SCORPIO AND STINGERS

WHY MUST PEOPLE TRY AND COMPETE WITH ALL SCORPIOS QUALITIES , VIRGO IS KNOWN FOR BEING A CRITIC, STAY THAT WAY.

I don't have a sting, but I can have a stink... (just feed me a couple sliders from White Castle)


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I don't know what's worse... a scorpio's sting, or my stink after White Castle? I don't think there's any basis for comparison.

"WHY MUST PEOPLE TRY AND COMPETE WITH ALL SCORPIOS QUALITIES"

in what way are people trying to compete for ALL your qualities? and yes, virgos are critics...your point?

okay what!!!!! , all i'm saying is there is no comparison , scorpios is the most special sign , i wish crtics, haters , whatever you want to call it, would stop competing in a race that your in all alone. i wish that one day we can join hands and not be judged by the power of sign but by the content of our character. stop hating us, just congratulate us...

"...there is no comparison, scorpios is the most special sign...join hands and not be judged by the power of sign but by the content of our character. stop hating us, just congratulate us..."

uhhh...no comparison and the most special sign? and you say you don't want people to judge each other by their sign (or judge you by your sign), yet you are doing the judging...you're contradicting yourself here (and you want to be congratulated for that?)

i don't think people are trying to hate you or any scorpio for that matter, they just don't like certain qualities of the scorpio. every sign has their pros and cons, so there's bound to be a bad egg in every bunch.

I think we both have our qualities. Maybe if they were combined the influence would be huge, expansive and life changing for all affected by it. We have to think about the "Big Picture." Yeah you all are good at identifying all the little details of things, and at very keenly summing them all up, but for what reason, for what purpose and for what outcome, other than to say, you can do it. Much of this is surface, what about the deepness of things, this is where scorpio comes in. From what I have observed on these boards about virgo is that some of you totally miss or don't see how positive a scorpio can be as friends or lovers. Two key elements that are the glue that would bind you and it's scorpio's passion, protectiveness and loyalty. I'm not saying that scorpio has to be the "Cure" for everything, there are many wonderful signs out there, but you must understand scoprio before you right us off. Once we lose interest or respect, we are out of your life completely and forever.

The scorp I was with was passionate, protective, but certainly not loyal.

I mean three key elements that go overlooked. Of the subject of being loyal. Generally speaking, If a scorpio understands the terms of the relationship, (that is that they have been clearly laid out and discussed)and if they love, trust, and respect their partner they won't cheat. Even if the sex is not so hot, if they have the other elements going they remain loyal. Scorpio's love to be nurtured and protected too. They need to feel that their lover always has their best interest at heart, (i.e., their health and wellbeing). Moreover, they need to feel that their vulnerability won't be played with. If they find a partner that understands this they mate for life and will go to hell and back for you.

From experience the only way a scorpion can use ITS so callled "deadly stinger" is through the so called "vigoan criticism" without it the scorpion is defenseless with its stinger. Thus the signs are highly interdependent and no sign that is powerful than the other because they each have some qualities that the others are bound to lose against. Therefore fly should save all that pointless screeches for another board because nobody can surpass:
Arian fury
Taurean rage
Geminian wits
Cancerian storms
Leonine splendor
Virgoan criticism
Libran charm
Scorpion vengeance
Sagittarian blunt
Capricorn ruthlessness
Aquarian intuition
Piscean compassion
Thus we all have our strenghts and no one is trying to be like the other. We also have many commons and thus its all good.

By the way scorps are cool and so are all the other signs. I love all the signs.

Hey virgopmoon,

I like White Castle too 😛

Arian fury
Taurean rage
Geminian wits
Cancerian storms
Leonine splendor
Virgoan criticism
Libran charm
Scorpion vengeance
Sagittarian blunt
Capricorn ruthlessness
Aquarian intuition
Piscean compassion

one word...impressive 🙂

The big picture is; acknowlege, and judege only yourself; I found things about the 'stereotypical' zodiac to not fit me at all when talking about virgo; so I think we need to 'break down barriers' and look for what really exists in each sign; the zodiac has been found to actually be 'falible' ya know? I think some people are afraid to question themselves, and go into the deepest part of themselves to see what REALLY EXISTS....Ok, on the surface your a Scorp, and say it, but what are you when all that scorp is stripped away? When left vulnerable, do you have the power to attain it again, AND NOT MERELY THROUGH IDLE SIGN PLACEMENT? THAT IS THE SIGN YOU ARE; WHAT'S LEFT AFTER ALL IS MELTED AWAY, AND ALL THAT REMAINS IS THE SOUL....I think there is more to Virgo, than what she's willing to let out....

