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Posted by Endless
the idea of outlawing guns is ridiculous on its own, only your political opposite would be so derailed to think that would work, how would they get the guns back? the people with their arsenal aint giving it willfully.
conceptually speaking.
if for any reason, most of your country want you dead, and somehow the military get involve, and accept killing you, your best chance is to leave, the odds of surviving a civil war is already low, let alone an ethnic purge, the amount of gun you bough will not change that, worldly experience & historical understanding.


Posted by Sarapis
The US will never get rid of guns. Wont happen. We cant get rid of meth which literally depends on 1 ingredient found in Sudafed.. everyone knows this.. it's still available even though that particular ingredient isnt needed nor is it in similar medication.
Guns in the US are the low hanging fruit. The roots to our problem, and we do have a problem, aren't the guns, it's the people. We're one of the most populated countries in the world, the most diverse, most advanced, most wealthy while a large amount individuals become less wealthy. Our constant advancement in technology has left a lot of people on shakey ground wether its socially or career, we're heavily reliant on tech today, and it's all happened over the last 10 years. We have a huge gap to jump. All the while as a whole we've became lazier and ready to place blame for our problems on external sources. A huge reason why drug use has been on the rise, it's a form of escapism. Suicides have gone through the roof.
There have been so many HUGE changes in the past 10-15 years that a large portion of the population is having a hard time finding where they fit in. And, when it isnt apparent or they cant find it, they either get mad/hateful or check out of it all.

Posted by 777Posted by Endless
the idea of outlawing guns is ridiculous on its own, only your political opposite would be so derailed to think that would work, how would they get the guns back? the people with their arsenal aint giving it willfully.
conceptually speaking.
if for any reason, most of your country want you dead, and somehow the military get involve, and accept killing you, your best chance is to leave, the odds of surviving a civil war is already low, let alone an ethnic purge, the amount of gun you bough will not change that, worldly experience & historical understanding.
There is limited space to run & hide. The world is one big conglomerate & everyone is invested. Although the odds seembleak, not all of us just want to lay on our backs & live on our knees.click to expand

Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by Endless
the idea of outlawing guns is ridiculous on its own, only your political opposite would be so derailed to think that would work, how would they get the guns back? the people with their arsenal aint giving it willfully.
conceptually speaking.
if for any reason, most of your country want you dead, and somehow the military get involve, and accept killing you, your best chance is to leave, the odds of surviving a civil war is already low, let alone an ethnic purge, the amount of gun you bough will not change that, worldly experience & historical understanding.
There is limited space to run & hide. The world is one big conglomerate & everyone is invested. Although the odds seembleak, not all of us just want to lay on our backs & live on our knees.
you call it run&hide others will call it moving forward.
our world is big and strong, it will carry on without us, our specie has reached the point where it can extinguish itself with a single order of a nuclear superpower, if that happens, the world will be there, but not us, we need to evolved, greed is useless, war is useless.
the age of heroism is gone, when the guys sitting in a chair up in the sky can demolish cities in minutes, what's there for guns?
is a fantasy, and is one that creates more trouble than what it solves, in america those big guns end up killing civilians in mass shootings, so why selling then indiscriminately to civilians? they wont defend shit, the majority don't have the discipline to carry them, neither the stomach to shoot someone, but those guns will manage to get to the wrongs hands.
I would rather change US gun culture, this problem doesn't seem to happen in switzerland, but ofc the swiss are disciplined with their guns.click to expand

Posted by SarapisPosted by 777Posted by Sarapis
The US will never get rid of guns. Wont happen. We cant get rid of meth which literally depends on 1 ingredient found in Sudafed.. everyone knows this.. it's still available even though that particular ingredient isnt needed nor is it in similar medication.
Guns in the US are the low hanging fruit. The roots to our problem, and we do have a problem, aren't the guns, it's the people. We're one of the most populated countries in the world, the most diverse, most advanced, most wealthy while a large amount individuals become less wealthy. Our constant advancement in technology has left a lot of people on shakey ground wether its socially or career, we're heavily reliant on tech today, and it's all happened over the last 10 years. We have a huge gap to jump. All the while as a whole we've became lazier and ready to place blame for our problems on external sources. A huge reason why drug use has been on the rise, it's a form of escapism. Suicides have gone through the roof.
There have been so many HUGE changes in the past 10-15 years that a large portion of the population is having a hard time finding where they fit in. And, when it isnt apparent or they cant find it, they either get mad/hateful or check out of it all.
Everytime a move is made on the grand chess board someone will be picking up the collateral damage.
The only option nornal people have is to fight & adapt
True, the only constant in life is change. There's always going to be people left behind during the changes. It's just the last 10-15 years has seen MAJOR changes in commerce, social interactions, our everyday lives in general. Most of what got Trump elected was the people in fly-over states who feel left behind and wanted to MAGA. The people who wanted to take that chess move back to its previous spot.
I'm less worried about guns than I am the pissing match that has really went crazy in politics. We're just electing to most extreme opposites of whatever we dont completely agree with. The pendulum is swing so hard right and back left right now that something is gonna happen.click to expand

