Which sign is more prone to suffer from this?
Hedgehog Dilemma
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hedgehog% 27s_dilemma
This has been the question of my life.
And I assign it to
- Chiron in the 3rd
- Chiron square Mercury.
a little of Pisces Moon into the pot and you get the soup.
And I assign it to
- Chiron in the 3rd
- Chiron square Mercury.
a little of Pisces Moon into the pot and you get the soup.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveMy Chiron is in 3rd but trines my Mercury not square.
This has been the question of my life.
And I assign it to
- Chiron in the 3rd
- Chiron square Mercury.
a little of Pisces Moon into the pot and you get the soup.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveEven I think these two and also include Pisces.Posted by Capricorn91
Which sign is more prone to suffer from this?
Scorp? Cap?
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Posted by aquarius_manLibra is very social to have this. Can you support your argument?
libra
Also the first time I heard about this phenomenon was in Neon Genesis Evangelion (anime) and the protagonist had this. He was a Gemini and the mangaka is also a Gemini. But need opinions from Gems to confirm this.
scorp, libra
Posted by aquarius_manI guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.Posted by Capricorn91of course.Posted by aquarius_manLibra is very social to have this. Can you support your argument?
libra
come winter holidays, the single librs will feel very lonely. would rather spend the holidays with a bloke they dislike rather than be alone &lonely during those emotional days.click to expand
Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.click to expand
Posted by aquarius_manI do. Below is from wiki.Posted by Capricorn91I am pretty sure you don't know what the Hedgehog Dilemma is. Find out that:
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=hedgehog% 27s% 20dilemmaclick to expand
The hedgehog's dilemma, or sometimes the porcupine dilemma, is a metaphor about the challenges of human intimacy. It describes a situation in which a group of hedgehogs seek to move close to one another to share heat during cold weather. They must remain apart, however, as they cannot avoid hurting one another with their sharp spines. Though they all share the intention of a close reciprocal relationship, this may not occur, for reasons they cannot avoid.
I agree that the Dilemma means you suffer from difficult times to make use of your freedom of choice.
The parabel itself is aware that, at the end of the day, the porcupines find the optimal distance by trying it step by step. (I don't know, I just get it from these wiki pages🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hedgehog% 27s_dilemma
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Stachelschweine_(Parabel)
"eine Gruppe Stachelschweine ... verändern sie ihren Abstand, bis sie die erträglichste Entfernung gefunden haben."
Even if the porcupines weren't able to find the optimal distance, we could distinguish between "dilemma" and "phenomena".
The parabel itself is aware that, at the end of the day, the porcupines find the optimal distance by trying it step by step. (I don't know, I just get it from these wiki pages🙂
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Hedgehog% 27s_dilemma
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Stachelschweine_(Parabel)
"eine Gruppe Stachelschweine ... verändern sie ihren Abstand, bis sie die erträglichste Entfernung gefunden haben."
Even if the porcupines weren't able to find the optimal distance, we could distinguish between "dilemma" and "phenomena".
Posted by AerialViewPosted by DwellingOnMoveMy Chiron is in 3rd but trines my Mercury not square.
This has been the question of my life.
And I assign it to
- Chiron in the 3rd
- Chiron square Mercury.
a little of Pisces Moon into the pot and you get the soup.click to expand
ok, but how easy or difficult is it for you to establish a new intimate connection? Do you have to think a lot about it? Is it often shadowed by pain or disappointment? Do you have to come close to your loved ones in several little steps?
reading material:
"Best-selling author Elizabeth Gilbert relays the fable – a beautiful metaphor for how we choose to go through life and on how we approach others, in our quest to keep the intricate balance between the necessary self-protection and the vulnerability that is needed for the warming effect of true intimacy.
