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Pluto, Saturn and Chiron in the 4th house
Effects of Pluto, Saturn, and Chiron in the Fourth House
Pluto can indicate intense emotional upheaval or feelings of insecurity in childhood. Saturn may bring strict discipline or limitations at home. Chiron often signifies deep emotional wounds that impact family relationships and personal healing. These placements influence how you experience safety, discipline, and emotional healing within your family environment.
Cap Saturn in the 4th
I wouldn't say it was directly suppressive. After a couple of incidents I just adapted to keep myself in check and guarded.
Thank you A.
pluto in 4th
Thanks cake
Can you talk about how it manifested for you?
My dad is a taurus and my mom is a scorp. According to astrology, this is a good union but it can be sort of terrible for bringing up children because the focus is the love for one's partner.
My mom gave birth to me and I was given to my grandparents when I was 3 weeks old. My parents were in the city for work and I was in the province, they would come visit at least every weekend. I didn't get to bond with my mom and I felt as if she didn't want me for a very long time. I felt that I was adopted and that gave me some peace of mind. I didn't stay with them until my grandparents moved to Canada and I had to start school. My mom worked as an accountant for the police foundation. It was a gated area, people wore uniform and most people were stern. I started preschool close to my mom's work, inside that gated area, and after school she took me back to her work. I'd sit beside her, learn to read and write. They preferred a boy, so they were really happy when my brother was born plus he's astrologically compatible with them. He needed more attention more than I did anyway.
My dad had 0 patience. My mom had 0 affection for me. They were scary but to my brother, they were always loving but that was a thing for many families.
Weirdly, I turned out to be quite affectionate and completely opposite from them. I don't hate them. I understand the circumstances, they had a tough upbringing too.
I'm blessed in other ways.
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Thanks for your honesty love
This made me 😥 a little
Bless you and well done for surviving that situation, you must be an extraordinary woman
(((❤️)))
pluto in 4th
Thanks cake
Can you talk about how it manifested for you?
My dad is a taurus and my mom is a scorp. According to astrology, this is a good union but it can be sort of terrible for bringing up children because the focus is the love for one's partner.
My mom gave birth to me and I was given to my grandparents when I was 3 weeks old. My parents were in the city for work and I was in the province, they would come visit at least every weekend. I didn't get to bond with my mom and I felt as if she didn't want me for a very long time. I felt that I was adopted and that gave me some peace of mind. I didn't stay with them until my grandparents moved to Canada and I had to start school. My mom worked as an accountant for the police foundation. It was a gated area, people wore uniform and most people were stern. I started preschool close to my mom's work, inside that gated area, and after school she took me back to her work. I'd sit beside her, learn to read and write. They preferred a boy, so they were really happy when my brother was born plus he's astrologically compatible with them. He needed more attention more than I did anyway.
My dad had 0 patience. My mom had 0 affection for me. They were scary but to my brother, they were always loving but that was a thing for many families.
Weirdly, I turned out to be quite affectionate and completely opposite from them. I don't hate them. I understand the circumstances, they had a tough upbringing too.
I'm blessed in other ways.
Thanks for your honesty love
This made me 😥 a little
Bless you and well done for surviving that situation, you must be an extraordinary woman
(((❤️)))
My entire family is whack. Really. Somehow, we manage to function and crawl forward. I love them to bits and they make me realize that things aren't always black and white. You take the good with the bad because that's what people are.
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Pamela Anderson
Pluto in 4th
Anderson claims she suffered sexual abuse as a child, a fact she revealed publicly in 2014. She said she was molested by a female babysitter from ages 6 to 10, raped by a 25-year-old man when she was age 12, and gang-raped by her boyfriend and six of his friends when she was 14.
Madonna
Saturn in 4th
Her parents' strict observation of the Catholic faith played a large role in Madonna's childhood. "My mother was a religious zealot," Madonna explains.
Eminem
Chiron in 4th
Was bullied in his neighborhood and had a very difficult relationship with his mother
Madonna
Saturn in 4th
Her parents' strict observation of the Catholic faith played a large role in Madonna's childhood. "My mother was a religious zealot," Madonna explains.
Megan Fox
Pluto in 4th.
Was raised also very strict Catholic and bullied in school.
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Interesting
I wonder how many people who bully later in life have pluto in 4th?
Madonna
Saturn in 4th
Her parents' strict observation of the Catholic faith played a large role in Madonna's childhood. "My mother was a religious zealot," Madonna explains.
Megan Fox
Pluto in 4th.
Was raised also very strict Catholic and bullied in school.
