts please, jebrooks? I'm curiousNewbie but I think this is what you're looking for?
sun-leo
Ascendant-Gemini
Moon-scorpio
Mercury-Virgo
Venus-Cancer
Mars-Taurus
Jupiter-Cancer
Saturn- Capricorn
Uranus- Capricorn
Neptune- Capricorn
Pluto- Scorpio
Lilith- Scorpio
Asc node-AquariusI hope that's everything
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Thanks!
Holy hell... You have a lot of water and earth going on there
I'd still be straight up with him... Even with all the new information.
However, TLS probably had the approach that will end up working. Lol
My bull is Cancer dominant with an Aries moon. A lot of difference since yours is a double Taurus and has a lot of air going on in his chart.
Posted by scorchedearth
a taurus expects to be the only one. we want to be the center of your universe. we don't like to share. what you did was literally the worst possible thing you could have done. the only thing worse would be blowing some guy in front of him.we are extremely possessive. like lunatic possessive. and if you try to make us jealous we will just cut you off and not think of you as relationship material ever again.
if you had done to me what you did to him i would never speak to you again. and i am someone who always tries to be friends.
This sounds like my bull.
Sounds like my prom date, my dance mate (he was my guitar player), my friend from ... Aaahhh - sounds like LOTS of Taurus guys I know 😆
Mine is a guitar player :p
Sorry! I totally missed this^^^
Lol!! No way!! Does he make you dance for him, make music for you too and act like your body guard too?!?! Hahahaha .... These bulls...
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He tries to make me slow dance WITH him 😐 he hasn't been playing lately, but he has sang to me, but hasn't wrote a song for me lol Yes, he's my bodyguard. He's more of my emotional bodyguard. I'm more of a physical bodyguard (more on this another time) lmao
Ugh this part keeps getting cut off
** Yea he clearly ruined that no drama theory when he wanted to knock out another guy for talking to me. He once even lied and told me he went out of town just because he was mad at me and didn't want to see me...he's definitely a petty Taurus. He's always asking about my ex and even wanted to see my phone after I said I wasn't talking to him because he still didn't believe me and snapped at me and told me to stop talking about my ex and to "get off his f*cking nuts" so yea not very peaceful lol.
Posted by Eris
I'd still be straight up with him... Even with all the new information.However, TLS probably had the approach that will end up working. Lol
My bull is Cancer dominant with an Aries moon. A lot of difference since yours is a double Taurus and has a lot of air going on in his chart.
+1 wow... And his has a lot of land and air in his chart 😐
OP - you can't let go either, can you?
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No I can't :/ even with all these games that we've both have played games I still want to see it through
Posted by Eris
I'd still be straight up with him... Even with all the new information.However, TLS probably had the approach that will end up working. Lol
My bull is Cancer dominant with an Aries moon. A lot of difference since yours is a double Taurus and has a lot of air going on in his chart.
Which approach, the one gradually trying to get back in his good graces by still hanging out or tell him how I really feel then tell him I'm not cool with fwb?
Him having a lot of air going on in his chart what does that mean?
Learning a lot today! Lol
once a Taurus has made his/her mind, that's it. Game over.
Posted by biosynthesis
once a Taurus has made his/her mind, that's it. GameWell he kind of changed his mind months ago. In the beginning, after finding out/me telling him I was talking/dating to multiple guys he said
"I just don't want to lead you on I don't see this going anywhere if we're both dating other people, I was cool with just hanging out I didn't want things to get serious"
This approach will probably work, "the one gradually trying to get back in his good graces by still hanging
out "
Just because I would do it differently, doesn't mean it will work or if
It's how you should do it. Do whatever you feel is right :p
Someone else will have to answer you on the air question... I'm not as knowledgable with air.
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