Pisces vs Virgo

I hear people on this site talk about how pisces and virgos play alot of games. Well, lets just make it more interesting, who plays the most games?

This is such load and ass-achingly dull already Branh. Yeah, we know how you LOVE/HATE us Pisces. We get that. Virgos f*ck with people. I've seen it and been on the receiving end without having initiated anything.

Brandon

Virgo's only play with someone if they are being played first? Bullshit. Virgo's aren't any different from Pisces in that department. And they do play games because of their emotional needs.

Two apples cannot fall too far from their trees.

I know that my daughter is a Pisces and she is full of Drama. She is smart, witty and plays alot of games with people. She wants to be loved by whomever and she will play with people's heads just to get her way and then act totally inicent. I'm her mom, I know better. My other daughter is a Virgo and she doesn't try to play head games like her sister. She is more direct with people and tries not to hurt them. They don't get along very well.

Absolutely agree Sweethearts,

Pisces will definitely play to get attention, then act all innocent. Drama mongers with a capital "D".

Virgo's don't play, normally. Not that I've seen. They get offended easily and will retaliate very quickly, but, not initiate.

Critisize people . . . that . . . they will start without provocation, but, not head games.

As our favourite world president (Mr. Bush) said it once.

Humans and "Fishes" can co-exist peacefully together?..!

Games are games? if it is satisfactory to both side needs..!

🙂

i agree with p-angel... us virgos aren't "playing" anything! we're serious people and we do serious things. we don't want to join in any pisces reindeer games.

People just don't like hearing the truth. They would rather live with blinders on so that their fragile ego's aren't wounded.

Just because the Virgo will look you square in the eye and be frank, doesn't mean it's a head game . . . it means they are direct.

People can't handle that, for the most part. They would yell at the top of their lungs that you are cold, attacking them, playing head games. They set themselves up by engaging another in a verbal dispute . . .

. . . do that with a Virgo and you lose !!!! They just can't handle defeat, is all. So, now you're tagged as a player.

lol

Well P-Angel, a very, good female Virgo friend admitted to me that toyed with this one guy pretty badly. I was surprised to say the least that she behaved this way but Vs can mess up with your head. My mother does it too; she knows how to play me and brothers against one other. It sucks but she's manipulative when she wants something.

Are you sure your mom wasn't just trying to tell you something you didn't WANT to hear?

P-Angel, I think know my mother. She will play on the sympathies, strengths or weaknesses of children when she wants something. My brothers and I agree, it's part of her character, not my imagination.

To clarify, her children.

Catfish, you take offense at everything I said. I'm not accusing you of anything.

I simply asked, are you sure of her intentions?

If I bother you that bad, then, don't answer me.

I can clearly see now why you have such an attitude towards Branh and most of the Virgo's in this community. Your slanted because you are bitter about your Virgo mother and her trying to steer you in directions you feel is manipulation. That's a serious issue you have to deal with.

For a long time, I was wondering where your opinions were coming from because I haven't detected anything any Virgo did to you to make you have such feelings. So, perhaps, my original thought was correct:

Are you sure your mom wasn't just trying to tell you something you don't WANT to hear?

Message posted by: catfish36 on 7/24/2006 2:05:53 PM
P-Angel, I think know my mother. She will play on the sympathies, strengths or weaknesses of children when she wants something. My brothers and I agree, it's part of her character, not my imagination

Playing on children is NOT a Virgo character and I doubt that you will get anyone to jump on your bandwagon. They critisize, no arguements from anyone there - but, hurt a child - not hardly.

Perhaps it's you and your brothers. Perhaps, you and your siblings are incourageable and she simply don't tolerate that behaviour.

P-Angel, the reason why I respond the way I do is because you question me on things I am confident in knowing. You seem to assume that I must be interpreting the situation incorrectly. There are six of us, well behaved, intelligent, educated, capable of understanding one another's behavior. I don't matter whether or not it's a Virgo character, she's a Virgo, she does. I am certain. Case closed. I am very detached and rational when it comes to my mother.

I don't matter whether or not it's a Virgo character, she's a Virgo, she does. Let me rephrase - It doesn't matter whether or not it's a Virgo characteristic; she's a Virgo, she is manipulative. It's not so hard to believe this is a Virgo I am talking about here and not just the musings of a hurt child.