[…] We are, all of us, like porcupines who are out on a cold winter’s night. They get cold and they need to huddle together for warmth. They crave connection and they crave warmth, so they come together and then they prick each other (laughs) because they have these horrible spines. And it’s painful and so in order to avoid the pain, they retreat and then they get cold, and so they come together and then they get spined (laughs), so they retreat. And they get cold, and they come together. And this dance of intimacy is what defines our relationships with everybody that we encounter. There is this need to be close that’s followed by this need to be separated in order to protect ourselves from the inevitable hurt that happens when you get too close.
And Schopenhauer didn’t have much of a remedy for that. He didn’t think that that was ever really going to end. He sort of saw that as innate to our human nature. What he suggested was that that those who have learned how to generate their own warmth were able to keep the safest distance from the other porcupines (laughs), which didn’t necessarily mean living a life of isolation. It just meant not impelling yourself on other people so that you could have that critical little space in which to be a little bit self-contained to create your own warmth, your own sense of your own humanity so that you could be close without being stabbed. The path to that is closest secret to happiness as anything I have ever learned,
concludes Gilbert."
"Best-selling author Elizabeth Gilbert relays the fable – a beautiful metaphor for how we choose to go through life and on how we approach others, in our quest to keep the intricate balance between the necessary self-protection and the vulnerability that is needed for the warming effect of true intimacy.
[…] We are, all of us, like porcupines who are out on a cold winter’s night. They get cold and they need to huddle together for warmth. They crave connection and they crave warmth, so they come together and then they prick each other (laughs) because they have these horrible spines. And it’s painful and so in order to avoid the pain, they retreat and then they get cold, and so they come together and then they get spined (laughs), so they retreat. And they get cold, and they come together. And this dance of intimacy is what defines our relationships with everybody that we encounter. There is this need to be close that’s followed by this need to be separated in order to protect ourselves from the inevitable hurt that happens when you get too close.
And Schopenhauer didn’t have much of a remedy for that. He didn’t think that that was ever really going to end. He sort of saw that as innate to our human nature. What he suggested was that that those who have learned how to generate their own warmth were able to keep the safest distance from the other porcupines (laughs), which didn’t necessarily mean living a life of isolation. It just meant not impelling yourself on other people so that you could have that critical little space in which to be a little bit self-contained to create your own warmth, your own sense of your own humanity so that you could be close without being stabbed. The path to that is closest secret to happiness as anything I have ever learned,
concludes Gilbert."
Posted by Capricorn91No way!
Also the first time I heard about this phenomenon was in Neon Genesis Evangelion (anime) and the protagonist had this. He was a Gemini and the mangaka is also a Gemini. But need opinions from Gems to confirm this.
Posted by Capricorn91Definitely NOT Scorp!!!Posted by aquarius_manI guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.Posted by Capricorn91of course.Posted by aquarius_manLibra is very social to have this. Can you support your argument?
libra
come winter holidays, the single librs will feel very lonely. would rather spend the holidays with a bloke they dislike rather than be alone &lonely during those emotional days.click to expand
Schopenhauer himself was an Eremit, I just read.
He had Virgo Moon, Jupiter in 12th, Pisces Stelium in the 10th.
Moon opposite Mercury.
With Pluto in 9 he gave a parable for life (in face of death threat) based on other people's resources and why you need the ethics rather than manipulation or self-sufficiency.
He had Virgo Moon, Jupiter in 12th, Pisces Stelium in the 10th.
Moon opposite Mercury.
With Pluto in 9 he gave a parable for life (in face of death threat) based on other people's resources and why you need the ethics rather than manipulation or self-sufficiency.
Posted by WomanInBlack
Pisces and Capricorn.
I have to agree with Pisces (not in my first guess) cause Schopenhauer himself was a Pisces Stellium.
But I thought Piscean Porcupine would make use of self-deception or drugs. When stereotypes fail to explain everything.......
Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.click to expand
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
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Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
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The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why thoclick to expand
Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why thoclick to expand
You compared Sag and Cap. Maybe a Sag moves on from one person and tries it with another person. But Cap does this too. But with the same person. So you go steady small steps. Do you want to say in those moments between one trial and the next, you do not suffer from the thoughts whether it was real or finished&failed?