I found out that Virgos have an amazing strength that she happens to stangely over look; the power to go soooo deep into the self, question so deeply, and penetratingly and emerge ever wiser, and stronger; that criticalness allows so much progress to be made internally that she can get over idle fears, and pains and transform herself, and become stronger; if you do not fear who you are, or what you may find on the inside, you will see a whole new person open up....you will change for the better; but to do this, you must be willing to 'step/think outside of the box' and remain skeptical....all is not what it appears....you may find that 'inner light'....

"i wish that one day we can join hands and not be judged by the power of sign but by the content of our character. stop hating us, just congratulate us..."


A bias, even if it is in your favor, is still a bias. It could be said that you are biased against all the other signs.

We can't all hold hands and light a campfire and sing kum-by-a when you're still talking about how much better your sign is.

no disagree, people really try and be like others , especially if they don't know their trait. and scorpios are not into vegenance.

"...people really try and be like others , especially if they don't know their trait."

i somewhat disagree with this. some do copy others because they don't know who they are. but there are others who want to improve themselves and try to change for the better, and therefore, they do know their traits and the areas that they lack in. this is called building character, growth. the way you put it makes it sound like people are incapable of evolving into something more. and i'm not trying to say that any sign is aspiring to be another sign. we all have a little of each sign in us, just certain traits outshine some of our other characteristics. if someone has a strong pluto in their chart, or has many pluto aspects, they will come off as a scorpio, sometimes more so than their sun sign (whether it be scorpio or not). as i said elsewhere, not all virgos are the same, and not all (insert whatever sign you want) are the same, etc. as you can see, VE is a prime example of an untypical virgo, he identifies more with his leo moon but he still carries certain traits of a virgo (and he definitely knows his traits).

"and scorpios are not into vegenance."

some are, they are called the serpetines. the grey lizards are like the fence sitters, and the eagles definitely aren't, they see vengeance as very lowly and debase. are you sure you know your sign? don't get me wrong, the fact that you're not of the vengeful variety is evident of a scorpio in it's most majestic form, but sometimes you strike me as something other than a scorpio. but hey, like i said, we all have a liitle of each in us (we're human afterall).

"some are, they are called the serpetines. the grey lizards are like the fence sitters, and the eagles definitely aren't, they see vengeance as very lowly and debase."

Where did that come from? Why are Scorpios divided like that?

"or one can create an imaginary animal with serpent head, eagle belly, a lizard tail and on rear end of tail a sting....."

...Perhaps half-man/half-scorpion..?😛


Seriously though, there seems to be a certain dichotomy concerning the moral values of Scorpios, and I'd like to know the reason for this dichotomy.

"but yes scorps are two types...
silent and strong
verbose and strong..."

It seems that people tend to type Scorpios in two(/three) main categories, based on their moral values.(or lack of them😛)

^A typical Scorp.

"Where did that come from? Why are Scorpios divided like that?"

the story behind the scorpio sign is depicted and illustrated by these three animals. it represents a scorpio's evolution into a higher being, or de-evolution. hence, your motto, "i transform," for better or for worse. that's why your sign is so often "misunderstood" if you will. so what variety are you Yama? and yes, passion runs deep in all three forms, but perhaps much less in the grey lizard. the serpent is bent on revenge, but the eagle supasses. there is a very interesting story behind your sign (as well as all the other signs), you should read into it.

"or one can create an imaginary animal with serpent head, eagle belly, a lizard tail and on rear end of tail a sting....."

lol, this is refreshing, i like you sense of humor.

"the story behind the scorpio sign is depicted and illustrated by these three animals. it represents a scorpio's evolution into a higher being, or de-evolution."

Yeah, but why divide us into different categories based on morals? I really don't see how morals and evolution are connected.(or is it strictly revenge=Scorpio/no-revenge=eagle?)

"so what variety are you Yama?"

None of those, I think. My behavior depends on the situation.

