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Posted by Marrakesha far too many people are out here not knowing who they really are and what they really want
But, this is the journey of life. What we figure out about us and the universe as we stroll through the garden of life.
I'm a Scorpio..
But that hardly matters..
Let's just battle..
Pick a topic or person...it will be fun, I can smell victory in the air !
Muahahaha !
THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAA!!!!
I pick scorpio evil!
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Good..
U can now be 1 of my minions...
Go and spread mayhem throughout land !
I don't think we're having a discussion. What we have here is lack of communication. You want to be difficult, fine. Without my participation. I did want to hear from Cancers because I thought we could have a discussion of some kind. Clearly, that didn't turn out to be the case. What we had was one person doing their best to draw SOME kind of response from another person, and the person talking AROUND things instead of ABOUT them. Now I want to talk about literary theory and architecture with someone I enjoy talking to, so I'm leaving. All things considered, I do hope that you can find an intellectually stimulating interlocutor on this forum. Though, the only entity I can think of capable of satisfying your standards for debate is a robot. Done in this thread. I won't come back. Carry on.
It's a pity you're leaving. We were definitely beginning to have a discussion just of a kind you aren't perhaps acquainted with.
I like architecture, I have been to about 50 countries and seen interesting things 😉.
I'm a Scorpio..
But that hardly matters..
Let's just battle..
Pick a topic or person...it will be fun, I can smell victory in the air !
Muahahaha !
THIS IS SPARTAAAAAAAAA!!!!
I pick scorpio evil!
Good..
U can now be 1 of my minions...
Go and spread mayhem throughout land !
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Damn it, you scrwed it up on step 1. You're a Cancer so stop thinking like a scorp...bah.
Posted by Marrakesha
@incandescentcancer: True, but it's also about having SOME sort of foundation and starting point for who you are and what you are. None of us are completely blank slates. And if we're all walking around like blobs, then we just absorb everything and have no sense of discernment or ability to filter things.
Very interesting. So do you believe that a child is born with genetic knowledge or blank slate? Nature or nurture?
Funny thing is people say, Aries are selfish (emotionally). Yet I have truly given 300% of myself to many people without needed anything in return. Come on! No one should live like that.... constantly giving to others and always feeling empty afterwards. There should be balance or else its just not worth it.
I'm sure that's how the Crab (s) feel about their contribution to humanity as well, but that doesn't mean others share their opinion. Just like others may not feel you're as selfless as you're giving yourself credit to be!
I thought I was selfless because I constantly did things for others without them asking me, but when they finally DID need me I was nowhere to be found. I felt I was being used when in fact, I was the one with the wrong priorities.
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For me it's simple- I do what I can do to help someone (not everyone, of course) because I have sincere compassion for people. However, if the person proves to be ungrateful, takes advantage, lies, etc... I slowly move away and soon I cut them off for good. Even if I have one regret I know its for the best.
Point is: I know who I am and I know what I've been through... therefore I can toot my horn and if you asked the people whom I've been there for, plenty of them would toot for me too 🙂
toot toot!
Posted by Marrakesha
@GG: You mean ALL of Europe was founded in Aries?? I don't believe that to be true at all given that every country in Europe as well as every city has its own founding sign.Furthermore, I'm not going to blame a whole sign for the atrocities committed by those of its people within the country. That's rather ridiculous and is crazy statement to even make given that we know the world is complex and many factors play into what happens. To blame the sign in which a country is founded/born whatever really undermines the real issues and the people who were affected in various ways by those issues.
England and Germany - Aries
/the end 😛
http://www.astrologyweekly.com/more-horary/countries-cities.php
Posted by Marrakesha
@incadescent: I don't believe anyone is born with a blank slate. Babies are still nurtured while in the womb both by food and their parents actions. That's why they've proven that when pregnant mothers listen to classical music and parents talk to the child while in the womb, it makes a difference in how the child comes out. Stress from the mother and the parents can also influence a baby.
None of which actually translates to knowledge in the mind of a child. There is no evidence as far as I know that a newborn knows anything. This was my point about how we learn through our environment and a lot of it is biased rendering dispassionate discourse impossible.
Posted by Marrakesha
America is supposedly founded under Cancer.
Yeah and so is the city of New York 😉
Posted by tiziani
As much as Europe was founded on passion I actually like European culture for what it is, even today.
