Difference Between Stationary and Retrograde Planets? (were you born when a planet went stationary?)

Difference Between Stationary and Retrograde Planets?

"The slower the planet the more powerful it has the influence cause of the period which it stays on a certain degree. A retrograde planet is considered very intense in it’s influence, sometimes more powerfull than the direct planets, expecially inward. A stationary is much more intense than a retrograde planet, cause it stays longer in a certain degree, which generates more influence. When elective and mundane charts of disasters were done, I usually notice the acumulation of the energy is caused by stationary planets, when they start to go retrograde and direct.

If you're familiar with karma astrology it should not be a problem. A planet that's stationary direct means that in this life you will have a fast and intense lesson that is needed for your personal growth, to burn a karma and to reveal your inner potential. It’s fast because it’s accumulated suddenly and felt like a inner alchemy that will make you change and accept the challanges in life. A way to see when you finish the lesson is based on symbolical progressions ( also called karmical progressions ), 1 day for a year, check from your birth date how many days does it take to turn a planet from retrograde to direct and vice versa. The number of days turn them into years and you will see the period clearly.

A planet that's stationary retrograde means that in this life you will have have a lesson which takes longer to learn than the stationary direct. The stationary retrograde is a accumulation of karmical energy which you are needed to face, it’s slower to learn but at the end, if learned, brings lot’s of evolution and also shows your path in your life more clearly.



At certain times of the year due to the variations of orbital speed the planets viewed from earth appear to be moving backwards through the sky. This apparent movement of the planets is called retrograde motion and the planet is then said to be Retro.

A planet is Stationary when it appears to stop its movement so as to change the direction of its movement. This position of the planet is called by some astrologers a Planetary Station.

It is said that when a natal planet is Retrograde or Stationary its energy is more pronounced and more personal, focused more inwardly and hence more difficult to view that energy objectively.

The R next to Mars probably means it has stopped and will start its retrograde motion and the D next to your Jupiter, that it will change back to its direct motion.



Simply put, retrograde means going backwards, direct means moving ahead in its normal way and stationary means standing still. Retro planets at birth are often delayed in their effects and hard to access or handle. They are karmic placements and part of what needs to be handled, recognised and used positively this time around. Martin Schulman has a good book on retrograde planets and reincarnation".

This is explained in the video below by Joni Patry. I was born the day after Uranus went Stationary Retrograde in Capricorn and the exact day Neptune went Stationary. Only just also realised Saturn was also Stationary Retrograde as shown below:



To check this, you can just google "Ephemeris (insert year of birth)" and deduce from there.

Ref: http://www.insightfulpsychics.com/stationary-planet-retrograde-astrology/

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Another easier option to check whether your chart is Stationary Direct, Stationary Retrograde, Retrograde or Direct is when you create your chart on astrodienst, click the image below:



Then, this is what should open in a new tab. ''Sd'' represents stationary direct, ''Sr'' Stationary Retrograde, ''Rx'' Retrograde:

Hmm, Retrograde occurs 3 times until cycle completes. Interesting.. never knew that.

I have Saturn stationary retrograde. Feels like I don't have Saturn at all.

I am not really a patience guy with zero self-disciplined and don't like or believe in hard work.

How come?

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I have Saturn stationary retrograde. Feels like I don't have Saturn at all.

I am not really a patience guy with zero self-disciplined and don't like or believe in hard work.

How come?

There might be other reasons as to why in your chart. One aspect doesn't interprete someone's life. The whole chart has to be looked at as a whole

My stationary planets can be felt because:

1) They make up as a stellium with a personal planet - My Moon which I didn't mention

2) My Moon is conjunct Neptune (Neptune out of the 3 outer planets is the closest to my Moon)

3) All 3 also form a square to my Mercury which is another personal planet (Neptune again forming the tightest square)

4) Saturn is the 2nd most dominant planet and final dipositor in my chart, Capricorn is the highest ranked sign, Cardinal is the highest modality in my chart.