Posted by 777Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by Endless
the idea of outlawing guns is ridiculous on its own, only your political opposite would be so derailed to think that would work, how would they get the guns back? the people with their arsenal aint giving it willfully.
conceptually speaking.
if for any reason, most of your country want you dead, and somehow the military get involve, and accept killing you, your best chance is to leave, the odds of surviving a civil war is already low, let alone an ethnic purge, the amount of gun you bough will not change that, worldly experience & historical understanding.
There is limited space to run & hide. The world is one big conglomerate & everyone is invested. Although the odds seembleak, not all of us just want to lay on our backs & live on our knees.
you call it run&hide others will call it moving forward.
our world is big and strong, it will carry on without us, our specie has reached the point where it can extinguish itself with a single order of a nuclear superpower, if that happens, the world will be there, but not us, we need to evolved, greed is useless, war is useless.
the age of heroism is gone, when the guys sitting in a chair up in the sky can demolish cities in minutes, what's there for guns?
is a fantasy, and is one that creates more trouble than what it solves, in america those big guns end up killing civilians in mass shootings, so why selling then indiscriminately to civilians? they wont defend shit, the majority don't have the discipline to carry them, neither the stomach to shoot someone, but those guns will manage to get to the wrongs hands.
I would rather change US gun culture, this problem doesn't seem to happen in switzerland, but ofc the swiss are disciplined with their guns.
Ur ideas are incoherent & scattered all over the place. Theres only two sides of a coin, apparently you've chosen tailsclick to expand


Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by Endless
the idea of outlawing guns is ridiculous on its own, only your political opposite would be so derailed to think that would work, how would they get the guns back? the people with their arsenal aint giving it willfully.
conceptually speaking.
if for any reason, most of your country want you dead, and somehow the military get involve, and accept killing you, your best chance is to leave, the odds of surviving a civil war is already low, let alone an ethnic purge, the amount of gun you bough will not change that, worldly experience & historical understanding.
There is limited space to run & hide. The world is one big conglomerate & everyone is invested. Although the odds seembleak, not all of us just want to lay on our backs & live on our knees.
you call it run&hide others will call it moving forward.
our world is big and strong, it will carry on without us, our specie has reached the point where it can extinguish itself with a single order of a nuclear superpower, if that happens, the world will be there, but not us, we need to evolved, greed is useless, war is useless.
the age of heroism is gone, when the guys sitting in a chair up in the sky can demolish cities in minutes, what's there for guns?
is a fantasy, and is one that creates more trouble than what it solves, in america those big guns end up killing civilians in mass shootings, so why selling then indiscriminately to civilians? they wont defend shit, the majority don't have the discipline to carry them, neither the stomach to shoot someone, but those guns will manage to get to the wrongs hands.
I would rather change US gun culture, this problem doesn't seem to happen in switzerland, but ofc the swiss are disciplined with their guns.
Ur ideas are incoherent & scattered all over the place. Theres only two sides of a coin, apparently you've chosen tails
life is more than black and white, such extremist position will grant you nothing.
but I'm not american, there's no side for me to choose, and yet I have seen enough consequences of the decisions taken in the US and their reverberation around the globe, but I don't get to choose, just like no one else could choose during the cold war, is always the same with you. just war.
and my ideas are as incoherent as your excuses for this subject.click to expand