"Yeah, but why divide us into different categories based on morals? I really don't see how morals and evolution are connected.(or is it strictly revenge=Scorpio/no-revenge=eagle?)"

i didn't say they were based on morals, it's more than that, i think this encompasses your entire character. the reason for these depictions is because you scorpios have the most endurance out of all the signs to come out a crisis, transformed into something better or worse. some grow from adversity and some get jaded, everyone is like this but more so with your sign. hence, you are also associated with a phoenix rising out their ashes.

"None of those, I think. My behavior depends on the situation."

of course everyone's behavior depends on the situation, but you should see a common theme to each predicament. say someone is publicly humiliating you, would you plan to retaliate to the nth degree, or would you walk away, or would you learn from this experiment and decide to be an adult and not treat another as such? crummy example, but it was the first one that came to mind (probably cause i saw this happen at the grocery the other day, i felt so bad for the person being humiliated.)

"i didn't say they were based on morals"

Well, I've noticed most people make that distinction based on morals, and it seemed to me that you did too, since revenge is usually considered "bad".
Anyway, if that distinction isn't based on morals, then what is it based on? What makes a person "evolved"?

"say someone is publicly humiliating you, would you plan to retaliate to the nth degree, or would you walk away, or would you learn from this experiment and decide to be an adult and not treat another as such?"

Like I said-it depends on the specific situation-is revenge practical? If so, than it would probably be beneficial to exact it-it's sensible-if you exact revenge on a person, people will try to avoid causing you problems.(this is , of course, a generalization, and there are many times when exacting revenge causes the opposite effect)

Ok scorpion vengeance does not necessarily mean they are into it it a trait that they usually show when they are angry. And if people have a clear understanding of their sign they dont need to be told who they are.

"Well, I've noticed most people make that distinction based on morals, and it seemed to me that you did too, since revenge is usually considered "bad"."

i'm not most people, and this isn't to sound arrogant or anything. i just don't like to make assumptions (though i do sometimes, i admit this, and correct me if i'm wrong), i like to know what i'm talking about, or what i find makes most sense to me in which i can support my claims. and not all revenge is bad. one sort of revenge is to become better than you are now. take the humiliating example again. you said that exacting revenge will cause people to avoid causing you trouble again. but you haven't earned their respect, you've only just showed them that you can also play their game. by becoming a bigger person, which is to not reduce yourself to their level, shows them, and more importantly, yourself, that you are in an entirely different league. not only did you prevent yourself from ever being humilated again (because you don't ever give them the chance to do the same thing twice to you), but you have also proven to yourself (and hopefully your opponent) that you are above their level, and this is what makes a person evolved. and scorpios are said to have the most potential in this arena. take ghandi for instance (if he's not a scorpio, then he sure has a really strong scorpio influence or stellium...i read somewhere he had scorpio rising). he was passive aggressive in his fight for what he believed in, he didn't physically lash out, and so he is remembered in such acclaim today. and about morals, everyone has their own sets. many will probably equate the distinctions on morals, but as i said, this is more than just morals. sure it may drive people to believe in certain things, but the strength of your character also adds a richness to this.

and as you stated, "...there are many times when exacting revenge causes the opposite effect," so what use does revenge have here? none, like you suggested. you've only lowered your character to relieve yourself of a thorn in your side. and other times when vengeance does have an outcome to your liking (such as avoiding trouble), you've only instilled fear in the other party, not respect. from what i've read on the scorpio sign, you guys admire respect, not fear. and i've witnessed this in many scorpios that i've run into. they don't particularly outright say so, but they do insinuate it.

perhaps i should have stated that the "eagle form" has an ascended view on revenge. my mistake for any confusion.

"or is it strictly revenge=Scorpio/no-revenge=eagle?"

by no means am i saying that, "you, a scorpio, only knows revenge. when you no longer thirst this, you are an eagle and thus can no longer be called a scorpio." no no, not at all, lol. as i stated, these animals are just depictions of your sign's (or soul's) evolution, if you will.

Infact scorpion vengeance is often misunderstood for downright cruelty. The word can also be reciprocation. They have a way of returning every slight as well as every favour.

Geminian charm is also frowned upon. It could do tricks but it could also persuade and instruct.

Taurean stubborness is misunderstood for stick in the mud nature. However some decisions require sturdiness plus so much thought is put into it already that they are bound to be stubborn.