5) Uranus is out of bounds by declination in my chart (I've updated the first post as you can see circled in red)

... etc

So you can see yourself, there are so many other factors that can lead to this. The only gripe I have with the video I shared above is that she didn't mention personal planets, angles or nodes (might have to watch again to clarify). Maybe its different in Vedics since that's what she pratices.

I would expect generational/Outer planets not too active for everyone that has but mainly active if those stationary planets are affecting the personal planets, angles or nodes i mentioned to a high degree. Don't quote me on it, this is just my opinion.

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I have Saturn stationary retrograde. Feels like I don't have Saturn at all.

I am not really a patience guy with zero self-disciplined and don't like or believe in hard work.

How come?

There might be other reasons as to why in your chart. One aspect doesn't interprete someone's life. The whole chart has to be looked at as a whole

My stationary planets can be felt because:

1) They make up as a stellium with a personal planet - My Moon which I didn't mention

2) My Moon is conjunct Neptune (Neptune out of the 3 outer planets is the closest to my Moon)

3) All 3 also form a square to my Mercury which is another personal planet (Neptune again forming the tightest square)

4) Saturn is the 2nd most dominant planet and final dipositor in my chart, Capricorn is the highest ranked sign, Cardinal is the highest modality in my chart.

5) Uranus is out of bounds by declination in my chart (I've updated the first post as you can see circled in red)

... etc

So you can see yourself, there are so many other factors that can lead to this. The only gripe I have with the video I shared above is that she didn't mention personal planets, angles or nodes (might have to watch again to clarify). Maybe its different in Vedics since that's what she pratices.

I would expect generational/Outer planets not too active for everyone that has but mainly active if those stationary planets are affecting the personal planets, angles or nodes i mentioned to a high degree. Don't quote me on it, this is just my opinion.

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Yep, another astrologer just confirmed what I mentioned. Personal planets definitely trigger the stationary planets and also midpoints which I would have to look into as it can get complicated since i don't have an adequate software to show these triggers.

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Super helpful. Thank you! ❤️

A little off topic, but I am also learning about the phases of Venus and Mars and occultations. Still trying to find a quick and easy way to spot this in a chart without having to look it up. Know of any guides?

Hi Lush, you're welcome. I still have to locate ocultations the basic way by going to www.astro.com > extended chart selection > upper left corner "view the additional PDF charts" > declinations > planets at the same degree of North or South lattitude are in parallel aspect (planets having equal distance in declination on the same side of the equator: Sun 19 N, Uranus 19 N or Moon 15 S, Venus 15 S); planets that have the equal distance in declination on opposite sides (e.g. Sun is 19 N, Uranus 19 S) for conra-parallel aspect. The orb for this aspect is about 1-1.5 degree. They must also be conjunct each other in the natal chart, hence occultaion.

I only use this aspect for planets. I'm not sure if you wanted me to explain the process of how I find them but this is the only way I interprete it. The parallel signs as show below in the first picture are not conjunct in my natal chart unfortunately, so wouldn't consider them in occultation but Saturn - Neptune and Saturn - Uranus are in occultaion as shown in the 2nd picture :





There are softwares out there like Sirius and Solar Fire which do this quickly but I would invest in them if I were to become a professional astrologer as they are a bit on the pricey spectrum 🙂

As for Venus and Mars phases, I have no idea. I only have an App called Time Passages that tells me the phases of the Moon and free software called Planet Dance that shows the Venus Star point and Gaquelin and other important info I need (http://www.jcremers.com/?id=Planetdance&lan=en) but that's about it that I know of. The other softwares I mentioned above would definitely be able to do that especially Sirius software. I would be very surprised if it doesn't.

@AerialView Oh my gosh, was looking for who had Stationary motion for Pluto and finally found the people. Sure enough, it just had to be the bastards of the German Nazi, Josef Mengele and Reinhard Heydrich. Makes complete sense. Not your typical Pisceans eh:

Mengele:





His personal planets Sun, Mercury and Venus definitely triggers it. No wonder why he loved the control over those poor women. Kills me he got away



Heydrich:





Having his Sun trigger it

So you see, you need a personal planet to trigger those outer planets beyond saturn especially.

Hi @Shinzo i'm aware that you don't read chart anymore. But can you tell me a little about mine please?