PS: also I have danced this dance with a special Scorp. with little awards. cause even if he is interested, it's no help cause he is scary movie.
Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why thoclick to expand
We only make it look like we move on so easy. You have no idea how my heart was tearing up many times cause of what some people did to me, yet I remained cool, put on a good poker face and pretend to be I'm doing just fine. We want a dose of affection and space if you get what I mean. People don't leave cause of a lot of affection trust me. They leave cause of other things that didn't go well.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveWhat's your sign?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
You compared Sag and Cap. Maybe a Sag moves on from one person and tries it with another person. But Cap does this too. But with the same person. So you go steady small steps. Do you want to say in those moments between one trial and the next, you do not suffer from the thoughts whether it was real or finished&failed?
PS: also I have danced this dance with a special Scorp. with little awards. cause even if he is interested, it's no help cause he is scary movie.click to expand
Oh from one trial to another. We know it is real otherwise we do not move to the next step. You see if we are taking it slow we are building it brick by brick so that it lasts long. We like strong foundations.
Posted by Capricorn91Posted by DwellingOnMoveWhat's your sign?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
You compared Sag and Cap. Maybe a Sag moves on from one person and tries it with another person. But Cap does this too. But with the same person. So you go steady small steps. Do you want to say in those moments between one trial and the next, you do not suffer from the thoughts whether it was real or finished&failed?
PS: also I have danced this dance with a special Scorp. with little awards. cause even if he is interested, it's no help cause he is scary movie.
Oh from one trial to another. We know it is real otherwise we do not move to the next step. You see if we are taking it slow we are building it brick by brick so that it lasts long. We like strong foundations.click to expand
You send mixed messages to people btw. I was so sure guy is into me 100% then he starts backing away, wtf? I don't mind slow steps actually but be clear with your intentions or we get confused and start thinking you don't want us in your life at all...just saying. It's a good discussion actually to get to know each other better btw cause we all have doubts about people we like and think how they are
Posted by MalakYes I know. Everyone likes affection and some space to live their own life. And yes people don't leave because of affection rather people like affection as stated in the Dilemma. It is just that we are not that good socially and it is not easy for us to get closer. We need to make a lot of effort to get near someone which seems effortless to many people. And if somehow we do get close and it doesn't work out we feel bad as it took a lot of effort from us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
We only make it look like we move on so easy. You have no idea how my heart was tearing up many times cause of what some people did to me, yet I remained cool, put on a good poker face and pretend to be I'm doing just fine. We want a dose of affection and space if you get what I mean. People don't leave cause of a lot of affection trust me. They leave cause of other things that didn't go well.
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Posted by MalakI didn't do anything ma'am. JK. That's our nature. You need to be patient. We do come back. And if we are into you you will know but first we need to be sure in our heart and mind and that takes a lot of time.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by DwellingOnMoveWhat's your sign?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
You compared Sag and Cap. Maybe a Sag moves on from one person and tries it with another person. But Cap does this too. But with the same person. So you go steady small steps. Do you want to say in those moments between one trial and the next, you do not suffer from the thoughts whether it was real or finished&failed?
PS: also I have danced this dance with a special Scorp. with little awards. cause even if he is interested, it's no help cause he is scary movie.
Oh from one trial to another. We know it is real otherwise we do not move to the next step. You see if we are taking it slow we are building it brick by brick so that it lasts long. We like strong foundations.