You mean an old arthritis ridden patient? Having spent many years in Europe, I think the continent is out of touch with modern reality and gone too soft.
Posted by Marrakesha
@incandescentcancer: Umm England and Germany are only two countries. Europe is made up of more than England and Europe.
Yes, but they were the main protagonists in two wars that caused 50 million deaths. I think that's pretty much all the count you need there. I am not sure what Portugal's contribution was but I doubt it is of the order of this magnitude.
Oh and I doubt I need to go into Britain's contributions in other parts of the world...
Posted by Marrakesha
@incadescentcancer: Actually, there were quite a few countries guilty of being apart of the massacre. Many people play a part in what happened.
Fair enough and I don't actually think countries have ruling signs because the dates are sort of arbitrary..
I can agree w/ some. But some are way off, at least for me. I do hold things in, and then blow. I love entertaining people, and having a welcoming home. I LOVE to cook for others, help people, and baby them. I can cry at the drop of the hat, but most of the time is because seeing something or hearing something makes me sad. I can be overly empathetic to others, and it pains me to see someone hurting, including animals.
I can get defensive, but on the other hand I will defend those I love to the death, my friends, etc. My temper, when pushed, is not one to mess with. So I know I can hold my own, but I do go in for the kill when I'm at that point and regret a lot afterwards.
I luff Aries men, of any signs both Aries and Scorpio are who are drawn to me. A person does have to have a thick skin, sometimes so blunt it's rude, but it's not to be hurtful but truthful. And that's what I love is there's no guessing. My youngest boy is an Aries, we are attached at the hip. I had a best friend Aries, loved her to death. But I realized I couldnt trust her, nor her word. Still love her, but I saw a side to her that definitely had me pull back and start observing. She had a way of turning things around believing others were just seeing things. Get her drinking, and it was obnoxious.
Otherwise, quite a lot generalizations IMHO in the original OP, considering that someone's sun is one element in everyone's makeup. So to lump everyone into your hate of Cancers doesn't really leave the reader with the feeling you have an open mind. That being said, I probably wouldn't go out of my way to be nice, considerate, or welcoming with that attitude or mindset projected.
The Aries warlike nature is a protective mechanism.
It was not born out of pure lust for battle.
They r generally hyper sensitive and thus very protective of their feelings.
Unknown to most they would often cry alone, hidden, unseen.
But they hv great emphathy and love within them. Loyal too.
Which is why when betrayed they hate with a venom.
However this will not last long, I've hv observed that they r very forgiving.
Almost childlike....very amusing.
Cancers, this is hardly a good enough reason 2 battle..
Although there is a yearning in us 2 battle a good fight..
The overwhelming feeling of winning sometimes makes us water signs lose perspective, mainly because we hv the determination 2 win despite overwhelming odds.
And we usually do.
But still, after knowing the actual reason of why the OP created this thread, it would be an act of cowardice to continue fighting a cornered party.
She has merely created an outlet to let some steam off....
There would be no glory in fighting that...
Posted by Spectre
Cancers, this is hardly a good enough reason 2 battle..Although there is a yearning in us 2 battle a good fight..
The overwhelming feeling of winning sometimes makes us water signs lose perspective, mainly because we hv the determination 2 win despite overwhelming odds.
And we usually do.
But still, after knowing the actual reason of why the OP created this thread, it would be an act of cowardice to continue fighting a cornered party.
She has merely created an outlet to let some steam off....
There would be no glory in fighting that...
Honestly, to this day I never meet a Cancer that acted like a winner... a whiner, but not a winner. However, I'm sure some exist.
As a Ram, Crabs have always been into me because of my strength and so on. Often they've told me "You whip them back into shape!"
But my op was to express how sick and tired I am of listening to the bullbutter in a Crabs life. "Ain't nobody got time for that" :*)
Also, it's hard to feel cornered by a water sign... In my experiences, I've always had the upper hand with you folks... From the Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces.
Hmmm, In fact all the signs that have always come flowing back to me have been water. Even when a scorpio have tried to seek revenge on me... Somehow they always end up more hurt
So cornered, I've never felt... Perhaps a lil' regret but mainly a sense of relief and a strong feeling of 'I know this is for the best'.
I know it's hard to fathom but the Aries Women is one sign that can survive on her own... and Honestly it feels good being this strong!!
Posted by Spectre
The Aries warlike nature is a protective mechanism.It was not born out of pure lust for battle.