Moon and Mercury square Stationary Saturn

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Hi @Shinzo i'm aware that you don't read chart anymore. But can you tell me a little about mine please?

Moon and Mercury square Stationary Saturn

Just google. I only answer questions when the knowledge comes to me easily. I'm too busy to research for anyone. So my answer is still a no unfortunately.

Posted by Lush
@Shinzo

Great explanation on occultations. I have read several articles and for some reason it never really connected for me, but now I see--the visuals really helped as well as you confirming the aspect is an orb of 1-1.5 degrees for occultations.

I think part of the confusion is that sometimes I'll read articles and then draw a chart on Astro.com only to find that the results are slightly skewed. I've come to realize that Astro.com's orbs are greater than other programs' aspect sets. Or greater than what most astrologers would agree what orbs are proper for an aspect.

As an example, Solar Fire's standard aspect set uses an orb of 4 degrees for a sextile, while Astro.com will use an orb that's greater than that...such as 4 degrees and 4 minutes. The same thing happened for stationary planets, when I draw a chart in Astro.com it will show planets that are marked as stationary and in Solar Fire it will not consider that same planet to be stationary until an hour or a day later. I will have to keep this in mind when I am reading articles.

I really appreciate it, thank you!

I completely agree. Regarding the orb, some astrologer say only 1 orb for declinations and occlutations but I allow up to 1.5 degrees, it really depends on you because I know I definitely feel it.

Another reason for the limitation to orbs is that many people say they feel an aspect but it could be due to something else in their chart entirely so we really need to be careful.

The orbs are DEFINITELY too wide on astro.com and I'm certain they know that as wel but you can always reduce the orb by 75% -80% in the option given under "additional objects" of the circular chart.



I still would rely on Solar Fire and Sirius though since they capture real-time data.

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@Shinzo

Great explanation on occultations. I have read several articles and for some reason it never really connected for me, but now I see--the visuals really helped as well as you confirming the aspect is an orb of 1-1.5 degrees for occultations.

I think part of the confusion is that sometimes I'll read articles and then draw a chart on Astro.com only to find that the results are slightly skewed. I've come to realize that Astro.com's orbs are greater than other programs' aspect sets. Or greater than what most astrologers would agree what orbs are proper for an aspect.

As an example, Solar Fire's standard aspect set uses an orb of 4 degrees for a sextile, while Astro.com will use an orb that's greater than that...such as 4 degrees and 4 minutes. The same thing happened for stationary planets, when I draw a chart in Astro.com it will show planets that are marked as stationary and in Solar Fire it will not consider that same planet to be stationary until an hour or a day later. I will have to keep this in mind when I am reading articles.

I really appreciate it, thank you!

I completely agree. Regarding the orb, some astrologer say only 1 orb for declinations and occlutations but I allow up to 1.5 degrees, it really depends on you because I know I definitely feel it.

Another reason for the limitation to orbs is that many people say they feel an aspect but it could be due to something else in their chart entirely so we really need to be careful.

The orbs are DEFINITELY too wide on astro.com and I'm certain they know that as wel but you can always reduce the orb by 75% -80% in the option given under "additional objects" of the circular chart.



I still would rely on Solar Fire and Sirius though since they capture real-time data.

Oh, thank you, thank you! I never noticed the orb adjustment on Astro.com. Thank you for pointing this out. 🙂

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You are very welcome. Always refreshing to find like minds on here and I learnt from you as well.

Need to go research on Venus / Mars phases since I don't know much about them 🙂

@Lush, I've just confirmed that the orb for declinations (i.e. parallels and contraparallels) is 1 degree orb or less. It cannot be more than that. This is from well versed astrologers that worked with Kt Boehrer. I'll PM you the group details if you wish to join as they are very selective regarding who joins the group and try to avoid spam

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@Shinzo

Hey what happens to the planet that is stationary direct?

I have mars and saturn in stationary direct.

I tried to search online but I couldn't find articles. Any information would be helpful.

I don't have written interpretations for stationary planets, hence the reason why I shared the video up there. Did you watch the video?