P-Angel, the reason why I respond the way I do is because you question me on things I am confident in knowing. You seem to assume that I must be interpreting the situation incorrectly

My assumption in everything everybody does. It's not for the purpose of doubting anyone's confidence in themselves, rather, wanting EVERY person to be so aware of themselves that they will analyze theirselves, just as closely as others. People tend to take their own feelings as gospel 99% of the time and feelings aren't logical. I realize that feelings aren't supposed to be logical, but, they slant the person's perspective.

Don't take offense, Catfish. I question myself, too, all the frigging time lol

There are many Virgos I love and I can distinguish my reactions amongst them. Branh has nothing to do with how I react towards my mother. And please, spare me the analysis. The question was whether Virgos play games, some agree, some disagree. I can only give MY experience to substantiate the point.

You needn't concern yourself as to what happens between myself and Branh or where my opinions come from. My attitude has to do with Branh alone and no other Virgos. Because I've said, I get along fine with Virgos generally. I count them among my friends, not enemies. And for the last time - there is nothing wrong with my hearing.

If I want analysis I'll go to a professional, not this board.

Catfish, I think about where every person is coming from. You aren't an exception. That's how I find growth within myself. Every person who speaks on here, or in real life, I think about every word.

You are a very defensive person when called upon.

Why is that?

Just curious. Why do you get irritated so easily?

Are you a mother?

Yes, are you?

I don't consider myself defensive, but I do get annoyed when something I say is easily dismissed as a possibility because it doesn't fall well within given parameters. Or, the scope in which some perceive is so narrow it won't accommodate another point of view. I get accused of this but I do try to stay open-minded. I will shut down and tune out if i feel I am beating my head against the wall. Not accusing you P-Angel, but I do get frustrated sometimes. I inquire, want to learn and understand. I am not interesting in provoking unless I am pushed.

"A Virgo will play games with someone they aren't serious about."

unfortunately, i agree.

As I Pisces I will admit we like to mess with people more the play games. Pisces do enjoy watching their enemies and combatants squirm. We are less likely to hold a grudge if we get our due when someone has wronged us.

Message posted by: catfish36 on 7/24/2006 5:41:22 PM
I don't consider myself defensive, but I do get annoyed when something I say is easily dismissed as a possibility because it doesn't fall well within given parameters. Or, the scope in which some perceive is so narrow it won't accommodate another point of view. I get accused of this but I do try to stay open-minded. I will shut down and tune out if i feel I am beating my head against the wall. Not accusing you P-Angel, but I do get frustrated sometimes. I inquire, want to learn and understand. I am not interesting in provoking unless I am pushed.

"I get accused of this" Do you mean . . . in the real world? Why is that?


I have questions that aren't retoracle and really want you to answer with honesty, for I'm trying to figure this out. This concept has gone straight over my head which demands that everything must have a meaning.

You said, "I inquire, want to learn and understand. I am not interesting in provoking unless I am pushed."

What is wrong with provoking thought?
Why would you not want to participate in this unless pushed?

You know, tone and facial expressions speak louder than words.

Are you absolutely sure that I am "attacking" people, as I've heard mentioned in this community?
Is it possible that if my tone of voice could be heard, you would comprehend that I'm more inquisitive than mocking?
Is it possible that people are so tramatized about having a place to belong that they would allow that insecurity to influence their conscious awareness?

Think about this, which I do all the time - in fact, it's the main reason why I come here all the time - there is a real world out there. Why are we here?

I'm not referring to the occasional people to poke in here once in a while, rather, the ones who are here all day, every day. Why is that? In the REAL world, I have many peeps to whom I have continueous contact and I can't help but wonder why everyone else doesn't. When I read every word that someone writes - EVERY WORD - I also look at the time.

Sometimes, I will go into a single person's posting log just to see how much time is spent on here vs. the real world and furthermore, if the majority of their time is spent on here, those are the people I watch closely. Why, because I'm trying to figure out why they are hiding? From what? Themselves?

Is that stalking? Perhaps it is, perhaps it's not - maybe somebody is just watching you out o

of curiousity. Maybe they are a person watcher. So, is that a stalker, or, just the person being paranoid because they spend too much time in this fantasy world and can no longer decipher between real human behaviour and peeps in here who will defend, take sides because they feel the need to have a sense of belonging.

Have you ever thought that perhaps, I intentionally put people in defense mode, just to see how they handle themselves in given situations? Or, maybe, I don't. How do you know?