They r generally hyper sensitive and thus very protective of their feelings.
Unknown to most they would often cry alone, hidden, unseen.
But they hv great emphathy and love within them. Loyal too.
Which is why when betrayed they hate with a venom.
However this will not last long, I've hv observed that they r very forgiving.
Almost childlike....very amusing.
Not as amusing as seeing the water signs jealousy and revenge tactics when they realize the Fire has burned out. It's nasty & Epic how they fall apart!!
Alexias,
Oorah!
Posted by Spectre
Cancers, this is hardly a good enough reason 2 battle..Although there is a yearning in us 2 battle a good fight..
The overwhelming feeling of winning sometimes makes us water signs lose perspective, mainly because we hv the determination 2 win despite overwhelming odds.
And we usually do.
But still, after knowing the actual reason of why the OP created this thread, it would be an act of cowardice to continue fighting a cornered party.
She has merely created an outlet to let some steam off....
There would be no glory in fighting that...
Also, Crabs are always looking for a battle (someone to conquer) because you tend to be weak and overly sensitive...its like a Napoleon complex.
Where as the Ram doesn't look for battle, we are naturally physically & mentally strong... it shows (at least it does on me) so there is nothing to prove.
Have you ever seen the BS that a Crabs gets mad at!? It's nuts and embarrassing.
Posted by OceanDeep
I can agree w/ some. But some are way off, at least for me. I do hold things in, and then blow. I love entertaining people, and having a welcoming home. I LOVE to cook for others, help people, and baby them. I can cry at the drop of the hat, but most of the time is because seeing something or hearing something makes me sad. I can be overly empathetic to others, and it pains me to see someone hurting, including animals.I can get defensive, but on the other hand I will defend those I love to the death, my friends, etc. My temper, when pushed, is not one to mess with. So I know I can hold my own, but I do go in for the kill when I'm at that point and regret a lot afterwards.
I luff Aries men, of any signs both Aries and Scorpio are who are drawn to me. A person does have to have a thick skin, sometimes so blunt it's rude, but it's not to be hurtful but truthful. And that's what I love is there's no guessing. My youngest boy is an Aries, we are attached at the hip. I had a best friend Aries, loved her to death. But I realized I couldnt trust her, nor her word. Still love her, but I saw a side to her that definitely had me pull back and start observing. She had a way of turning things around believing others were just seeing things. Get her drinking, and it was obnoxious.
Otherwise, quite a lot generalizations IMHO in the original OP, considering that someone's sun is one element in everyone's makeup. So to lump everyone into your hate of Cancers doesn't really leave the reader with the feeling you have an open mind. That being said, I probably wouldn't go out of my way to be nice, considerate, or welcoming with that attitude or mindset projected.
Disclaimer: The feelings expressed in the original post are what I experienced with the Crabs I have meet. Not the entire Crab population people.
I didn't send the op to your inbox- So if you take my feeling and internalize them... that's on you.
I think the bottom line for me is, as an Aries I just don't want to nurture someone (not my child) for 24hrs a day. I choose happiness
Where in my opinion, the Crabs I encountered, seem to see no harm or waste in dwelling on something for long periods of time. They choose...something else
This is where we (Crab & Ram) are very different and that is why I've come to the conclusion that I rather keep the Crabs at bay for now.
Now I didn't say
@ OceanDeep trouble posting with your quote-
Disclaimer: The feelings expressed in the original post are what I experienced with the Crabs I have meet. Not the entire Crab population people.
I didn't send the op to your inbox- So if you take my feeling and internalize them... that's on you.
I think the bottom line for me is, as an Aries I just don't want to nurture someone (not my child) for 24hrs a day. I choose happiness
Where in my opinion, the Crabs I encountered, seem to see no harm or waste in dwelling on something for long periods of time. They choose...something else
This is where we (Crab & Ram) are very different and that is why I've come to the conclusion that I rather keep the Crabs at bay for now.
Now I didn't say I loved the Crab, but I certainly didn't say I hated the Crab either. The title reads "I Can't Deal with the The Zodiac Sign Cancer"
With that said, do you really think you not being nice to me would affect my day or mind state?
No, because I know this is a forum for discussing different opinions and a place where you can learn something, have a laugh, meet people with like minds, so on.
I'll will tell you this, before I came here I knew I wasn't speaking for the entire Ram crew or about the entire Crab Crew... just from my personally experiences.