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@Shinzo

Hey what happens to the planet that is stationary direct?

I have mars and saturn in stationary direct.

I tried to search online but I couldn't find articles. Any information would be helpful.

I don't have written interpretations for stationary planets, hence the reason why I shared the video up there. Did you watch the video?

No.. I thought those were for stationary retrograde planets?

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Oh right, you're asking about Stationary direct. No I don't have interps for them.

@AerialView and @Astrology101 this site offers some insight to Stationary planets in general.

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_stations_e.htm

On Saturn:

Individuals born during Saturn stations are often notable for their tenacity and discipline, and can be "late bloomers" in their professional or emotional lives. There is sometimes an underlying heaviness to their personalities, as if they're bearing a heavy weight, but they can also reveal surprising depth.

Dick Cavett was born on November 19, 1936, the same day Saturn went direct in Pisces, while opposing Neptune in Virgo. Despite gaining acclaim both as a comedian and talk show host, Cavett confessed in later years to a lifelong struggle with depression.

TV commentator, social advocate, and former White House consultant Bill Moyers was born on June 5, 1934, during a double station of Saturn and Jupiter.

Actor Liam Neeson, whose stage persona one critic described as that of "somber gravitas," was born on June 7, 1952, exactly during a double station of both Saturn and Mars. It's perhaps fitting that Neeson gained his greatest box-office success as an aging action hero in his sixties, as the lead in the hugely successful Taken franchise!

Actress Gillian Anderson (agent Scully of The X-Files) was born on August 9, 1968, during a double station of skeptical Saturn and mystical Neptune.

Saturn can bring great success and achievement - but sometimes great falls from grace, too, as evidenced by these two examples: comedian Bill Cosby, was born on July 12, 1937 during a station of Saturn in Aries (the zodiacal sign associated with assertiveness and drive); and disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, who was born on September 18, 1971, just one day before Saturn turned retrograde in Gemini (the zodiacal sign associated with short-distance travel).

Mars Station

Individuals born during a Mars station can exhibit a sense of power or assertiveness in their personalities, and sometimes a quality of sexual magnetism. If stressfully aspected, there may be issues with anger or power struggles in their personal or professional lives.

Example given on site..

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@Lush, I've just confirmed that the orb for declinations (i.e. parallels and contraparallels) is 1 degree orb or less. It cannot be more than that. This is from well versed astrologers that worked with Kt Boehrer. I'll PM you the group details if you wish to join as they are very selective regarding who joins the group and try to avoid spam

@Shinzo

I am super honored to receive the invite, but I am not on Facebook. Thank you again for sharing information. I've really enjoyed reading your topics!

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You're very welcome @Lush.

Just to clarify and quote from the astrologer based on the first chart shared.

"For parallel aspects I use small orbs. The higher the declinations (*OOB Venus in this case) the smaller the orbs.

I would say: OOB Venus // OOB Uranus: no

Mercury // Pluto: yes

Saturn // Neptune: yes

Saturn // Uranus: not parallel but conjunct longitudinal aspects

Mars // MC: not parallel but conjunct longitudinal aspects"

*OOB - Out of Bounds in declination

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@AerialView and @Astrology101 this site offers some insight to Stationary planets in general.

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_stations_e.htm

On Saturn:

Individuals born during Saturn stations are often notable for their tenacity and discipline, and can be "late bloomers" in their professional or emotional lives. There is sometimes an underlying heaviness to their personalities, as if they're bearing a heavy weight, but they can also reveal surprising depth.

Dick Cavett was born on November 19, 1936, the same day Saturn went direct in Pisces, while opposing Neptune in Virgo. Despite gaining acclaim both as a comedian and talk show host, Cavett confessed in later years to a lifelong struggle with depression.

TV commentator, social advocate, and former White House consultant Bill Moyers was born on June 5, 1934, during a double station of Saturn and Jupiter.

Actor Liam Neeson, whose stage persona one critic described as that of "somber gravitas," was born on June 7, 1952, exactly during a double station of both Saturn and Mars. It's perhaps fitting that Neeson gained his greatest box-office success as an aging action hero in his sixties, as the lead in the hugely successful Taken franchise!