Interesting
I wonder how many people who bully later in life have pluto in 4th?
Not only Pluto. Know Saturn 4th who was also raised oppressed Catholic and bullied. Don't think depends on actual placement. Mental issue, only bullies respond to bullies.
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But the chart placements can have an affect on our behavior ...
Charles Manson
Pluto in 4th
Charles later obtained the last name Manson from William Eugene Manson whom Kathleen began dating in 1934. Manson was a heavy drinker and would be missing for days at a time. The two divorced just three years later in 1937. As Kathleen struggled with her own alcoholic tendencies she too would go missing for days at a time. She’d leave young Charles Manson to fend for himself or with a variety of babysitters while she was bar-hopping and hanging around various men getting into trouble.
Kathleen Maddox, Charles Manson’s Mom
Kathleen was involved in a robbery in 1939 and the courts gave her a ten-year prison sentence. Charles went to live with his aunt and uncle in West Virginia until his mother was paroled in 1942. They reunited and Kathleen continued her abusive parenting habits but by this time Charles himself was becoming his own problem getting arrested and finding trouble around every corner. His mother sent him to the Gibault School for Boys in Terre Haute, Indiana. Gibault was a school for juvenile delinquents and was run by Catholic priests.
Stalin
Pluto in 4th
Stalin was of Georgian—not Russian—origin, and persistent rumours claim that he was Ossetian on the paternal side. He was the son of a poor cobbler in the provincial Georgian town of Gori in the Caucasus, then an imperial Russian colony. The drunken father savagely beat his son.
Saturn in the 4th
I am the oldest of 5. I was expected to be their caretaker at a pretty young age. Probably 12 or so. I remember my friends asking if I could go do fun things and my mom would say no because I had to look after my younger siblings. I never got to be a child...I’ve had to be responsible for other people since I can remember.
Thanks Arinoaqua, that sounds like a good example of Saturn 4th...
Which sign is it In?
Pluto in fourth in Sagittarius- I always feel unsafe at home and am always on edge.
Chiron in 4th.
I have shared a few times how rough my childhood was.
Chiron and Saturn in 4th.
Wish I could say I had a splendid childhood, just to be a contrarian 😄
Anyway, I’ve learned some things from it:
- Be self reliant and believe in myself
- Fight for my rights. I’m not here because you want me to, I’m here because it’s my right to be!
- Don’t show weakness, it will be used against me
- Avoid having children
- It’s Ok to swim agains the flow, or to think outside the box
- Avoid dead people who don’t let others live
- Show compassion for most, who knows what they have been through
Pluto in fourth in Sagittarius- I always feel unsafe at home and am always on edge.
You can't leave?
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I'm under 18.
Chiron in 11th, Gemini. Ive always struggled socially. Then again Saturn in 4th gave a home environment that was slightly unstable. My dad was an alcoholic and cold, distant, everything not pleasant about Saturn. I picked up all too well on it. My mom on the other hand is a saint so, I'm thankful for that.
Uranus in Leo in the 4th conjunct MC, conjunct Mars in Leo, conjunct North Node in Leo, conjunct Pluto in Virgo (all in 4th. Sun in 1st). My father is an Aries with a grand cross in Cardinal signs (an intense at times frustrated Ram). My mom is an Aquarius, moon in Taurus and mars in Leo (positive, people friendly waterbearer). We all have Saturn in Capricorn = getting on with things.
I have Aquarius on top (MC) and Uranus on the bottom (IC). All of this intense energy/emotion yet I can detach myself from myself. My home environment was intense but in a positive "getting on with things" kind of way.
I think pluto has helped throw me deeply into my core to try and figure everything out - who am I really? What is the real nature of things? I could have been a sadistic, sex crazed, violent piece of shit. I guess my saving grace is Saturn in Cap conjunct Jupiter in Aquarius in the 9th. So, all of this raw intensity within working its slow way to enlightentment - which has happened, in fact.
At this point, God will work with me - almost directly. Now, I'm glad to have been "plopped' down into such an intense family foundation - it has helped me to get on with things, i.e. a big push soul-wise.
Sorry that I'm starting to be a big pain in the tail with these questions. I promise this'll be the last time. How do I find what house my Chiron in? Not interesting in Pluto cus I already know where that at.
Though I think my Chiron might be in my 2nd house I'm not so sure on that.
Sorry that I'm starting to be a big pain in the tail with these questions. I promise this'll be the last time. How do I find what house my Chiron in? Not interesting in Pluto cus I already know where that at.
Though I think my Chiron might be in my 2nd house I'm not so sure on that.