I don't know about Crabs..
I do know they r water signs..maybe similar 2 a Scorpio.
But in all honesty, i cannot say, i hv neither friends nor strong enemies who r Crabs.
I am surrounded by Scorpio's, Leo's and Aries.
But u Aries intrigued me, the females does so, the outer shell so strong but beneath it all is a little girl, that would gush at babies, cry at drama movie's when they r nobody around to observe them.
I will investigate ur kind further.
Let her..
It will be interesting and amusing..
Posted by feb16aqua
lol Alexias still going 🙂
And you've been here thorough it all 🙂
Posted by feb16aqua
I'm that type of friend 🙂I've only had 1 experience with a crab. She went crazy on me and tried to rip me a new one, then I gave it to her really good (I still feel a little bad, I went right for her weakness). She never accepted my apology either. 😢
: *) Yea, You ever notice how a lot of Chefs never like eating their own food... at least right away.
Shouldn't pick on Cancers; you know how they'll whine that everyone is picking on them. They can't take it!
Posted by Alexias
@CulelessCancer Keep Venting!! that's what this forum is all about. Hopefully your Friday night won't be ruined by someone else's opinion of your zodiac sign. ;/
However if you can't seem to calm down, here is some advice.... since you Crabs always need it-1) Have a seat.
2) Take a deep breath.
3) Release the breath.
4) Repeat.Trust me, this will help 🙂 Ciao and Good Luck to you...and I really mean that~
^^^^LMAO
Posted by Marrakesha
LOL @ tiziani: Nope, it wouldn't and never has. I don't feel Libras are charming. I think they're one of the scariest signs of the zodiac.I was saying to my Gemini co-worker today that every Libra I've known has chosen therapy and psychology for their career, and they seem to need the most help. One guy I knew worked at a mental institution and he could've easily been one of the patients.
LOL I find this to be true of most psychologists in general to be honest. 9 times out of 10 you ask them what inspired them to become one and they will cite an abusive relationship when they are very young.
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I would love to know how many psychologist you've actually asked or talk to to come to this conclusion.
Posted by Alexias
@CulelessCancer Keep Venting!! that's what this forum is all about. Hopefully your Friday night won't be ruined by someone else's opinion of your zodiac sign. ;/
However if you can't seem to calm down, here is some advice.... since you Crabs always need it-1) Have a seat.
2) Take a deep breath.
3) Release the breath.
4) Repeat.Trust me, this will help 🙂 Ciao and Good Luck to you...and I really mean that~
^^^^LMAO
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I was really trying to civil to her~
Posted by Spectre
Cancers, this is hardly a good enough reason 2 battle..Although there is a yearning in us 2 battle a good fight..
The overwhelming feeling of winning sometimes makes us water signs lose perspective, mainly because we hv the determination 2 win despite overwhelming odds.
And we usually do.
But still, after knowing the actual reason of why the OP created this thread, it would be an act of cowardice to continue fighting a cornered party.
She has merely created an outlet to let some steam off....
There would be no glory in fighting that...
Honestly, to this day I never meet a Cancer that acted like a winner... a whiner, but not a winner. However, I'm sure some exist.
As a Ram, Crabs have always been into me because of my strength and so on. Often they've told me "You whip them back into shape!"
But my op was to express how sick and tired I am of listening to the bullbutter in a Crabs life. "Ain't nobody got time for that" :*)
Also, it's hard to feel cornered by a water sign... In my experiences, I've always had the upper hand with you folks... From the Cancer, Scorpio, and Pisces.
Hmmm, In fact all the signs that have always come flowing back to me have been water. Even when a scorpio have tried to seek revenge on me... Somehow they always end up more hurt
So cornered, I've never felt... Perhaps a lil' regret but mainly a sense of relief and a strong feeling of 'I know this is for the best'.
I know it's hard to fathom but the Aries Women is one sign that can survive on her own... and Honestly it feels good being this strong!!
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Yasss!!!! Love Aries women!!! I'm in good company.
Posted by Spectre
the females does so, the outer shell so strong but beneath it all is a little girl, that would gush at babies, cry at drama movie's when they r nobody around to observe them.I will investigate ur kind further.
We gotta get rid of this guy. He knows too much.