Actress Gillian Anderson (agent Scully of The X-Files) was born on August 9, 1968, during a double station of skeptical Saturn and mystical Neptune.

Saturn can bring great success and achievement - but sometimes great falls from grace, too, as evidenced by these two examples: comedian Bill Cosby, was born on July 12, 1937 during a station of Saturn in Aries (the zodiacal sign associated with assertiveness and drive); and disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, who was born on September 18, 1971, just one day before Saturn turned retrograde in Gemini (the zodiacal sign associated with short-distance travel).

Mars Station

Individuals born during a Mars station can exhibit a sense of power or assertiveness in their personalities, and sometimes a quality of sexual magnetism. If stressfully aspected, there may be issues with anger or power struggles in their personal or professional lives.

Example given on site..

Thank you so much.. 🙂

Just a quick question... So by station, I assume they mean stationary... and this includes both direct and retrograde? right?

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Correct 🙂. Like I said to AerialView earlier. I would look to see if Saturn is making any significant aspect in your chart for it to make an impact as it's an outer planet and not a personal planet like Mars.

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@AerialView and @Astrology101 this site offers some insight to Stationary planets in general.

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_stations_e.htm

On Saturn:

Individuals born during Saturn stations are often notable for their tenacity and discipline, and can be "late bloomers" in their professional or emotional lives. There is sometimes an underlying heaviness to their personalities, as if they're bearing a heavy weight, but they can also reveal surprising depth.

Dick Cavett was born on November 19, 1936, the same day Saturn went direct in Pisces, while opposing Neptune in Virgo. Despite gaining acclaim both as a comedian and talk show host, Cavett confessed in later years to a lifelong struggle with depression.

TV commentator, social advocate, and former White House consultant Bill Moyers was born on June 5, 1934, during a double station of Saturn and Jupiter.

Actor Liam Neeson, whose stage persona one critic described as that of "somber gravitas," was born on June 7, 1952, exactly during a double station of both Saturn and Mars. It's perhaps fitting that Neeson gained his greatest box-office success as an aging action hero in his sixties, as the lead in the hugely successful Taken franchise!

Actress Gillian Anderson (agent Scully of The X-Files) was born on August 9, 1968, during a double station of skeptical Saturn and mystical Neptune.

Saturn can bring great success and achievement - but sometimes great falls from grace, too, as evidenced by these two examples: comedian Bill Cosby, was born on July 12, 1937 during a station of Saturn in Aries (the zodiacal sign associated with assertiveness and drive); and disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, who was born on September 18, 1971, just one day before Saturn turned retrograde in Gemini (the zodiacal sign associated with short-distance travel).

Mars Station

Individuals born during a Mars station can exhibit a sense of power or assertiveness in their personalities, and sometimes a quality of sexual magnetism. If stressfully aspected, there may be issues with anger or power struggles in their personal or professional lives.

Example given on site..

Thank you so much.. 🙂

Just a quick question... So by station, I assume they mean stationary... and this includes both direct and retrograde? right?

Correct 🙂. Like I said to AerialView earlier. I would look to see if Saturn is making any significant aspect in your chart for it to make an impact as it's an outer planet and not a personal planet like Mars.

My Saturn is sitting in the 6th house (but in a different sign)... where my moon and pluto also sits (in a different sign)... moon and pluto are in conjunction or close .. but saturn is farther away... does that count as significant aspect?

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Personally, I only consider out of sign conjunctions when it involves the luminaries (Sun and Moon) in natal chart, so it is very possible that your Moon is also conjunct Saturn Sd. It would even be better if your Scorpio moon was ahead of I'm assuming Saturn in Libra. Therefore, better that Saturn was not going backwards (i.e Retrograding) but forward instead.

The orb distance I consider for out of sign conjunctions is 5 degrees maximum. Some astrologers go as far as 8 when for luminaries

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@AerialView and @Astrology101 this site offers some insight to Stationary planets in general.

http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_stations_e.htm

On Saturn:

Individuals born during Saturn stations are often notable for their tenacity and discipline, and can be "late bloomers" in their professional or emotional lives. There is sometimes an underlying heaviness to their personalities, as if they're bearing a heavy weight, but they can also reveal surprising depth.