You send mixed messages to people btw. I was so sure guy is into me 100% then he starts backing away, wtf? I don't mind slow steps actually but be clear with your intentions or we get confused and start thinking you don't want us in your life at all...just saying. It's a good discussion actually to get to know each other better btw cause we all have doubts about people we like and think how they are
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Posted by Capricorn91Look, I don't know what kind of people you had in your life and what kind of patience they had. I can speak for myself and my own experience only. I'm busting my ass of trying to be good to this guy, trying to prove him he can rely on me in any way and I wouldn't be doing that if I didn't mean it. He's just closed shell, won't let go of his icy walls no matter what. That only tells me he doesn't care for me enough. That's what I'm trying to tell you. People may see it completely different from what it is and unfortunately it often happens for you people. But if you see someone is really trying to be there for you, think you should let them and appreciate it. Ofc that is if you like those people in the first place. You can work out well btw with more social signs to get you more relaxed and extroverted if you get their attention that is. But not everyone is superficial even when they may appear so.Again going back to my example, I get this guy so much he has no clue how much actually. He says exact things that I think he means, I can predict his reaction in just about anything yet we haven't even met in person yet! Yet I'm pretty sure he gets a superficial vibe from me. How would you explain this?Posted by MalakYes I know. Everyone likes affection and some space to live their own life. And yes people don't leave because of affection rather people like affection as stated in the Dilemma. It is just that we are not that good socially and it is not easy for us to get closer. We need to make a lot of effort to get near someone which seems effortless to many people. And if somehow we do get close and it doesn't work out we feel bad as it took a lot of effort from us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
We only make it look like we move on so easy. You have no idea how my heart was tearing up many times cause of what some people did to me, yet I remained cool, put on a good poker face and pretend to be I'm doing just fine. We want a dose of affection and space if you get what I mean. People don't leave cause of a lot of affection trust me. They leave cause of other things that didn't go well.
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I just care for him and try to understand him on deeper level...plus my natural intuition to that and that's a result
Posted by Capricorn91Posted by DwellingOnMoveWhat's your sign?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
You compared Sag and Cap. Maybe a Sag moves on from one person and tries it with another person. But Cap does this too. But with the same person. So you go steady small steps. Do you want to say in those moments between one trial and the next, you do not suffer from the thoughts whether it was real or finished&failed?
PS: also I have danced this dance with a special Scorp. with little awards. cause even if he is interested, it's no help cause he is scary movie.
Oh from one trial to another. We know it is real otherwise we do not move to the next step. You see if we are taking it slow we are building it brick by brick so that it lasts long. We like strong foundations.click to expand
I know. My focus was on the behavior of porcupine group. Do you feel pain and disappointments in between your steps (with the same person who gives the impression to be a good candidate)?
Posted by MalakWhat? You haven't met in real till now? See I would be very frank, we need physical presence to build connections, after the initial trust is built then LDR is fine but not in the initial phases. And also you are going way too fast. Be patient, a tree will grow in its own time not when you want it to. We get it you are giving your everything but still nature takes it's own time it won't happen in a night.Posted by Capricorn91Look, I don't know what kind of people you had in your life and what kind of patience they had. I can speak for myself and my own experience only. I'm busting my ass of trying to be good to this guy, trying to prove him he can rely on me in any way and I wouldn't be doing that if I didn't mean it. He's just closed shell, won't let go of his icy walls no matter what. That only tells me he doesn't care for me enough. That's what I'm trying to tell you. People may see it completely different from what it is and unfortunately it often happens for you people. But if you see someone is really trying to be there for you, think you should let them and appreciate it. Ofc that is if you like those people in the first place. You can work out well btw with more social signs to get you more relaxed and extroverted if you get their attention that is. But not everyone is superficial even when they may appear so.Again going back to my example, I get this guy so much he has no clue how much actually. He says exact things that I think he means, I can predict his reaction in just about anything yet we haven't even met in person yet! Yet I'm pretty sure he gets a superficial vibe from me. How would you explain this?Posted by MalakYes I know. Everyone likes affection and some space to live their own life. And yes people don't leave because of affection rather people like affection as stated in the Dilemma. It is just that we are not that good socially and it is not easy for us to get closer. We need to make a lot of effort to get near someone which seems effortless to many people. And if somehow we do get close and it doesn't work out we feel bad as it took a lot of effort from us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
We only make it look like we move on so easy. You have no idea how my heart was tearing up many times cause of what some people did to me, yet I remained cool, put on a good poker face and pretend to be I'm doing just fine. We want a dose of affection and space if you get what I mean. People don't leave cause of a lot of affection trust me. They leave cause of other things that didn't go well.