Posted by 777Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by Endless
the idea of outlawing guns is ridiculous on its own, only your political opposite would be so derailed to think that would work, how would they get the guns back? the people with their arsenal aint giving it willfully.
conceptually speaking.
if for any reason, most of your country want you dead, and somehow the military get involve, and accept killing you, your best chance is to leave, the odds of surviving a civil war is already low, let alone an ethnic purge, the amount of gun you bough will not change that, worldly experience & historical understanding.
There is limited space to run & hide. The world is one big conglomerate & everyone is invested. Although the odds seembleak, not all of us just want to lay on our backs & live on our knees.
you call it run&hide others will call it moving forward.
our world is big and strong, it will carry on without us, our specie has reached the point where it can extinguish itself with a single order of a nuclear superpower, if that happens, the world will be there, but not us, we need to evolved, greed is useless, war is useless.
the age of heroism is gone, when the guys sitting in a chair up in the sky can demolish cities in minutes, what's there for guns?
is a fantasy, and is one that creates more trouble than what it solves, in america those big guns end up killing civilians in mass shootings, so why selling then indiscriminately to civilians? they wont defend shit, the majority don't have the discipline to carry them, neither the stomach to shoot someone, but those guns will manage to get to the wrongs hands.
I would rather change US gun culture, this problem doesn't seem to happen in switzerland, but ofc the swiss are disciplined with their guns.
Ur ideas are incoherent & scattered all over the place. Theres only two sides of a coin, apparently you've chosen tails
life is more than black and white, such extremist position will grant you nothing.
but I'm not american, there's no side for me to choose, and yet I have seen enough consequences of the decisions taken in the US and their reverberation around the globe, but I don't get to choose, just like no one else could choose during the cold war, is always the same with you. just war.
and my ideas are as incoherent as your excuses for this subject.
I dont see anything extreme about what I'm saying.
And what position am I taking exactly?
We're not on the same side, so I would expect the enemy to question & undermine the resolve of the few.click to expand

Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by EndlessPosted by 777Posted by Endless
the idea of outlawing guns is ridiculous on its own, only your political opposite would be so derailed to think that would work, how would they get the guns back? the people with their arsenal aint giving it willfully.
conceptually speaking.
if for any reason, most of your country want you dead, and somehow the military get involve, and accept killing you, your best chance is to leave, the odds of surviving a civil war is already low, let alone an ethnic purge, the amount of gun you bough will not change that, worldly experience & historical understanding.
There is limited space to run & hide. The world is one big conglomerate & everyone is invested. Although the odds seembleak, not all of us just want to lay on our backs & live on our knees.
you call it run&hide others will call it moving forward.
our world is big and strong, it will carry on without us, our specie has reached the point where it can extinguish itself with a single order of a nuclear superpower, if that happens, the world will be there, but not us, we need to evolved, greed is useless, war is useless.
the age of heroism is gone, when the guys sitting in a chair up in the sky can demolish cities in minutes, what's there for guns?
is a fantasy, and is one that creates more trouble than what it solves, in america those big guns end up killing civilians in mass shootings, so why selling then indiscriminately to civilians? they wont defend shit, the majority don't have the discipline to carry them, neither the stomach to shoot someone, but those guns will manage to get to the wrongs hands.
I would rather change US gun culture, this problem doesn't seem to happen in switzerland, but ofc the swiss are disciplined with their guns.
Ur ideas are incoherent & scattered all over the place. Theres only two sides of a coin, apparently you've chosen tails
life is more than black and white, such extremist position will grant you nothing.
but I'm not american, there's no side for me to choose, and yet I have seen enough consequences of the decisions taken in the US and their reverberation around the globe, but I don't get to choose, just like no one else could choose during the cold war, is always the same with you. just war.
and my ideas are as incoherent as your excuses for this subject.
I dont see anything extreme about what I'm saying.
And what position am I taking exactly?
We're not on the same side, so I would expect the enemy to question & undermine the resolve of the few.
you're saying (and taking the position of: ) that there's two sides ONLY, that's the literal definition of extremes.
and I even ignoring the wording in that last post.click to expand


Posted by Koinu
It's not about guns or constitutional rights. It's about the $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ $ .

Posted by Phantom_DangusPosted by 777Posted by Phantom_Dangus
lol
Have fun beating up that straw man.
? I'm slow, my bad
Sorry to be vague. I meant I think this is a straw man argument, when you attack something that really isn't what the other side is arguing. I don't personally know anyone who wants to outlaw private gun ownership. I don't think any of the Democratic candidates for president have suggested that either. The liberals and moderates I know want more restrictions on who can own guns, how long they have to wait to purchase them, and which types of guns, magazines, and accessories can be privately owned, not a full ban. I also don't know anyone who thinks it would be an easy transition to decrease the number of guns in circulation. We know it's a difficult proposition, but I believe the gun lobby has convinced people it's impossible for their own monetary gain, not because it's impossible. We won't know that until we try.click to expand


Posted by LadyNeptune
No one wants to outlaw guns. Thats a rhetoric politicians and media push to create a divide and sway fenceline voters to their side.
What should have a federal ban is semi/full automatics.
You can harp on an on about how its the person who kills, not the gun. But these weapons were designed to KILL in RAPID SUCCESSION. No reason your average everyday citizen should be able to get their hands on these easily.

Posted by 777Posted by LadyNeptune
No one wants to outlaw guns. Thats a rhetoric politicians and media push to create a divide and sway fenceline voters to their side.
What should have a federal ban is semi/full automatics.
You can harp on an on about how its the person who kills, not the gun. But these weapons were designed to KILL in RAPID SUCCESSION. No reason your average everyday citizen should be able to get their hands on these easily.
For the last time full autos are banned in nearly every state With special permits most people cant get. Ur an entitled square whos out of the loop it comes to worldly affairs. Ur the epitome of the word white privilege. U dont stand for anything outside of what's popular. U are the oppressor. Nothing against all white people, but against you & ur crew particularly
U are an enemy of the peopleclick to expand

Posted by 777Posted by LadyNeptune
No one wants to outlaw guns. Thats a rhetoric politicians and media push to create a divide and sway fenceline voters to their side.
What should have a federal ban is semi/full automatics.
You can harp on an on about how its the person who kills, not the gun. But these weapons were designed to KILL in RAPID SUCCESSION. No reason your average everyday citizen should be able to get their hands on these easily.
For the last time full autos are banned in nearly every state With special permits most people cant get. Ur an entitled square whos out of the loop it comes to worldly affairs. Ur the epitome of the word white privilege. U dont stand for anything outside of what's popular. U are the oppressor. Nothing against all white people, but against you & ur crew particularly
U are an enemy of the peopleclick to expand


Posted by LadyNeptunePosted by 777Posted by LadyNeptune
No one wants to outlaw guns. Thats a rhetoric politicians and media push to create a divide and sway fenceline voters to their side.
What should have a federal ban is semi/full automatics.
You can harp on an on about how its the person who kills, not the gun. But these weapons were designed to KILL in RAPID SUCCESSION. No reason your average everyday citizen should be able to get their hands on these easily.
For the last time full autos are banned in nearly every state With special permits most people cant get. Ur an entitled square whos out of the loop it comes to worldly affairs. Ur the epitome of the word white privilege. U dont stand for anything outside of what's popular. U are the oppressor. Nothing against all white people, but against you & ur crew particularly
U are an enemy of the people
You incorrect and spreading fake news.
In 1994 congress adopted the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which made it "unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or possess" a semiautomatic assault weapon. But this ban expired in 2004, despite overwhelming public support for its renewal.
Only 7 states have enacted laws banning assault weapons. And their definition of assault weapons varies from state to state. Doesn't make much of an impact unless it is federal ban, as I can jump over to the next state and purchase/obtain said weapon and bring it back to the state its banned in.
Don't know what my opinion has to do with your (incorrect) assumption of my ethnicity. But way to keep it consistent.click to expand

Posted by AnotherTaurusGuyReturnsPosted by LadyNeptunePosted by 777Posted by LadyNeptune
No one wants to outlaw guns. Thats a rhetoric politicians and media push to create a divide and sway fenceline voters to their side.
What should have a federal ban is semi/full automatics.
You can harp on an on about how its the person who kills, not the gun. But these weapons were designed to KILL in RAPID SUCCESSION. No reason your average everyday citizen should be able to get their hands on these easily.
U are an enemy of the people
Nah, he’s pointing out you don’t know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic.
Semi-automatic is 1 trigger pull = 1 bullet fired.
Automatic is 1 trigger pull = many bullets fired, potentially a full magazine.
Automatic weapons are not permitted to be manufactured or bought new after 1986 (IIRC) under the Firearm Owners Protection Act. Existing weapons before that date are allowed but very expensive > $ 10k, hence very few people have them. A certain class of firearms dealers can have new fully automatic weapons for the purposes of demonstrating and selling to law enforcement / military.
You’re right that the Clinton “assault weapons ban” that prohibited semi-automatics lapsed.click to expand