Dick Cavett was born on November 19, 1936, the same day Saturn went direct in Pisces, while opposing Neptune in Virgo. Despite gaining acclaim both as a comedian and talk show host, Cavett confessed in later years to a lifelong struggle with depression.

TV commentator, social advocate, and former White House consultant Bill Moyers was born on June 5, 1934, during a double station of Saturn and Jupiter.

Actor Liam Neeson, whose stage persona one critic described as that of "somber gravitas," was born on June 7, 1952, exactly during a double station of both Saturn and Mars. It's perhaps fitting that Neeson gained his greatest box-office success as an aging action hero in his sixties, as the lead in the hugely successful Taken franchise!

Actress Gillian Anderson (agent Scully of The X-Files) was born on August 9, 1968, during a double station of skeptical Saturn and mystical Neptune.

Saturn can bring great success and achievement - but sometimes great falls from grace, too, as evidenced by these two examples: comedian Bill Cosby, was born on July 12, 1937 during a station of Saturn in Aries (the zodiacal sign associated with assertiveness and drive); and disgraced cyclist Lance Armstrong, who was born on September 18, 1971, just one day before Saturn turned retrograde in Gemini (the zodiacal sign associated with short-distance travel).

Mars Station

Individuals born during a Mars station can exhibit a sense of power or assertiveness in their personalities, and sometimes a quality of sexual magnetism. If stressfully aspected, there may be issues with anger or power struggles in their personal or professional lives.

Example given on site..

Thank you so much.. 🙂

Just a quick question... So by station, I assume they mean stationary... and this includes both direct and retrograde? right?

Correct 🙂. Like I said to AerialView earlier. I would look to see if Saturn is making any significant aspect in your chart for it to make an impact as it's an outer planet and not a personal planet like Mars.

My Saturn is sitting in the 6th house (but in a different sign)... where my moon and pluto also sits (in a different sign)... moon and pluto are in conjunction or close .. but saturn is farther away... does that count as significant aspect?

Personally, I only consider out of sign conjunctions when it involves the luminaries (Sun and Moon) in natal chart, so it is very possible that your Moon is also conjunct Saturn Sd. It would even be better if your Scorpio moon was ahead of I'm assuming Saturn in Libra. Therefore, better that Saturn was not going backwards (i.e Retrograding) but forward instead.

The orb distance I consider for out of sign conjunctions is 5 degrees maximum. Some astrologers go as far as 8 when I involves luminaries

moon and pluto are 15 and 4 respectively in Scorpio .. but saturn is farther away in Sagittarius in 3...

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I wouldn't consider them in aspect to Saturn Sd, too far. Only other significant aspect to Saturn Sd is if it is on an angle, square, trine or sextile to other planets or conjunct the nodes.

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@Lush, I've just confirmed that the orb for declinations (i.e. parallels and contraparallels) is 1 degree orb or less. It cannot be more than that. This is from well versed astrologers that worked with Kt Boehrer. I'll PM you the group details if you wish to join as they are very selective regarding who joins the group and try to avoid spam

@Shinzo

I am super honored to receive the invite, but I am not on Facebook. Thank you again for sharing information. I've really enjoyed reading your topics!

You're very welcome @Lush.

Just to clarify and quote from the astrologer based on the first chart shared.

"For parallel aspects I use small orbs. The higher the declinations (*OOB Venus in this case) the smaller the orbs.

I would say: OOB Venus // OOB Uranus: no

Mercury // Pluto: yes

Saturn // Neptune: yes

Saturn // Uranus: not parallel but conjunct longitudinal aspects

Mars // MC: not parallel but conjunct longitudinal aspects"

*OOB - Out of Bounds in declination

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Interpretations of parallel aspects by M. J. Makransky

Part 1 http://web.archive.org/web/20050213222959/http://www.considerations-mag.com/paralel1.html

Part 2 http://web.archive.org/web/20050213223345/http://www.considerations-mag.com/paralel2.html