Arian dynamism is often seen as rude, rash and agressive but it could also be a means of getting things moving.

Cancerian tenacity is often totally misunderstood. It helps to keep and value what one already has.

Capricorn ambition is viewed as a means of ruthlessly belittling all else in a snobbish attempt to feel better, however its a power drive for all to reach their goals.

Virgoan criticism is often seen as a means of cruel retaliation however it is to to make things more better and turn out the way they should.

Leonine pride is mistaken for outright tyranny and a huge inferiority complex however it can also be a way of having control and getting through.

Aquarian impulsiveness is often seen as a meaningless attempt to be different however think of all the new opportunities and ideas it opens up to a difficult situation.

Sagittarian bluntness is infamous for its foot in the mouth nature but it also helps bring about positive reverance to feel free to express.

Piscean elusiveness is known to be annoying but it also handy in finding out the when its best to stay and when its best to leave in order to avoid further injury.

Libran indisiciveness is misunderstood as a character flaw however when better is a chance to look at things from a different perspective, handy in preventing future conflicts.

You see we all may have virtues in our vices.

"by becoming a bigger person, which is to not reduce yourself to their level, shows them, and more importantly, yourself, that you are in an entirely different league. not only did you prevent yourself from ever being humilated again"

A lot of times it's more than humiliation, sure maybe it's a humiliation today, tomorrow it'll be a punch, and the day after that it'll be a stab.
What you consider a show of strength-a lot of people consider a show of weakness, a weakness they will exploit.

"but you have also proven to yourself (and hopefully your opponent) that you are above their level, and this is what makes a person evolved."

If it doesn't have anything to do with morals, than I really don't understand this-the only permanent merit I can see in this course of action is a moral one, to some people at least.

"he was passive aggressive in his fight for what he believed in, he didn't physically lash out, and so he is remembered in such acclaim today."

As I said-the chosen course of action depends on the situation at hand, at times it is best not to exact revenge, but those cases aren't that common.

"and other times when vengeance does have an outcome to your liking (such as avoiding trouble), you've only instilled fear in the other party, not respect. from what i've read on the scorpio sign, you guys admire respect, not fear."

Fear is a form of respect, as people respect your ability to cause them harm.

"What you consider a show of strength-a lot of people consider a show of weakness, a weakness they will exploit."

true, yet this is also why i think many are not "evolved enough" to understand this concept. as you put it, it can only be exploited if it is indeed a weakness. but if it truly wasn't, it can't be exploited no matter what, the other person will fail every time they try to exploit you of your supposed weakness. and if it does come off as a weakness on your part at first, eventually the truth will come out, because your strength of character will prevail. do you not agree? scorpios are equipped with an unusual amount of endurance, and no matter how many obstacles they've been through, no matter how weathered and beaten down they become, they are still the last ones standing (or anyone for that matter).

"A lot of times it's more than humiliation, sure maybe it's a humiliation today, tomorrow it'll be a punch, and the day after that it'll be a stab."

as i mentioned already, try as they might, but they will only fail if you are indeed of a stronger nature. and if they forever continue this course of action, then the only thing i have left to say is that the attacker is not too bright, he would have to change his style if he wants to win, and that would mean to become something better and stronger than you.

"Fear is a form of respect, as people respect your ability to cause them harm."

i disagree with you here. i feel that respect and admiration can be intertwined, not fear and respect. having respect for someone means you look up to that person, you admire them and aspire to be like them. fear means that you are afraid of them, you don't look up to them nor do you aspire to be like them in any way. using your sentence above as an example, why would you want to be like someone who is great at causing you harm? even if it isn't physical harm, why would you want to be like someone who is good at ridiculing and degrading you?

now of course, you can also respect someone and hate them, these two verbs are not synonymous. you can hate a person, yet still respect them for a certain trait. what i mean is, have you ever hated someone, but you can still say at least one good thing about them? "i hate him for being such a jerk, but i respect him for his honesty." so you're going to work on being more honest, but in a more tactful way. don't get me wrong, i'm not trying to say that the one good thing you say about your nemesis means that you respect that part of them, like "i hate him but at least he's nice to his family and friends," anyone can be like this, we're nice to those we care for. i'm just trying to explain my view on how i can have respect for someone (as in one of their redeeming traits) yet still despise their other shortcomings.