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He knows nothing- He's only repeating what he has heard or read and adding his on flair to it. I'll give him credit for being poetic though :*)
Posted by Marrakesha
LOL @ tiziani: Nope, it wouldn't and never has. I don't feel Libras are charming. I think they're one of the scariest signs of the zodiac.I was saying to my Gemini co-worker today that every Libra I've known has chosen therapy and psychology for their career, and they seem to need the most help. One guy I knew worked at a mental institution and he could've easily been one of the patients.
LOL I find this to be true of most psychologists in general to be honest. 9 times out of 10 you ask them what inspired them to become one and they will cite an abusive relationship when they are very young.
I would love to know how many psychologist you've actually asked or talk to to come to this conclusion.
Couldn't say I kept count but it would definitely be close to a 8 or 9 out of 10 ratio so far. All genuinely motivated and fulfilled people to, so whatever works for them.
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Posted by Spectre
the females does so, the outer shell so strong but beneath it all is a little girl, that would gush at babies, cry at drama movie's when they r nobody around to observe them.I will investigate ur kind further.
We gotta get rid of this guy. He knows too much.
He knows nothing- He's only repeating what he has heard or read and adding his on flair to it. I'll give him credit for being poetic though :*)
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he's def got flair
Posted by Marrakesha
LOL @ tiziani: Nope, it wouldn't and never has. I don't feel Libras are charming. I think they're one of the scariest signs of the zodiac.I was saying to my Gemini co-worker today that every Libra I've known has chosen therapy and psychology for their career, and they seem to need the most help. One guy I knew worked at a mental institution and he could've easily been one of the patients.
LOL I find this to be true of most psychologists in general to be honest. 9 times out of 10 you ask them what inspired them to become one and they will cite an abusive relationship when they are very young.
I would love to know how many psychologist you've actually asked or talk to to come to this conclusion.
Couldn't say I kept count but it would definitely be close to a 8 or 9 out of 10 ratio so far. All genuinely motivated and fulfilled people to, so whatever works for them.
Yes, I see.
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Posted by Spectre
the females does so, the outer shell so strong but beneath it all is a little girl, that would gush at babies, cry at drama movie's when they r nobody around to observe them.I will investigate ur kind further.
We gotta get rid of this guy. He knows too much.
He knows nothing- He's only repeating what he has heard or read and adding his on flair to it. I'll give him credit for being poetic though :*)
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Hmmm...
No need 2 advertise it...
I already know I am so super...
GG saw the light!! yes!
Posted by Alexias
@ OceanDeep trouble posting with your quote-Disclaimer: The feelings expressed in the original post are what I experienced with the Crabs I have meet. Not the entire Crab population people.
I didn't send the op to your inbox- So if you take my feeling and internalize them... that's on you.I think the bottom line for me is, as an Aries I just don't want to nurture someone (not my child) for 24hrs a day. I choose happiness
Where in my opinion, the Crabs I encountered, seem to see no harm or waste in dwelling on something for long periods of time. They choose...something else
This is where we (Crab & Ram) are very different and that is why I've come to the conclusion that I rather keep the Crabs at bay for now.
Now I didn't say I loved the Crab, but I certainly didn't say I hated the Crab either. The title reads "I Can't Deal with the The Zodiac Sign Cancer"
With that said, do you really think you not being nice to me would affect my day or mind state?
No, because I know this is a forum for discussing different opinions and a place where you can learn something, have a laugh, meet people with like minds, so on.
I'll will tell you this, before I came here I knew I wasn't speaking for the entire Ram crew or about the entire Crab Crew... just from my personally experiences.
Where in my post am I not being nice to you? I could rant on, but I think your post has said enough about you. Carry on.
Posted by Alexias
@ OceanDeep trouble posting with your quote-Disclaimer: The feelings expressed in the original post are what I experienced with the Crabs I have meet. Not the entire Crab population people.
I didn't send the op to your inbox- So if you take my feeling and internalize them... that's on you.I think the bottom line for me is, as an Aries I just don't want to nurture someone (not my child) for 24hrs a day. I choose happiness
Where in my opinion, the Crabs I encountered, seem to see no harm or waste in dwelling on something for long periods of time. They choose...something else
This is where we (Crab & Ram) are very different and that is why I've come to the conclusion that I rather keep the Crabs at bay for now.
Now I didn't say I loved the Crab, but I certainly didn't say I hated the Crab either. The title reads "I Can't Deal with the The Zodiac Sign Cancer"
With that said, do you really think you not being nice to me would affect my day or mind state?