I use astro.com (astrodienst).
If you make a profile, Go to "free horoscopes", and then open "Extended chart selection" (on the far right). You'll see 4 options there, the last one says "Additional objects". Click on + and then select Chiron, followed by "Click here to show the chart", bottom right.
I wrote this song when I was in my early 20's. It sums up all of this intensity/Pluto in the 4th seeking, seeking........
(a song never heard - how plutonian is that, a real grunger)
Bury me down, Bury me low
Bury me down, Bury me low
Under the snow, into the ground
Far beneath this sight and sound
Bury me down, Bury me low
Bury me down, Bury me low
My epitaph I composed read and wrote in my head
My sanity fades
Soon to be saved or soon to be dead
Bury me down, Bury me low
Bury me down, Bury me low
Into a place where every soul incarnate must go
Seeking that sanity I once thought I did know
On my self created battlefield I stand
Sword gracefully preparing to swing in hand
Bury me down, Bury me low
Bury me down, Bury me low
Under the snow, into the ground
Far beneath this sight and sound
My epitaph I composed read and wrote in my head
But now I choose love and the ways of grace instead
So with vicious thrusts I do what I must
For one day free I will stand
Before all of this - God's creation
And all of my fellow man
(now older, I am mostly a free soul in this bodily temple but I was going through quite the battle back then)
Sorry that I'm starting to be a big pain in the tail with these questions. I promise this'll be the last time. How do I find what house my Chiron in? Not interesting in Pluto cus I already know where that at.
Though I think my Chiron might be in my 2nd house I'm not so sure on that.
I use astro.com (astrodienst).
If you make a profile, Go to "free horoscopes", and then open "Extended chart selection" (on the far right). You'll see 4 options there, the last one says "Additional objects". Click on + and then select Chiron, followed by "Click here to show the chart", bottom right.
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Thanks🙂
Chiron in the 7th house. That don't sound good to me. Sound like a painful and stressful marriage.
I wrote this song when I was in my early 20's. It sums up all of this intensity/Pluto in the 4th seeking, seeking........
(a song never heard - how plutonian is that, a real grunger)
Bury me down, Bury me low
Bury me down, Bury me low
Under the snow, into the ground
Far beneath this sight and sound
Bury me down, Bury me low
Bury me down, Bury me low
My epitaph I composed read and wrote in my head
My sanity fades
Soon to be saved or soon to be dead
Bury me down, Bury me low
Bury me down, Bury me low
Into a place where every soul incarnate must go
Seeking that sanity I once thought I did know
On my self created battlefield I stand
Sword gracefully preparing to swing in hand
Bury me down, Bury me low
Bury me down, Bury me low
Under the snow, into the ground
Far beneath this sight and sound
My epitaph I composed read and wrote in my head
But now I choose love and the ways of grace instead
So with vicious thrusts I do what I must
For one day free I will stand
Before all of this - God's creation
And all of my fellow man
(now older, I am mostly a free soul in this bodily temple but I was going through quite the battle back then)
Oh yes, very Plutonian! Did a part of yourself remain "buried", or managed to resurrect in beauty?
To hard to explain, extract your own meaning.
Sorry that I'm starting to be a big pain in the tail with these questions. I promise this'll be the last time. How do I find what house my Chiron in? Not interesting in Pluto cus I already know where that at.
Though I think my Chiron might be in my 2nd house I'm not so sure on that.
I use astro.com (astrodienst).
If you make a profile, Go to "free horoscopes", and then open "Extended chart selection" (on the far right). You'll see 4 options there, the last one says "Additional objects". Click on + and then select Chiron, followed by "Click here to show the chart", bottom right.
Thanks🙂
Chiron in the 7th house. That don't sound good to me. Sound like a painful and stressful marriage.
But aren't you married? Was it true...?
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I'm not married. Current status is divorced. But I am currently with someone but we're not married. Been together long enough to be but its not on paper. If that make any sense.
I don't know if its true or not. Or if it was. My few latter days of relationship is pretty stressful. I blame that on getting grays and starting to bald. I think I just need to get away. And maybe start a new life stress free. I don't know if Chiron in my 7th house got anything to do with that or if its something else. I'll have to read up on Chiron.
I do have Saturn and Pluto Conjunct in my 4th House, but other than that - what can i say...
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Does anyone have any of these in the 4th and if so what influence do you feel they played on your homelife as a kid?
Pluto -- feeling unsafe, or possible abuse by a parent/carer
Saturn -- experiencing suppression/too much discipline in the home
Chiron -- emotional and physical wounds
Thanks
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