""...but you have also proven to yourself (and hopefully your opponent) that you are above their level, and this is what makes a person evolved."

If it doesn't have anything to do with morals, than I really don't understand this-the only permanent merit I can see in this course of action is a moral one, to some people at least."

sure, this sentence of mine has to do with morals, if this is what helps you understand what i'm trying to say. but morals are also part of your entire make-up, your character. as i've mentioned before, the story behind your sign has more to it than just depicting the scorpion nature on just morals as you questioned about it earlier.

"As I said-the chosen course of action depends on the situation at hand.."

you're right, course of action does depend on the situation. but the theme to your character is mostly likely to be consistent, which is how you come to describe someone based on their actions.

and i forgot to add in regards to this sentence of your's, "Fear is a form of respect, as people respect your ability to cause them harm," (and that verbose explanation of mine concerning this sentence as well,) i think many respect the scorpio's inner strength and ability to survive the ugliest of situations, but fear your ability exact revenge with twice the poison (which is ever so popularly associated with your sign...ehh, pop astrology). i apologize if i seem scattered, just trying to keep with the big picture and not get lost in the details (which i probably failed miserably, lol).

"you're right, course of action does depend on the situation. but the theme to your character is mostly likely to be consistent, which is how you come to describe someone based on their actions."

Well, you're an earth sign, so it makes sense you'd think that, I think generally water signs are more affected by situations than earth signs.

"as i mentioned already, try as they might, but they will only fail if you are indeed of a stronger nature."

Nobody is invulnerable, even leaders of nations get killed.

"fear means that you are afraid of them, you don't look up to them nor do you aspire to be like them in any way. using your sentence above as an example, why would you want to be like someone who is great at causing you harm?"

Well, if I'm afraid of them it probably means that they are stronger than me, and strength is a quality I admire.

Anyway, what is it exactly that makes a Scorpio-or anyone else for that matter-"evolved"? Self-control? Consideration for others? Understanding of one's own nature?

"Well, if I'm afraid of them it probably means that they are stronger than me, and strength is a quality I admire."

it looks like we'll just have to agree to disagree here 🙂.

"Nobody is invulnerable, even leaders of nations get killed."

you made a great point here, but they died/got killed for what they believed in, and i think scorpios (and others too) would do the same if they perceieved something as very important to them.

"Anyway, what is it exactly that makes a Scorpio-or anyone else for that matter-"evolved"? Self-control? Consideration for others? Understanding of one's own nature?"

all of these things i suppose. i wish i had all the answers but i'm only human, lol. just in regards to scorpios here, you guys have the most endurance of all the signs, so when you emerge from the inferno, you will no doubt have transformed into something new, and can also transform your environment including those around you. but it can be for better or for worse as i stated before, some become people whom others look up to (pope john paul II, mother teresa, ghandi, etc), and others become jaded. as a scorpio, you'll always sting...here's a story i heard from someone...

a scorpio was on a river bank and need to get across the river. a swan comes by and the scorpio asks the swan, "can you give me a ride on your back across the river for i do not know how to swim." the swan agrees to give the scorpio a ride on it's back. when they reached the other side of the river, the scorpio stung the swan. "why did you sting me when i helped you?" asked the swan. "i can't help it, it's in my nature," replied the scorpio.

highly condensed but i'm sure you get the picture. so you'll always sting, but your sting doesn't have to hurt. and you stated earlier, everyone considers revenge "bad." but it's not always bad. the best revenge is to transform yourself into something more, and here is where "Self-control, Consideration for others, and Understanding of one's own nature" comes in to play. scorpios have the ability to look above and beyond the obvious, consider the consequences of their actions (or reactions) and can predict the most likely outcome with their strong intuition. in their selfish state (serpent), they'll have no regards for anyone, not even themselves, they'll even go down with the ship (with everyone on it) if they can even the score with their foe.

but an eagle would sacrifice himself for those around him, for his beliefs (think jesus christ if you want) for the greater good. here, you may not have outlived your foe, but those around you have become a little stronger, a little more confident, and a better individual. and when these individuals join hands, there's your army, fighting on in your stead, so you live on in them. that's my view of an evolved scorpio, one who has the ability to transform millions and pass on their legacy, for the greater good. and so the stinger becomes a healing lance.

Whatever scorpios are they are confident enough of being proud of themselves.