Do you really know yourself? Or, are you on here all the time because you feel that your mother tries to manipulate your life and your searching for acceptance?

How do you respond to people who would ask these questions of you? By saying, if I wanted a therapist, I'd go to a professional?

Do we always know what we NEED? Or only what we WANT?

How do you know who's a professional in which trade?


My reasoning here in all these questions is simple. How do you know who I really am, if you never stop to find out because you're too busy focusing on yourself?

That constitutes ALL my posts here on every single thread. I say daily, know yourself, know who you are all the way down to your core. I tell people that have to get over theirselves, to see another standing in front of them. Are their problems REALLY cause by themselves, they whipped themselves because they couldn't see beyong their own feelings to even notice anything else?

Catfish, the only two questions I really wanted you to try and answer were these two:

What is wrong with provoking thought?
Why would you not want to participate in this unless pushed?

Catfish, "I am very detached and rational when it comes to my mother."

Most people I know are ATTached to their mothers, not, DEtached.

Why is that you are not?

Back to the original question. The answer is obvious, that is to say, obvious to everyone except Pisces.

We (Pisces) are emotionally driven and responsive, we therefore, play more head games because we cannot internalize rationally as well as we can emotionally. Virgo's are much more controlled in processing their thoughts logically. If living on an emotional whirlwind, as we do, we would seek to put others on this coaster with us, so we can relate at our level. Virgo's are structured, so they would seek to have balance in their communication; and because they won't engage in the emotional whirlwind that the Pisces need to have fulfillment, the fish would attempt to bring them to their level by conjuring plots of deception.

To sum that up, instead of babble, as it came out:

Pisces are the players because they don't know, that they don't know.

Virgo's are not because they know, that they know.

I dated a pisces once and I noticed everything he told me he did not do he actually did do. His favorite line always ended with because I am Mr. Martin. I would just sigh. One example is he went out of town never called while he was away and then popped up on my doorstep asking why I did not call. I kept getting dressed to go otu as he followed me thru the house repeating so you got a date. I got dresses and preceded to leave my house. He said I am Mr Martin I am not worried. Then he told me later he and a friend had to drive past the place I was at and there was noone there. He was jeawlous and spying. He said he did not see my car. I told him I know I had gone to a house party.
I dumped him and he popped up 6 months later out of the blue.

I hope all pisces are not insecure, puffed up idiots.

P-Angel,
What is wrong with provoking thought?
1. Nothing wrong with being provocative; for me,this is not the prefered medium for on-going discussion. Face to face is more my speed.

Why would you not want to participate in this unless pushed?
2. Again, same reason. I am more of a fringe person. Would much rather listen and get a layout of what's going on, then participate.

3. Detached with Mother.
That story is too complex and personal for this board. Emotional distance is best.

I see . . . thanks Cat.

I have to ask, for it's a need to have answers. Thanks for understanding this and not getting your ruffle up. In the future, I may question you again on something, but, it's not because I doubt what YOU say personally - I question everything . . .

Peace

You're welcome.

i am a virgo male haha and i dominate every pisces i kno, i see them as weak emotional creatures i am born in the yr of the rabbit but my element is fire, i can get boiled and im very qucik witted haha games are fun to me and ill play them at my best but maybe another factor is my personal dominating aura i possess, i am a ring leader among my friends and picses never get the chance 2 forfill my role haha i usually pik on them and my friends will join me and curse the victom of my choice, pisces dont compare in anyway they may play games but i play harder >=) haha my side kick leo and scorpio friend are always on my side from the go haha but the leo can be some what cheeki and take sides but the scropio is my favourable companion >=)

Well, I don't play games. I think alot of people find virgo's difficult to understand, but what you need to understand is that most virgo's are being true to themselves, and are not playing games. I don't say or do something just to spite someone, I say / do it because I mean it with every fibre of my being.

I am honest and upfront, and if you can't handle it then it's your own damn problem. One day you'll grow up enough to appreciate such a trait. I don't lower the level that i'm on to mess around with someone else...That's pathetic and time wasting in my view. I prefer mature discussions where people can openly challenge eachother's thinking and perspectives can be broadened, but not activities that are all about trying to gain power over someone else, manipulation, deception etc. Start that shit with me, and i'm outta there the minute I suspect such foul play!