I just care for him and try to understand him on deeper level...plus my natural intuition to that and that's a resultclick to expand
Posted by DwellingOnMoveOh yes. Pain and disappointments are always there. Sometimes things don't go as we want them to go. But sometimes unexpectedly things turn out to be good also. So it's all part of the process. As long as the end result is good we are ok.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by DwellingOnMoveWhat's your sign?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
You compared Sag and Cap. Maybe a Sag moves on from one person and tries it with another person. But Cap does this too. But with the same person. So you go steady small steps. Do you want to say in those moments between one trial and the next, you do not suffer from the thoughts whether it was real or finished&failed?
PS: also I have danced this dance with a special Scorp. with little awards. cause even if he is interested, it's no help cause he is scary movie.
Oh from one trial to another. We know it is real otherwise we do not move to the next step. You see if we are taking it slow we are building it brick by brick so that it lasts long. We like strong foundations.
I know. My focus was on the behavior of porcupine group. Do you feel pain and disappointments in between your steps (with the same person who gives the impression to be a good candidate)?click to expand
Posted by Jayc3on
Scorpio & Aries
Come on man. An Aries only taught me to how to build connections with my team in office. It is so easy for them to be so open. I struggle where they excel.
Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWhat? You haven't met in real till now? See I would be very frank, we need physical presence to build connections, after the initial trust is built then LDR is fine but not in the initial phases. And also you are going way too fast. Be patient, a tree will grow in its own time not when you want it to. We get it you are giving your everything but still nature takes it's own time it won't happen in a night.Posted by Capricorn91Look, I don't know what kind of people you had in your life and what kind of patience they had. I can speak for myself and my own experience only. I'm busting my ass of trying to be good to this guy, trying to prove him he can rely on me in any way and I wouldn't be doing that if I didn't mean it. He's just closed shell, won't let go of his icy walls no matter what. That only tells me he doesn't care for me enough. That's what I'm trying to tell you. People may see it completely different from what it is and unfortunately it often happens for you people. But if you see someone is really trying to be there for you, think you should let them and appreciate it. Ofc that is if you like those people in the first place. You can work out well btw with more social signs to get you more relaxed and extroverted if you get their attention that is. But not everyone is superficial even when they may appear so.Again going back to my example, I get this guy so much he has no clue how much actually. He says exact things that I think he means, I can predict his reaction in just about anything yet we haven't even met in person yet! Yet I'm pretty sure he gets a superficial vibe from me. How would you explain this?Posted by MalakYes I know. Everyone likes affection and some space to live their own life. And yes people don't leave because of affection rather people like affection as stated in the Dilemma. It is just that we are not that good socially and it is not easy for us to get closer. We need to make a lot of effort to get near someone which seems effortless to many people. And if somehow we do get close and it doesn't work out we feel bad as it took a lot of effort from us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakWell I agree there should be space but sometimes intimacy is lost in the space and to feel that intimacy people try to get close and then hurt each other. It is so easy for a Sag to move on right? Being the eternal optimist. Well it is not so easy for us Caps to build relationships. And getting close is totally something else. We are always all or nothing. When we give space people have a problem with that and want more affection. And when we give they leave. First try to put yourself in our shoes if you want to understand us.Posted by Capricorn91Posted by MalakCare to explain?Posted by Capricorn91Posted by aquarius_manIndeed but most people don't get close as they want to avoid the hurt part. They don't want the guilt of hurting someone else and also don't want to get hurt.Posted by Capricorn91actually, i do get the hedgehog's dilemma. and its not like you explain it. it deals with human intimacy, indeed, but it translates into: should i get close to him/her , even though i know we can hurt each other? its not about staying away, sorry. it's about unlikely but working partnership, as i see it. its also about MUTUALITY.
I guess you didn't understand the Hedgehog Dilemma. It is not able to get close to someone as you feel you will hurt them if you do. So you stay away even though you want to be close to them.