Posted by AnotherTaurusGuyReturnsPosted by LadyNeptunePosted by 777Posted by LadyNeptune
No one wants to outlaw guns. Thats a rhetoric politicians and media push to create a divide and sway fenceline voters to their side.
What should have a federal ban is semi/full automatics.
You can harp on an on about how its the person who kills, not the gun. But these weapons were designed to KILL in RAPID SUCCESSION. No reason your average everyday citizen should be able to get their hands on these easily.
For the last time full autos are banned in nearly every state With special permits most people cant get. Ur an entitled square whos out of the loop it comes to worldly affairs. Ur the epitome of the word white privilege. U dont stand for anything outside of what's popular. U are the oppressor. Nothing against all white people, but against you & ur crew particularly
U are an enemy of the people
You incorrect and spreading fake news.
In 1994 congress adopted the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which made it "unlawful for a person to manufacture, transfer, or possess" a semiautomatic assault weapon. But this ban expired in 2004, despite overwhelming public support for its renewal.
Only 7 states have enacted laws banning assault weapons. And their definition of assault weapons varies from state to state. Doesn't make much of an impact unless it is federal ban, as I can jump over to the next state and purchase/obtain said weapon and bring it back to the state its banned in.
Nah, he’s pointing out you don’t know the difference between automatic and semi-automatic.
Semi-automatic is 1 trigger pull = 1 bullet fired.
Automatic is 1 trigger pull = many bullets fired, potentially a full magazine.
Automatic weapons are not permitted to be manufactured or bought new after 1986 (IIRC) under the Firearm Owners Protection Act. Existing weapons before that date are allowed but very expensive > $ 10k, hence very few people have them. A certain class of firearms dealers can have new fully automatic weapons for the purposes of demonstrating and selling to law enforcement / military.
You’re right that the Clinton “assault weapons ban” that prohibited semi-automatics lapsed.click to expand



Posted by AjuPosted by 777Posted by LadyNeptune
No one wants to outlaw guns. Thats a rhetoric politicians and media push to create a divide and sway fenceline voters to their side.
What should have a federal ban is semi/full automatics.
You can harp on an on about how its the person who kills, not the gun. But these weapons were designed to KILL in RAPID SUCCESSION. No reason your average everyday citizen should be able to get their hands on these easily.
For the last time full autos are banned in nearly every state With special permits most people cant get. Ur an entitled square whos out of the loop it comes to worldly affairs. Ur the epitome of the word white privilege. U dont stand for anything outside of what's popular. U are the oppressor. Nothing against all white people, but against you & ur crew particularly
U are an enemy of the people
Stop
No one is the enemy.
This is how things get started "out there"
In the first place. Me against them...
Them against me. We are all just
putting what we know and how
we feel. Why belittle or judge..?
Educate and discuss with love so we can all
Heal from this.click to expand

Posted by 777Posted by AjuPosted by 777Posted by LadyNeptune
No one wants to outlaw guns. Thats a rhetoric politicians and media push to create a divide and sway fenceline voters to their side.
What should have a federal ban is semi/full automatics.
You can harp on an on about how its the person who kills, not the gun. But these weapons were designed to KILL in RAPID SUCCESSION. No reason your average everyday citizen should be able to get their hands on these easily.
For the last time full autos are banned in nearly every state With special permits most people cant get. Ur an entitled square whos out of the loop it comes to worldly affairs. Ur the epitome of the word white privilege. U dont stand for anything outside of what's popular. U are the oppressor. Nothing against all white people, but against you & ur crew particularly
U are an enemy of the people
Stop
No one is the enemy.
This is how things get started "out there"
In the first place. Me against them...
Them against me. We are all just
putting what we know and how
we feel. Why belittle or judge..?
Educate and discuss with love so we can all
Heal from this.
I only believe in Good vs Evil. There will always be a beef between the two. It was written......click to expand
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Conceptually speaking,
if u were a jew in nazi Germany would you have voted to remove guns from civilians?
If you were a descendant of slaves, who were murdered, used as experiment, & tortured now live in a society where u are unwanted blemish on societal progression, would u give away ur few means of fighting?
The native Americans were basically irradicated & if u feel ur indoctrinated commercial thoughts are going to be the pathway to a better brighter safer future...
U are wrong