No, because I know this is a forum for discussing different opinions and a place where you can learn something, have a laugh, meet people with like minds, so on.
I'll will tell you this, before I came here I knew I wasn't speaking for the entire Ram crew or about the entire Crab Crew... just from my personally experiences.
Where in my post am I not being nice to you? I could rant on, but I think your post has said enough about you. Carry on.
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Re-read your words...towards the end of you post and then come back to the field-
Posted by OceanDeep
I can agree w/ some. But some are way off, at least for me. I do hold things in, and then blow. I love entertaining people, and having a welcoming home. I LOVE to cook for others, help people, and baby them. I can cry at the drop of the hat, but most of the time is because seeing something or hearing something makes me sad. I can be overly empathetic to others, and it pains me to see someone hurting, including animals.I can get defensive, but on the other hand I will defend those I love to the death, my friends, etc. My temper, when pushed, is not one to mess with. So I know I can hold my own, but I do go in for the kill when I'm at that point and regret a lot afterwards.
I luff Aries men, of any signs both Aries and Scorpio are who are drawn to me. A person does have to have a thick skin, sometimes so blunt it's rude, but it's not to be hurtful but truthful. And that's what I love is there's no guessing. My youngest boy is an Aries, we are attached at the hip. I had a best friend Aries, loved her to death. But I realized I couldnt trust her, nor her word. Still love her, but I saw a side to her that definitely had me pull back and start observing. She had a way of turning things around believing others were just seeing things. Get her drinking, and it was obnoxious.
Otherwise, quite a lot generalizations IMHO in the original OP, considering that someone's sun is one element in everyone's makeup. So to lump everyone into your hate of Cancers doesn't really leave the reader with the feeling you have an open mind. That being said, I probably wouldn't go out of my way to be nice, considerate, or welcoming with that attitude or mindset projected.
Here is your original post... Please read it and refresh your memory. Or will you be that type of Crab who decides to blame me for the feelings you felt and the things you said? if you do, then you'd just be typical and you're not typical are you OceanDeep?
U need to get laid...
Now go get some...
No, I'm not typical. That you are correct about 🙂
BUT, what I do mean is if someone directed what appears or can be perceived as complete dislike, or hate, towards a group of people, i.e. people born under the cardinal, crab sign (and quite a generalization into the whole populations as written in your original post) I would NOT be friendly, etc. I wouldn't go out of my way to be mean, but I certainly would not tolerate or listen to anyone direct their hate, anger, dislike, or otherwise to someone because of their 'type.' It would be no different to someone who's prejudice, racist, etc.
Me, myself? I don't care if people like me. I'm my own person, and I stick to with what I believe, keep an open mind, and accept a lot of things and people with who they are and for many reasons why they act, do, think, etc.
I hope that explains it better.
Posted by feb16aqua
I don't like chasing you!!!! 😢
Yes I know..
But u can't help it....
I know that too...
Hmmm...
I need guidance ?
There is me, myself and i.
Choose 1..
Not bad...
I am impressed...
I'll go 2 cancer boards now...
The battle has stop?
It was just getting interesting...
Posted by feb16aqua
awwww you were waiting for lil ole me?!?
No worries there...
I know u were following me...
U r after all addicted 2 me...
The Cancer posts on this thread remind me of this Saturday Night Live Skit:
"The Girl You Wish You Hadn't Started a Conversation with at a Party..."
Cancers are just ... annoying ! they cry over every effing thing. their emotions are just too much ! it's like , suck that shit up. .. im literally getting irritated thinking about most of the cancers i know.
also they're crazy . ... i think Cancers are more likely to turn into stalkers. they (in my opinion) are the definition of fatal attraction.
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I don't think we're having a discussion. What we have here is lack of communication. You want to be difficult, fine. Without my participation. I did want to hear from Cancers because I thought we could have a discussion of some kind. Clearly, that didn't turn out to be the case. What we had was one person doing their best to draw SOME kind of response from another person, and the person talking AROUND things instead of ABOUT them. Now I want to talk about literary theory and architecture with someone I enjoy talking to, so I'm leaving. All things considered, I do hope that you can find an intellectually stimulating interlocutor on this forum. Though, the only entity I can think of capable of satisfying your standards for debate is a robot. Done in this thread. I won't come back. Carry on.