How funny...just heard similar words from a Cap guy. But i don't think this dilemma is about what you think really
The way I see theory? It says more likely that people should leave some space in between. Not that they have to be apart or not feel close but have some personal space too in order to have a healthy relationship. And it's true. Personally I had relationship with no space in between and it got overwhelming and needing to escape which ofc lead to hurting from one or both sides. I see it more from that point then from being afraid of being close. But it's a fact you Caps have that fear idk why tho
We only make it look like we move on so easy. You have no idea how my heart was tearing up many times cause of what some people did to me, yet I remained cool, put on a good poker face and pretend to be I'm doing just fine. We want a dose of affection and space if you get what I mean. People don't leave cause of a lot of affection trust me. They leave cause of other things that didn't go well.
I just care for him and try to understand him on deeper level...plus my natural intuition to that and that's a resultclick to expand
Exactly, so do I. Problem is we can't get physical presence so easy case we're way too far away for that. Talking about different continents...anyway I don't find that as an obstacle. Wouldn't have a problem flying over to meet or him to come here but none has really made true effort to make this happen. And since he's been weird recently and started distancing I believe it won't even happen. But as stubborn Sag as I am I know myself I won't rest until I go there, even if I don't see him lol
Well maybe I am fast, I find months of talking to someone enough time, I accept a fact it might not be same for someone else tho.
Posted by DwellingOnMoveNo. Never had problem with that.Posted by AerialViewPosted by DwellingOnMoveMy Chiron is in 3rd but trines my Mercury not square.
This has been the question of my life.
And I assign it to
- Chiron in the 3rd
- Chiron square Mercury.
a little of Pisces Moon into the pot and you get the soup.
ok, but how easy or difficult is it for you to establish a new intimate connection? Do you have to think a lot about it? Is it often shadowed by pain or disappointment? Do you have to come close to your loved ones in several little steps?click to expand
I don't think Chiron got anything to do with it.
Scorpio Pisces
Taurus Virgo
Leo sag
Aqua and Gemini
Basically fixed-mutable
Only bc yeah they can be great but especially w/ the first pairing, both signs can suffocate each other bc the relationship seems so perfect and it becomes too much. Too much of too good becomes toxic
Or the opposite signs
Taurus Virgo
Leo sag
Aqua and Gemini
Basically fixed-mutable
Only bc yeah they can be great but especially w/ the first pairing, both signs can suffocate each other bc the relationship seems so perfect and it becomes too much. Too much of too good becomes toxic
Or the opposite signs
Posted by SunsetvirgoYou meant this as good matches? Sag with Leo? I'll pass on that, no thanks lol too much of laziness and self loving from Leo isn't very attractive at all to me. I'll go with earth people 😎
Scorpio Pisces
Taurus Virgo
Leo sag
Aqua and Gemini
Basically fixed-mutable
Only bc yeah they can be great but especially w/ the first pairing, both signs can suffocate each other bc the relationship seems so perfect and it becomes too much. Too much of too good becomes toxic
Or the opposite signs
Boring sometimes, but if they let me bring the fun to the table we'll have great time together 😎
Posted by MalakThey can be good matches as any other match can be but bc they’re trine they’re supposed to be more favorable. But as I said if it’s too good to be true it may become suffocating and toxic quick especially w/ the first pair.Posted by SunsetvirgoYou meant this as good matches? Sag with Leo? I'll pass on that, no thanks lol too much of laziness and self loving from Leo isn't very attractive at all to me. I'll go with earth people 😎
Scorpio Pisces
Taurus Virgo
Leo sag
Aqua and Gemini
Basically fixed-mutable
Only bc yeah they can be great but especially w/ the first pairing, both signs can suffocate each other bc the relationship seems so perfect and it becomes too much. Too much of too good becomes toxic
Or the opposite signs
Boring sometimes, but if they let me bring the fun to the table we'll have great time together 😎click to expand
Which earth sign is ur fav ?
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